Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171107

To this programme. Her full interview before 11. Plus, theresa may is currently leading a party engulfed by harassment scandals, with a foreign secretary whos just made a serious blunder and an International Development secretary who held talks in israel without telling anyone about them. Well look at what all this means for her leadeship. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until am this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning. Use the hashtag victorialive, and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Tell us if you have been stopped and searched by the police. What happened . Searched by the police. What happened . Why were searched by the police. What happened . Why were you told you were being searched . Happened . Why were you told you were being searched . Let happened . Why were you told you were being searched . Let me know. You can send me an e mail. All of the details on the screen. Good morning. Our top story today. Leaked documents known as the Paradise Papers that have been analysed by the bbcs Panorama Programme and the International Consortium of investigativejournalists reveal that apple moved its profits to jersey after a tax loophole in ireland was closed. The arrangement isnt illegal but means the Technology Giant saves billions in corporation tax. Apple says it remains the Worlds Largest taxpayer. The files also show formula i World Champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax on a luxuryjet he purchased by importing it to the isle of man. Our economics correspondent, andy verity, has more. Commentator hamilton is World Champion. Five years ago, Lewis Hamilton bought his own luxuryjet worth £16. 5 million. It was something hed always wanted. This is your plane. If i geta plane, im going to pimp it out . Paint it red, yeah . Exactly. Injanuary, 2013, the formula i champion landed his new private plane at the isle of mans airport, importing it there. Isle of man Customs Officials met him at 6 15am to finalise the paperwork and sign off on a vat refund of £35 million. I cant believe i have my own plane still, after all these years. Under eu rules, youre only meant to get a refund if the jets used for commercial purposes, but the documents suggest hamilton was planning to spend a third of his flying time on personal use, and hes not alone. The leaks also show the isle of man paid £790 million in vat refunds to jet leasing companies. If theyre using it for private purposes, the fact that all this money is being refunded is quite shocking. You should not be getting vat back if its private usage and youre getting vat back. Mr hamiltons lawyer said the arrangement was lawful. The documents also reveal how the iphone maker apple used a British Crown dependency to keep its tax bill down. We pay all the taxes we owe, every single dollar. We not only comply with the laws, but we comply with the spirit of the laws. We dont depend on tax gimmicks. In 2014, ireland announced it would Ban Companies with no Tax Residency. That meant apple needed a Tax Residency for its lucrative irish subsidiaries fast, so it sent out a questionnaire courting tax havens and it chose jersey, where its 261 billion pile of cash from selling phones and ipads is now tax resident. Apple said the structure hadnt lowered its taxes and it remained the Worlds Largest taxpayer. Andy verity, bbc news. In the last few minutes, a response from the government injersey. They say, jersey does not want abusive tax avoidance schemes and it expects Financial Services providers to abide by a voluntary code to say they will not take on this business. We are asking for all relevant documents to support this action to be investigated. Rebecca is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Good morning. Us President Donald Trump has been greeted with full ceremony in south korea, on the latest leg of his tour of east asia. His 24 hour visit comes as tensions remain high on the korean peninsula. The white house says mr trumps trip is intended to demonstrate american resolve in the face of nuclear and missile threats from north korea. In the last hour, he told a News Conference they were making a lot of progress on the issue of north korea. North korea is a worldwide threat that requires worldwide action. We call on every responsible nation, including china and russia, to demand that the north korean regime end its Nuclear Weapons and its missile programmes and live in peace, as the south Korean People know so well, it is time to act with urgency and with great determination. The husband of a british woman jailed in determination. The husband of a british womanjailed in iran has said the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, should correct an error he made in talking about the case. Mr johnson had told mps Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe had been training journalists. Her husband, richard, says she was on holiday. The legal authorities in iran have threatened to increase the five year sentence imposed on her. Keith doyle reports. Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe was arrested with her baby at tehran airport last year. She was charged with trying to overthrow the government and sentenced to five years in jail. She has worked for the Thomson Reuters foundation and the bbc, but insisted this trip was for her daughter to meet her grandparents and she denies all the allegations against her. Diplomacy has not helped secure her release and this comment by the foreign secretary last week has set her case back, according to her family. She was simply teaching people journalism, as i family. She was simply teaching peoplejournalism, as i understand it. In the last few days, she was brought back to court and told mr johnsons comments shed new light on her case and proved she was not on holiday. It is feared iran may now increase her sentence. He needs to make a clear statement that she was not working training journalists. She was on holiday. She is innocent of the association. We have made it very clear for a long time, she is not being held because of anything she has done, she is not. The Foreign Office says borisjohnson will be in touch with the Iranian Foreign minister to ensure his comments are not misrepresented. Victoria will be talking to the husband of Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe in the next hour. The Prime Minister has asked for the ministerial code of conduct to be tightened after an mp apologised for Holding Secret meetings with israeli officials during the summer. Priti patel the International Development secretary apologised for not informing the Foreign Office and suggesting Boris Johnson knew in advance of the visit. Labour said the shocking admission warranted a Cabinet Office inquiry. The Prime Minister is calling for a new culture of respect after a string of Sexual Harassment claims at westminster. Shes been meeting leaders from all parties to talk about improving the complaints procedure. Theresa mays described plans for a new grievance procedure for parliamentary staff as an important step forward. The government is being warned that foodbanks could struggle to meet demand this winter unless urgent action is taken to improve universal credit. The Trussell Trust which is the uks biggest foodbank operator says areas where universal credit has been in place for six months have seen a 30 increase in demand on the previous year. The government says its misleading to link foodbank usage to any one issue. A baby javan gibbon a babyjavan gibbon has been born in the wild, the first born to parents rescued from the pet trade. Victoria gill reports. In this protected rainforest in indonesia, conservationists introduced me to a very special family. These are javan gibbons. They were released here by a team who rescued them from the pet trade. Now they have settled into their new home and have just had a baby. That six month old baby is the first babyjavan gibbon to be born in the wild from rehabilitated and rereleased parents. Both parents started their lives in cages in the pet trade. Now theyre living wild. There are a family. But some gibbons are not so lucky. They are still sometimes taken from the wild and sold as pets. Researchers say the trade is now happening more online, sometimes on social media. We found this video of a gibbon for sale on facebook. And british researchers who are studying the pet trade showed me videos and pictures posted by indonesian pet shops including this one of a babyjavan gibbon. Its illegal to sell these endangered animals. And gibbons are not the only type of ape affected. These baby orangutans were also rescued and are now being cared for at a sanctuary. Apes are very intelligent. Being taken from their family to be someones pet is frightening for them. He was found injakarta in a bus in a postal package. Someone was posting her . Exactly, yes. Its horrific that this is happening. When they found her, she was traumatised. It was really difficult for us to get her going. These youngsters are now learning to live in the trees so they can one day go back to the forest. Facebook told us they had removed the video we found and they said they wanted to help tackle the illegal online trade in protected wildlife. Conservationists here want to fight the trade too and they want to bring more of these gibbons out of cages and back into the wild where they belong. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30. Lets get some sport. West ham have a new manager. Why have they hired david moyes . They are looking for a safe pair of hands and someone they believe can turn around their premier league season. They have only won two matches, down in the relegation zone, and they have said in a statement saying they have said in a statement saying they have appointed david moyes, they are looking for someone with long premier league experience who can bring a steady head to the job. They believe david moyes is the right man for thejob. Negotiations believe david moyes is the right man for the job. Negotiations seem to have progressed pretty smoothly yesterday after they sacked slaven bilic as their boss, so they have got the former everton, Manchester United and sunderland man in on a two and a half Year Contract with a break clause at the end of the season. Break clause at the end of the season. They will be waiting to see whether he can turn the season around. It is thought he will start with training this afternoon and he has already posted a video on west hams twitter feed talking about how much he is looking forward to thejob. Talking about how much he is looking forward to the job. I am really looking forward to meeting the supporters, being in the stadium with them, looking forward to seeing them get right behind the team and my team also. We need the support, we need everybody with us. It is a big job we have in hand now. I am sure with everybody together, we can get the right results between now and the right results between now and the end of the season. By the looks of the video, they may have had david moyes in the wings for some time before they sacked Slaven Bilic Slaven Bilic said he was expecting it, no hard feelings. His friend ian wright said he was pleased for slaven bilic because just being one game away from losing hisjob for the last just being one game away from losing his job for the last however long it has taken a toll on his mental health. Probably the best thing for him. As a friend, i know him very well, i am actually pleased. Pleased for him knowing him and what he has been going through the last couple of years especially, especially since the new stadium and everything like that. I think for himself and his health, he needs a break from it. You cannot work like that. You are always a couple of games from the sack. I am just pleased now for his sake that he can get a break from it and get on with it. West ham fa ns from it and get on with it. West ham fans as well pretty pleased to see the back slaven bilic. But not that excited about the arrival of david moyes. 0ne online poll, 90 said they would prefer to see a much more progressive manager but it may sweeten the pill for them if he brings in Stuart Pearce as his number two. Very popular figure at west ham and among the fans as well. Perhaps we will see him as part of David Moyes Team and of course, if David Moyes Team and of course, if David Moyes Team and of course, if david moyes can turn the season around, perhaps they will feel more positive about him. Stuart pearce, he would inspire some of the players, i think. He would inspire some of the players, ithink. Again he would inspire some of the players, i think. Again on twitter, loads of west ham fans saying, how is david moyes the right man when he took down sunderland . 0ther saying that no one could have kept sunderland up. Cricket, build up to the ashes, tricky for the england team, another blow . Another big name out of englands ashes squad, the seam bowler steven finn, a tear to the cartilage in his knee that he picked up in training. Travelled out to australia, got the injury, it just seems extra cruel. He will fly uk in the 48 hours and he will see a specialist to ascertain whether he needs an operation. They already without ben stokes after the incident outside a bristol nightclub. Now steven finn missing as well. Pessimists owing england are staring down the barrel of an ashes whitewash. Thank you. If youre black youre eight times more likely to be stopped and searched by a Police Officer than any other ethnic group. Although it has been used around 300,000 times across england and wales in the past year, only i7 of those lead to an actual arrest. For innocent people being stopped in the street can be scary and intimidating and for some, it can lead to distrust of Police Officers. The countrys biggest force, the metropolitan police, say its vital to reduce knife crime. 