A deal is essential. For all the preparation we do, its like putting up sandbags to prevent floodwaters. Well probably still lose the kitchen, but we might save the bedroom. Borisjohnsons in scotland today. His own leader there says she wont back a no deal. Three people have been shot dead at a Food Festival in california by a gunman who cut through the perimeter fence. He was killed by police within minutes. We heard people shrieking and screaming and everyone going, active shooter, active shooter, run well bring you the latest. And, cannabis will be legalised within 10 years according to a group of mps whove been to canada to see how the drug is controlled there. One even tried it for himself. Im sort of quite hostile about drugs generally, thats where i come from as a parent but i want this purely for sleeping. Well speak to one of the mps who says hes changed his mind on the issue after the trip. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 00am this morning. Do you agree with the mps whove been to canada on a cannabis fact finding trip . Will it be legal here in the next 5 10 years . Should it be . Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victoria live. If youre emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the Programme Please include your phone number in your message. If you text, youll be charged at the Standard Network rate. First, rebecca has the news. Three people have been killed in a shooting at a Food Festival in california. Video posted on social media showed crowds fleeing at the annual garlic festival in the small town of gilroy, which is around 80 miles south of san francisco. At least 15 people have been injured and the gunman was also killed, but police say there are reports that he had an accomplice, who remains at large. We have one suspect we know that is down. We have some witnesses reporting that there may have been a second suspect but we dont know if that suspect was engaged in any shooting, or whether they may have been in some sort of support role for the person we have accounted for. The Prime Minister will travel to scotland today to announce £300 million of funding for businesses there and in wales and northern ireland. Mrjohnson wants to underline his commitment to the union, which is seen by some as under threat from his willingness to embrace a no deal brexit. Labour said the money was nowhere near enough to make up for almost a decade of austerity. Britains biggest Business Group, the cbi, is warning that neither the uk nor the eu are prepared for a no deal brexit by the governments deadline at the end of october. The cbi has issued a new report containing 200 proposals which it says will help reduce, but not remove, the threat of disruption. A government spokesman said the uk had increased the pace of planning for no deal. The french Parent Company of the carmaker vauxhall says it could move all production from its factory at Ellesmere Port in cheshire if brexit makes it unprofitable. More than 1000 workers are employed at the plant and closing it would leave the van factory in luton as vauxhalls only presence in the uk. Police are investigating suspected homophobic abuse after footage of a woman shouting shame on you at people on a pride march was shared online. A video posted on twitter shows a woman yelling at people, including one person in a rainbow flag. Police say they are aware of the footage, which was reportedly taken at the Waltham Forest pride event in North East London on saturday. Parts of the uk could face further flooding today with thunderstorms and heavy rain expected in South West England and wales. More than 20 flood warnings are already in place in the midlands and north west england, meaning immediate action should be taken. Half a months worth of rain fell in just 2a hours across parts of england over the weekend. The duchess of sussex has become the first person to guest edit the September Edition of British Vogue the magazines most important issue of the year. Meghan has chosen to feature 15 so called change makers on the cover. The duchess declined to appear on the cover herself, telling the editor she felt it would be boastful. Thats the latest news for now. Back to victoria. The cbi, the body representing big business, says that neither the uk nor the eu is prepared for a no deal brexit by the deadline of 31st october. Their report contains 200 proposals which they say will help reduce, but not remove, the threat of disruption. The warning comes as the new Prime Minister, borisjohnson, travels to scotland to announce £300 million to support projects. He will also meet the scottish conservative leader, ruth davidson. She has warned she wont support a no deal exit from the eu. Michael gove, the man in charge of preparing for a no deal outcome, said yesterday the government now assumes that no deal is the likely scenario. Ive been talking tojosh hardie, the Deputy Director general of the cbi. The thing we recognise is that no deal feels much the more likely, so its right to escalate preparation. I think there is, we recognise the good work thats been done, and there is a lot more that can be done. There are whole areas, data is a clear example for services, where its very unlikely we will get full resolution before october 31. Delays at borders, all those things are likely to happen, so, yes, we need to be ready for disruption, but all those things we can fix, now is the time to do it. Is this not a flip flopping of your position because i thought you supported a deal, in fact, theresa mays old steel. In fact, theresa mays old deal. We absolutely do think a deal is essential, for all the preparation we do, its like putting up sandbags to prevent the floodwaters. Well probably still lose the kitchen, but we might save the bedroom. So every effort, just as we put effort into preparation, every effort needs to go into getting that deal, and that