Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20171114

Of course. That full interview in around 15 minutes time. And the Television Producer and writer, Daisy Goodwin who created the itv drama, victoria has claimed she was assaulted by a Government Official during a visit to number ten. Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until 11am. We won an award last night, i hope you dont mind me mentioning it. It is courtesy of the mind Mental Health charity. Thank you to mind and thejudges health charity. Thank you to mind and the judges who gave us this award. And really its a massive thank you to you, people who trusted us thank you to you, people who trusted us to come on the programme and talk in frank weighs about their Mental Health issues. This is for you. A little later well hear how councils are using bailiffs to collect unpaid debt. Its been described as deeply troubling by the Money Advice Trust really keen to hear from you. Has a council used a bailff on you . Do get in touch and share your experiences this morning use the hashtag victoria live. Our top story. Mps will begin going through a key piece of brexit legislation today the eu withdrawal bill, which will help turn european laws into uk ones. Theyll be scrutinising the bill line by line and have already suggested hundreds of changes, some of them coming from conservative rebels. Yesterday, the brexit secretary, david davis, made a surprise concession, promising parliament would get a vote on the final brexit deal. Our Political Correspondent leila nathoo reports. The Prime Minister. Still the one in charge, theresa may last night at the glittering lord mayors banquet in london, a break from brexit and potential trouble ahead. A key piece of the governments brexit legislation returns to the commons today, and mps are trying to tinker with it. They are proposing hundreds of changes to try to influence ministers approach, and so yesterday an apparent concession to one of their key demands. I can now confirm that once we have reached an agreement we will bring forward a specific piece of primary legislation to implement that agreement. Parliament will be given time to debate, scrutinise and vote on the final agreement we strike with the european union. This agreement will only hold if Parliament Approves it. But with such a fragile majority, just a handful of tory backbenchers siding with the opposition would lead to a government defeat. And those minded to rebel seem unsatisfied with the take it or leave it vote the government has offered. I have to say, a lot of us were insulted by this. I mean, because it sounded so good and then when you dug into the detail you realise this so called meaningful vote was completely meaningless. There will be more contentious votes here in the coming weeks as mps test the governments fragile working majority. Norman smith is at westminster. It is another big day. That concession, which some have put in inverted commas from david davis, is ita inverted commas from david davis, is it a meaningful vote in the end . Mrs mays critics dont think so because the problem is, although there will bea the problem is, although there will be a bill, it wont be like a normal bill. Usually with bills, mps can amend them, change them, they can say to ministers you need to go away and think again and recast this legislation. With this bill it is ta ke legislation. With this bill it is take it or leave it time and if they dont like it, tough. We will leave the eu without any sort of deal and thatis the eu without any sort of deal and that is nightmare land for many remainers. However, they are under massive, massive pressure to back off because some tories are saying, if you rebels defeat mrs may, that is such a big moment that it could possibly amount to a vote of confidence in the government, that might meana confidence in the government, that might mean a general election, it could mean a Jeremy Corbyn government. They are under colossal pressure to back off. And tell us more about mrs mays accusations of russian meddling. Very striking because although mrs may said last night it is not a return to the cold war, you get a sense relations with russia are in the deep freezer big time. Last night mrs may accused russia of annex in crimea, the first time she said that had happened in europe since the nazis and second world war. She accused them of fermenting conflict in the ukraine, engaging in cyber warfare and meddling in elections. Have a listen to some of her language last night. It is seeking to weaponise information, deploying its state run Media Organisations to plant fake stories and Photoshopped Images in an attempt to sow discord in the we st an attempt to sow discord in the west and undermine our institutions. Sol west and undermine our institutions. So i have a very simple message for russia. We know what you are doing and you will not succeed. Now, just imagine that borisjohnson has to go to russia next month. How difficult is it going to be for the foreign secretary to go there and try to foster better relations with president putin in the wake of those attacks from mrs may. For now, thank you. Ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Human rights watch says the Burmese Security forces have committed widespread abuses during what they call a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya Muslim population. The organisation said Government Forces have committed mass killings, rape, arbitrary detention, and arson. More than half a million rohingya have fled a military offensive in the north of the country. Well have a film including testimony from the refugees just after ten oclock. A tory activist who says she was raped has told this programme that she feels fobbed off, despite receiving a phone call from the leader of the house. Andrea leadsom called lisa wade, whos waived her right to anonymity, last night, several months after the incident was first reported to her. Ms leadsom said she could not have acted on the report at the time because of an ongoing legal case. Well hear from lisa at 9. 30am. The Television Producer and writer, Daisy Goodwin who created the itv drama, victoria has claimed she was groped by a Government Official during a visit to number ten. She told the radio times the man put his hand on her breast after a meeting to discuss a proposed tv show when David Cameron was Prime Minister. She said she wasnt traumatised, but was cross adding she didnt report it at the time. Downing street said they take all allegations very seriously and would look into any formal complaint, should one be made. Thousands of people are spending a second night without shelter in near freezing conditions after an earthquake caused devastation in parts of iran and iraq. More than a50 people were killed and around 7,000 injured. Sarah corker reports. This is the deadliest earthquake in the world this year. The border town of pol e zahab here in western iran bore the brunt of it. Homes were flattened in seconds, crushing everyone inside. The search for survivors has been frantic. But early this morning, iranian officials called off the rescue operation. At this local hospital, many of the injured had stories of narrow escapes. Translation i fell from the balcony down. The earthquake was very strong. This mountainous area is prone to earthquakes. Power cuts and landslides have made it difficult for rescue teams to get in. The most severely hurt have been airlifted out, some taken to hospital in the iranian capital, tehran. But, overwhelmed by the sheer number of injured, the authorities are appealing for people to donate blood. And this is the moment this 7. 3 magnitude quake hit in neighbouring iraq. A man runs for his life from the control room of this dam. Boulders were tossed around like pebbles. A picture of widespread devastation is emerging hundreds dead, thousands injured, many missing. Turkey has sent a convoy of aid trucks, medication, tents and blankets, and many have spent a second night outdoors, terrified by the after shocks. So far, there have been more than 190 of them. A man and woman have been arrested on suspicion of murdering a teenager who has not been seen for nearly a week. 19 year old gaia pope, who has severe epilepsy, was last seen on the 7th november. Dorset police say a 19 year old man and a 71 year old woman were arrested after searches took place at two addresses in swanage. Officers say they were both known to gaia. Head teachers representing more than 5,000 schools across england have sent a joint letter to the chancellor, philip hammond, warning of inadequate funding. They say they are increasingly having to ask parents for donations. The government has already promised to move £1. 3 billion of Education Funding into schools, but heads say they need another £1. 7 billion of new money. One of the victims of an acid attack in a london nightclub has told the bbc that she hopes the conviction of the man who assalted her will put others off committing similar crimes. Arthur collins the ex boyfriend of reality tv star ferne mccann was found guilty of throwing acid across a crowded nightclub, injuring 22 people. He will be sentenced in december. Lauren trent told us she still struggles with anxiety more than six months after the attack. Being in busy places, im extremely anxious. If i cant see the dance floor, or if i cant see whats going on, or if a fight breaks out, you know, the first thing that goes through my head nowadays is, what are they going to do . What are they going to pull out . Its only up until now that we can talk about things and hear how everyone went through the trial and things like that. I think, a massive sense of relief, but it doesnt change what happened whatsoever, but i think its more of, you know, 0k, well, somethings been done thats setting the standard now for anyone, you know, thats thinking about doing Something Like this. Its putting them off doing Something Like that. Britains biggest supermarket tesco has been given the green light to buy out our biggest food wholesaler booker. The competition and markets authority says the deal does not raise competition nor pricing concerns. Booker has a retail arm including brands premier, londis and budgens but also makes money in the catering industry. Tesco said the tie up would bring benefits for small retailers, suppliers, consumers and staff. A leading debt charity says its deeply troubled by the increasing use of bailiffs by local authorities in england and wales to recover money they are owed. The Money Advice Trust found the number of cases had risen by 14 over two years to 2. 3 million. The local Government Association said bailiffs are only used as a last resort. The largest diamond of its kind every to be put up for auction will go under the hammer in geneva today. The i63 carat stone, which was discovered in angola last year, is set into a necklace of almost 6,000 emeralds, and over 800 smaller diamonds. It took ten months to cut and is expected to fetch 30 million dollars, which is almost 23 million pounds. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9. 30. We have had an e mailfrom megan about bailiffs. Figures suggesting councils are using them more and more to collect unpaid parking fines. Megan had a stressful experience during a parking fine that had been sent to a previous address so i wasnt aware though of it. I attempted to discuss this with the council who refused and said communication should be made with the bailiffs. Having a baby and being on maternity pay, i was fea rful being on maternity pay, i was fearful these bullies would turn up on my doorstep. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged. Lets get some sport from catherine downs. We are going to have a world cup without italy. Yes, italy will not be at the world cup for the first time in 60 years. Four time world cup winners and they will not be going after they were beaten by sweden in the end. What went wrong perhaps for italy . The coachis went wrong perhaps for italy . The coach is blamed for relying on a group of experienced veterans, not playing his young talent. All kinds of despair in the italian italian papers. They are calling it the end of the world. The legendary italian goalkeeper announced his retirement from football. This will be his last game seeing his country fail to make it to the world cup in russia next year. Why are we making a big deal of it . Well, i went to rome a couple of years ago after Claudio Ranieri won the premier league with leicester city. Everyone i spoke to had heard about Claudio Ranieri. Knew exactly everything that they could about italian football and the division of loyalty as well between roma fans and lazio fa ns as well between roma fans and lazio fans was like nothing i had seen, that was just in one city in rome and fora that was just in one city in rome and for a nation to fail to make to the world cup next year, it will be a national sense of despair to go along with that. Lets talk about gymnastics t dan keating agreed there was a culture of fear at british gymnastics. What else had he had to say . There has been a rumbling of discontent in british gymnastics, a culture of fear of discontent amongst the elite gymnastics and now dan keating, he is commonwealth champion. He has agreed there is a culture of fear in british gymnastics. He said that he was repeatedly called fat in training. He was often depressed and unwilling to leave the house at some points. He said athletes like him we re points. He said athletes like him were scared of speaking out for fear of losing their place in the team and losing the funding that comes with that. He said when he retired injanuary, with that. He said when he retired in january, it was with that. He said when he retired injanuary, it was a massive relief, a weight off his shoulders, he said. Talking about the fact that there is success talking about the fact that there is success in british gymnastics, but it comes at a cost. The chief executive of british gymnastics jane allen said, our safeguarding processes a re allen said, our safeguarding processes are robust. They are aware of the complaints. Athletes should be encouraged to come forward. But this is another british sport, as well as british swimming, british bobsleigh, british canoeing coming under the spotlight now victoria. There are some top gymnasts that are yet to sign new co ntra cts . Gymnasts that are yet to sign new contracts . There is a lot of tooing and froing about the new contracts that come from the governing body. Some gymnasts we understand have not yet agreed to sign their contract at the moment. They are unhappy with the moment. They are unhappy with the clauses that stop them, according to dan keating from finding their own sponsors and raising their own money from outside the sport and dan keating says that british gymnastics are looking to control everything that athletes like max whitlock, who we are seeing right now, are able to earn outside the sport. There is a meeting, we understand, between the governing body and top athletes like max whitlock happening over the next couple of days and they are hoping to pin down the contracts and get them signed, but at a point where british gymnastics is enjoying this success , british gymnastics is enjoying this success, max whitlock won two 0lympic titles in rio and seven medals at the rio games, the question now for british gymnastics as in so many british sports at the moment is at what cost success . Cheers, catherine, thank you. This morning, in herfirst british tv interview we speak to a surrogate mother from california, who gave birth to two babies and then found out that one of the children was biologically hers. Jessica allen became pregnant with her own biological child whilst she was carrying another baby as a surrogate for a chinese couple. She only realised after shed handed over the babies to their intended parents and then she faced a lengthy custody battle to get her son back. Jessica and her son malachi spoke to us from their home in california. She told me about the birth of what everybody thought was twins. It was a scheduled c section, my first surgery. Luckily, everything went well, there were no complications or problems. And i was able to. Baby shouts. Able to heal and everything, it was good. It was a good labour. Did you get to see the boys . No, i did not see them. How did you feel about that . I was very hurt by it. I was very hurt by it, it was in my contract that i was going to have an hour visit with the babies. And when i asked her if they were going to stop by before they left the hospital, she stated probably not. That instantly brought me to tears, and you know, broke my heart. You did see a photograph of the two boys, what did they look like, what did you say when you saw that picture . It was a picture of them side by side with beanies out, their faces turn towards each other with their eyes closed. So it wasnt a perfect face shot, but it was definitely obvious that they werent identical. And i stated after looking at the picture and i was handing it back, i stated that they looked different. My caseworker, through the agency was in the room with me and she stated also that she gave birth to identical twins that didnt look identical at birth, but as they got older, they started looking identical. So i took that as maybe that was the case of my twins also. I didnt even know identical twins could come out not identical and then as getting older, being identical. So thats what she said and that is how i took it. And then you got a text from the other mum, the intended mum a month or so later with a photograph of the boys. What did she ask you . She just stated that she is getting a dna test for her embassy so she could go back home to her country and that she is also having doubts that one doesnt belong to her. She stated that she was waiting for me to be well to let me know. It was already a month later. She basically wasjust letting me know that she was having doubts. Right, and she asked you if youd considered why they were different, how did you respond to that . I responded with exactly what my caseworker told me, you know, they were probablyjust not looking identical at birth. And lso, i knew they were in separate sacs, and you know, we all know if you are carrying twins in two different sacs, they are not identical. So tell our british audience about what happened eventually you found out that malachy was in fact your son and not from the sorrow that embryo. Was in fact your son and not from the surrogate embryo. After i got the text with with the picture of the test results stating that the intended father was not his genetic father, you know, i was freaking out. I called my caseworker asking her what is going on. And she didnt have answers. The only thing she knew what to say was, i have two get myself into the dna lab and get tested for my results to see if i was the mother of the baby. So we went and did that. And about a week and a half later, i got the test results saying i am his genetic mother. My caseworker immediately went and picked him up and put him under her care. So you were the biological mother of one of the babies and the other mum was the biological mother of the other baby . Yes. Which is absolutely extraordinary how does that happen . Well, i was already pregnant through in vitro with the ivf centre. And when i was six, seven weeks pregnant they found another embryo. The doctor just stated that the embryo be transferred was split into two and turned into twins. My body still ovulated while already pregnant. And then the obvious happened with your husband . Of course so, tell us how your little boy was eventually returned to you . Well, after communicating back and forth with the surrogate agency for almost a month, and the process of trying to find an attorney, theyjust kept giving us excuses as to why they werent handing him over to me and after we finally found an attorney, all it took was an e mail from her stating that they better hand over my child or they will create more damages than what they already have. So we got a phone call and we were told we could go and meet the caseworker at starbucks and pick up our baby. So you went to the car park of starbucks, tell us what happened and how you were feeling . Are you 0k, jessica . Sorry, this partjust gets hard. Its no problem. I went and met her at the starbucks parking lot and she was late. So i was freaking out already that this was just going to be another time that i was supposed to get him and didnt. When she finally arrived, i started walking and she grabbed him out of the car in his car seat and walked towards me. We kind of met in the middle and she just took him out of his car seat. Its ok, take your time. And ijust snatched him from her and said, give me my baby. And that was clearly a very, very emotional time for you . Yeah. What did it feel like to hold your son . I was heartbroken because i missed two months of his life because of them. But i was also relieved because it was my first time finally seeing him and i knew that he was finally in our arms where he is safe and where he belongs. And when did you first hear this word, superfertation . We started finding this word and their term for it when we started doing our research if this has happened to anyone before. Obviously it has because there is an actual term for it. But its so rare, i think there are only like a dozen cases across the world . Yes. It has happened and theres only so many recorded, but it has happened more than that and i wish more women would come forward, other women that it has happened to, so we know how common it actually is. How would you describe what it means . I mean it means that when a woman is pregnant she still naturally ovulate and concedes another child. You know, they are not twins and they are not even the same exact age, but she ends up having two different babies at the same time. We saw malachy at the beginning of the interview. He looks happy, hes bonnie, he looks healthy, how is he . Hes a handful. Hes beautiful, hes hyper, hes happy, healthy. He keeps us busy and his brothers love him. Daddy and i love him. We are very grateful he is here where he belongs. What do you think your little boy will make of this when hes older . Youve obviously got a bit of time before you think about whether you are going to tell him everything, what do you think hes going to say . When the time comes, well cross that bridge. But i know there is going to be a day when hes going to know his life made an impact all around the world. That is certainly true and here he is. How old is he now, jessica . Hes 11 months now. He just turned 11 months yesterday. Hes absolutely adorable. Astonishing to think that this little boy has made headlines around the world, isnt it . Oh yes, its kind of. Unreal. It doesnt seem real, but its our reality and its kind of hard to wrap our heads around it. We are just taking it one day at a time. We are very grateful you have been speaking to us and our british viewers. Thank you so much, jessica. Thank you malachy. Thank you. Baby sneezes. Bless you. Goodbye. Bye. Thank you. Thank you, jessica, what a sweetheart he is. Still to come, an alleged rape victim tells us exclusively why she feels fobbed off by authorities in the commons despite receiving a phone call from the leader of the house last night. Plus well be live myanmar where deeply disturbing claims of mass rape and other crimes against the Rohingya Muslims are being reported. Time for the latest news. Mps will today begin debating a key piece of brexit legislation the eu withdrawal bill. It will help turn european laws into uk ones but opponents including tory rebels have tabled scores of amendments. Meanwhile a parliamentary report is warning a failure to complete the introduction of a new customs system by the date of brexit in 2019 would be catastrophic. Theresa may has launched her strongest attack on russia yet, accusing moscow of meddling in elections and carrying out cyber espionage. Speaking at the lord mayors banquet in london, the Prime Minister said Vladimir Putins government was trying to undermine free societies by planting fake information. A tory activist who says she was raped has told this programme that she feels disappointed, despite receiving a phone call from the leader of the house. Andrea leadsom called lisa wade whos waived her right to anonymity last night, several months after the incident was first reported to her. Ms leadsom said she could not have acted on the report at the time because of an ongoing legal case. Well hear from lisa shortly. Human rights watch says the Burmese Security forces have committed widespread abuses during what they call a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya Muslim population. The organisation said Government Forces have committed mass killings, rape, arbitrary detention, and arson. More than half a million rohingya have fled a military offensive in the north of the country. Well have a film including testimony from the refugees just after ten oclock. Thats a summary of our latest news, back to you. On the story of bailiffs, i was hounded because council tax had lost my benefit form. I dont pay it because Im University student but after co nsta nt University Student but after constant calls they wouldnt let it go. Iam constant calls they wouldnt let it go. I am terrified im going to you lose everything. This e mail from tyrone. This from the shell, my sister owed her Previous Council tax. Bailiffs were sent to my sister, who on benefits had little to offer. The bailiff said he needed half of what was owed that day and in panic she gave the bailiff my mothers number who was 70 and has health conditions. He pressured her to pay half over the phone and told her my sister could go to prison, and she paid up. It is disgusting behaviour. They have a job to do but they have to play fair. Thank you for those. We are going to talk about bailiffs after 10 30am. Breaking news now. And the latest inflation figures are out now what do they tell us . It is slightly less than was expected. The consensus among economists had been to 3. 