21 teenagers have been stabbed to death in london stabbed to death in london alone so far this year. 0ur reporter Noel Phillips was stopped and searched twice within a few months. After he complained about his treatment the met apologised. Heres a film he made about it. Im sure the officer has explained to you, youre being searched because theres been an incident where someone has produced a flick knife. A glimpse into one of the polices most controversial powers, stop and search. I think it is down to how you dress and your race. I wouldnt blanket so we are looking to stop more black people or young black men. Your behaviour, on your bike. Ive been stopped and searched twice in the last few months. Stay still. We also hear claims about officers abusing their powers. Ive seen many Police Officers stop people that i would be can consider to be based on their racial prejudices because of the colour of their skin. I think it is a really useful tool when properly targeted, when properly focused when there are good grounds. But thats not always the case give people like me who have been on the receiving end of being stopped and searched, can often leave you feeling victimised or, in some cases, like me who have been on the receiving end up according to home office figures, if you are black you are eight times more likely to be stopped and searched compared to any other ethnic group. I have explained it to you though. |j have been stopped over 125 times in my lifetime. Ken was stopped at the age of 17. He is a youth mentor. M made me an angry man. It made me see the police as the enemy. I made a mistake, but it doesnt mean that you young men have to make the same mistake that i have made. How can the police stop and searching . The way they can stop the police stopping us unnecessarily is by holding them to account. Just because you have got stop and search it doesnt mean you have done anything bad. The police have ajob to do. There are bad guys out there . I accept that stop and search is one of the tools in the armour of the police to be used. Since stop and search came out of a racist law, it is not surprising 40 years on, we are still getting this disproportionality thats still here. A quarter of a century ago, riots in brixton led to the end of the laws which allowed police to stop and arrest anyone on suspicion, but it was widely believed it was used by officers to harass young black men and opinion is divided as to whether much has changed since then. The amount of times i see black young guys going from school and getting stopped and searched is just frustrating. Barry is 14 and says his First Contact with the police was when he was searched on his way home from school six months ago. I was about to go home. I was playing with my keys. I was feeling bored and i accidentally dropped my keys near the Police Station and then some police they came over. They said because at the time i had a bag as well. So, they said can you empty your bag ive been stopped and searched once when i was 12 last year i was on my way to training and i was at the bus stop waiting for my bus and two Police Officers approached me and they said i match the description of something that had happened. Ive been stopped a lot of times when i was young. Whilst theyve never been in trouble with the police, 26 year old ahmed has. He said he used to be part of a gang. Do you think you were stopped because of the way you looked or maybe because of what you were wearing . The way i looked on what i was wearing. My colour was the main thing i got stopped for. Do you think its really just down to that . Yes. Why . Ive been stopped over at 70 times because of my colour. Even now i do something good for the community i still get stopped. Dont you accept the police have a job to do and they have to try and keep people safe . Yes, they have a job to do and i understand, but theres Better Things to do than search me. What do you think the police can do to make stop and search more effective so people like you, who arent criminals, who arent doing bad things, arent being stopped . Do theirjob properly. Simple as that. Do yourjob properly. Know peoples rights. Do yourjob properly. I also know what it feels like to be stopped and searched. In fact, the most recent is at this very spot where im standing. Now i remember four plain clothed officers approaching me. It was all so sudden, all so unexpected. They asked me what i was doing. I pointed in that direction and said i was on my way home, and yet i was still searched. Theres been drug dealing on this estate. Weve seen people stop, they run away from us. Weve arrested people for cannabis. Your behaviour, how you was on your bike,. Sorry, im allowed to film. Stay still. At that point, the officer took my phone and stopped me recording what was happening and i was detained and searched. Were going to put some gloves on. 0k. The misuse of drugs act power was used to search me, thats despite me never having used drugs in my entire life. Can you stay still . Iam, iam. After challenging the police on their grounds for searching me i was given an apology for what happened and was invited to go out on patrol with their officers to see how they use their stop and search powers. This month in hackney through stop and search, weve removed eight weapons off people. Weve actually taken as weapons off the street and that prevents them being used in what could be murders. Secondly, if people know that the police are out there making use of stop and search powers, it acts as a deterrent for people to carry weapons. Within minutes we receive reports of a Man Threatening to stab a woman with a knife in a nearby park in hackney, north london. Received. Do we know what sort of knife it was . All weve got is this park, so were just going to see if anyone that matches the description. Youre looking for a tall, slim build black man with a salt and pepper moustache. Would there be any doubt in your mind if you do see this man whether he needs to be searched or not . Its about having a suspicion. So at the moment, with the information that ive got, if we found someone that closely matches that description, yes, i have a suspicion he might be carrying a knife. Officers were unable to locate the man who reportedly had a knife but across the uk knife crime is on the rise, especially in london. For all the crit sisms about stop and search, the met point to the statistics, 150 people were stabbed in the capital and last year that figure rose to more than 1200. The figures i know would suggest that the majority of those involved in knife crime are young, they are almost all men. There is a high proportion that are black and ethnic minority than not. We look at maybe some of our activities to target gang members and you look at the make up of those gangs. That could be another reason or the demographics of any particular part of london. The person with a knife punched the informant in the face. So we are going to a call to a shop down in the south of borrow. There isa group down in the south of borrow. There is a group of youths in the shop and the shop owner asked them to move. 0ne the shop owner asked them to move. One of them pulled a knife out and threatened him with it. It is a white, 13 to 14 year old, grey tracksuit, president hollande hair. So we have got, i think, we have got three units going to this call and cctv looking. The officer has explained you are being searched because someone produced a flick knife. Officers stop a 16yearold who matches the description. But his 15 year old friend who, is black, is being arrested. Possession of class b drugs. We are searching under pace. A flick knife is a weapon, but we found drugs on this boy. Sew has been arrested. The other one hasnt got a knife and nothing illegal. We will get his details and he will be on his way. Now these officers are keen for us to see that the met wa nts to keen for us to see that the met wants to change the publics opinions about stop and search, for decades the force faced accusations of racism, but for there to be change, there has to be trust. Do you think black people have to just accept the fact that they will be stopped and searched because its an effective way in tackling knife and Violent Crime . We are not looking to blanket search young men. We are looking to search gang members and people who matches the suspect. If we see someone that matches that description, they will be searched. As was the case today. Thats what we operate on. We dont generalise and we dont blank sercht people based on their gender or age or ethnicity. It is not a case that all black men have to accept they will be searched. Adam spent time on the met police. He says he witnessed officers deliberately searching young black men. It permeates the he entire Police Service at every level. Ultimately, racism within the metropolitan police is a massive issue. That infects every, it infects the police at every level. What were some of the things you saw . I have seen many Police Officers stop people that what i consider would be based on their racial prejudices because of the colour of their skin and even when we we re colour of their skin and even when we were training to be Police Officers, i remember that we had one particular trainer who was very open in his views. His words were if we rock up to a call when there is a group of eight or nine young plaque quys group of eight or nine young plaque guys wearing hoodies, they are going to get spun and turned over. My response was why . In this scenario that youve sort of concocted, there is no other information other than the fact that they are young, black men, and that they are wearing hoodies and that is the only factor in your Decision Making in that they are going to get searched. Do i believe that officers are using their pourwe are believe that officers are using their pour we are inappropriately . The majority i would say are not doing that. We act based on the information we receive and the individual circumstances we are responding to. You accept there is a small number of officers who are misusing their powers and it is as a result of that, thats causing problems between the police and certain ethnic communities, isnt it lam not certain ethnic communities, isnt it i am not saying they are misusing their powers. There were complaints that have been made that have been investigated and maybe it has been found that there werent the grounds there for the search, but we are a massive organisation and some people will make mistakes or get it wrong. In the last year the metropolitan police carried out nearly 136 stop and searches. Down from 152,000 the year before. The home office tells us year before. The home office tells us stop and search reforms are working, but are all Police Forces across the country using the tactic fairly . Nick is a former leicestershi re fairly . Nick is a former Leicestershire Police chief inspector. I think there are still Police Officers across the country who are misusing their powers, yes. Its less than it was three or four, four, five years ago. By misuse, they havent got the grounds to use them or they are using the incorrect power or they are using, whether it is conscious or unconscious bias, prejudice, discrimination. Since he was a teenager, nick has been stopped and searched more than 30 times whilst off duty. There will be a lot of people watching who will find it staggering that somebody like yourself, a police inspector, is being stopped and searched . Yes. And the interesting comparison is if i talk to my former colleagues and ask them how many times they have been stopped by the police, some have never been stopped which i a lwa ys have never been stopped which i always find amazing because i have been stopped since i was 17 years old. So i think it is the comparison. Its like why is it me . And why is it not, you know, former colleagues, who have a different skin colour to me . For many young black men like me, ourfirst interactions with the police tend to be to stop and search, which often leads to no further action because ofa leads to no further action because of a lack of evidence. The police say they make no apology when it comes to saving lives. I have seen numerous stabbings on the street and someone has been Walking Around carrying a weapon on that person for that to happen. If we had stopped and searched them before that, it could have been avoided. This is why it is incredibly important and it does save lives. The home office told us no one should be stopped because of their race or ethnicity. They will have to explain disparities in the areas because if it is misused, it can damage policing. Let me read you these messages. This is from someone who has not left their name, i grew up who has not left their name, i grew up wanting to be a detective, but being mixed race in south london, i was not educated about my rights and i was targeted by the police co nsta ntly i was targeted by the police constantly from 14. Understandably savvy job to constantly from 14. Understandably savvyjob to do, but when you are stopped and searched multiple times before you have omitted a crime, you are put in a box. I understand the police have a job to do. I am a changed man now, after committing crime for several years, but i whiz wonder, what if i had never been searched all of those times . I a lwa ys searched all of those times . I always wonder. A metropolitan officer says, i will not be watching your programme again. Stop and search certainly does not target particular groups of people. Another says, the conclusion of all of the black men and boys on your programme is the met police are racially profile in black people. Another says, stopping people based on the way they walk, dress, speak and indeed there ethnicity or skin colour is not law enforcement. We will talk to the father of a teenage boy who was fatally stabbed in london earlier this year outside his school. He believes in stop and search and says it must continue. Still to come. Allegations of harassment at westminster continue to emerge, we ask politicians whether what is being suggested by mrs may and other Party Leaders is going to be enough to tackle it. We will be meeting pride of britain fundraiser of the yearjake who lost his wife to cancer and he is hoping to realise their dream of having a child through a surrogate. Time for the latest news. Leaked documents known as the Paradise Papers reveal that apple moved its profits tojersey after a tax loophole in ireland was closed. The arrangement isnt illegal but means the Technology Giant saves billions in corporation tax. Apple says it remains the Worlds Largest taxpayer. The government in jersey the government injersey says it will be investigated. The files also show formula 1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax on a £16. 