A not really that we meet with global newsmakers the stories that matter just 0. 5 i mean ok and your in the stream can you name 5 Women Artists most people caught but museums around the world are working to change that you can share your thoughts on why Representation Matters and i live chat on twitter. Female artists remain dramatically underrepresented and undervalued in the art industry a new social Media Campaign supported by 1500 museums around the world is drawing attention to the inequality by promoting the stories of work of female artists women make up hall of all visual artists today but only a fraction of their work is represented in major Museum Collections women of color are often found even worse an artwork by women sells for 40 percent less than the work of their male counterparts on the representation of women in art can translate into some very real wealth consequences the gorilla girls Anonymous Group of artists who fight sexism and racism in the art world explain why. Burdens record of culture earth is that the culture is told only through the works merrills thats basically what it is this period patriarchy. I feel i need a little bit regulation there why those 2 girl is talking to the idea of the girly girls is that its not about the personalities its about the puppets and the movement so it shouldnt be about one individual artist it should be about changing the way that we think about women in ought having said that joining us in our studio to discuss women in art but dont let the founding director of gallery tease in baltimore maryland also with us item alina a contemporary artist and the talk of her idea is based in ethiopia that she joins us today from ivory coast and finally we hash Adriana Bouvier she was the curator of the acclaimed a basque way at exhibition at the guggenheim and joins us from the. This idea of challenging the public to name 5 Women Artists ida what do you make of that. I mean i think its a great challenge and i can say honestly that a lot of the times what i have seen is that most people dont know these artists because its not in their Education System so if we are to start a foundation you know we have to look back at how we are educated you know in early ages about art you know and who was part of that conversation so if you can imagine. Being an african woman is even more challenging to be in the mainstream and also the fact that there is barely any content i know that when i went to school in canada and also in the u. S. Theres barely any content relating to Women Artists or even orders from the continent change it is something wrong with the education the way that were taught about art is that level fail in terms of not just reading off tons of Women Artists names know that. Well i think thats the beginning of failure in a 3rd but i think that the. You know but there are also a lot of opportunities to stop actually its what you do as a curator or an art writer i mean you have a responsibility to do that and so i think you know curatorial its always more its very fascinating to me that when we talk about the absence of women. Or the lack of visibility for women that we dont talk about the fact that a lot of curatorial staff. Are women and were and women are collecting each other you know in those spaces theyre not exhibiting each other theyre not deciding to do scholarship Women Artists so its a so that to me is also a conversation about how women value each other way is that institutionalizes sexism. How would you just have so many women all in charge of curation galleries and then not putting women so the public to see how do you explain whats going on the well i think you know historically there has been a defacto system of discrimination in major institutions when we look at the laws from the early from the late 20th century that poor benighted institutions to designate funds for the acquisition of black art and also to recognize and to exhibit artists of color and so we still have a culture within many institutions that still adhered to that they deemed the work of black artists a poor derivative derivative of european art and so that culture still exist and were still combating that today i want to share with our audience who are watching and will see and this is from the National Women in the us who started this. Campaign she explained school here. Since the start of the campaign over 1500 cultural institutions museums galleries all over the world have joined our call and participated using the hash tag 5 Women Artists and you know historically women have been under represented in the gallery in Museum Exhibitions and while theres been progress over the years this inequity continues to this day and the 5 women Artist Campaign is a means to challenge those organizations and cultural institutions to confront those inequities and create a future with gender parity in the arts. I want to show you that piece of piece about behind its called acid rain from 2001 and we just scroll down what you see. Just scroll down this is the artist click on here and you can see. So we can bring a bigger platform to women. But theres also a question about money theres a gender gap if you. Tell me i mean you know anybody can look up this Information Online but its quite surprising that you know were in a 200000000000 dollar industry and those women we only have 2 percent of that market so there is a disparity within that and unfortunately you know its not only in the art world but its across the board you know different professions but for me one thing that ive noticed is that even the opportunities are quite limited and you have to remember i started as a photojournalist which is a very male dominated industry and transitioning into the art world i realize that its also the same challenge that we face to sort of you know validate ourselves and also to show that you know the work and the voice that we have is relevant within the art market to knowing theres a knowing knowledge in the smile that rueful smile about when i mentioned money lets go tell us tell us about the discrepancy. You know its. Like the chicken and the egg and sort of the artist that i. Think you hearing are you know emblematic of the market in. Explicit ways. And its you know i tend to think of. The money its a multipronged issue but its sort of from my Vantage Point as a curator. Of impacts. And shows impact that so if women are not getting show and theyre not getting critic. And this intellectual