1 and the bank of england said these figures for october would be the peak of inflation or likely to be. Thats what they were forecasting. The fact the peak was slightly below what some people expected means theres less of an urgent need to make a second rise in Interest Rates any time soon. A few interesting details, unfortunately the inflation rate for food and nonalcoholic beverages was its highest in four yea rs, beverages was its highest in four years, 4. 1 . Whats driving beverages was its highest in four years, 4. 196. Whats driving that . A lot of it is to do with the fact we import ourfood. Lot of it is to do with the fact we import our food. It is still substantially down from where it was a couple of years ago and it means when people import they have to pay in euros or dollars and that requires more pounds to get the same amounts of food. You see that feeding through to supermarket shelves. Theres been a theory they have been protecting us to some extent have been protecting us to some exte nt fro m have been protecting us to some extent from the impact of the weaker pound but they cannot do that forever and we are seeing some of that feeding through. 0k, what does it mean for people in the run up to christmas . It is the same as last month and the month before. Their wages are not growing as fast as prices are. Although credit is very cheap, think about how much you should rely on cheap credit for the sustainable future. You can have a nice christmas now but in ten months it could be harder. Have a nice christmas to you as well. Sorry its ok, it is only yourjob now, the sport. Italy will not be in the world cup, and the Italian Press have described the result as apocalypse. Moeen ali will play his first game of englands ashes tour, he has recovered from a side strain and makes the team. World number one rafael nadal has withdrawn from end of season tour finals with a knee injury. He was beaten last night by david goffin. And the commonwealth champion dan keatings has said there is a culture of fear keatings has said there is a culture offear in keatings has said there is a culture of fear in british gymnastics as a iow of fear in british gymnastics as a row about contracts rumbles on. He said his experience in the sport left him depressed and i will be talking more about that in about half an hour. Thank you. It is 9 37am, good morning. Every european country is in the midst of growing homelessness crisis, with one exception finland. There, theyve almost eradicated homelessness in the capital by giving people a permanent home as soon as they become homeless. That scheme is now being looked at in the uk, and the West Midlands could be one of the first areas to adopt it. Their mayor, andy street, has been to finland to find out more. Well hear from him shortly, but first, lets speak to thomas salmi, one of the Homeless People in finland this scheme has helped. I was homeless three years, and i was in the streets, like, almost two winters, alberta, cold. Out there, cold. I had no place to go. One year and one day ago, i moved here. If you want an apartment, a house to live in, you dont have to give anything, like, for exchange. Its your human right to live somewhere, and then you can build your life. And i came herejust a year ago, and when i look back to those days when i was in the streets, i kind of lost hope of anything getting better. But now, when im sitting here, thinking about it, ive got an apartment, i have a job here, im finally capable of being social with humans. I have no health problems, but if i never had that apartment, it wouldnt be possible. I tried to get an apartment from helsinkis renting. They told me, you have to work to rent the house, but how can i work without the house . So, its like a circle. It doesnt work. And when i come to work, and i go after work, i know that my house is there for me. I can sleep, i can be there in my own peace. Its like my house. Nobody comes and tells me, you have to do this. You cannot drink here. Its like a rule for this house. I can drink if i want. And i really drank a lot, and i mean a lot, when i was homeless, but now i have a house, i have work, im not feeling like drinking so much any more. Lets talk to andy street, the West Midlands mayor who visited helsinki and is hoping to introduce the scheme in his area. And peter fredriksson, a Senior Advisor on housing in finland who has implemented the Housing First scheme. Andy street, explain how it works because it seems Pretty Simple. You could say that. I was lucky enough to go to helsinki and the simple idea is that the city provides accommodation, in shared blocks, for people who have been rough sleeping, to move into. As you heard thomas say, that means he has some work he calls his home and can rebuild his life from a place of safety. From a Councils Point of view, you have to have that accommodation freely available and that might be the problem here. The issue is having the money to secure the places in accommodation that i think we could make available across the West Midlands but actually what we are playing for is the funding to pay for it. Thats why we have put oui pay for it. Thats why we have put our application into government to be the pilot in the uk of this scheme. And it will cost the West Midlands £15 million, is that right . 0ver midlands £15 million, is that right . Over three years, yes. And would that be money well spent to get that . Yes, because this is the pilot to test this and we are saying it would be a good investment because there are many hidden costs of the rough sleeping challenge we have. Particularly the Services Provided to people on the streets, they have very significant costs so we can say if we do this we help people rebuild their lives as you heard on the clip, that is a good investment. And do you know yet how many people that might help over three years . Yes, we have looked at the number of people who are rough sleeping on the streets in the West Midlands. Last year the number officially counted was about 132 so we have said lets look over three years at the total number of people likely we will need to accommodate and that is to meet the current level. So if you are homeless, whether that is sleeping rough or sleeping on friends sofas 01 even rough or sleeping on friends sofas or even in temporary accommodation, might you be helped . This is for people who are rough sleeping with absolutely nowhere to go because there are other issues that lead to people, as you say, sofa surfing or in temporary accommodation and as pa rt in temporary accommodation and as part of our general attack on homelessness we have to look at the causes there as well but this is about a particular tip of the iceberg issue and im sure its the same in other areas of the country. It is that where members of the public say we have got to do something about this, it cannot be right. Let me bring in peter fredriksson, thank you for talking to us. Your scheme has cost 240 Million Euros over eight years, how many rough sleepers has that helped in that period of time . It has been managed to put it down with 1500 long term home rough sleepers, so it isa long term home rough sleepers, so it is a reduction of 37 of the situation we started in 2008. So it has been very successful from our point of view and especially the rough sleeping has been put down by half. Also you have to take account also of the other long term homeless, the People Living in institution is without a place to go for example. And it is as straightforward as anybody sleeping on the street, you put them straight into permanent accommodation, that is it . No bed and breakfast, no temporary hostels, it is a home for them for ever . That is the point. Direct accesses the most important thing. You have to stress, it is not only a question of the housing here because they are in real problems, many of them, addicted people, unemployed etc and untrained. We need specialised, tailored support service, intensive support for the people who manage because otherwise they are back on the street again and its a combination of a very good support and a very good permanent house. So when they are in that house, you do what to help them . It starts from housing advice, how we live in this house, then we make a very personal plan for everybody, going through their background and history and their present situation, and then their owfi present situation, and then their own goals. It is very important they have the choice to make together with the personal support person or their personal plan. Otherwise it is not motivated and they are not engaged with it. Have you been able to work out, peter, that in terms of the maths and money spent whether more would have been spent if these people have been left sleeping rough in terms of the cost to society . We build units, over 20 in the country, in the biggest cities. So we took three of them for research and it showed that the average saving for one person accommodated, if you compare it with the homeless situation was 15,000 euros yearly for one person. Ok. 15,000. Its really logical because you understand that the persons which are living outside, you also use very much of the services. We compared for example the Hospital Services in helsinki, it was 16 times more than the average person using Hospital Services. Really interesting figures. Really stark figures as well. Are there any down sides. Yes. Absolutely. But you can manage them and you have to develop the contact and the real terms where we are Going Forward and it is a question that how, which kind of population can it be extended and i dont think at the moment its very easy and it is unnecessary to go to a larger broader population than the ones which have the complex, most high need of support services. Ok. Backin high need of support services. Ok. Back in the West Midlands andy street, what more do you think the government should be doing when it comes to helping people who are homeless . Well, what we are asking the government to do is to support this Brave Initiative is the first thing and we are hoping for an outcome of that shortly, but the government has said and i say this isa government has said and i say this is a cross party piece, there has been the homeless reduction act passed before the last general election which comes into force next year and it puts more requirements on local authorities to respond to this and they have Just Announced additional funding for local authorities to reach it the commitments under the