5 million luxuryjet by importing it into the isle of man in 2013. His lawyers say the process was lawful. Donald trump has been greeted with full ceremony in south korea on the latest leg of his tour of east asia. His 24 hour visit comes as tensions remain high on the korean peninsular. Speaking at a News Conference in seoul, President Trump said he believed his policies towards north korea were beginning towards north korea were beginning to have some impact and he suggested the north may be persuaded to negotiate. The husband of a british womanjailed in iran has said the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, should correct an error he made when he was talking about the case. Mr johnson told mps that Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe has been training journalists. Her husband, richard, says she was on holiday. The legal authorities in iran have threatened to increase the five year sentence imposed on her. The Prime Minister has asked for the ministerial code of conduct to be tightened after an mp apologised for Holding Secret meetings with israeli officials in the summer. Priti patel, the International Development secretary, apologised for not informing the Foreign Office and suggesting Boris Johnson knew in advance of the visit. Labour said the shocking admission warranted a Cabinet Office inquiry. That is the summary of the latest bbc news. Good morning. Welcome to the programme. Sport again. David moyes is the new west ham boss. They sacked slaven bilic yesterday. He has signed a two and a half year deal. Hisjob is yesterday. He has signed a two and a half year deal. His job is to yesterday. He has signed a two and a half year deal. Hisjob is to keep west ham in the premier league. Steven finn is that of englands ashes tour after tearing cartilage in his knee. The first test starts on the 21st of the month. England already without ben stokes. The race that stops a nation, the melbourne cup in australia, incredible finish as the 14 1 shot overtook in the closing sprint. The trainer of the winning horse wasjoseph 0brien. The trainer of the horse he beat to the line was his father, the best in the line was his father, the best in the world. Passing from one generation to the next westminster Party Leaders have agreed to introduce a new grievance procedure for staff to deal with misconduct allegations. It follows a week which has seen allegation after allegation of Sexual Harassment and assault for a number of mps. This wave of accusations and investigations began last month with the suspension of labour mpjared 0mara over claims he used misogynistic and homophobic comments. Four days later, the International Trade minister, mark garnier, is investigated by the Cabinet Office after admitting asking his secretary to buy sex toys. Then came claims in the times the man effectively theresa mays deputy, damian green, fleetingly touched a younger womans me and sent her a suggestive text. The Cabinet Office launches an investigation. The first secretary of state calls the claims are untrue and deeply hurtful. The labour party launch an investigation after a well known activist said she had been raped at a party event in 2011 and she was discouraged from reporting the attack. A day later, big name resignation, sir Michael Fallon quits as defence secretary saying his behaviour in the past may have fallen short of standards expected. I have behaved in the past clearly in a way that has occasionally been below the standards we require of the armed forces. I do not think it is right for me to go on as defence secretary, expecting the very highest standards of our servicemen and women and failing to meet them myself. Last thursday evening, labour suspended the mp Kelvin Hopkins over allegations of Inappropriate Conduct made by a Party Activist which he categorically denies. Friday, it is the turn of another labour mp to deny allegations, clive lewis is being investigated over claims he groped a woman at the conference. Being investigated over claims he groped a woman at the conferencelj do groped a woman at the conference. do not as a rule at Labour Party Conference grope peoples bottoms. It is not how i roll, not what i do. Is the person mistaken . Have i given them a hug and this has been misinterpreted . I dont know. All i know is i would not deliberately do that. Tory mp Charlie Elphicke is suspended a day later after serious allegations are referred to police. He denies any wrongdoing. Sunday, the investigation into damian green widens. Pornography was found on one of his parliamentary computers in 2008. He describes the claims as false. Conservative mp then resigns as government whip after being accused of making an unwanted path ata accused of making an unwanted path at a former 0lympic rower and conservative activists alex story in 2001. Three tory mps are referred to the partys Disciplinary Committee after allegations about their conduct. Daniel potter and Daniel Kochanski deny wrongdoing. Stephen crabb admits saying some pretty outrageous things to a woman after interviewing her for outrageous things to a woman after interviewing herfor a job. Yesterday another claim, the conservative Party Activist tells this programme she was raped by someone more senior in the party but that her complaints to the house of commons authorities were completely ignored. I remember the attack during the attack, i remember the room disappearing around me and thinking i was going to die. When he left the next day, i was at the Police Station within an hour. We can speak now to ian blackford, leader of the snp in the house of commons in westminster who was at the meeting yesterday, the labour mp, catherine west, who was elected in 2015, and alistair carmichael, the liberal democrat chief whip. He is on his way to the millbank studios. Ian blackford, do you think the outcome of the meeting was enough . We have agreed we will set up enough . We have agreed we will set upa enough . We have agreed we will set up a working group with that aim we have a grievance procedures in place by the beginning of next year, the outline of what will be proposed has to come together by the 1st of december. I think it is important we work on a cross party basis. We should be under no doubt what the public expects, to show leadership. How does having a grievance procedure finally in place stopped mps behaving so appallingly . We have to set out zero tolerance of bad behaviour, bad sexual behaviour, bullion. We have to see it as a watershed moment, leadership has to be shown across the Political Parties and we have to say anybody behaving unacceptably, they will pay a price, there will be consequences. Anyone that comes across in constituency offices, they will know they will be protected, that they will be encouraged to come forward with any allegations of bad behaviour and this will be taken seriously. This is our one chance to show we are serious about this, not just about parliament, it is about behaviour right through society and we have to take leadership on this and will betide anybody that plays with that. All Political Parties have to accept responsibility. Are you satisfied with the grievance procedure outcome . We are in the foothills because we have to then have the working party looking at the detail but it is fantastic to see the Party Leaders around a table speaking to each other face to face rather than across the floor of the commons and also this is so shocking and everybody is shocked by it, right from the journalists who have been subject to it from time to time, right through to very serious Sexual Assault allegations which are being looked at by the police. Are you confident that people who work on the parliamentary estate, whether they be researchers, activists, lobbyists, journalists, mps, cabinet ministers, how may step up mps, cabinet ministers, how may step up and behave normally, properly, and with respect . They have to. Are you confident they can . Yes. People have to. Criminal activity, they will lose their seats. It is not criminal activity, just grim behaviour. We must make it absolutely clear society has to change, the kind of issues that have come to light not acceptable. This is the opportunity for politicians to ta ke is the opportunity for politicians to take a lead and show there has to be respect. 0ne to take a lead and show there has to be respect. One of the things that has to come out of this is training, for 4 star. Has to come out of this is training, for 4star. What do you mean, consent classes . 4star. Consent classes. Do you agree . So many people come into parliament from many different walks of life, many have never employed anybody, others are hr managers, a huge gap between some people coming in. Wherever you have come from into parliament, you have come from into parliament, you know not to pinch someones backside, do you know not to send them the sexually explicit text when they have applied for a job, Everybody Knows that. You would have thought so, but unfortunately, some have not lived by that code. Alistair carmichael has justjoined us. The chief whip for the liberal democrats. Good morning. Yesterday your party suspended an mp and referred allegations to the police. An activist claimed lib dem hq hushed up the rape complaint made against a Party Activist. What is this culture of wanting to push things up . You said we had suspended a Memberof Parliament things up . You said we had suspended a member of parliament yesterday, thatis a member of parliament yesterday, that is not it. The case you are referring to, an allegation of a rape was made and that was passed on to the police. I do not think it is fairto to the police. I do not think it is fair to characterise that as some sort of cover up. Fair to characterise that as some sort of coverup. Right, ok. There isa sort of coverup. Right, ok. There is a desire, you have to acknowledge. As the chief whip, there was a desire, notjust the chief whip of the lib dems, but there is a desire to protect the party rather than show duty of care to individuals . No, there is no doubt this has been. That has perhaps been the way business has been done in the house of commons in the past and we have all in our different parties had instances of cases where it could have been done better. I think the message that came very clearly from yesterdays meeting is that what ever has been donein meeting is that what ever has been done in the past, whatever the inadequacies of that, we have all learned at different times, in my party, very robust procedures in case a couple of years ago, that the culture has changed and people who have suffered this treatment in the past or might suffer it now, they should feel able to come forward and report it in the confidence the investigation will be proper and robust. Does that mean you are saying that you do not have information about the misdemeanours of mps that you are keeping to yourself in order to put pressure on them at some point to vote a particular way on an issue . Blackmail . Absolutely not. There has been no time where i have ever used information i have held about somebodys misdemeanours in order to get them to behave in a certain way. That has not been the way we have done business. If somebody came to you and suggested that someone senior in the liberal democrats had sexually harassed them. What would you do with that information . There is a process to be gone through here. In the liberal democrats we have a Pastoral Care officer whose job it is to take complaints like that to deal with them, either within the party or if it involves a case of serious criminal behaviour, they have to help that person make complaint to the person. Police. The individual should probably be suspended in the meantime. Yes. If they are a party member, they should be suspended. There seems to be an issue regarding alcohol according to a come we spoke to who said she had seen women plied with drink in the parliamentary bars and women were treated as meat. Is that fair . Well, i think some of the bars should close. We should have strangers where you can invite a um can have constituents in for a friendly pint and it is well managed that bar, but some of the others, like the sports and social, why people cant go out of parliament and have their drink out there and then it is not a parliamentary problem. So just