Color, their lock into the program. Im the starting, attain now student demonstrations and solidarity with palestine on us campuses on escalating police have made hundreds of arrest, dismantled entitlements and evicted students have been fabricating themselves inside College Buildings purchased as one day universities to cut ties with companies linked to israel. This crisis is also becoming a political flash point in the potential headache for President Joe Biden as he seeks the 2nd time in november. Republicans are criticizing his handling of these demonstrations even as he continues to support as well as more on gaza, which has killed close to 35000. 00 palestinians. All the student protest is taking a political time. Can they cost to buy and support them . A significant section of young versus and whats expected to be a closely full collection, what its for these and all the questions that i guess im just a moment. But 1st, this report by katya lopez told her in the bits of protest that scrolling into a movement with students across the united states, showing support for palestinians in garza, we came together to make demands on the university to tie best in town in france. Corporations that profit off and it is rarely genocide former and current students from at least 30 universities have stage rallies and set up in cabinets, many demanding college administrators, cut, financial ties with israel and stop investing in companies that do business with the is really military. Its not about columbia or c, c, n, y, or berkeley, or you see a la or any other place where the students have risen up. This is the contents of a nation. Speaking through your kids, through young people. Many say the demonstrations reflect the state of american political discourse, an issue. So paula, rising among young voters, it could have ramifications said, reach all the way to the white house present by needs to denounce a mazda is campus sympathizers without equivocating about as railways. Finding a right, just war of survival weeks of protest against israels war in casa mark, the biggest student mobilization in america since the 19 sixtys, when demonstrations against the vietnam more searched on College Campuses. One of the leaders of those protest decades ago says history is repeating itself. Theyre sick at heart. And as, as i was 56 years ago and they have seen mass murder, we saw a mass murder in vietnam, a carpet bombing a pole provinces. The movement is also posing a challenge for University Administrators trying to balance the right to free speech with freedom of assembly complaints, of intimidation and accusations of allowing anti semitism. And this one movie i think that a lot of jews have a lot of generation very difficult to see to dan palestinians have very difficult whats going on. 2 now 7 months and to israels were on cause the, the demonstrations reflect political and generational divisions which could play a significant role in the us president ial election in november. Katia, look, this is leanne elder 0 for insight story. Although it dramatic confrontation sylvia of the hours of thursday, between police and students at the university of california campus and will central is from that his full level with his report to. So these processes now being loaded onto these large pulses one by one of these buses belong to the essentially the sheriffs department, the county sheriffs department, and theyll be taken to a site, we believe touts out to be processed as you walk through the site. You can see this cows of process discrete, which with days was play it, which is of the october 7th hostages, facing this direction because this is, per those protests as well. Living. Recall this metal, metal barricade se, but look at all of the state free. There are crates that are, wouldnt boards of products these, what was the protests were using to effectively defend the come . How does we cross the line . We are now into the come by walking through what was a very densely populated area. Say well, whats, how anywhere between 3500. 00 protests is living here, but the tubs were very, very close together. And that is why it took so long for the police to come in effect to the walk through what to waste through the types of policy. What able to come in quickly they had to go through. But ultimately to take these protest is out. Its going to take a good few days to clear all of this mess up us for the protests as the selves will. They will come now that if you look at all to those buses, some of the lead pol entirely but we have this town that most of them have pete arrested. They say for them, this protest is far from over. This is just the beginning from los angeles, phillip, ill say inside story. Well, thats not bring in august now because i as an associate professor and Public Policy. Ive university of maryland. She specializes in racial and ethnic politics and she joins us today from washington, dc in boston. We have rami who are a political analyst and distinguished Public Policy fellow at the American University of beverage. And also in washington dc is james davis. Hes a republican strategist who is advised major corporations and yours on government around the world. A very warm welcome to all of you. Thank you for joining us today on inside story. Now, especially given what weve seen in the last few days at u. C. L a and in new york it feels like the, the response, the, the escalating response to what were seeing on, on College Campuses around the us. Thats almost galvanizing more action. So weve got this growing movement, not just individual purchase, but now what seems to be a movement in an Election Year around me. I know youve been speaking to a lot of students who have been involved in these demonstrations. Do you get the sense that this is just the beginning . Yeah, it is. Ive been involved in campus activities, media stuff, Public Policy debates in the u. S. For the last 55 years since 1968. When i was a freshman, when i was a sophomore at syracuse university, and ever since then, ive been involved by the end. The base was like, oh hello students or Media Debates or whatever and enough stuff in the last 55 years. And i can tell you, this is the most dramatic moment in terms of how the palestine is real issue, intersects with american domestic politics and trends. But the reason is that since 1968, which was a dramatic year for protests of the Chicago Convention of the tetra, the Democratic Party, it has slowly, slowly built up a coalition of modern life. People are americans or African Americans, most americans, hispanic americans, labor