homeless reduction act. Thank you very much. Andy street, West Midlands mayor and Peter Frederick son, thank you. Takeit take it or leave it, thats what the governments critics say they are being offered when it comes to the brexit negotiations. Our political guru norman smith can fill us and tell us more. It can be quite technical this stuff on a day to day basis. Give us the broad outline, the big picture . The eu withdrawal bill is a bumper bill, more than 60 pages long. It is the legislative equivalent of the yellow pages. The government say it is just a bit of technical tidying up, designed to bring all the thousands of eu rules and regulations covering well everything from the water we drink, to the power of our vacuum cleaners to the power of our vacuum cleaners to our workplace rights into british law. Thats what it is designed to do because otherwise, the fear is we would disappear down the legal plug hole because there would be no rules and regulations to cover vast areas of our every day life. When it comes to brexit nothing is simple and already, there have been Something Like 168 pages of amendments tabled to this bill and they include things like making sure mps have a meaningful vote before mrs may signs on the dotted line for any agreement. Also, guaranteeing that there is a transition period of two yea rs there is a transition period of two years 01 more there is a transition period of two years or more before we quit the eu and there could be enough tory rebels working with the opposition to inflict potentially damaging defeats on mrs may. The stakes are frankly of a himalayan height and mrs may has in effect accused her opponents of using the bill to try and thwart brexit itself. The question is will they be able to do it . I think all we know with absolute certainty is we are facing fraught votes, late night debates, and a right old parliamentary ding dong dragging on for weeks. And a right old parliamentary dingdong dragging on for weeks. Can ijust dingdong dragging on for weeks. Can i just chat with you, norman, dingdong dragging on for weeks. Can ijust chat with you, norman, about what the brexit secretary offered yesterday . This idea that mps will get a vote on the final brexit deal, but then when questioned by a brexiteer, look if we vote against it, does that mean we dont leave on 29th march 2019, david davis said yes, were still leaving. So what on planet is that a meaningful vote . Well, the government would say, its a meaningful vote in the sense that there is going to be a piece of government legislation to mark this historic moment of leaving the eu. Mps will be able to scrutinise it line by line mps will be able to scrutinise it line byline in mps will be able to scrutinise it line by line in minute detail and if they dont like it, they can reject it, here is the almighty big but, but if they do reject it, well tough. Were leaving anyway and that is why many of mrs mays critics say it is in effect putting a gun to their head and say, you vote for this or were going to leave without any deal at all. Which they view as any deal at all. Which they view as a nightmare scenario. That is their worst option. One other thing worth pointing out vic is the timing of this. Normally to get a bill through parliament, can take months, but if this gets very difficult, and the negotiations go right down to the wire of the 30th march 2019, there will be no time to debate and vote on this bill before we leave. In other words we could end up in a situation of leaving, and then having a debate about leaving and that too mrs mays critics are unhappy about. Right. Ok. So what can mps do now if they are not happy . Well, i think the likelihood we are going to face what sir Alex Ferguson called squeaky bum time because it is clear that there are probably around a dozen tories who are deeply unhappy with mrs mays plans and if theyjoin with the opposition parties, its possible that on some of the key votes, mrs may could be defeated. Now, that raises the stakes even further because some tory mps are saying look, if the government is defeated on these absolutely key votes, that amounts really to a vote of no confidence in the government because brexit is so central to what mrs may is trying to do. So if tory rebels help to defeat the government it could bring down the government, pave the way for a general election, and who knows, possibly a Jeremy Corbyn government. Now, in a i wa, thats just sort of strong arm tactics to try and crank up the pressure on tory rebels, but it gives you a sense of how this could escalate and as i say, just how high the stakes are. Thank you very much, norman. Lets talk to a labour mp who voted remain. His name is pat mcfadden. Would you like that scenario, the defeat for theresa may precipitating a vote of no confidence and then a general election . I think listening to norman, he has got his finger on the pulse probably more than any other journalist, but the pulse probably more than any otherjournalist, but you get the impression that this is all a sort of parliamentary tussle, you know, the image i had in my mind ten people involved, it is a big bun fight and actually we need to take a step back from all of that. All of that that norman just summarised reflects the new parliamentary arithmetic after the general election. To me the more important question is what happens to us in the future economically when we leave the eu . And what this is really all about is parliament trying to ensure it has a meaningful say on those big questions. Trying to ensure it has a meaningful say on those big questionsm trying to ensure it has a meaningful say on those big questions. If the by product that theresa may ends up being defeated on various amendments, and it precipitating a general election, you would be happy . I would rather than a Labour Government rather than a conservative government. This is about we were told during the referendum we would be leaving the eu to take back control to our own parliament and the government has been pretty reluctant to give parliament any meaningful say and thats what. Parliament any meaningful say and thats what. You have got it now, havent you . Well. Or are you not reassured by what david davis said . What defines a meaningful say, to me it is the ability to say to the government, we dont like everything in this deal. We dont like the term of this deal. We would like you to try and change this part or that part, so you need to have it in good enough time to have a meaningful input. If it is between here is what we managed to negotiate, or no deal at all, which we all know would be a dayserfor at all, which we all know would be a dayser for our economy, that isnt really a meaningful say, that is a gun to peoples heads really. So, i think this issue of how parliament gets a meaningful say over this will continue even after the secretary of states announcement yesterday. Right, 0k. States announcement yesterday. Right, ok. I states announcement yesterday. Right, ok. I mean, do you really see this going to the wire . Well. In the final days and hours up to 29th march at 11pm . Lets begin with what the government have said they want to achieve. Im on the Brexit Select Committee that looks at all this week in and week out in parliament and the secretary of state has told us and the secretary of state has told us that his ambition is to have the withdrawal deal, and transitional arrangement which is basically the status quo without a say over the rules. You hope. Well, thats the only transition we will be offered by the eu. Right. And the basically the outline of the future arrangements all wrapped up by next year. Thats the governments policy aim. Soi year. Thats the governments policy aim. So i want to see if they manage to achieve all that. We went to brussels last week, the Brexit Committee and we met with the key negotiators on the eu side and two things struck me. One was i expect the government to offer more money between now and this crunch december meeting in a few weeks time. I think. How much more . £20 billion is on the table at the minute . M think. How much more . £20 billion is on the table at the minute . It is ha rd is on the table at the minute . It is hard for me to put a figure on it, but i think if the government wants to get to the next phase which i wa nt to to get to the next phase which i want to get to, they are probably likely to offer more money, but thats not actually the most difficult part, even though it is a big sum of money. The most difficult pa rt big sum of money. The most difficult part is what is our future relationship with the eu going to be . And the impression i got last week was, thats less of a negotiation and more of a Pretty Simple decision for us. We can either remain part of the whole Single Market system with all the Market Access that gives us or we can be outside that and there isnt really, the government, i think, can be outside that and there isnt really, the government, ithink, is trying to give the impression that there is a Half Way House between those two and i think we should think of phase two as this, there is might be some details to negotiate, but in the main, its not so much a negotiation, as a choice for the country. Can ijust check negotiation, as a choice for the country. Can i just check with you asa country. Can i just check with you as a labour country. Can i just check with you asa labourmp country. Can i just check with you as a labour mp as a remainer, once we move to the transitional period, which implies a bridge to a final brexit deal. Yes. Would you be happy to remain in that transition, ie with the current arrangements weve got now . Its the only transition deal we will be offered. No, no, i meanforever . Transition deal we will be offered. No, no, i mean forever . Oh forever. Well, the disadvantage of. No, no, yes or no . Do you want to stay in transition permanently . No, i dont wa nt to transition permanently . No, i dont want to stay in transition permanently, because it is supposed to bea permanently, because it is supposed to be a bridge from a to b. But as a remainor that would suit you surely . You have got to calculate what the economic damage is here. The disadvantage of the transition over the current status is we dont have a say over the rules. And that was also made clear to us when we went last week. But you would be in the Single Market which you really want . We would be in the Single Market which is something that i think is very important. We would still have access to all the rights that that gives us. We would still be in the customs union. Basically everything would be the same except we wouldnt have a seat at the table deciding the rules. Thats the only transition deal that the eu will offer us. Ok. Thank you. Thank you very much, pat mcfadden who is a labourmp and a very much, pat mcfadden who is a labour mp and a remainor. We will talk to a conservative mp obviously in the next hour. Right, the weather. Here is lucy. Good morning. A less cool day on the way after a chilly start to the week. We have milder temperatures, chilly start to the week. We have mildertemperatures, but chilly start to the week. We have milder temperatures, but more in the way of cloud. There have been some exceptions to that though. The best of the brightness certainly in the south and the east of scotland and a few breaks in that cloud like this photo sent in by a weather watcher in cheshire. Some blue skiesjust poking through there. But further south, this has been more the order of the day. A little bit more in the way of cloud. This photo sent in from twickenham in greater london. Through the day today then the best of the brightness certainly across scotland. Just feeding into the north east of england and the far north east of england and the far north of Northern Ireland as well. A scattering of heavy showers in the far north that and there could be hail in there. For much of central, southern england and wales, there will be plenty of cloud. Mostly dry. A few outbreaks of cloud and drizzle where the cloud becomes thick enough and a few breaks in the cloud here and a few breaks in the cloud here and there. Temperatures just in the double figures. Cloudy for Northern