needs flexibility from both sides, because neither side is ready. Michael gove believes no deal is now a very real prospect. Where does that leave british businesses in your view . They are very concerned. I think the businesses we are talking to, you see across the economy that investment in the uk has dropped by 26 , thats the mark of uncertainty around brexit, so businesses dont want no deal. Theyve done a really good job in getting prepared, but without more government guidance, from customs to carbon, they cant get prepared for everything. So deeply concerned, very, very pragmatic, but very hopeful a deal can be done. Which companies and which sectors do you think are most exposed to these risks . We hear a lot aboutjust in time manufacturing, so automotive, aerospace, and its very clear why thats such a problem. If you put friction into those supply chains you have real problems. Other areas, financial services, life sciences, they are probably a bit better prepared but still the lack of clarity about regulation is a real problem for them. I think most worryingly at the moment, smaller businesses, where they dont necessarily have the time, cash or expertise to prepare, or necessarily have the time to see what the impact could be, so they could be particularly exposed. When you think about Small Businesses, they are not going to have any more time or cash. Is it too late for them . Its not too late, and i think there isa its not too late, and i think there is a huge amount, only 10 of Small Businesses have registered for the numbers they need in order to get through customs in the event of no deal and that can be escalated and government can do more around that and there are Funds Available to help them. But we have to be very clear, this doesnt make it all all right. We have to get that deal and its the only way to have a smooth exit. What you make of Dominic Raabs comments this morning . Exit. What you make of Dominic Raabs comments this morning . Its good to hear the government to prioritise a deal. Its right that they are escalating preparation, but what we really need to see from both sides is both being willing to be flexible, not just sides is both being willing to be flexible, notjust looking at the other two flecks, both of them coming together. This cant be beyond the wit of the best negotiators in the uk and eu to find a deal after such a close relationship and it takes both of them. It appears it is beyond their wit and your report suggests the eu is less prepared than the uk. In many areas the eu is less prepared. A lot of their measures are temporary, six months on education and nine months for truck drivers. A lot because they are dealing with 27 states, its a bit fragmented. Most concerning the possibly is the status of uk citizens living in the eu so absolutely the eu has skin in this game as well, get round the table and use that to drive a deal through. How long will it take for businesses to recover, do you think . I think it will vary very much across the sectors. There will be short term disruption and that is where the preparation now can make a bit of a difference. I think the most worrying thing is the long term competitiveness of the uk. The number of Global Investors we talked about the moment to say, actually its all looking a bit too shaky and i cant place my bet there, it is hitting us right now. If we dont show the world the uk is still a great place to do business, because it really is, it could hit for a long time afterwards. Lets get more from our political guru norman smith. What will westminster make of the cbi report . I think they will be concerned that we have such a long way to go in terms of no deal planning when the timescale is now incredibly short, just three months until Boris Johnson says we are leaving come what may, which is why we now see this shake up in whitehall to try to put in place the machinery to get us ready for no deal, so there will be daily meetings chaired by michael gove, where they will try to set deadlines and make things happen, and then there will be twice weekly meetings, more strategic meetings chaired by Boris Johnson meetings, more strategic meetings chaired by borisjohnson and other key ministers. I think that will be the main forum for the big brexit decisions. The name of the game is not just to try and step decisions. The name of the game is notjust to try and step up preparations, its also to crank up the pressure on the eu so they are under no illusion that they are deadly serious about leaving if we cant get an agreement. But the great unknown at westminster is where does Boris Johnson great unknown at westminster is where does borisjohnson stand in this conundrum, because there are some who are saying, look, we can get a deal, it is achievable. Labour mps in leave supporting constituencies will probably support it if you put it back to the commons for a fourth time. But other tory mps are saying, no, its a waste of time, game over for an mps are saying, no, its a waste of time, game overfor an agreement mps are saying, no, its a waste of time, game over for an agreement and there simply isnt available parliamentary days to get legislation through. Just go for a no deal outcome. At the moment they are both battling for Boris Johnsons here and we dont really know where he stands. Thank you, norman. Im joined by labour mp and chair of the Public Accounts Committee meg hillier, and from scotland by the snp mp Ian Blackford, and from leicester by alberto costa, the conservative mp who lost his job in the government trying to guarantee the rights of eu citizens who live in the uk. Good morning to you all. Starting with meg hillier, i think you have done ten reports so far, at least ten and counting, in terms of britains preparedness for brexit. Where are we right now . Civil services have to prepare for all eventualities, no deal and a deal. The deal