push it somewhere else . Once you are out there, you have police. You have licensing regulations and so on. At the moment. How many bars are theren ot parliamentary estate . There are a number of bars. We have to clean up our act. Do you agree, close them all, apart from one . There is an issue with sports and social. I dont like sports and social. I dont like sports and social. I dont like sports and social. I never go there. The atmosphere about the place is something i would question. Atmosphere about the place is something i would questionm atmosphere about the place is something i would question. It is aggressive. Sorry, it is aggressive . You walk in and it feels like an old boozer. It is not a workplace. How many people is there a bar in the bbc where your people can pop down for a bbc where your people can pop down fora drink bbc where your people can pop down for a drink after this show, have a drink and come back to work . M for a drink after this show, have a drink and come back to work . It is not modern. Some of our audience say ta ke not modern. Some of our audience say take away the subsidy. not modern. Some of our audience say take away the subsidy. I dont think any parliamentarian wants to be in a environment where it is being subsidised. Change it then. Dont just make the point, do something. Thats what we did yesterday by setting up this working group. We need to move ahead quickly and we need to move ahead quickly and we need to move ahead quickly and we need to make sure that we can be a modern people that treats people with respect. It has to be protecting the rights of all our members. This is the opportunity to get this right and if we dont do harks the public willjudge us and judge us rightly on the failure to act in an appropriate manner. With he need to make sure that people are protected and we take a lead through society. Im told there is a sign outside the sports bar, what happens here stays here. Violators will be shot. This goes back to the culture. We want to have from what i can see the Party Leaders sitting around the table which they havent done on Northern Ireland or brexit or any of the other things which are happening, they are doing it because we have to take responsibility now. And we have to change the culture. 0k. Thank you all. Thank you very much. Catherine, ian, and allister. Thank you. Coming up well be talking to two people who receive universal credit as the government is being warned that foodbanks could struggle to meet demand this winter unless urgent action is taken. A husband who lost his wife to cancer is hoping to realise their dream of having a child through a surrogate. Emmy coates died injune, just 18 months after shed been diagnosed with thyroid cancer. She was 31. Shed blogged about her dream of becoming a mum and said husband jake would be the best dad in the world. Theyd discovered they were pregnant with a surrogate just weeks before her death. Together, emmy and jake had raised over £140,000 for the Royal Marsden hospital in london, by cycling across europe and tonight, on itv, youll be able to see jake pick up his daily mirror pride of britain award for fundraiser of the year. She will kill me for saying it, but there is one nurse we named our tandem after called tara hurly who an angel from heaven who has given me sop much strength and she gave emmy so many smiles and so much laughter and the Royal Marsden hospital is the most incredible place and i feel very honoured. Applause well, fi guess theyjust dont make gentlemen like you anymore. No, i think they broke the mould when they made him. Ijust want to congratulate you because you really, you really, really, really, deserve this award. Applause thank you, amanda. Thank you, joan and congratulations once again. Applause to emmy and jake coates. Applause and jake joins us now. How are you doing . I was getting emotional hearing you talk about it. It is quite close sometimes. Of course. Im going to ask you about emmy and tell our audience when you first met her . We met when we were 11 years old. We met 24 days to the day we got marred kid and we went to secondary school in hereford cathedral. When you were 13 you said, you said that she was your lobster. What did you mean . That refers to a wonderful friends episode where phoebe remarks on ross and rachel as being lobsters and a p pa re ntly and rachel as being lobsters and apparently lobsters mate for life. So my point to that was that, you know, we were always kind of meant to be and we would always be together. Imean together. I mean you did split up, but then you got back together a decade later. And you knew you were planning on proposing when you discovered a lump in her neck, is that right . Yes. So, we really hadnt been back in touch very long. We got back in touch in october 2015, over social media. We got back in touch in october 2015, oversocial media. I we got back in touch in october 2015, over social media. I was in australia working as a doctor. I came back to visit at christmas and she came out in the february half term and over that time, i was so certain that this was exactly what i wa nted certain that this was exactly what i wanted and you know, i thought it would be the best thing, that i started planning the proposal, buying the ring and i planned to propose in march, in the philippines on holiday, a wonderful holiday, but when she came out in february, i have got this muscle in my neck would you mind giving me a massage and it was just straightaway, she had these very rubbery kind of bunch of grape limpth nodes innier neck, you are taught at med school, they area sign you are taught at med school, they are a sign of badness. It doesnt mean thyroid cancer, but it often means something nasty. You were worried straightaway. Your concerns we re worried straightaway. Your concerns were right. How shocking was it for you both to receive that news . Yeah, that was pretty awful. I sent, i said go, back have a neck biopsy. She went back and they rushed it and did it within a couple of weeks. The results came back but because i knew it had spread to the limpth nodes, i knew it was bad. I flew back the moment she got the diagnosis and it was only, it was very quick from then on really. She had been waiting a long time. She had been having symptom for a long time, almost two yea rs, symptom for a long time, almost two years, but once we got that, jumped that hurdle, everything just kind of fell like dominoes and we were referred to the Royal Marsden very quickly and i cant even begin actually, it breaks my heart now thinking about those days when she was diagnosed because it was a really tough time. 0ne really tough time. One of the things that stands out and there are many about emmy is that she, it seemed like she wanted to co nfro nt that she, it seemed like she wanted to confront it. Yes. And with the time that was left, get on with it and live life . Yeah. I think that was it. I think thats the thing, thats garnered the most support from people and the public, one thing was raising awareness of cans nears young people, and raising money for an amazing place like the royal marred den, but she ended up kind of with her blog and with her outlook in life, her attitude to the cancer, this overwhelming adversity was so incredible. I think she pulled everybody else with her, along with her, she certainly pulled me along. She gave me the confidence to keep going and i think much of the 18 months when she was ill, we lived in denial because i think we both thought she would have a lot longer really. They gave her a 10 prognosis of living five years. It wasnt a question that she was going to be that 5 , she had the gumption and belief. You did this magnificent cycle ride to raise all this money. But that, that must have been really challenging at times particularly for her, obviously . Yeah. You wouldnt have known it though. Really. She was so strong. She was very gifted athlete anyway. But she, imean, on very gifted athlete anyway. But she, i mean, on a tandem, you are quite close to each other and she had her head orface close to each other and she had her head or face about a foot away from my bum more about four weeks. She must have loved it. Yeah, but you know, we had battling winds and rain the whole time and she didnt complain once. She was amazing. Did fund raising help both of you . Complain once. She was amazing. Did fundraising help both of you . Yeah. Undoubtedly. 0ver that period of time we gave ourselves lots of things to focus on. We got married. It was a huge thing. Having a kind of small steps, thinking about things a few months away, maybe a holiday or something to tick off the bucket list and the fund raising was that. The block and the fund raising, that whole kind of thing that grew was something that really gave us both a lot of strength and the fund raiding, when you see it ticking over and so many people also fund raiding on you are behalf. This is thanks to everybody really who has done so much for us. So that gave her so much positive energy. Before emmy died, you made this incredible decision to try and have a baby using the eggs that she had frozen before chemotherapy had begun and using a surrogate and actually before she died, the surrogate was pregnant . Yes, thats right. So, about two weeks before she passed away, when emmy was kind of last fully with us, compus mentus, we had a positive pregnancy test, we had three. Liz came to our house and it was a wonderful day. Emmy, we were so rushed off our feet over the previous weeks, she had nothing left. So by the time we had the pregnancy test back positive, it was only half an hour, she was falling asleep. She was fully empty. She had nothing left. And then u nfortu nately, nothing left. And then unfortunately, i didnt see it coming. I mean in retrospect having looked at her and how frail she had become, i should looked at her and how frail she had become, ishould have, but shejust had become very, very weak and she, it had just come after a course of radiotherapy and afterwards you get tired, but she didnt quite wake up this time and then rushed her back to hospital. There was nothing acutely different, it was just progression and we decided, i decided to get her home. She wanted to go home and i didnt want her dying in hospital. So we took her home. It is so upsetting. But she knew the surrogate was pregnant. Thats right. That was huge. That was massive for her. But sadly the pregnancy was ectopic and the baby lost, but you are going to try again. Thats right. That was a really tough time. Afterwards, feeling numb and not knowing what was going on, liz the surrogate who is just was going on, liz the surrogate who isjust an was going on, liz the surrogate who is just an angle said she had an ectopic and we spent a couple of daysin ectopic and we spent a couple of days in hospital dealing with that, but it was never a question in my mind that i would do it again and liz as well has been amazing. She has come forward and said, i would love to do this again for you. You told your story to the daily mirror. I wonder what you think about the future. Its, i guess, so uncertain. I dont want to breathe too heavily because i so desperately wa nt too heavily because i so desperately want this to happen. You are in the lap of the gods as it were, if this can happen, it would be the most amazing thing. To have a little part of emmy, it would mean everything because at times it has been really dark and having something to kind of focus on the future would be massive. I know how much emmy wanted it and massive. I know how much emmy wanted itandi massive. I know how much emmy wanted it and i want it for her. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, jake. Thank you for coming in. Well done on the award. Thank you very much. Emmys blog, people can go to it and see her writing . Absolutely. This is what i want to try and do, keep the message alive. She had a motto which was smile, love and be kind. It was really simple, but people latched on to it. Say it again. Smile, love and be kind. People re evaluated their own lives, not just be kind. People re evaluated their own lives, notjust their health, what can they do differently, if she can do it facing what she faced what excuse do we have to worry and kind of feel sorry for ourselves, you know. It is a massive privilege to be able to take that message on and keep that message alive. Thank you very much, jake. Thank you for telling us about emmy. You can watch the pride of britain awards tonight at 8pm on itv. Lets get the latest weather update. That has not been the way we have done business. Heavy rain this morning in queensbury not too far from edinburgh, it has been wet. Also went edinburgh, it has been wet. Also we nt a cross edinburgh, it has been wet. Also went across cumbria, a band of rain sinking south. Behind it, turning colder. Temperatures at the moment in belfast, six. We started off with higher values but as the cold front went through, the temperature dropped. Temperatures holding true around the band of rain. Some of the rain has been heavy, a lot of surface water and spray on the roads. The band will continue to journey slowly south east through the day. Ahead of it, quite a lot of cloud, showers, blustery. Behind it, cloud, showers, blustery. Behind it, cloud but brightening up with sunshine and showers across scotland and Northern Ireland. Into the afternoon, we still will have the band of rain across yorkshire, lincolnshire, derbyshire, the midlands, ahead of it, still a fair bit of cloud, showers, and temperatures still in double figures. Around the band, it will be blustery, gusty winds along the south coast, and behind the band, brighter spells, some sunshine and a few showers. This afternoon across much of wales, showers, sunshine coming out across western parts of wales. Northern ireland, a lot of sunshine with some showers in the west. Some of those are likely to be heavy and possibly thundery. As they are across western parts of scotland. The rest of scotland, dry afternoon with lengthy sunny spells. Temperature wise, in manchester, about 11 degrees. As the band of rain goes through, we are looking at eight this afternoon. This evening and overnight, the band of rain continues to drift south east as a weakening feature. Behind it, clearing skies, cold night. In rural areas, it will be lower, so we could be looking at temperatures well below freezing for some with a touch of frost and patchy mist and fog. Tomorrow, the remnants of todays front slowly clearing, High Pressure still with us, and other weather front coming in from the west introducing wet and windy conditions again with gales in the north west but a lot of dry and sunny weather. In the south east, a bit more cloud and temperatures here up to 11. Hello its tuesday, its 10 oclock, im victoria derbyshire. This morning. The controversial policy of stop and search is it an important measure in tackling knife crime or does it just lead to alienation of the black community . Ive been stopped over 70 times because of my colour. Even now i do something good for the community, i get stopped. 