Ireland. Any brightness in the north and the clearer skies means that it isa and the clearer skies means that it is a little bit cooler for scotland and some breeze, the wind picking up with the fairly heavy showers. Through tonight then, the showers in the north will ease. We will hold on to the clearer skies across scotland and into Northern Ireland and Northern England. Clouder in the south with rain and drizzle. The potential to see a few dense patches of fog developing through tonight. How quickly they will lift tomorrow, a bit of uncertainty, but it looks like we will still see the best of the brightness in the north. Northern ireland into scotland and Northern England and perhapsjust into the far north of wales seeing the brighter conditions tomorrow. It will turn cloudier into the afternoon later for north and west scotla nd afternoon later for north and west scotland and some rain pushing in as well. For much of central southern england and wales, it will be cloudy with rain and drizzle. Again temperatures in the double figures. We could see a few brighter intervals developing like we have seen today. Thursday, this cold front sinks south and east ward. Behind it, it is starting to see something brighter. Temperatures again on thursday staying in the double figures in the south and that takes us figures in the south and that takes us into friday where we will see the return to something cooler. More in the way of brightness. The chance of one 01 the way of brightness. The chance of one or two the way of brightness. The chance of one 01 two showers the way of brightness. The chance of one or two showers in the north. Turning breezier as well. And feeling noticeably fresher. Thanks, lucy. Hello its tuesday, its ten oclock, im victoria derbyshire. Our top story this morning its another crucial day in the brexit countdown. With this bill, it is take it or leave it time because if they dont like it, tough. We will still leave the eu without any sort of deal and thatis the eu without any sort of deal and that is nightmare land for remainers. Well bring you all the details. A chef has told this programme she was suspended from work at a premier inn the day after she complained of Sexual Harassment. Well hear from woman concerned and an employment lawyer later this hour. And local councils are using to bailiffs to recover money they are owed. Let me know your own experiences this morning. Heres ben in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Inflation the rate of increase in prices for goods and services remained unchanged at 3 in october. The rate remains at a five year high with rising food prices offset by a fall in the cost of fuel, according to the office for national statistics. Mps will today begin debating a key piece of brexit legislation, the eu withdrawal bill. It will help turn european laws into uk ones but opponents including tory rebels have tabled scores of amendments. Meanwhile a parliamentary report is warning a failure to complete the introduction of a new customs system by the date of brexit in 2019 would be catastrophic. A tory activist who says she was raped has told this programme that she feels disappointed, despite receiving a phone call from the leader of the house. Andrea leadsom called lisa wade whos waived her right to anonymity last night, several months after the incident was first reported to her. Ms leadsom said she could not have acted on the report at the time because of an ongoing legal case. Human rights watch says the Burmese Security forces have committed widespread abuses during what they call a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya Muslim population. The organisation said Government Forces have committed mass killings, rape, arbitrary detention, and arson. More than half a million rohingya have fled a military offensive in the north of the country. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30. A couple of messages about the homeless scheme in finland. With rough sleepers they are immediately placing them in permanent accommodation, so a flat permanently for ever. No hostels, bed and brea kfast, for ever. No hostels, bed and breakfast, nothing like that, and they said it is saving them money. It isa they said it is saving them money. It is a big outlay but in the end it saves money society. Dont think this government would do the same here, they are callously making the public worse off with universal credit says mike. David, it goes to show a more caring socialist outlook actually saves the treasury money in the long and helps individuals rebuild their lives who in turn provide more income to the treasury. Take note please, government. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. Now the sport. Italy have failed to qualify for the world cup for the First Time Since 1958. Even the vetera n First Time Since 1958. Even the veteran keeper was sent into the attack in injury time. One newspaper described the result as an apocalypse. Others want to replace the manager who hasnt officially resigned yet. Wales centre jonathan resigned yet. Wales centrejonathan davies will miss the six nations due to a foot injury. He needs surgery and that means his domestic season for scarlets may also be over. Its a real blow, he was the lions player of the series this year. Jamie roberts has been added to the wales squad along with Scott Andrews as cover. Moeen ali has recovered from side strain so will play against australia, after getting to know some of the local wildlife. Ali was named in the team for the final warm up named in the team for the final warm up match which starts tomorrow. Commonwealth champion dan keatings says there is a very real culture of fear within british gymnastics after some coaches claimed there was appalling leadership at the governing body. He said he experienced bullying and manipulation during his career as an athlete. British gymnastics have encouraged anyone with concerns to come forward. And rafael nadal has pulled out of the world tour finals with a knee injury after losing to david goffin. He is the latest player to say that is it for 2017, i will be back next year. Thank you. Lets get more on our latest story. Lets speak to a conservative mp who voted to leave the european union, suella fernandes. Pat mcfadden, a labour mp who voted to remain. And the belgian mep Philippe Lamberts, who is a key member of the European Parliament brexit steering group. How do you view this . |j how do you view this . I find the British Government is conducting the negotiation in a reckless way. The clock is ticking. Already negotiating a deal within two years isa negotiating a deal within two years is a considerable challenge but we have lost time. You might say she delivered a grand speech in florence but we did not see any of the intention that she declared translated into proposition. It is like delaying tactics, i dont know how to call that but the things that worry me the most is the situation in ireland. There is an inherent contradiction by the government saying on the one hand we want to respect the good friday agreement and on the other hand take the uk out of the customs union, the Single Market and jurisdiction of the ecj. That creates a border and on the other hand you say you dont want a border. That contradiction is nowhere near being resolved by the British Government so we have yet to see a proposal that could fly. I dont think there is one so we need to solve that contradiction. I would say the money is the least difficult of all the issues and we are inching towards a deal on citizens rights. There are number of points there. Just briefly on the money, how much is it you want . You know what, i dont have any clue as to the amount. What i want is that the financial obligations that have been subscribed by the uk be honoured. We dont know how much at the moment because part of it is contingent. If you provide guarantees and they are not needed, the money is not needed. Also we have to be honest, we want the uk to honour its liabilities but we have to deduct the amount of assets. As long as we agree on the baseline of the principles, i would go as faras baseline of the principles, i would go as far as saying let the Nordic Company do the reckoning and say how much is due by when. You do have an idea about the figure because you know 20 billion is not enough, but a nyway let know 20 billion is not enough, but anyway let me bring in a conservative mp, suella fernandes. Conservative mp, suella fernandes. Conservative government is being reckless because the clock is ticking, and two the contradiction from mrs may on the border. Start with the reckless point, how do you plead . Not guilty. Since the florence speech, the negotiating tea m florence speech, the negotiating team have made a lot of progress on eu citizens. We are now very close to an agreement. The Prime Minister has made it very clear. And Philippe Lamberts has acknowledged that, what about the rest of it . On Northern Ireland i think again there has been considerable agreement on the principles, for example that we want cooperation between the north and south, that the common travel area should continue to operate, and the principles of the belfast agreement remains sound. I think thats all considerable progress and we need to make sure there is that soft border between Northern Ireland. But you cannot have that, we have just heard, with all of the other things you want. I disagree. Heard, with all of the other things you want. Idisagree. It is either or. I dont think a solution is impossible. I dont think a solution is impossible. Philippe lamberts . Nice words, but everybody wants those things, the problem is you cannot have the good friday agreement together with the border. It is either or. Or we have to place the border elsewhere. Is there preparedness to consider that . I dont know but we need more than words, we need concrete proposals as to how to make this work and that contradiction i believe cannot be resolved. Suella fernandes . Ithink thatis resolved. Suella fernandes . Ithink that is a very pessimistic view. What is the concrete proposal . How do we do this . It has to be the case because our position and relationship with ireland and Northern Ireland is very important, we need to make sure that continues. Sure, we know all of that, sorry, what are the practical things that you would implement that would make that work . It is all there. The common travel area sets out how this works already and its about moving forward. For people but not for goods. The ball is in the eus court to agree to those principles so we can move on and get on to talking about trade. We want a Free Trade Agreement with the eu so we can carry on frictionless trade. Let me go back to Philippe Lamberts. On the border, lets just have the common travel area . Sorry but this is not theissue, travel area . Sorry but this is not the issue, the common travel area is for people. If you are getting out of the Single Market, goods will need to be controlled so there will bea need to be controlled so there will be a physical border and you need to place it somewhere, so your choice, say where it will be placed. The good friday agreement says no border between the two parts of the island, period. Suella fernandes . No hard border, that is what we want to agree with the eu and it is up to the eu to come back and agree those terms. Come on you need to control goods, right . We can talk about trading agreement which is really what both parties are there for. Millions of people in germany, france and belgium depend on british custom when it comes to trading. We are one of the biggest customers in the eu and therefore i think its a mutually beneficial thing for both parties to work positively to reach an agreement. Thats what i want, having campaigned to leave the eu, thatis having campaigned to leave the eu, that is what theresa may and the british people want. |j that is what theresa may and the british people want. I think there isa british people want. I think there is a slight contradiction, by wishing to a very close relationship with the 27 Member States and saying we want to wave goodbye to them. There is again a discrepancy here but again there is again a discrepancy here but again i believe that to the mps. I feel like we may be going round but again i believe that to the mps. Ifeel like we may be going round in circles, but thank you. Did i really say the tick is clocking . Did i really say that . You know what i mean so it doesnt really matter a chef has told this programme she was suspended from work at a premier inn the day after she complained of Sexual Harassment. Martha hammock was the only female chef at her branch of the budget hotel, says her colleague sent her messages with sexual content and innuendo. Premier inn deny thats why she was suspended. Lets talk with martha hammock and also Harini Iyengar who is an employment barrister. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. I wonder that martha hammock if you could tell us the nature of the messages that you were sent. It started off with a conversation in a kitchen about his penis and the size of it and then he would send me a picture of a bottle which was in the shape of a penis and said this is what it looks like. Ijust ignored and said this is what it looks like. I just ignored it and said this is what it looks like. Ijust ignored it and i didnt want to engage in and encourage that kind of conversation. I also got a Whatsapp Message of two scantily clad women and then he asked me who should i f first . Clad women and then he asked me who should i ffirst . Of these clad women and then he asked me who should i f first . Of these women. Againi should i f first . Of these women. Again ijust didnt respond. Thats the type of messages i was getting from him. How did they make you feel those messages . It is humiliating and its shocking and the person i am speaking about is younger than me so am speaking about is younger than me soi am speaking about is younger than me so i felt it quite disrespectful as well. You were the only female chef working alongside five male chefs. Generally, how was the working environment . When were all together, its ok. But if you look at how the shift pattern is set up, there is a lot of unfairness. I often would work on my own and also when i do work, im only given an hour to prep for dinner. When its the men working together, its very much a friendship type thing and they come in and they have got two hours to prep. It is so unfair. I raised those issues and i seemed to be getting nowhere. Two weeks later you say you got a Whatsapp Message which told you couldnt be part of the work Whatsapp Group because you we re the work Whatsapp Group because you were a woman. You say that that Whatsapp Group messaging system was used to send out work notices and key info. What do you think was going on . I was discussed as a person and they didnt want to include me, but thatsjust me suspecting, but its also very unprofessional. There was no reason why i shouldnt be part of the team. Iam part why i shouldnt be part of the team. I am part of the team. In the end you filed a grievance about harassment. Yes. And discrimination. Yes. But the organisation decided not to pursue the discrimination side of things. And you wrote to head office in november, at the start of november, didnt you . I did, yes. You raised again because everything was emerging sexual har hasment issues from hollywood and you thought i am going to raise this . What happened the next day. I came in and did brea kfast the next day. I came in and did breakfast and finished breakfast and i was called into the office. I went to the office and there was a strange person and a team of people ready to interview. I was accused of four things. I was in the meeting for five hours and at the end of the five hours he dismissed three of the things that i was supposed to have done and suspended me and the language i was suspended for my own safety a nd language i was suspended for my own safety and to protect me. You say those words were actually used . Absolutely and also, put in the report. So i mean it wasjust, i was so report. So i mean it wasjust, i was so shocked. I was just so emotional. Premier inn say that that suspension had nothing to do with your reporting of the harassment, that it was to do with conduct at work. They gave examples, you left work early one night. You failed to sign your hotel keys on one occasion, sign them in, failed to fill in a time sheet one evening and they say that they had planned to suspend you before they got your complaint at head office about harassment this month. They do say they are investigating the Sexual Harassment. What effect is it having on you being suspended on full pay . |j what effect is it having on you being suspended on full pay . I mean, its very hurtful. I feel very alone. Ifeel its very hurtful. I feel very alone. I feel ostracised from its very hurtful. I feel very alone. Ifeel ostracised from my team. I feel like i alone. Ifeel ostracised from my team. Ifeel like i have been told im guilty even though im not, its not been concluded. Its just very hurtful to me. I was employee of the quarter the first time the hotel was opened. So my performance has never beenin opened. So my performance has never been in question. The thing about pumpking in, the vast majority of people dont punch in because they dont have punch in keys. The hotel say the two things are unrelated, thats possible . It is possible, but as an employment lawyer i would say, based on that account of what martha is supposed to have done, it is hard to see why you need to suspend someone to see why you need to suspend someone for that, if it is clocking in offences, it is hard to understand why you cant investigate that if someone is at work and if someone that if someone is at work and if someone complained to head office of Sexual Harassment of this type, it is an odd way of dealing with things and just, its, you is an odd way of dealing with things andjust, its, you know, is an odd way of dealing with things and just, its, you know, without knowing the other side of the story, you can say its not good practise to upset the staff member by dealing with the disciplinary allegation before you have dealt with the prior Sexual Harassment allegation. What is the law around what needs to happen when someone reports harassment at work . Well, if you dont deal with harassment reports properly, that can be an act of sex discrimination which is subjecting sub ch someone to a detriment if they are a woman. If it is a woman complaining about Sexual Harassment and it is not taken seriously that can be unfavourable treatment for her for can be unfavourable treatment for herfor being a can be unfavourable treatment for her for being a woman. If there is a disciplinary policy and a grievance policy then that ought to be followed and i think premier inn is a big business and i am assuming they have got a policy on it and the time scales ought to be kept to and if there are delays you ought to be keeping in touch with the person that complained and reassuring them that complained and reassuring them that action is being taken and their concerns are being looked into. Have you ever come across claims that somebody who has complained about Sexual Harassment has subsequently been suspended . Unfortunately, yes. I think there is some research by the tuc last year showing that a lot of women have reported to the tuc when they tried to complain about Sexual Harassment they have been treated worse. Unfortunately marthas experience isnt unique, but if you were advising a business who say we are concerned about disciplinary allegations and they mention to you that that person had previously complained of Sexual Harassment, as a lawyer you would be wanting to say think twice do you really need to suspend this person and what have you been doing about the allegations. Rachel on facebook says, my daughter was sacked after her boss sent her body photos. They came to our house demanding she deleted all evidence. Came to our house demanding she deleted all evidence. Thank came to our house demanding she deleted all evidence. Thank you very much for talking to us. We invited premier inn to come onto the programme today, but they werent available and instead told us, the decision to suspend martha is entirely unrelated to the Sexual Harassment complaint. We took the decision to suspend martha on full pay as part of an Ongoing Investigation into her own conduct at work and an apparent breakdown in the working relationship between her and the company. Rohingya muslim women and have been subjected to widespread rape as part of a campaign of ethnic cleansing by myanmars Security Forces thats what a Human Rights Watch report will warn later this week. Many women also described witnessing the murders of their young children, spouses, and parents. Rohingya muslims make up a minority in myanmar, or burma, which is a predominantly muslim country. Since unrest in the rakhine province where they live in the north of the country, more than 500,000 have fled a military offensive. Theresa may says the actions of the military looked like ethnic cleansing. Newsnights gabriel gatehouse has made a deeply disturbing film on some of the testimony of the refugees. Following discussion will refer to extreme violence, some of it sexual which you may not want children to watch. Anourha showed us where she and others swam across the river, at a point downstream where it was narrow enough to cross. From a hill on the opposite bank, they watched the horror unfold. The violence began five days before the massacre at tula toli, on 25th august, when members of a rohingya militant group attacked the number of police posts inside myanmar, killing 12. In response, the Burmese Military began what they call clearance operations. Boats filled with refugees have been coming ever since. By late morning on 30th august, on the river bank at tula toli, dozens of people had already been murdered, but it wasnt over yet. Some villagers had escaped by swimming across the river, but many remained behind, especially younger women who had been separated from the rest by the soldiers. Those who survived endured an ordeal of almost unimaginable horror. The burmese government doesnt regard the Rohingya Muslims as citizens of myanmar. Stuck in the camps in bangladesh, without official status, it will be hard for them to return home, even if they felt it was safe to do so. Lets talk to anita who has family in roe hind ga and she fled the country as a child. And sky wheeler from Human Rights Watch. They have been investigating rapes. Francis from the red cross. Anita, we have just heard some really, really upsetting testimony from women in particular who are being abused, raped, tortured, can you tell us about the Current Situation with your own family . I still have family in rakhine state. I have my aunt, four cousins from my maternal side. One of my entire family, from the paternal side, the aunt, including her children, they were trying to flee rakhine state. They were in the boat. The boat was hit by the navy or the military and the entire family side and the situation with my maternal aunts and cousins is that they are living under constant fear. They are under fear that they might not live in the coming hours, coming days. The situation is so dire that they even cannot go out. If they are trying to go out, have access to food, people beat them up and they dont have proper access to like food etcetera because the price has gone also very high. So they could not manage to buy even food and if the rakhine people are being business with them, business means buying and selling food, these are the kind of people that are selling the kind of people that are selling the food are being harassed by their own community. So literally people who are staying there in, the roe hind gas are being either they are being killed or harassed or starved to death. Skye wheeler, you have spoken to a number of rohingya women, what did they tell you . Two mainfindings, first women, what did they tell you . Two main findings, first of all widespread rape is so notjust in the massacres like the one discussed earlier in this segment, but in many different villages widespread rape was used as a tool of ethnic cleansing. It was one of the ways the Burmese Military forced people to flee and have traumatised women and girls