After me ok watching this thing in the home edition cause i dont need to tell you the coronavirus pandemic started who had china but now china is just getting out for more of its lockdown mandates and its fascinating to see what locked out real life lessons we can learn as the rest of us a coming out of those stay at home mandates how does china going to lead the way adam is akhil the station for today if youre in a you tube chat hello welcome nice to see if you have a question you have a comment you have stories to share go ahead drop them in the you tube chat and hopefully bring them into the stream and bring you and introduce you to add guests hello katrina tell everybody who you are. Hi everyone im could train a year i and the aljazeera correspondent in china travel around china im based here in beijing and ive lived in beijing for about 7 years now and im originally from new york australia. Great to have a katrina in the stream hello ya too great to have you tell everybody who while what you do. How i am your show are im a researcher for Human Rights Watch i research and write about rights issues. In new york city right now the New York Center of the virus. Thanks for coming to the station for he said it and to see you have got so many stories i know tell everybody who youre welcome to the street. Sure. My niece. Is a mission technologist signs a sailor and a relieving in london d over 7 years. In china these. d humanitarians. Days before the. One c. And. The transitions are now some serious earths and the reason is. Really military put in your room and stories let me start as who is Katrina Katrina what is different in your life today that you never would have imagined would be the norm for you now that china is beginning to get out of these who are down mandates what is life like now. Well every day in china now you have to go out and have a mask on if you dont have a mask on you feel naked even exposed you know that somethings wrong you have to have a mask everywhere you go and you expect to have your temperature take taken. Sometimes by people who are very serious about it sometimes or people who are not too serious about it but you have to have it take and you have to put your details down and in some sort of fall through a recent form of the removal for an app or when you go to a restaurant when you go to a cafe when going to mall and i think that suggests that if something does happen and theres a case and that person went to that area they know who else was there and they can contact traced everyone as well every time i have a guest. Or a for anything and they have to register i have to assure authorities can a barcode sure is authorities where in the last 2 weeks. And people get very nervous if they can see from this bar courage if ive left beijing city. They want to know where i am where i came from how they done why quarantine and the crime of virus basically. To see if you who had can you move around freely now health. Yes of course. We had we were allowed to move in on the neckwear over the 2 to 3 months ago i was at that time did a d lot d. Not so we do see bigots which means that we cannot prove we couldnt go out of the city by that and. Since then we care in. The city but of course we d need to check it but its a regime uncensored fire and. You know her true history and also on the. Traffic lights and a 2nd trainer just mentioned. And by you know were just so terrible we can just just s. No more when in fact its more or im going out of school d to recess and my grandparents to rest easy. Of course not as a whole they promised us not a city so. This. Kind of is a thing of our own but also libyans and know yes its been over 100 and you know its navy and its and its not so i think it could be a very different. Experience. What does it feel like to just be atic go out and about go and see your elderly relatives. In other parts of the world were told you cant go and see our grandparents who are mothers who are fathers because we may actually be a cause of them getting covered 19 but there you are planning planning a trip to see a relative what does that feel like. Oh so. Its its a very. Its very challenging to say that because we just made it these units are so i think. Useful as an intermediary of the u. S. In front of their you tube. Batch of people just not to news but any or any way you say care i kind of bring. The holy messages back im still worried about our you know were beginning edward he was in in meaning in. Big snow and he and his wife. Took it very serious ready and ready she said. We sought a worse. Or maybe even more. Then later we understood this is where is a war. Related and there is no anything i mean by issue in fact it is more it is it out. And people we are calling for disease to score us missiles because the troops are so kind person or. Lets say afraid of religion that our generation some of the ones you know i mean you have and. Im trigo blatting speakers and i just run a test and really. The so as americans feel for. Me to see let me just be nuts you know see these idea think how can you describe it to us because it sounds very. Science fiction like so do you really explain what you understand is happening now with people having a coach that is a different color and and we have to go around china which this code and how it helps them how do you understand it from the human rights perspective. You know i think im probably katrina and if you can you know tell us the experience of really experience of using it but to from a human rights perspective i mean you could see information of where youre being you know who have been youve been in contact was another basic bio match to a mason and they were generates a coat for you that im going in the yellow are for our concern your stats 1st of all. How. How youre how your the color determine is not known to the public so theres no way you can know why you know youre getting a color secondly there is no we wait for you to appear there is no mechanism so if you get a code that you dont see your you should get no you know no channels for you to seek redress so those are the human rights concerns. Let me just bring in you katrina im actually looking at your twitter account here shanghais disneyland reopens its china report 17 new coronavirus cases the most significant since the end of april despite fears of a 2nd wave of infections entry tickets for today so now in 3 d. When its bigger wanted