work out that bridges their work and our historical way in the canon or however contesting the canon it does affect the value. S. K. Who knew we were doing this show on twitter says diversity is the answer the Decision Makers must be inclusive curious and visionary plus acquire a better understanding of your visitors and cater to all sections of society wow this would be amazing the teases this possible oh it is possible but there has to be a commitment i mean we have a movement but once the month is over the month of march what commitment will those institutions make to acquire the works of those women how many of the women of the 5 that theyre asking people to nominate are actually in their Permanent Collections so there has been this systemic problem denying women access to institutions that truly impact their careers and the value of their work in the marketplace this just look at some figures because sometimes the data when you just look at the overall think is that really is a wakeup call so lets look at the difference between the most highest paid piece of art that was by a woman artist compared to a male artists and then weve got them living and also ones who have passed and you can see that big difference there as we are sharing with you i want to actually show you that piece of art that jenny savile actually got over 12 over 12000000 and its this piece of art here so that we actually then can put ought to. Where is the money in the industry coming full. It comes from vinnie sources we have major collectors who will commit funds to buy i mean they really are the ones that influence the market and the direction in which it goes i mean now. Black art is whats trendy there is a realignment of art in terms of historical acquisitions museums now committing themselves have been recognize that there is an equity in their collections that they have failed to support the works of black artists and so you know black art is now the trend. I say feeling trendy. I mean this is always my concern when it comes to art from africa because all of a sudden you know we were discovered but weve been creating our own time. So for me its really for the market coming out of the continent you know this is what concerns me is that we have to develop our institutions imagine you know if you look at how many kurds we have our critics we have how many publications do we have that is really addressing the art from the cop on tonight you know and theres always this thing of this fad and so forth but i believe that you know for me personally i want to exhibit not because im african or if youre open to what ive read i want to err on the brink of my work thats my 1st priority but at the same time also you know even when you go to our biodiesel you know the rep presentation is quite off you know even in the states its quite often so this is really something that has to be pushed forward and i honestly think that you know generation of especially having Online Access and having social media and software that has given africa an opportunity to really push the forefront thats where you see a lot of art coming out of the continent that you know people werent aware of before and all of a sudden collectors are bored with like european art or american are so now theyre focusing on the continent because they feel like thats the new it but to me were here to stay its not just being the fad were still going to continue producing work regardless of what the market trend is but the key thing to me is how do we educate our own people to also collect because there is money in africa but the governments dont support us you know the people have no idea of what theyre collecting so its all different as when you talk about presentation when you talk contemporary. That is a really good point how do you educate people of color. People who are not who dont think its successful to them that they dont think its part of having to collect and to invest in not how do you. Well i think thats in part part of the role of the curator and i dos points were so well taken i mean mark trends come and go so how do we help our people understand the importance of preserving our culture. Committing money to supporting our artist so that it isnt all lost to people who are buying it as trophy pieces we really dont understand the cultural significance and importance of it so i want you to humble quite a little bit you have a number of us to your name one of those 1st im just going to pause on and tell a little bit of a story but tell our audience how many 1st you have in terms of things that you have done in the chief north korea go ahead keep it short. There or. First are you carry and how much show at the guggenheim im the 1st black woman and the 1st curator of cuban descent and the 1st. Cattle are in their 80 year history so that sets up nicely something that we found on twitter that pretty much went fire so he we got it went down at the guggenheim. Here the 1st to exhibit with the institution with a show at the face with the untold story there was a panel yes ive owned up tunnel but you went to the panel anyway and i did this ok. Before the you know started i just wanted to address the elephant in the room. Im the curator of the foster show that upstairs and 2 of the contributors from my catalog are on stage and the black woman whos been hired as the 1st black curator at the guggenheim is higher full time is on the stage as well and so we were talking about this so if this goes on for some time i will share that link so that people can can actually watch that that was drama that was epic how was it possible that the q. Rate. Of the collection was not on the pound why did that happen. All i think its really simple i think that you know a person implication. Of the value system. I think its not normal you know it i think it did go viral because. You know the curators consider the intellectual sort of spiritual steward of a show and 2 and in mind there was no public programming for the show so for the one institutional effort to can intellectually can texture a lot of the show you leave the person the steward of that show youre making a statement that you dont value diversity you dont value black curators those and those efforts or even what your history has meant and those a gesture like that is meant to say that that you are not welcome in this space i hear conversation i hear the context within which you have this conversation but there will be many people who