unions, of students. Im have some other groups on church groups. And these people have been organizing for 40 years getting holders registered. We saw the impact of that in the primaries in michigan a few months ago. And other primaries for the 1st time, this group of lets call it, theyre not all s like minorities, but marginalized minorities are and im working together and they select the democratic part. This incumbency, we dont know whats going to happen in november. But we do know that there is now a huge ideological branch in the united states. Its been there for a while. If you look at, you know, im a, shouldnt be see him and fox but, but this has now gone on to the local level, the public level and, and it just incredibly powerful as a, as a confrontation. Hopefully it will stay a peaceful that has been from the protesters side yesterday and the day before. But we have some services, but it was really moves over, attracting students to that usually like other places. But this, this is really, really important. Its the 1st time that palestine injury has become a domestic american political issue where it goes depends on how the battle now will come out, whether they lead it to stablish them, forces will prevail or the protesters out there are Huge National coalition loop about rama just to clarify something for of us because you have been speaking to to student protests as involved right now on campuses. Theres been a lot of allegations of outside interference with people coming in and instigating violence. So other kinds of activities on campus, all youre hearing about any of that from your students. And thats really a that some of them say that occasionally some people try to come in and influence some of this on that phone. But theres no more outside influence in this than there is in the American Congress for the American Media with look at external forces that try to influence them, usually legal ways, lobbying advertising, etc, pressuring them the outside influence is a part of public life and politics, especially of the, the kindest on israel, a conflict, but the students, ive talked to him about 12 universities across the u. S. And the last 34 months have been remarkably focused, clear, and violent. And of the coalition that i mentioned is global nationally is reflected at the level of the protesters, especially with the progressive jewelry, students, African Americans and others. And you talk about this very organized student reason. I mean, universities in the us of historically has had a very deep culture of, of activism. Its supposed to be a safe space. Right. And we know this from the vietnam. Well, what happened to columbia . For instance, weve seen this over the course of, of many, many generations at american universities. This time though, we are also now seeing a faculty get involved with seeing divisions within the democratic policy. People taking sides. Yeah. And beyond curious feel or thoughts on this. How deep do you think the risk saw that were seeing develop within universities, within the democratic policy, within these, what will have rami describe it as previously nationalized scripts you have previously come together as well. I mean, i think because, you know, part of where faculty have responded is because of the escalation backed on campus is with calling in police and national guard. And, you know, i think many faculty feel like its their responsibility to protect these children. I mean, theyre still children. I mean, i know we call them adults, but they are still young people in many times we have as much if not more contact, then these young people with these young people in their own families because many of them are far from home. We see them at schedule times, we go for a week and we build relationships with them. So when you see them being vit tie and in some cases brutalize. Yeah, i think a lot of faculty compton, i mean, whether they are on one side of the debate or other or the other. I think what is important is that many felt that they be there to support students that universities should not be in the business of calling in a state of florida used to wordpress. What is their constitutional right to protest into speech . I think its been very concerning because as this has in full that i think there been lots of ways in which the protest and terminology, or even just to protect themselves. Right. Had been used to talk about, you know, the atmosphere on campus. And to me, that is just advertise a faculty member from where the code for we want to bundle mentally change University Systems. But people who typically dont care about universities who they are definitely dont care about young people and certainly have not spent a lot of time on a University Campus in a while. And i think part of the reason why this is so i dont know, concern earning, distressing or even surprising for some is the fact that one, we dont have a lot of expectation. Sometimes out of young people, we tied them for being disengaged. And when they engage, we say they dont know whether theyre ignorant, theyre wrong, theyre being, you know, brainwash all kinds of derogatory things. But these people are engage, this is the george floyd generation if you will. Um and part of why these, i think these, these particular protests have gained so much traction is, is one because i dont think we ever thought that there would be a place where one could be a new loss of buffalo and a critique of the state of israel, but also because the universities and willingness to just sort of let this thing play out, has escalated and spread these attacks. What most people dont get is this semester is winding down. For most of us we only have a week or 2 left at school. It was highly unlikely that students were going to stay behind and protest of the summer. But when you start calling it n, y, p, b, and l a p d, and other things in the time students and throwing them in jail sales. Then you made this a real pain in that saying it wasnt real before, but now you have, you have heart and there was all right to continue this and there are a lot of solidarity protests that came up as a result. So i think this is a pre miscalculation by both the Democratic Party. Yes, but also um, from the university leadership. I mean, he handed you told her about a miscalculation and all you really, it was also the series of congressional hearings. Right . That really intensify these protests and then the subsequent reaction that weve seen from administrators since then, james, im curious, how much do you think this has all been driven by