0ur report in the next hour and really keen to hear your experiences too. We will speak to someone whos son was stabbed to death. Plus, a woman seeking a private rain prosecution tells this programme she hopes to lead the way for those let down by the courts. When i worked up, i had never seen him before and i was on a hotel bed. I woke up cold, with a sheet on me that had a really particular texture to it and i knew it wasnt mine. Did you have any clothes on . No, iwas it wasnt mine. Did you have any clothes on . No, i was completely naked. You can hear her interview before 11. And foodbanks could struggle to meet demand this winter u nless struggle to meet demand this winter unless urgent action is taken to improve universal credit. We will hear from those affected. The latest news now with rebecca. Leaked documents analysed by the bbcs panorama and the International Consortium of investigative journalists reveal apple moved profits to jersey after a tax loophole in ireland was close. The arrangement isnt illegal, but it means the Technology Giant saves billions in corporation tax. Apple says it remains the Worlds Largest taxpayer. The files also showed formula 1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax on a luxuryjet he bought by importing it to the isle of man. 0ur economics correspondent has more. Commentator hamilton is World Champion. Five years ago, Lewis Hamilton bought his own luxuryjet worth £16. 5 million. It was something hed always wanted. This is your plane. If i geta plane, im going to pimp it out . Paint it red, yeah . Exactly. Injanuary, 2013, the formula 1 champion landed his new private plane at the isle of mans airport, importing it there. Isle of man Customs Officials met him at 6 15am to finalise the paperwork and sign off on a vat refund of £3. 3 million. I cant believe i have my own plane still, after all these years. Under eu rules, youre only meant to get a refund if the jets used for commercial purposes, but the documents suggest hamilton was planning to spend a third of his flying time on personal use, and hes not alone. The leaks also show the isle of man paid £790 million in vat refunds to jet leasing companies. If theyre using it for private purposes, the fact that all this money is being refunded is quite shocking. You should not be getting vat back if its private usage and youre getting vat back. Mr hamiltons lawyer said the arrangement was lawful. The documents also reveal how the iphone maker apple used a British Crown dependency to keep its tax bill down. We pay all the taxes we owe, every single dollar. We not only comply with the laws, but we comply with the spirit of the laws. We dont depend on tax gimmicks. In 2014, ireland announced it would Ban Companies with no Tax Residency. That meant apple needed a Tax Residency for its lucrative irish subsidiaries fast, so it sent out a questionnaire courting tax havens and it chose jersey, where its 261 billion pile of cash from selling phones and ipads is now tax resident. Apple said the structure hadnt lowered its taxes and it remained the Worlds Largest taxpayer. Andy verity, bbc news. The jersey thejersey government have responded. In a statement, they say, jersey does not want abusive tax avoidance schemes operating in the island and it expects Financial Service providers to abide by a volu nta ry Service Providers to abide by a voluntary code to say they will not ta ke voluntary code to say they will not take on this kind of business. The allegations will be investigated and we are asking the icij to provide releva nt we are asking the icij to provide relevant documents to support this action. The husband of a british iranian woman jailed in action. The husband of a british iranian womanjailed in iran has urged the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, to attract in parliament and error he made in talking about the case. Mrjohnson told mps Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe had been training journalists. Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe had been trainingjournalists. Her Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe had been training journalists. Her husband, richard, said she was on holiday. The legal authorities in iran have threatened to increase the five year sentence imposed on her. Victoria will be talking to richard, the husband of the british woman jailed in iran, at10 25am. The Prime Minister has asked for the ministerial code of conduct to be tightened after an mp apologised for Holding Secret meetings with israeli officials in the summer. Priti patel the International Development secretary apologised for not informing the Foreign Office and suggesting Boris Johnson knew in advance of the visit. Labour said the shocking admission warranted a Cabinet Office inquiry. Us President Donald Trump has been greeted with full ceremony in south korea, on the latest leg of his tour of east asia. His 24 hour visit comes as tensions remain high on the korean peninsula. President trump has said he is hopeful north korea can be persuaded to enter into negotiations but he also warned the north america was prepared to use its military might to defend itself against aggression, if it had to. North korea is a worldwide threat that requires worldwide threat that requires worldwide action. We call on every responsible nation, including china and russia, to demand that the north korean regime end its Nuclear Weapons and its missile programmes and live in peace. As the south Korean People know so well, it is time to act with urgency and with great determination. That is a summary of the latest bbc news. More at10 30am. An e mail summary of the latest bbc news. More at 10 30am. An e mail from summary of the latest bbc news. More at 10 30am. An e mailfrom mark, it is politically correct programmes like yours which want everyone to think they are a victim which has directly led to an increase in knife attacks and acid attacks. I would rather my 16 year old son be stopped and searched every day than the and searched every day than the and be safe. Leftist propaganda shows like yours are making it more difficult for the police. An ex Police Officer says they have had 16 years experience, many serious issues with the met police, one of which is trust. There is no trust. Police officers do not trust other Police Officers so how can members of the public reasonably trust them . Keep those coming in, a further conversation about stop and search after 10 30am. Send me conversation about stop and search after10 30am. Send me an conversation about stop and search after 10 30am. Send me an e mail, facebook, whatsapp, and if you are texting, you will be charged. Sport. David david moyes is the new manager. Stuart pearce in line to come in as his number two could placate the fans. West ham have posted a video of david moyes on social media this morning saying how much he is looking forward to the job. Im really looking forward to meeting the supporters, being in the stadium with them, looking forward to seeing them getting right behind the team. Confirmation of that, the appointment of david moyes this morning. Englands preparation for the ashes has not been perfect, without the all rounder ben stokes after the incident outside a bristol nightclub, and steven finn was brought in to replace ben stokes but now they have lost him. He is flying home for treatment on a knee injury. The first test starts this month and the england coach has already decided on most of the side for the test. I think we are a little bit like australia, probably down to nine of the 11, one or two spots still discussing and we still have two more games to go yet. I am sure it will work itself out before the first test. Finally, it is known as the race that stops a nation, an incredible finish at the melbourne cup. An irish one, two, three. There was an overtaking in the closing sprint. The trainer of the winning horse was joseph sprint. The trainer of the winning horse wasjoseph 0brien, that trainer of the horse he beat of the line was his father, aidan 0brien, and the best in the world. Passing on tips over the breakfast table thank you very much. Next, the governments flagship benefit reform universal credit and claims that foodbank usage has increased drastically in areas where its been introduced. The Trussell Trust, which is the uks biggest foodbank operator, says areas where universal credit has been in place for six months have seen a 30 increase in demand on the previous year. The government say its misleading to link foodbank usage to any one issue. This programme has been following universal credit claimants and spoke recently to two people who have experienced serious Financial Hardship as a result to moving on to the new benefit. Last weekend, weve had no food. My five year olds last food was school dinners. On saturday, we were walking down the street, she was searching in bins for food because she was starving. She was, like, ripping mcdonalds bags to see if there were any chips or anything on the floor. It was awful. Broke my heart. Sunday, there was no food. She was going to bed, her stomach was rumbling. Im hungry, im hungry, im hungry. She had no food saturday, sunday. Went to school really, really hungry. You take her to bed and her tummys rumbling. Youre just giving her water, but she wants food and you cant. I cant go to the shop and steal. Its awful. And i cant keep asking neighbours forfood. I shouldnt have to live like this. Its awful. Ive never struggled like this before in my life. Ive never been in this situation where i could lose my home. Its a big thing. Ill die on them streets. If i do get evicted, i dont know what ill do. I dont know where to go for help. The chances are 50 50, if im going to be homeless or not. Where do i go . I dont know really. I darent think that far ahead. Kids. Kids shouldnt have to go through this. No one should really. With us in the studio are Alison Inglis jones from the Trussell Trust, daphine aitkens who manages hammersmisth and fulham foodbank, and via skype, two claimants of the new benefit brendan faulkner, in leeds, and brian comley, in southampton. And in a moment, well speak to edward boyd, from the centre for socialjustice the think tank set up by former welfare secretary Ian Duncan Smith who designed universal credit. Allison, compared to the same period last year, across the country, you say foodbank usage is up 13 , but in areas where universal credit has been ruled out for six months or moore, a 30 on average increase, how do you get these fingers . Figures . We measured the numbers of people coming to the foodbanks before the roll out of universal credit and after and what we saw was a 30 rise. How many credit and after and what we saw was a 3096 rise. How many foodbanks do you run in total . 