to go to shanghai demand reported from me put it here what story and we got pictures of people with a mouse not running mickey but they were helping what does that tell you about the price at all right now do they do they just need to play. I think so i think. The analysts that we spoke to about this she said theres just this pent up demand i guess i think people some months 3 months they were at home and you know people in one city i mean as youve just heard they were unable to leave their front doors in some cases or their compounds to serve many days and not only that i mean in places like beijing and shanghai where there was more freedom you didnt have as strict a lockdown but everywhere are all these entertain and then these were closed there was nowhere to socialize there was no way to gather to be with people so i think you know in seeing how what a success this open day this was people are rushing for disneyland i think people are still afraid for sure there are still worry about the 2nd wave of infections that the same time people are just kind of tired as they are around the world they want to go out combatant live their life again and certainly i mean there is a certain level of trust here in the government and if the government has sanctioned the opening of disneyland of all places then people believe that it must mean that its safe enough to go to disneyland and if thats the case why not especially to parents who have nowhere to bring their children or especially Young Children who are unable to attend school or anything like that i mean im sure theyre jumping at some opportunity to find a way to entertain their children after such a long time. Couple of questions are unusual on the other for them to katrina but see if you could take us i would love to hear that when will they open the borders katrina was one question that came to us who need change. An ideal is as in the National Borders of china that when then yeah yeah ok thats one of the things i was thinking when your with your 1st question femi how life has changed i mean i guess everyone around the world never thought that we our ability to travel would be ever taken away from us especially im minister alien living in china and i never thought that i would have to think twice about leaving the country because i wouldnt be able to come back as it is now foreigners are still denied entry into china because of the fear of imported cases even though or 90 percent of imported cases are near now all of them now are foreign nationals coming back into china and theyre serving many foreigners. There was just a local magazine the new year in beijing who did just a really rough straw poll of people next thats usually in beijing and one 3rd of them said that they were stuck outside the country and so weve heard rumors that. The government is discussing opening the borders up to foreigners in july now thats occurred just a room and i expect that that will depend on a variety of things whether there is in fact a 2nd wave of infections what happens around the world as well. To see im going to bring you in here because you are arriving who had 2 days before lockdown unbelievable timing when you have family back in again of course where they are going i think when when can you go. Its a very challenging. To this because a lot of. Already knew the situation was a very dangerous because as you know new. Things are getting very difficult i read of january so i kind of made it there. If things went really was really bad so i had to be was a parents and there where did my role model mom wife she still in the race and is your wife states claiming youre coming out of a membership should anyone try yeah. It isnt like actually im probably already. Yeah her i have to repeat the 1st time of coming back because today is. Coming back again i just rebuilt it. Better and then. This is crazy cookies in there and the 1st time isnt it. Its just very literal i dont have any choices i am a send out a situation you or has kind of control when i went parents. And the needs were about integrating that experience but what about their lives and also i need to go back to work. And yeah it was a very difficult if. It was completely to save trouble perhaps but i should. And at a. d time i think maybe we can excuse that a vision trip to see the i just going back to work its really employed the idea of the economy and thats been a concern not just to china but countries around the world who look down now the opening up katrina i know as a resilient. A Small Business owner in beijing and this is what he told you about now that the businesses are open lets take a look at that coming and that that little interview he did with him. Empty chairs at empty tables this beijing restaurant once served 200. 00 customers every day but because of the coronavirus pandemic its now struggling to survive on a joe tell was forced to close the u. S. Themed diner for almost 3 months you know a 1000000 here. There is no cash flow if we are open at cash flow its the most important thing for a restaurant were still paying for the rent and stuff wages plus their accommodation in beijing weve taken a really big hit. How business is doing katrina. Its tough tough times i think many businesses struggling to survive and if they have made in this far the next few months maybe in the last few months for them the government is rolling out some targeted measures or theyve made it easier for example for people to get bank laurens theyve also said that theyve put some extensions on peoples repayments or rent payments they think the government here or try as much as possible to encourage businesses to retain stuff because the last thing they want to see is a vast number of people unemployed because that would. Be a risk for social stability or social instability which is the last thing that they want to see search trying to support these Small Businesses but at the same time sorry many have gone and. You know this Chinese New Year was a ready suppose to be a quiet time and after that people were really relying on this rush of people coming back and now even now i think people are slowly going back to restaurants and things but its. The last few months were basically just too difficult to bear some some Small Businesses especially especially when you consider in beijing there are a lot of Migrant Workers and as we see interviewed this Restaurant Owner he doesnt only pay wages he also