Political Considerations, especially the response weve seen from university management. Well, i think its true of my Political Considerations, but the Political Considerations come from the fringe of the what is the Democratic Party and the divide within the Democratic Party over what the Public Policy. Uh, what do you state should look like in regards to israel and palestine . It is a big divide for joe biden is basis is, is completely waged on this issue. And hes been kind of playing in the middle of the road on this and hes kind of become roadkill in the middle of the road. Um, because he has no banks on either side. I, i just saw a video of on students on both sides of the debate on a college campus. You know, its chanting explicit it, it was against joe biden, both of them back and forth. So hes not winning with either coalition there. I think overall its been a vacuum of leadership at the University System level and uh, and then obviously in the white house here, when we talk about free speech its, its important to remember like, yes, we want to teach our young people how to cheat and, and and lift up their voice and brain passion and spirit to the debates. But if theyre taking over property, if they are intimidating or harassing other students, thats not ok. And thats when Law Enforcement unfortunately has to get involved us for the protection of, of, of Property Rights and individuals. Its not fair to the individuals who paid a ton of money to go to some of these institutions to get their education to have it disrupted by that, right . Theyre trying to, to try to prepare for their location. And you know, youre basically taking from them, some of them are having really similar moments in their life that like education are like their graduations been cancelled at the way we started saying not so well pops on surprisingly, in an election. Yet we are already hearing from pet President Donald Trump on this. Lets take a lesson to some of what hes had to say. College president and i say remove the in camp and so mediately vanquish the radicals and take back our campuses for all as a normal one, a safe place from which to learn a lot. Certainly not the most striving language weve had from him on this. But james, let me throw this to you as a republican strategist. I mean, the party must be pretty delighted watching with this on hold. Well, i think politically, it does put uh joe on puts job. I never really tough spot, puts trump the strong spot into his credit. Hes running a very Good Campaign this time around. You know, the recent poll from long that asked the americans how they viewed this match up where they excited about this matchup of joe biden versus donald trump. This re match and 30 percent 6 percent of democrats said no. 66 percent of republicans said yes, and then 27 percent of independent. I said yes. So, i mean, theres a huge delta in these numbers and it shows the Enthusiasm Gap until binds are, and spacing, and thats in the, in the, all this is happening on top of the bite nomics and increase inflation, cost of living, all of those things. So this is just more fuel to the fire. It looks very yearly, similar to the black lives matter. Move met from 2020 except for its breaking the opposite way. Right now is this thing because were still just sort of a 6 months from the november elections and obviously, Foreign Policy doesnt usually feature massively highly on the top is which is priority list when, when theyre going to the bottom box in the us ive been looking at some of that on this as well, particularly when it comes to young versus recent. What was it, how the institute of politics use . Part of it, says garza and whats happening, the rank fifteens on the list of top issues facing young by disney notes. Fairly low down the list, well below the economy and emigration. According to to that survey, rami, do you think whats happening, what were seeing happened now, and the response on College Campuses will actually change between behavior. Well, it already has. We saw it in the primaries and several states. Thats not definitive, but the primaries where people say a but she registered as of uncommitted was a warning shot. It wasnt a whole lot. But thats a very important warning sign because it was replicated on about 5 or 6 other states. So the palestine is real issue. It is now a domestic issue in the election here. And what, what significant does, what now, besides the, i think it was very important. This is the 1st time in modern history. And i dont exaggerate because our experienced this whole history of, since i was a student of 1960, that was the 1st time that people in the united states. So Mainstream Media but mostly on social media and alternative media and progressive media, but mostly on the ground where they live, are able to discuss the issue of palestinian rights, is really policies and american complexity and the, or, and gas. I know this has never happened before, so youre seeing this desperate attempt by the what i call the power lead. And i just remember to james in the sense that the, theres no real difference between the republicans or democrats when it comes to the middle east policy. Theyre minor Little Things here and there. But when you see binders and he has to support for the war a, theres not, theres no real difference at all. So you have a totally, that is really a cost part is the media of the Mainstream Media is central to this. And the corporate world is central to this. They are desperately trying now to discredit the demonstrators who was saying theres outside infiltrators on this and up. I can watch this closely. Every day ive watched this and i just wrote, and ive been on this, this coming out a few days that, that the desperately using, you know, the same tactics will come out of the pro is really propaganda about that. But just one of them was terrorist. There how much lovers theyre not sees, this is the worst thing is real as experienced as the holocaust, that those reviews of people are afraid of haul. It just happens to be there not accurate time, this exaggeration and all these accounts to desperately stop the discussion in public about israels behavior for american complicity in the war. So this is the battle, this taken place. Its really, its really a battle the trains of forces throughout the webinar as anti semitism, to silence palestinians progressive voices in the us and of course, to change american policies to stop being so war happy. The other side people was fighting for justice for the past and the peaceful, legal rights are as well as in thousands. You get