so they are too afraid to go back home. Something else we found was how absolutely horrible, brutal and humiliating the rapes were. Almost all of the rape we documented work gang rapes, often as many as ten perpetrators, often children still in the room. Many of the women and girls we have spoken to work a on their breasts, hit or kicked during the rapes. They took place as women were trying to flee and in some cases women and girls we re and in some cases women and girls were gathered together by Security Forces and raped in gangs. Truly horrific and deeply traumatising and painful. Not only the immediate pain of the rape but then having to walk for days on very serious genital injuries. Then of course the emotional pain. The women and girls i interviewed were victims of ethnic cleansing, not just rape. I interviewed were victims of ethnic cleansing, notjust rape. Many had seen cleansing, notjust rape. Many had seen husbands ta ken cleansing, notjust rape. Many had seen husbands taken away, excruciating sadness and despair. What you have described is grotesque, absolutely horrific. When you say rape is being used as a tool for ethnic cleansing, what do you mean . Rape is terrifying, right . It terrifies whole communities, it attacks the individual but its also attacks the individual but its also a way of attacking a whole community and humiliating a whole community. Rape also. It is important to understand it doesnt just rape also. It is important to understand it doesntjust happen in the moment of the rape. A woman is raped, she is terrified and fleas, others hear about it, they are terrified and they flee. It also rape as a long term traumatising effect, so women and girls not only have been attacked but they have been psychologically and mentally traumatised. The thought of going backis traumatised. The thought of going back is terrifying. It is a highly effective way of conducting ethnic cleansing. Getting people out of an area, cleansing. Getting people out of an area , yes. Cleansing. Getting people out of an area, yes. Francis, iwonder if cleansing. Getting people out of an area, yes. Francis, i wonder if you could explain to our audience the conditions in some of the refugee camps right now. Victoria, the conditions are very harsh for these hundreds of thousands of people who have fled to bangladesh from myanmar. It is one of the most complex humanitarian crises we have dealt with in recent times. People are in desperate need of proper shelter. They are living really under nothing more than plastic sheeting and bamboo in many cases. We have huge challenges with providing clean Drinking Water to avoid the spread of disease and sanitation facilities, you can imagine, for so many people. And also doing whatever we can to help alleviate the Emotional Distress and trauma that people have been going through, to which your last speaker alluded so eloquently. Right. So you have the challenge of providing those basic essentials but trying to provide some kind of help for incredibly traumatised people. Yes, thats right. Our psychosocial programmes are obviously, a lot of them are directed towards children who are in very large numbers and need help to become children again after all they have gone through. The women obviously who have been affected by these traumatic ordeal is. But all some men, who somehow also need to open up about the experiences they have been through. I want to ask you all if i may, starting with you anita, why you think the International Community isnt doing more, why you think the civilian leader isnt doing them all, isnt doing anything. Let me start with Aung San Suu Kyi, she is doing something but it is for political gain. The International Community does not have any appetite to help the rohingya community, they have their own interests. Everybody wa nts to have their own interests. Everybody wants to have a piece of cake in the open society or open democratic country myanmar. And also the International Community has not labelled with the correct term which will provide protection. Ethnic cleansing does not bind the International Community to act. Even the Security Council has failed to come up with any resolution so the best thing is to first put the correct diagnosis, and that is genocide. I say this because years ago we were 3 million, and now more than 623,000 rohingyas have fled to bangladesh. Out of the remaining people, 1020 are still kept in camps, and there are also people dying. There is a hybrid government, including the civilian government, Aung San Suu Kyi has been responsible for the man made tragedy what we are facing now. Skye wheeler from the Human Rights Watch, why isnt someone from outside trying to intervene . Its an amazing question, it is unbelievable. Yesterday the Burmese Military put out a report in which they said their army had not raped a single woman and hadnt killed a single civilian and that the rules of engagement were scrupulously followed. It is absolutely astounding that they can come out and say Something Like that in the face of hundreds and hundreds of documented stories. People turning up in bangladesh, 600,000 of them with burns, some of them with bullet wounds, rape victims. And the army can get away with saying this and the International Community is not calling them out. Clearly they are not willing or able to investigate and prosecute the crimes that have happened, which we consider to be crimes against humanity. Whatever you call what has happened, International Crimes have been committed. They need to be acted upon. We need an icc investigation but even before then we need an arms embargo on burma and we need an arms embargo on burma and we need an arms embargo on burma and we need individual sanctions to be put in place on those most responsible. They shouldnt be able to fly and they should have their assets frozen. The United Nations Security Council have not been strong enough, must be stronger. Thank you very much, skye wheeler, and Francis Markus who is on the ground working in refugee camps, and anita schug, thank you, describing very eloquently what has happened to herfamily in very eloquently what has happened to her family in the area of myanmar where the rohingyas are fleeing from. A couple of comments from you, joe says shocking amounts of mass rape of the rohingya women. Yes, myanmars military crimes are their own but their arms suppliers are also responsible. Another comment, a question that needs asking, why arent other muslim countries and communities speaking out against the violence and helping these poor people, from dee. Just before 11 oclock and the trick tick is clocking as you know. Local councils are increasingly resorting to bailiffs to recover money they are owed. Well look at the numbers released by a leading debt charity and hearfrom a victim. And the incredible story of a british man who says he punched a shark in the face after it injured him in australia. Hell tell us the details. Apologies, we are really late to the news. Heres ben. This is bbc news our main stories. Inflation the rate of increase in prices for goods and services remained unchanged at 3 in october. The rate remains at a five year high with rising food prices offset by a fall in the cost of fuel, according to the office for national statistics. Mps will begin debating a key piece of brexit legislation the eu withdrawal bill. It will help turn european laws into uk ones but opponents including tory rebels have tabled scores of amendments. Meanwhile, a parliamentary report is warning a failure to complete the introduction of a new customs system by the date of brexit in 2019 would be catastrophic. A tory activist who says she was raped has told this programme that she feels disappointed, despite receiving a phone call from the leader of the house. Last night Andrea Leadsom called lisa wade whos waived her right to anonymity several months after the incident was first reported to her. Ms leadsom said she could not have acted on the report at the time because of an ongoing legal case. Human rights watch says the Burmese Security forces have committed widespread abuses during what they call a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya Muslim population. The organisation said Government Forces have committed mass killings, rape, arbitrary detention, and arson. More than half a million rohingya have fled a military offensive in the north of the country. Camps are being set up for tens of thousands of people made homeless by the powerful earthquake which struck the mountainous border region between iran and iraq. Iran is observing a day of National Mourning for the more than 450 people who were killed. Around 7,000 were injured. A man and woman have been arrested on suspicion of murdering a teenager who has not been seen for nearly a week. 19 year old gaia pope, who has severe epilepsy, was last seen on the seventh of november. Dorset police say a 19 year old man and a 71 year old woman were arrested after searches took place at two addresses in swanage. Officers say they were both known to gaia. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news. Heres some sport now with katherine downes. For the first time in 60 years italy will not be at the world cup. The champions lost on aggregate to sweden. A raft of experienced players have retired following the loss and the Italian Press have described the result as apocalypse. Wales centrejonathan davies will miss the six nations due to a foot injury. He needs surgery and that means his domestic season for scarlets may also be over. Moeen ali has recovered from side strain so will play against australia, after getting to know some of the local wildlife. Ali was named in the team for the final warm up match which starts tomorrow. Commonwealth champion dan keatings says there is a culture of fear within british gymnastics after some coaches claimed there was appalling leadership at the governing body. Thank you. A british doctor says he escaped a shark by punching it in the face, while he was surfing in australia. Charlie fry, who is 25, said the 6 foot long animal jumped out of the water and hit him in the right shoulder. He punched it while in the water north of sydney and then climbed back on his board. It felt like a hand grabbing me, like shaking me and it was just pure adrenalin. I genuinely thought i was going to die. You are about to be eaten alive by a shark. It just went from my shoulder, i got a big thud and then i turned to the right and i saw a sharks head come out of the water with its teeth and ijust punched it in the face. The mouth was in one bite doing that up to there. But in terms of the size, i would probably put it at, i dont know, five, six foot, maybe a bit less. Dude what a dude charlie fry, he is all right, thank goodness. Bailiffs were called in to collect debts by councils in england and wales on more than two million occasions last year, a charity has discovered. The Money Advice Trust says more could be done for the vulnerable in debt. That speak to someone who was confronted by bailiffs after failing to pay a parking fine. Daniel, thanks for talking to us. What happened . It was for a parking fine, i was happened . It was for a parking fine, iwas ina happened . It was for a parking fine, i was in a virtually empty car park. I got back to my car, i thought im not paying this, i have not caused a hazard or interrupted anybodys rights of access, interrupted the flow of commerce and i didnt think it was justified so i thought i would see it through to the end. Which meant what . Eventually bailiffs were knocking at my door, i was given plenty of notice that they we re was given plenty of notice that they were coming round. Why . Because they write to you first . Yes, they give you seven days notice, and ijust said look im not playing this paying this, i dont feel its justified. So they knocked at the door and did you open it . Isaid i said one minutes guys and i came in the house and got my camera and started filming them and that caused an argument about filming and then i told them, i says look, there is no one making a claim against me that i have caused them some sort of loss in anyway, im not going to be paying this and i told them about my other experiences