pays for the food and lodging his stuff as well so theres so many costs and theres not enough people going back out to the restaurants in the evening people are going back to work but in terms of people going out to have fun at still levels. Listen i want to show everybody to see and that is your current team who had on Facebook Page became rizzo somewhere where people can post about this is going to show it right here so this is the idea is a private group naturally have to your permission to join it so the idea was this you were posting 1st of all then everybody else was staying so you shared them and information like im seeing reports that china is experiencing a 2nd wave everybody is weighing in there with their experiences and then this im finding absolutely fascinating some pictures of things opening up and how that opening up very different late look at this restaurant you know how people are sitting here in. Space here sitting here space here the people are paying for items again these are fascinating pictures maybe the idea of this is what may be coming in other parts around the world to see the any other things that youve seen which is so different post lockdown that you want to warn us about. Yes the post is in. The space of a space for those of. Us in the Previous Story from katrina i still want to mention that about a 2nd wave because apparently in question about 2nd wave coming and. 17 cases so cases not in the case of china law actually yesterday yesterday they were 6 more. Local cases and you cases which means that as saying to normalize the situation to ready take that as a part of our daily routine could be our out of licenses and people need to. d be sure and. If hes unable to attend race every time not because of washing hands and the wearing rest of the public transport dense areas or any restaurants this caribbean sorry. Situation the station and i still want to send out and not a message is among the social distancing is in there thats a very bad saying on. Is not can be easy. Its because even though we can still seek more energy and time results. We see our as samis and the fragile one to show us what i mean sometimes you have to go on particular kinds of our friends and spend some unnecessary time with and in that case you always have. Where do they say to get away from them and that i know that is a very super normal in china so. Theyre still sound negative name. Q i was just looking at your twitter feed here and one of the things youre doing is a. In the human rights issues that coming out of china you have not stopped critiquing the Chinese Government regardless of whether theres a pandemic are not a pandemic im looking here about it talking about Chinese Government unveiled measures requiring 6 has to extend the same treatment to or from home and abroad you are talking here about this in a phobia that seems to have been in the hearts because of the current virus pandemic how do you continue to do your work when you know that a country is struggling with coming out of lockdown struggling with how do we keep our citizens safe and healthy how do you pick your moments do you need to pick your moments to critique china. Well i mean you know china to extent it has successfully contain the virus but we have to you know know that to china has a very sophisticated a censorship system so there are a lot of you know there are successful stories the government has perpetrated but theres also a lot of sufferings and ive been censored that have been repressed you know as are you mr cho humoresque issues i am being in daily contact it was people who had lost of their families in the. Who have suffered terribly so those stories need to be heard to make honest and trying you know in ohio now in a country no saying that people are you know they want to go to disneyland because there is you know i want to go arts however im talking to people or they have experience harassment detention by the police because they wanted to see creed or i speak for their family members dying in the pen to make them do to you know government elections. Coming up so the story to continue to work ive been talking to africans or so because that want to government you know i am a pro has implemented a policy to forcefully tast africans for the coronavirus regardless whether they had being contect it was people who had been affected regardless whether they had traveled outside of china so this is a racist discriminatory policy and people are very upset today and i totally i mean its totally judgment is so i you know i dont i dont think you know its a moment say when people are experiencing us abuses they should tell their story and their story should be now. Im going to ask you to do a quick round of questions and ill says katrina you cant pause just not a long ass a very quick this is a few cheap lucy loon and if the germans government telling the truth about the existing numbers cases people who died new cases. We were basically short answers we dont know unfortunately we only have one source of figures for coronavirus cases in china and that is the government and of course there is no independent inquiry around these numbers we only know what they give us and we do know that in the last few months the method of counting cases has changed a number of times for example in one counting is internet or they were only. Counted with any claim to. Be a drought as much as another question no no no no no no rest meant as well as my says china had the best measures to curb and could tell the spread of covert 19 does this have to do is selfdiscipline of its citizens. Well whether china the best not that thats really up for discussion but definitely there is a different culture in a different system here its an authoritarian system the way people they had they given very little choice and very as yet you mentioned very little opportunity to argue so when theyre told given a directive or a law from the government they basically have no choice but to comply. So i dont know if its a culture thats just the system the way it is here im sure there are cases that are im but in here you know youve got what it larry over in the 100 head. You know people would try to. Criticize the government there who are people who dont believe the government statistic that you can get sacked detained or harassed by the police you know by the government. And i think. 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