to these incredible statements by the president himself of the head of the congress for house representatives. And this sort of should be no match statement. So this is people are talking about the page page 22. And while it is real, them killed interest. This is total absolute liason nonsense. Its a stereo, but its a syria in the center of the power structure. And that would be who i just want to pick up on something you said that it just very briefly. Im curious about whether you think, given what weve seen on campuses and what weve seen in terms of voicing behavior. And the problem is whether any of the protests that were seeing in the growing movement, whether that might actually shift any administration policy. I think it, well, i think we will see it, but its not going to happen quickly. What are the things that ive learned and im look during the writing of this now in the last 45 years, 50 years of follow. This is the policy change happens slowly. Social activism happens quickly. Reaction to social activism happens quickly. Media stuff happens quickly, but policy change happens slowly. Remember in the, in the sixties and early seventies i watched the womans fluid expense, civil rights will reach a peak, the environmental move on the born. And we add to the warm over the born those movements to, to 102030 years to make real policy changes. And so we have to look at this as a, be a part of a slow moving process. That yes, i think there will be changes, but theyll take time. Well, part of that, that movement for change is about voting at natalie. Let me ask you about the, what would be a progressive you start here and how much thats, thats going to impact bite and in, in november, if youre a progressive youth, but its, what is your calculus, if you will, this the solution to this angry at the by the administration in the white house do vote from knowing what he might do in an office or do you just not vote at all . I think one of the things that they are not as persuaded by this go round is the word 20. 20 is the beer. You have to give people something more than just being fearful of the outcome. Some people might say, hey, we have for you donald trump. It was terrible. But we lived through its fine. And i think, you know, some people think theyll be another boat. I think we could never hang our hats on that. Right. I mean, weve seen it in other countries. People always think that theres another chance to vote. But when you have someone whos suggested at least that theyre committed to being more autocratic, i dont know that we cant hang our hats on that. But i think these young people are willing to gamble that because they are not inspired by the democratic coalition. Theyre not inspired by a job i. They dont care for him as a candidate. Mean people think hes too old. Hes out of touch and certainly this issue is not just about sort of israel in, in her mouth. And all of that is also about how the police data be used to give these to me is about a lot of things and theyre disillusionment with housing with the cost of living insulation, etc. So i think if there is a choice, i think a lot of people will knowingly stay home understanding that this could be a problem to donald trump when in the fall. But we have to also know that there are down valid races that those kids might also be willing to engage with. So no, i mean i hope that youve these people as president , but i will vote for my state legislature mass any Council People because those are becoming much more attractive i think being used for the kind of change in the immediacy that these young people see. But also these are places where it seems like these, these candidates have more room is not as martin paid for the 2 party system that we see when we talk about the president ial races. Speaking of the candidates, i want to, to bring in james here as a political strategist, if you were advising the vitamin whitehouse right now on how to de escalate the situation. Were seeing that really only happened at a couple of universities at brown in north westman, who, who promised the votes on divest mental, well grace or transparency. But we havent had a tool from the president himself. We havent had it all from joe biden at this stage. What would you be advising him in his administration to do right now . Well the reason you havent been hearing from him is because he doesnt do a great job when he comes out and it gets public speaks seats. Teachers and his administration is really trying to, his team is trying to really handle him with a really tight lease. Right. Now, and i think ultimately youre going to have to have him go out and make a forceful case one way or another. Which way hes going to go on on this policy debate. Because right now hes standing in the middle and no ones happy. So theyre gonna have to make a decision here to, to, to, um, to, to play k one side or the other. Theyre trying to have it both ways and they cant. The problem here is the same problem. You see with a lot of corporations in america where, you know, the leadership wants to go one direction, but an Employee Base wants to go another direction or so we some radical portion of the unemployed based wants to go a different direction. And they make a lot of noise, particularly on social media, and that travels fast. And then youve got to have responses to all of that. And i think thats a problem. His basis of the lines on this issue is a super wedge issue. When youre talking about the impact on the race and whats gonna happen, youre looking at now, you know, roughly 10000. 00 or so votes difference in across 7 states. That that will impact the outcome of this election. If you were to go back and look at the 20 uh 2020 uh, buddy ols. And if you look at all the souls right now, trump is, is, is a good bit of heads up of joe biden. And those are swing states already. So all you need to do is turn it out at the marsh. Were talking 10000. 00 votes and thats, thats nothing. And its already going to be a kind of straightforward election. What were seeing now will only make it more so im sure you will agree. Thank you though for a very interesting discussion today, its all about yes maam, because uh romney, corey and james davis. Im thank you too for watching. You can see this program again, any time by visiting our website and is there a dot com . So for the discussion, do those well facebook page, facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. Remember, you can also join the conversation on x. Now, how does that is at a inside story . 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