420. So it was a small sample. Representative. A wide geographical groupings across the whole of the uk. If the figures are accurate, why do you say there has been a much bigger rise in universal credit areas . As a volunteer in three foodbanks and as a trustee, we recognise the drivers of people coming, they have to bring a voucher with them, and universal credit is being flagged over and over again as one of the reasons why people are coming and the stories we are hearing in the foodbanks. What about you, daphine . Have you seen a rise . What are people saying to you about why they are coming to your foodbank . A very significant rise in hammersmith and fulham. The First Six Months of the financial year, very nearly double the same period of last. We have seen almost 97 increase. They are coming to us primarily because of universal to credit the stories, one of those you heard earlier, one of my clients. No benefits at all. Waiting for payment . Her daughter was looking through bins on the street. With that, there is nothing coming in, notjust that, there is nothing coming in, not just benefits, your that, there is nothing coming in, notjust benefits, your rent, housing benefit. When the department for work and pensions says the reasons for foodbank use are wide and complex and linking it to one issue would be misleading, how do you respond . University of Oxford Research has pinpointed why people are coming and that is benefit sanctions and delays followed by low income as a driver. They say, we are clear advanced payments are widely available from the start of anyones claim and urgent cases are fast tracked so no one should be without funds. This is what they say. The problem with the advance payments is that they have to be paid back almost immediately, the first time you get your universal credit payment, 13 weeks afterwards perhaps, you have to start paying the advance back in quite significant amounts and somebody who already has accrued debt and other Financial Issues including rent arrears, to start paying the debt back immediately on very small amounts of money, it is crazy. I have a client who i saw on friday, her universal credit payment is less than her housing benefit that she has to pay each month. Let me bring in brian. Thank you for coming on the programme. What led you to using a foodbank . Mainly in between benefits when i had to get some food in. I was going to wait six weeks, but then i forced them to sort of think about and give me advance payment on the universal credit which i have got £400 which i have now paid back. Right. And what was that period of time like . Not, i want and what was that period of time like . Not, iwant to and what was that period of time like . Not, i want to really i wasnt really worried about things. I had wasnt really worried about things. Ihada wasnt really worried about things. I had a foodbank that come to me once every friday instead ofjust for the two weeks. You had to wait for the two weeks. You had to wait for one. But yeah, this one was every friday so you would look forward to friday. Yes, but you were reliant on it effectively for a period of time . For a period of time, yeah. Let me bring in edward boyd for the centre for social justice. They designed universal credit. Im really glad youre here because i am desperate to ask why design a system that makes you wait six weeks for the first payment . Thank you for having us on. The thirst thing to say. No. No, just a nswer thirst thing to say. No. No, just answer that question first of all because it is the key theme that comes up every time. You have to split it into two parts. At the moment when you come in as a new claimant, when you get paid your money, you are not paid for the first seven days, when you get your money there is a deficit in terms of the income that you get. That was never anything we designed and there isa never anything we designed and there is a big reason why people are falling into debt. We are relying on foodbanks is something that we are petitioning the government to change. The idea of being paid at the end of the month, take that at the end of the month, take that at the end of the month when someone is being paid is you will mirror what it is like out of work with what it is like into work. The idea here are a group of people who are vulnerable and out of work and you need to do to all you can to support them into work. It is still six weeks before the first payment . No, its not. Its paid in arrears. You take away the first week, it is only five weeks which i think they should be doing and looking to do in the budget. The idea of paying it in arrears. Budget. The idea of paying it in arrears. For most people who move on to universal credit they will be in work already and they will behaving a wage thats paid at the end of the month and it makes sense to sync the two together. If you are talking about people out of work and dont have savings, they should be getting a payment upfront. You get to within two weeks, and if you really need it, the first day you go into a jobcentre, you should be getting it that day. We heard over the Conference Season this year, thats what has been brought in now. So it isa thats what has been brought in now. So it is a really welcome change. I think they had an issue with this about three to four months ago, not enough people were getting budget advances and the work coaches on the ground werent explaining it. Advances and the work coaches on the ground werent explaining itm advances and the work coaches on the ground werent explaining it. It is still a problem because you get an advanced payment and of course, you have to pay that back, of course, you do. By then, youre already in debt. So it sort of spirals. Thats what were hearing from people. The way that this payment works is you pay it over six months, its interest free. Pay it over six months, its interestfree. It doesnt matter. It doesnt matter that its interest free . People, on paper, this sounds really as though it should work. In reality im saying to you, we have heard so many stories from people that it heard so many stories from people thatitis heard so many stories from people that it is not working. That it is making their lives really hard. I dont feel that you are understanding that. Look, we deal with, i help set up a foodbank and i speak to people like this all the time. Trust me we understand that side of things. You cannot compare a stwempl thats not perfect and it is not perfect as it is with the one that came before because that was even worse than the system that we have got now. This is about improving something. have got now. This is about improving something. I wasnt comparing it to the one before. I was wondering why it wasnt better thanit was wondering why it wasnt better than it is. This is about improving the way that welfare works and trying to minimise the number of people that fall through the gaps. You look at how it is working across the whole country though and the data, whether it is from ifs or the government, shows more people are in work and more people are staying in work and more people are staying in work than ever before. So thats a good thing. The fact that people are having to rely on foodbanks is not how it should be. The fact that the advanced payments are not getting to these people is doing that dwp needs to look. There is more people in work as a result. Thank you very much. Thank you to all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. Still to come President Trump has arrived in south korea, on the latest leg of his tour of east asia. Well have the latest. As if theresa may didnt have enough to worry about, shes now got another couple of problems on her plate both of them caused by members of her cabinet. The development secretary, priti patel, has caused her huge embarrassment by holding talks in israel with senior government figures without even telling the Foreign Office. And the foreign secretary himself, borisjohnson, has made unguarded comments about a british women whos being held injail in iran that might mean her being imprisoned even longer. 0ur political guru, norman smith, is here. Hi norman. Hi. In normal circumstances would these two ministers have lost theirjobs by now . I think a lot of people at westminster think yes, they would have been sacked, but because mrs mays cabinet is just so fragile at the moment she cant afford to boot anyone out, but it is a fairly extraordinary set of events that has now unfolding. Normally on tuesday there is a cabinet. There isnt a cabinet today and frankly thats just as well because you suspect a lot of cabinet ministers would sort of looking rather shame faced at the mess they are in. Top of the pile, borisjohnson, as you say, facing mounting criticism after he appears to have worsened the plight of this british iranian woman who has already been jailed for five years by mistakenly suggesting that she had gone to iran to help teach journalism. The iranian authorities have said ah ha, she was here to spread propaganda against our regime and are threatening to double her jail sentence and this all stems from comments mrjohnson made last week at the Foreign Affairs select committee. Lets listen to what he said. When you look at what Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe when you look at what Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe was when you look at what Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe was doing, she was simply teaching people journalism as i understand it. Her husband said thats incorrect. Her employers have said thats just wrong. So wrong we have not had an apology or clarification from mrjohnson, but he is going to phone the Iranian Foreign minister later this morning. Elsewhere, we have priti patel who is been found out being economical with the actuality about going and seeing a whole load of israeli politicians during a holiday in israel, not telling the foreign secretary or anyone in government about it and not being very clear about it and not being very clear about who she was meeting including, it seems, the israeli Prime Minister. Then, of course, at the table, wee have damian green. He is shame faced because hes under investigation about the cabinet 0ffice over improper behaviour, alleged improper behaviour and where he had pornography on his computer. We have got the new chief whip, Gavin Williamson who has just been promoted and a lot of people think he only has been promoted because he is theresa mays best buddy and Andrea Leadsom is facing accusations she was the woman who knifed Michael Fallon by saying mr fallon had made improper remarks to her. My thinking is theresa may is going thank god i dont have a cabinet today thank you very much, norman. We can speak now to the conservative mp Nadhim Zahawi sits on the Foreign Affairs select committee. We can Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffes husband, richard ratcliffe. And the political commentator Daisy Mcandrew is here. Should borisjohnson should Boris Johnson resign . No, i dont think he should resign. The important thing is to focus on Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe this. Is a mother, a wife who was on holiday and has been jailed mother, a wife who was on holiday and has beenjailed and mother, a wife who was on holiday and has been jailed and the mother, a wife who was on holiday and has beenjailed and the Iranian Regimea and has beenjailed and the Iranian Regime a couple of weeks ago were looking at increasing her sentence. Lets not forget what this is about. No one is forgetting the precarious position that Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe finds herself in, apart, it seems, the foreign secretary . Well, i dont think thats right. He on that committee, said that he would personally want to visit nazanin. He will be redoubling his efforts when he speaks to the Iranian Foreign minister. He got his facts wrong ina minister. He got his facts wrong in a very, very, in a way that he should not have got his facts wrong because somebodys life is depending on the kind of comments that the foreign secretary of this country makes. Well, nazanins life is depending on the behaviour of the revolutionary guard court. The irgc and i think lets be careful here. Weve got to make sure that we get nazanin, she isa make sure that we get nazanin, she is a british citizen, and mother and a wife, she was on holiday. So if borisjohnson a wife, she was on holiday. So if Boris Johnson makes a wife, she was on holiday. So if borisjohnson makes mistakes about why she was in the country, he is not going to be able to get her out, is he . And he is going to be on the phone making it very clear to his counterpart in iran that his words to the committee were wrong and he will redouble his efforts to get her out and you know. Has he rung his iranian counterpart already . out and you know. Has he rung his iranian counterpart already . I cant hear you. Well, i dont know because i dont speak for borisjohnson. Im a member of parliament and im on the Foreign Affairs select committee, i want him to redouble his efforts. What i dont want to happen is Emily Thornbury and the labour party to be seen as stodgies. 