i have with the bailiffs before when you just ignore it or dont pay, it goes away. The only thing they can really do is clamp yourcar only thing they can really do is clamp your car because the private bailiff firms havent go the power to force entry. Ok. Im going to bring in mike. Daniel says eventually they go away. Thats not a lwa ys eventually they go away. Thats not always the case, is it . No, its not. If you owe money, they are powered there are powers the bailiffs have and the Money Research trust shows that two thirds of councils are making more use of bailiffs and generally, there is a role for bailiffs, but i dont think it is the right way with people who are struggling. What sort of abuses are struggling. What sort of abuses are you talking about . At step change we carried out of a survey of clients and one in six had received a visit from the bailiff and about a quarter had tried to settle the bill over the phone, but the bailiff insisted on visiting because the bailiff makes money out of visiting which is paid by the person in debt. We need a change in the rules how bailiffs are paid because they are incentivised to do the wrong thing. It is frightening for the kids and embarrassing in front of your neighbours so we want to see this industry regulated. Im never saying the bailiffs are never needed, but they should be the last resort, not addsit they should be the last resort, not adds it sometimes appears with local authorities, the people who are most likely to send the bailiff round, not the banks. It appears too many are using as easy first resort. That must be costing them money . No, it is costing the person in debt money because it is the people in debt who have have to pay the fees for the bailiffs so it gets added to the debt. It puts them further in difficulties. And thats maybe one explanation why the councils are using them more . I think banks are smarter about collecting debts. They come and talk to you and arrange an affordable repayment plan and they get more money back than local authorities. The local authorities arent doing us Council Tax Payers any favours by using bailiffs. They need to be much smarter about helping people in the cant pay territory. Weve received a statement from the local Government Association, it says, no council wants to ask low income people for more money. However, councils have a duty to their residents to collect taxes these fund crucial services, such as caring for the elderly, protecting vulnerable children, keeping roads maintained and collecting bins. The statement went on to say with councils facing a £58 billion funding shortfall by 2020, its essential that these funds are collected. Thats fair enough, isnt it daniel . I would like to make a point. I think after 12 months from when the Council Apply for the county court judgment, it becomes null and void or it did when i was fighting parking tickets. After 12 months it becomes null and void and then they have to apply for another one and in my experience they have never renewed the ccj afterwards. For parking fines it gets to £450 or £500 and then they stop calling. They make two visits face to face visits the bailiffs. Thats been my experience. Ok. I would visits the bailiffs. Thats been my experience. Ok. Iwould urge visits the bailiffs. Thats been my experience. Ok. I would urge people not to follow that example. You must not to follow that example. You must not ignore the bill because it gets worse and worse. Yes, we want councils to collect the money thats owing to them. You get more money back if you negotiate and talk with people. Sending the bailiffs round does not bring in the money. All right, i will leave it there, thank you. Mike and daniel who had a number of parking tickets as you heard. An alleged rape victim who reported the attack to the commons authorities tells us exclusively she feels disappointed after receiving a phone call from the leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, last night. Lisa wade, a tory activist whos now waived her right to anonymity, says she only believes she was called at all as a result of us breaking the story and that she got a politicians answers. Last week we revealed the woman, who at that stage we were calling amanda went to the commons clerk several months ago to complain about the toxic culture of westminster. She said she felt it contributed to her alleged rape outside of parliament by a man who worked for a tory mp. The clerk reported those concerns and the attack to Andrea Leadsom, who didnt contact ms wade until our coverage on this programme. The man lisa wade accused of rape strongly denied the allegation and the case was eventually dropped after a review of the evidence. Here ms wade tells us about the phone call from Andrea Leadsom. She really wanted to change things in westminster so that the behaviour that i had witnessed could no longer occur. She wanted to take action by creating an independent grievance body for activists and workers in the future to go to. It was what i expected her to say really. Nothing more, nothing less. What do you think about the length of time it has taken the leader of the house of commons, Andrea Leadsom to contact you when you initially reported this backin you when you initially reported this back in august . I think it was far too long, but the conservative party certainly have a history of taking time to act on complaints made to them. So i wasnt surprised by the amount of time that it took, however i was disappointed by it because at the time i made the complaint i was expecting for, you know, to go to a court case, to go and see my attacker brought to trial. And i would have thought that when a case reaches that stage it should be fairly obvious that the allegation is incredibly serious and that its, you know, if its passed the police threshold test, that its credible. I expected her to apologise and i appreciate that she did so, but at the end of the day, i dont know what, you know, ideally i would have appreciated some reassurance that it wouldnt happen again. That women such as myself dont ever get put in that position again and dont ever get put in that position again and i think thats always been my objective. How can any politician make sure that that happens . For one, listening, these allegations, it is not just one, listening, these allegations, it is notjust me, they have been around for years regarding staffers and mps etcetera. Its, up until, you know, relatively recently you couldnt speak out and you would get verbally and reputationly abused for doing so. Are they listening now . I dont know. I dont know. But you are still not sure that they are taking this seriously . No. No. I think in the absence of an independent ombudsman or similar, its very difficult to sort of take that complaint process away from the individual parties and away interest those who are concerned about protecting reputations. Do you think you would have received a call at all from Andrea Leadsom if it wasnt for our intrir with you on this programme last week . No. No, i dont think so. In my experience, particularly with the issues that came out in 2015, it is only when the media draws attention to the nature of the concerns and applies due pressure on to them, that they start to respond and i think that response is, its not the right kind of response. They should be responding out of a genuine concern rather than the concern for bad press. We first reported your story last week. Initially, Andrea Leadsoms office denied they had been told about your alleged rape which happened away from the parliamentary estate. Later that day, they admitted she had been told, but said because of a police case was under way, there was nothing they could do. What do you think about the statement changing like that . Covering their backs. You know, i think had it been necessary significant evidence to, you know, perform the f0 request to show she was told. I think it was concern that that would come out through other means if it wasnt changed. How do you think generally theyve handled your complaint to them . respect the fact that as i say politicians dont feel they are gaining, but they have a duty to ta ke gaining, but they have a duty to take care when it involves individuals who work within parliament and particularly in youth groups and young people. You dont think thats happened in your case . No. How would you describe that . I think, you know, there have been a number of allegations of rape and serious sexual assaults in and around parliament. And i certainly think that because my complaint and my case didnt attract the Media Attention in that it occurred off the estate and it occurred in my own home i think that was used an an excuse to reject responsibility for anything to do with it. And you know, if i had of been given a proper chance to explain why i thought it was so important that they knew about this and were able to act accordingly i think they would have realised, you know, it was very much part and parcel of that environment. Daisy goodwin revealed that a Government Official touched her breast when she went for a meeting, she says, inside number ten. How do you react to that . Im not surprised. Ive had, you know, i have been groped in bars in westminster. This is in number ten, a Government Official, she says . Its that environment again. Its not the location. Its the bubble. Its a culture of permissiveness, its just nobody objects. Therefore, they think they can get away with what they like and it is very much women are very they like and it is very much women are very much sort of particularly when theyre young and theyre not necessarily as politically savvy as others or theyre from outside, you know, Young Students who have not been, you know, involved in politics for very long and they dont know how things are. They dont have the self confidence to say, hang on, no, this isnt right. And i think you know they take advantage of the fact that people are new and they are not, theyre scared, you know. If somebody attacked me in number ten i would probably do much the same as she did. I wouldnt necessarily have complained and i think, thats very much the same in other circles as well. People dont feel they can complain because its just normalised. Im sure the gentleman that attacked her didnt show any concern for her reaction or similar. Lisa wade. Andrea leadsoms office chose not to comment on the phone call and the man lisa wade accused denies the allegation. On the programme tomorrow we go behind the scenes of the type of rap videos that are accused of glorifying knife crime. Thank you very much for watching today. See you tomorrow. Good morning. Milder, but cloudier today. There are some breaks in that cloud, particularly for the south east of scotland. Just feeding into the far north of Northern Ireland and into the north east of england as well. Largely cloudy over much of Northern Ireland, england and wales. A few outbreaks of light rain and drizzle, but there will be some brea ks drizzle, but there will be some breaks in the cloud here and there. It will be mostly dry. Temperatures in the double figures. This evening and tonight, still showers this the far north that could be heavy. The odd rumble of thunder mixed in, but they will ease. Clearer skies in the north mean that the temperatures will be a bit cooler. Fairly cloudy with outbreaks of rain across england and wales and i think we will see a few patches of fog developing. That fog could be dense and uncertainty as to how quickly it will lift as we move through tomorrow morning. The best of the brightness in the north. A few outbreaks of light rain and drizzle for england and wales. Temperatures still in the double figures. This is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11. Mps begin debating the smallprint of the eu withdrawal bill, the key piece of brexit legislation. Inflation remained steady at a five and a half year high of 3 in october. The struggle to help thousands of survivors of the earthquake in iran forced outdoors in bitterly cold temperatures. The Television Producer and writer, Daisy Goodwin who created the itv drama, victoria claims she was groped by a Government Official during a visit to number ten. Also