disagree with you in terms of this is to stand alone so for that im going to go to the ingram who has a show. And when she heard that theres a Baltimore Museum that is only going to kill rate womens art this was her reaction lets have a look everyones 1st to me just judged on their own merits value make their own choices and now youre actually having your worth determined by the sex that you were born with how does that make any one the right thing to do is to look at its own and let people judge what is worthy or not worthy for inclusion based on how it looks and what audience who can draw. Most teens that just makes them crazy. Because its. Its wonderful to hear white people make that testimony to someone who has never walked in black skin and would be panacea if that were the way in which museums operated but it clearly isnt there has been racism and sexism in these institutions that have denied equality equal access to them and its if we were included based on the merit of the work of the cultural and historic importance of it that conversation would not have taken place but there is not equity there has not been diversity there has not been inclusion and so for them to make those statements im not surprised because i deal with people like that people who think that way and believe. That we are blinded to the they are discriminatory practices and somehow we are supposed to look to them and whatever crumbs they throw to us we should be very happy to receive but we are talking about for equality which we deserve and they are still denying complete access to these institutions what i think laura ingram statements are actually in some way quite refreshing in the sense that shes being very honest about. Just about what she believes and and to the earlier point that i made you know these are white women in these museums meeting these decision like of course men sit at the power at white men sit at the top of the pyramid scheme of power but there are white women like laura who basically say the same thing in different ways but based. The same thing which is why. In 2020 were still having conversations with the visual dynamic of women and chief curator or women deputy directors of museums or women or curatorial staff that are 85 percent women and women and women of color are the most represented aspect of their Permanent Collection its because of statement because there are a lot of white women in museums that believe that. You know what is interesting is that shes an anchor woman who im sure in the history of news she is standing on the shoulders of those before her believe had to fight through news to get to that position so its kind of ironic to me as shes making that statement because at the end you know regardless of your color the challenge is intense but as you know to me you know sometimes i feel like it is women also the drag us down you know i mean and this is why i think you know that more women need to be supportive as well and to understand especially i dont know for me in my position as an artist you know there are many challenges that i have to encounter but at the same time what i see is that you know Everybody Needs to be educated especially when you look at the American Market which a lot of the times and you know i had to keep talking about africa but i always find that in the states its very clueless whats happening in the continent you know so there are many layers to this and there are these statements and granted yes shes entitled to her opinion but she has to remember also where she started and where she came from and im sure she had challenges as a woman so if she was an artist should be facing you know the same challenges of true which she has encountered so its this kind of information for me its always especially in mass media this is what takes us down honestly. Im just looking at. Curation here at the guggenheim to talk can you educate us about. That should be. That we can actually understand that as a public so next Time Next Year when we all stood up to 5 women we could as a rule that. Because we see that we know that. Well its interesting that you say that because ive been a fan of his work since i saw her work in london in 2016 at 154 there and i follow her work and shes absolutely an artist that the public should be following barbara changed. And her body of work as a sculptor and is absolutely amazing just savage theres a steel there whos doing Amazing Things theres a cast. Whos a young emerging artist out of the continent of africa. Theres one of my favorites helen frank and dollar. But im trying not to think like a typical usual theres. Any student really great work elizabeth accident basically we need to hang out with you. Now like. You also made sure of the panels that we have beautiful i want to take us through who you put into. So the photograph of the mother and the child that is the work of toni chapman who has a solo exhibition of photographs in new york her work is centered around black childhood and the celebration of the black body. Monica. Key. Which i when is he came to. Monacos work is she paints work around her contemporaries her siblings she is a lot with fashion as. Their identity and individuality we also have ballard whose Commission Piece of rosa parks is on Time Magazine she was one of the artists to create a work about women celebrating women and this piece here is she is immortal which is paying honor to him and he had a locks and then we have gary who work is very spiritual she creates these amount communicated figures and to exist in a sort of spiritual world and. And she deals with inequality and inequities as well beautiful he turned our studio. Here is i do as well as im surrounded by beautiful art i want to leave you with one last comment which is should me who was at an exhibition when she said this have a listen to. Women on the beach or write like i was 1st learning something and im. Im not a pastor art exhibit and in that exhibit the high series by the gorilla grass and this was seriously did in 1998 and it stops and it was. You know over 80 percent of Women Artists are in you dont want to live our National Gallery thats why you cant name Women Artists because they dont got. Just heard from 3 women who are getting those women a out of the basement and into the galleries thank you so much. We really appreciate you next time we all stop. By a Women Artists will be asked to do it. Take. 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