0h, labour party to be seen as stodgies. Oh, come on. This is wrong. We should focus on the behaviour of the Iranian Regime and put as must pressure on them as possible to get nazanin back home. The way you are talking, it sounds as though you dont really think borisjohnson has done anything wrong . Thats not true, victoria, with all respect. I opened by saying to you he clearly made a mistake. And how damaging is that. He wants to put it right by speaking to his counterpart. What is damaging is the behaviour of the regime and thats what we should focus on. Thank you for talking to us. Richard ratcliffe is here as is Daisy Mcandrew. Hello. How are you . Hi, victoria. It has been a tough few days. So how damaging is it what borisjohnson said and just to let our audience know, he told a Parliamentary Committee that your wife was in iran teaching peoplejournalism, a reference to her role as programme co ordinator with the Thompson Reuters foundation, which is not true. She was not teaching people journalism and days later a Court Hearing in tehran cited mrjohnsons comments as proof she was spreading propaganda. Thats right. He spoke in the Foreign Affairs committee and he said three things. One of which was, the mp hasjust said, he condemned iran for its detention of her. I was pleased. Condemned iran for its detention of her. Iwas pleased. He condemned iran for its detention of her. I was pleased. He said she was training journalism which we were not happy with and he offered to visit. It was great and we picked up on the positives and two days later she was brought in front of the most severe of the rev lieu courtjudges and told there were new charges of spreading propaganda against the regime. Which could lead to her spending more years injail . M depends on how many years. She has been classed as a repeat offender. We will see where it goes. What do you want from Boris Johnson . He made a statement to parliament and we say things sometimes that we dont quite get right and i have said them in interviews as well, but he can in parliament correct it and i think the important thing to, rather than a private phone call to the foreign minister, is in parliament to say listen, nazanin is innocent. She is a mother on holiday and she wasnt training journalist. Thats clear. It is clear to the iranians and it cant be man. Lated in the way that the Iranian Press have been doing since. Are you comfortable to see him stay in hisjob . Since. Are you comfortable to see him stay in his job . It is not my place to say what should happen with the foreign secretary and i dont. Is he good enough to be foreign secretary . I have only interest in one Foreign Policy and that is nazanin andi one Foreign Policy and that is nazanin and i am no nojudge on anything else. I am glad he engaged with nazanins case last week and i am glad he condemned iran. I wouldnt want him to back away. I wa nt wouldnt want him to back away. I want him to continue doing what he can to get her home. Daisy, what do you think . Boris buffoony is only one element of whats going on in westminster. It is the one element that has an impact on your family. The fact that he hasnt yet publicly changed that statement i find extraordinary. Sew said im going to call the iranians, but hasnt said i got it categorically wrong and she wasnt there training journalists. We know he has got a massive track re cord we know he has got a massive track record of buffoonish comments and the lack of detail, but normally in the lack of detail, but normally in the past it has been hanging off a zip wire and it hasnt affected anyone and it has been a laugh. This is not a laugh. This issier serious and this is one of the reasons why people were worried when he got this position because his knowledge of detail or ability to remember detail sometimes has failed him in the past and is doing so again. As foreign secretary, can you be across every detail . No, but this is a huge story that has been running for a long time, an innocent woman being held in iran. He should have known how dangerous it would be if he got it wrong which egypt. He is one of many cabinet ministers making a hash of thejob at the cabinet ministers making a hash of the job at the moment. How is your wife at the moment . Very shaken on saturday, she had just come out of the court. It is what has happened and the previous times being back in solitary. I spoke to her on sunday and she was calmer. It is the disorientation and a fear of what this will mean. I promised her we will keep going. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. We will talk about an exclusive interview we will bring you now with a woman seeking what is thought to be the uks first crowd funded private rape prosecution. She tells us she hopes to lead the way for those let down by the courts. Emily hunt claimed she was drugged and raped in 2015. Police investigated, the cps felt there was insufficient evidence to proceed. She has hired a barrister who believes there are grounds for a criminal prosecution. She has waived her right to anonymity to talk to us this morning. Some of the conversation is ofa morning. Some of the conversation is of a graphic nature and you might not want children to hear. When i woke up, i had never seen him before. I was on a hotel bed. Basically, i woke up cold and with a sheet on me that had a really particular texture to it. I knew it wasnt mine. Did you have any clothes on . No, i was completely naked. And i didnt know what was happening. And then i looked over my shoulder and i saw this man sitting on the hotel bed, leaning up against the headboard, flipping channels and watching tv. And id never seen him before in my life, ever. What condition were you in . I was kind of in and out for a little while. When i finally, properly, came to, i pretty quickly had this light bulb moment that id been drugged. Id never felt like that before. Id never lost five hours of my life completely and totally, and wound up somewhere i didnt know how id got there with someone id never seen before. What condition was he in . He seemed quite relaxed. He was just watching tv, kind of laughing along. Was he compos mentis, sober . Yes, he was. He seemed sober at the time and then ifound out later that he hadnt even had a drop of alcohol. He was completely sober. What did you say . What did you do . Im a bit fuzzy on that, actually. I know that i sort of leaned over, got my things. They were in a pile next to me on the floor. I gathered up my belongings and my handbag and went into the bathroom and kind of hid for at least ten minutes. I phoned a friend and said, theres something really wrong going on here. I dont feel 0k. I feel in a way ive never felt before and theres this guy. And my friend rang the police. Yeah. Do you have any memory of how you ended up in that hotel room on that sunday afternoon . No. The very last thing i remember is having lunch with my dad. We were in a local restaurant we go to quite a lot and we were having lunch. And then the conversation went a bit weird, and thats the last thing i remember. Later, much, much later, you learned that this man had in fact had sex with you. You say he raped you. And your argument was that it was rape because there was no way you could have consented because of the condition you were in. So, when i woke up and was obviously upset, hid in the bathroom. When i came back out, i guess he was trying to reassure me. He said that nothing had happened. I didnt find out until two days later when the police finally told me that he had said there had been sex, but in his opinion, it had been consensual. 0n the night, in the hotel room, because the police had the hotel room immediately, they had found used condoms. That was the first id heard of it. How did you react to it . I was devastated. I was really hoping that he was telling the truth. I probably knew he wasnt telling the truth but denial is a really strong thing. It was terrifying to know, for certain, that id been raped and then the police hadnt told me for two days. I had to get all my own after rape care. I had to get the morning after pill. I had to go get protection against sexually transmitted diseases because the police hadnt done any of that for me. You also learned that this man had filmed you naked and unconscious on the bed and hed masturbated while you slept. Yeah. I actually didnt learn that for about a year. The police didnt tell me until a year after the incident. How did that make you feel . I had a lot of difficulty going through all of this. I felt. How could i have made my appeal . When the cps decided not to charge, i appealed. I couldnt make the appeal properly because i didnt know two really important things. The first being that he had had no alcohol in his system. The second being that, when he was arrested, he had viagra in his possession. I dont know about you, but i cant really imagine that a single guy, Walking Around and going to a pub on a sunday afternoon on his own would need viagra if he had no nefarious plans. And then the final one was finding out about the video. I would have pushed the cps to investigate that further, and they did. They did an appeal on it. Somewhat disturbingly, it turns out that filming me while i was naked and i am told unconscious. Its clear i am unconscious and not asleep. Youve not seen this footage . They offered, and i politely declined. I dont need to see that. There are no naked pictures of me that exist. I really dont want to see that. But im told im quite obviously unconscious. The Crown Prosecution Service did review whether or not any laws were broken and they say none were broken. Toxicology tests showed you had two times over the drink drive limit of alcohol in you. Yeah. They came back negative for any signs of, for example, ghb, which is the date rape drug. There is cctv footage of you, and your alleged attacker, leaving a bar, kissing and Holding Hands as you walked to the hotel. Do you remember any of that . None. I dont remember anything at all. Its like i said earlier, the first time i met him was when i woke up naked next to him. So, i think i was drugged. There are a couple of reasons why the toxicology report is flawed. Its something ive asked both the police and the cps to address, and they havent. It turns out the metropolitan police gave the Toxicology Lab the wrong timeline, which is a really big deal. So, my last memory is around 4pm. The time they gave to the lab is 7pm. The cps say they looked at the cctv footage and considered the fact the toxicology tests were negative for any drugs, other than alcohol, and made the decision there wasnt enough evidence to proceed with the case. The met says they carried out a thorough investigation following your allegations, confirming that the cps concluded there was insufficient evidence to bring a prosecution. They talk about the fact you subsequently made a number of complaints to the met about your investigation. They were passed to the ipcc, that is the independent complaints commission. That was independently reviewed and not upheld. You are now crowdfunding in order to bring a private prosecution against your alleged attacker. Why . Theres a couple of reasons. Again, the first one being that the toxicology is flawed. You cant make a decision on whether or not id had enough alcohol for a straightforward consent case, based on flawed toxicology. How will you prove its flawed . Giving the lab the correct time will change the way they do the maths, to figure out what my levels were. That, in itself, should substantially help my case. The second one is that the cctv does show me all over him. Im told thats a really common effect of mixing alcohol and ghb, that it has an ectasy like quality. The other thing the cctv shows me is me literally falling over on a bench, swaying, being very, very clearly intoxicated. With whatever i was intoxicated on, its very clear that i am not remotely sober, and he is. The toxicology again says he hadnt had so much as a sip of alcohol. So, there is that side of it as well. How would a private prosecution work in practical terms . Its an amazing thing. In the uk, we can, as individuals, hire a barrister to bring a criminal charge, which isnt something i knew before any of this happened to me. And it basically goes forward, like any other criminal case. You have to gather all the evidence, you have to submit in the same way you would with the crown doing it. In some cases, the crown does take it back over and they take it forward. But it is an amazing thing that we, as individuals, can actually bring a criminal charge in a case where the system has let us down, which can result in a rapist going to jail. You must have considered an alternative version of events, which is, you were really drunk, and you had sex with a man and woke up thinking, oh, my gosh, what have i done . Even if i was not drugged, and i do believe i was, even if i was not drugged, i would have been completely incapable of giving consent, even if it were just alcohol. Alcohol is very powerful, you know . There are quite a few people who had a little bit too much to drink and done something that they regretted. I dont know about you, but if i have a little bit too much to drink, inevitably, things go a bit fuzzy but i remember the most embarrassing thing. In this case, i have a complete and total five hour chunk of my memory missing, which is absolutely terrifying. And again, even if it werejust alcohol, given the cctv footage of me unable to stand, my arms are wrapped around him, which you can interpret as flirty, absolutely, but im also using him to stand up. There is no way i could have given consent in a state like that, even if it were just alcohol. What ultimately do you want . Thats a big question. I want a couple of things. The first thing is i want rape to be a prosecutable offence in the uk. Right now, statistics show its not. Under 15 of rapes in the uk are recorded. Of that 15 , conviction rates are abysmal. Theyre in single digits. People give up at some point when speaking to the police. The police do not pass all cases to the cps and the cps does not take all cases forward. I recognise that their mandate is to take forward cases that they feel 100 that they could win and they say that is part of the public interest. I strongly believe that if they had redone the toxicology report with the proper timeline, that my case would be pretty much 100 winnable because youd have clear proof i couldnt consent. No matter how many times i have reminded them that they still havent redone the numbers on the toxicology report, they havent done it, and that, for me, is my strongest bit of evidence. In addition to that, there is the cctv of me falling over and the fact he wasnt drinking. What i want most is my rapist to go to jail. Im not going to pretend anything else. The thing i want after that is for other women in my situation who have been let down to be able to have justice against their rapists and, for them, to be able to go forward and put their rapists injail. That is why with our go fund me page, we are looking to raise £100,000. That, as far as im aware, is about as much as it will take for two cases to go forward from the start. Emily hunt in her bid to raise £100,000 in order to fund a private rape prosecution. If youre black youre eight times more likely to be stopped and searched by a Police Officer than any other ethnic group. Although it has been used around 300,000 times across england and wales in the past year, only 17 of those lead to an actual arrest. For innocent people being stopped in the street can be scary and intimidating and for some, it can lead to distrust of Police Officers. The countrys biggest force, the met, say its vital to reduce knife crime 21 teenagers have been killed in london alone so far this year 15 were stabbed to death. 0ur reporter Noel Phillips was stopped and searched twice within a few months. After he complained about his treatment the met apologised. We bought you his full film earlier, heres a short extract. Radio the person with a knife punched the informant in the face. Were going to a call to a shop in the south of the borough. Were on patrol with the metropolitan polices Rapid Response unit in north london. One of those has pulled a knife out, a flick knife out, and threatened a shopkeeper with it. So, weve got a description. Its a white, 13 to 14 year old, grey tracksuit with blonde hair. Weve been given rare access into one of their most controversial powers, stop and search. Im sure the officer has explained you are being searched because there has been an incident when someone produced a flick knife on a shop keeper. Whats your first name . Officers stopped a 16 year old, who matches the description. Sorry for the inconvenience. Well only keep you a minute. Welljust get this sorted. But, his 15 year old friend who is black, is being arrested. Space for onejuvenile male, please. So, basically, were using our powers for weapons. A flick knife, obviously, being a weapon. In this case, we found drugs on this boy, so hes been arrested. The other one has nothing illegal, so were just going to get his details. Hell be on his way. Mate, stop walking away. Stop walking away. 0verall figures to stop and search shows an overall reduction in the powers being used. But, according to home office figures, if youre black, youre eight times more likely to be stop and searched compared to any other ethnic group. I also know what it feels like to be stopped and searched. In fact, the most recent is at this very spot where im standing. Now i remember four plainclothes officers approaching me. It was all so sudden, all so unexpected. They asked me what i was doing. I pointed in that direction and said i was on my way home. And yet i was still searched. Your behaviour. How you was on your bike. Your behaviour when you were on this bike. Sorry, im allowed to film. At that point, the officer took my phone and stopped me recording what was happening and i was detained and searched. Were going to put some gloves on. Were not looking to blanket search black men. Were looking to search gang members, people that we get calls for service that describe the suspect. If we see someone who matches that description, theyre going to be searched. Noel phillips reporting there. You can see the full version of that report at bbc. Co. Uk victoria. Lets talk to janet hills, chair of the metropolitan black Police Association who spent 24 years in the met. Gwenton sloley who now trains Police Officers at the met and other forces on how to use their stop and search powers. He is also the director of the charity crying sons. And lillian and paul barnes whose son quamari was the second teenager to be stabbed to death in london this year. He died on 23rd january. Quamari was stabbed to Death Outside his school in kensal green. His murderer was sentenced last week for a minimum of 14 years. Paul says if stop and search can stop the killings then it has his full support. We are going to talk to a viewer who got in touch. He is in high wycombe. Thank you for talking to us. I want to ask all of you this one simple question. Have you been stopped and searched . Yes. How many times . Recently, not as much as historically. Over your lifetime . About 20 times. Janet, have you been stopped and searched . Yes. I have it has been in my car, but it amounts to the same thing. Were you a Police Officer at the time . Yes, i was. Wow. Paul have you been stopped and searched uncountable times. Not recently. Not in the last seven yea rs recently. Not in the last seven years since i moved out of croydon, when i grew up in cou dorntion cou ntless when i grew up in cou dorntion countless times. You will know that the commissioner of the met says there is a link between stop and search and reducing knife crime. Do you lillian and paul, do you think she is right . A little bit. A little bit. Personally, ithink, yeah. Stop and search has your support . Yeah, fully. If its going to stop all the killings out there because it has been ridiculous this year. So if its going to stop the killings it has got my full support 101 . Its going to stop the killings it has got my full support 10196. What about you, lillian . Im concerned about you, lillian . Im concerned about how stop and search is carried out. So if they are going to use this as a weapon towards fighting knife crime, then it has to be done reasonably and we do have to have transparency and we do need to know that the information, the statistics on stops that they are carrying out in order to be able to hold anybody accountable in the end . Yes. You train met officers. You are a former gang member yourself. You turned home office advisor. When can an officer stop somebody . Its not when, it is how you do it. I myself support stop and search, but its about how you make that person feel when youre stopping and searching them. It is about when as well because you have to have reasonable suspicion as an officer . Yes, definitely. Thats why we shouldnt base our stuff on the intelligence we get from the matrix. There is a lot of components from the matrix. What is that . The police have a database which is called the Police Matrix which tracks gang members, but it doesnt track drug dealers and other people in the community thats committing crimes. So if we arejust going to thats committing crimes. So if we are just going to look at one component of the matrix we will continue to get it wrong. We need to have the right intelligence to target the right people that are carrying knives and if we look at the consequence of these young people carrying knifes it has become pa rt people carrying knifes it has become part of their uniform. A lot of young people feeling pressured into carrying knives, might welcome a stop and search because it will stop them doing the crime that they dont wa nt to them doing the crime that they dont want to do in the first place. Some young people might welcome the stop and search if they are carrying a knife because it will take the knife from them . Listen, i carried a knife, yeah and i didnt want to ever use a knife, does that make sense . Ever use a knife, does that make sense . It ever use a knife, does that make sense . It was only when i was in a situation that i could have used it andl situation that i could have used it and i didnt use it, i gave up that right. Stop and search, im not against, back to how you make the young people feel, when i was 13 and 14 andl young people feel, when i was 13 and 14 and i committed no crime and i was getting stopped and searched by the police, it made me feel i had no rights. It goes back to educating. Tomorrow i have got a youth club and i have got a person who works for the met coming in to discuss with your people theyre rights when getting stopped and searched. Your people theyre rights when getting stopped and searchedm froze at the end. We got the gist of when you said you were carrying a knife. Do you agree with the commissioner that there is a link between stop and searches, the number of them and a reduction in knife crime . I believe that stop and search can be used as an effective tool by Police Officers to try and combat knife crime. I think that is key, but its part, it should be pa rt key, but its part, it should be part of a package of measures, not solely relied upon to reduce knife crime. There are a lot of reasons that will be society wise based, peer pressures, education, what the young man is talking about, which, young man is talking about, which, you know, needs to be a package of measures that everyone is involved in and multi agency approach which applies to try and reduce the amount of knife crime there is in london. I wonder if i can ask you lillian and paul to explain to our audience, most of whom will never have experienced what you have this year, what it is like when you lose a son who is fatally stabbed outside his school . Its devastating. Everything changes. Your outlook on life changes. Your outlook on life changes. Whats important changes as well. For me, its a daily process. Its not something that you can get over straightaway. Its not something that you can even forget. Every time you wake up, thats the first thing that comes to mind. What about you, paul its a struggle. Its a struggle. Every day, its a struggle. You wake up every morning, we have pictures of him, you know, it has been hard. It has been hard. A very hard year so far. Very hard. What would you say to anybody watching or listening on social media later, who carries a knife . What would you say to them . media later, who carries a knife . What would you say to them . I think first of all, its really, its not a lwa ys first of all, its really, its not always straightforward. Someone can carry a knife, but there is many elements that lead them to take that road in the first place and you cant necessarily tell someone something and they re cant necessarily tell someone something and theyre going to just do it, but i think education plays a big part in that. This week, i went toa big part in that. This week, i went to a mayors summit with all heads of education and the police as well andi of education and the police as well and i was quite astonished to find out that how the safety of young people is dealt with. Its not a consistent approach throughout all the different schools and ijust think that we need to get a hold of things and people do need to consider the well being of the young people and its notjust because its something to be ignored because its something to be ignored because its only affecting a particular group of people. Yes. I understand. You said its about how Police Officers stop and search. How should they be stopping and searching . Its a raising awareness of the young people. Even if you dont find a young person with a knife on the occasion that youre stopping and searching them, educate them on why youre stopping and searching and also we need to stop the cuddly thing of, oh, dont carry a knife. You need to explain what it means when you carry a knife and you end up when you carry a knife and you end up using a knife, the Ripple Effect that it has on the parents, and also yourself because a lot of people are Walking Around with a nightmare when you are awake. Even though you might have stabbed someone and got away with it, your conscience will come and deal with you in the day time. We need to remind the young people of that and the consequences of Walking Around when you have committed those horrific crimes. David, an e mail, i have to sub it. I have been a Police Officerfor 30 yea rs. I have been a Police Officerfor 30 years. I do not know how the police would do theirjob and protect the public they serve without stop and search. I have recovered illegal firearms, knives, playeded articles and loads of thousands of pounds worth of stolen goods. You are not saying janet hills we need to stop stop and search, you are saying what briefly . From a national bpa prospective, we are saying we support the use, the lawful use of stop and search and again, when officers using it, what reassures people and builds trust is the fact that were asking that the body worn cameras are worn when those engagements happen so it addresses issues if thats what is being alleged. Thank you, paul and janet, thank you very much for coming on the programme. Thank you for your company. Were back tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day. Bottom hi there. Yesterday morning it was about the frost, but the sunshine this morning it is the milder conditions, but lots of cloud and rain. You can see from the recent rainfall radar, that rain has been moving in. It has been heavy in places. Look at the bright colours along that weather system and thats going to continue to move its way further east ward through the rest of today. Now, it is not going to quite reach east anglia and the south east properly. There might be one or two spots of rain, but the rain, the main band of rain stays towards the midlands and up into North Eastern parts of england. Further west, sunnier spells. In west wales and northern england, scotla nd west wales and northern england, scotland and Northern Ireland, but turning chillier here. Temperatures dropping by a few degrees. That weather system is still with us as weather system is still with us as we go through into wednesday morning, but with clear skies for many of us tonight. Wednesday morning will start off on a chilly note. A frosty note for many, but lots of sunshine throughout the day. It will stay cloudy across the far south east and there will be more cloud moving its way into clanked and Northern Ireland, outbreaks of rain here, but a good sunshine sandwich in between. Thats it from me. Bye bye. This is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11. Fears for the british womanjailed in iran borisjohnson is to phone his counterpart there, amid concern that comments he made about what she was doing in the country could lead to her sentence being doubled. The point the foreign secretary was making was that this arrest and detention of a uk citizen is not acceptable. Pressure on the International Development secretary after she apologises for Holding Secret meetings with israeli officials during her holiday. On a visit to south korea, President Trump tells all countries to stop trading with north korea, to force pyongyang to stop its nuclear activities. I believe it makes sense for