came forward but we are now beyond the point of no return for making preparations so despite the bluster from the Prime Minister today about setting up all these procedures, that has been happening already because you have to make decisions and select contracts and so on. Decisions and select contracts and so on. But lets be clear, there is no democratic mandate for no deal. Even when the Prime Minister was leading the league campaign, he said it would be easy, promised so, that we would be trading on the same terms and he is now promising to tear that up and crash out with no deal. We have heard from big business but Small Businesses will really struggle with this. |j business but Small Businesses will really struggle with this. I put the question to the cbi representative and he said its not too late. One of the abiding concerns of the cross party of the abiding concerns of the Cross Party Committee is that Small Businesses, the amount of money they have had to pay, some of them have never had to fill out a customs declaration and they will have to find an agent, and all these bureaucratic procedures for Small Businesses will be very impactful. If we crash outcome you cant trade freely with the eu, you will have ta riffs freely with the eu, you will have tariffs and costs as well as the bureaucracy and its a big impact on Small Businesses which are not ready. Alberto, norman smith, our political correspondent, he was saying we just dont know where borisjohnson saying we just dont know where Boris Johnson stands on saying we just dont know where borisjohnson stands on this. Do you know . Three years ago the vote to leave campaign made the pledge that there would be no change for eu citizens, that they would be automatically granted indefinite leave to remain and they would be treated no less favourably than they are presently treated. Here it is, that pledge. Let me be very clear, for the last three years i have been championing in the house of commons the protection of not just championing in the house of commons the protection of notjust eu nationals here in the united kingdom, but british citizens resident in the eu. The problem with no deal is this. Although we can ta ke no deal is this. Although we can take some measures to protect eu nationals here, we have no power to protect british citizens in the eu. Some of those countries that have already passed legislation, like spain, to protect british citizens, those measures are contingent on our passing legislation first to protect eu nationals here. Thats not been done. There is absolutely no guarantee in law to protect eu nationals. We have had a new Prime Minister for less nationals. We have had a new Prime Ministerfor less than nationals. We have had a new Prime Minister for less than a week. Have you had any assurances in that week from him that these rights will be guaranteed . I have personally spoken to boris. I have sent him text messages, and on thursday he said he would unequivocally guarantee absolutely the rights of eu nationals. Sol absolutely the rights of eu nationals. So i am now looking forward to the legislation that will do that and on the vote leave pledge, as well as the pledge is the new Prime Minister has made. In the absence of legislation to protect eu nationals, then that guarantee is worthless. So it is absolutely imperative that the government propose legislation to guarantee and protect those rights so they can also protect the rights of the 1. 3 million british citizens that live and work in the eu. We cannot, as parliamentarians, permit a situation that overnight would allow 1. 3 million british citizens to lose their rights. I voted for the Withdrawal Agreement three times. I wa nt Withdrawal Agreement three times. I want to leave the European Union, but i want to honour my pledge to my constituents, which is to leave the European Union in a smooth and orderly manner, and that means protecting british Citizens Rights in the eu. Ian blackford, you have recently branded Prime Minister borisjohnson the last Prime Minister of the uk. What exactly did you mean by that . I think people in scotland are looking on a at what is happening with the election of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister. He has not been voted in by the people of scotland or by parliamentarians. He has been elected Prime Minister by a group of tory mps. Looking at the polling in scotland, more than three quarters of the people in scotland do not trust borisjohnson. I would simply say to him that he has to respect the wishes of the scottish people. We voted heavily to remain, 6238 people. We voted heavily to remain, 62 38 and there is no better deal than the one we have at the moment. The fear we have is that if boris takes us out on a no deal basis, it could cost up to 100,000 jobs in scotland. The government under theresa may warned us there is a risk two Food Supplies and the supply of medicines. This is the height of responsibility. I would say to all parliamentarians, we have responsibilities to our constituents. I know there is a majority in parliament against no deal and when we return in september we have to flex our muscles and ensure legislation can be brought forward by members of parliament that stops this nonsense. That Boris Johnson is told quite simply, no, you will not be doing this because it is an act of sheer vandalism on the uk economy that will disempower constituents, make people poorer, and boris will simply not get away with this. Alberto, parliament might not be able to stop this. It hasnt been ruled out. All talk at once sorry, Ian Blackford, iwas been ruled out. All talk at once sorry, Ian Blackford, i was asking alberto. Let me repeat, the Vote Leave Campaign won the referendum andl leave campaign won the referendum and i want to respect the referendum result. But they made a clear pledge to respect absolutely the rights of citizens. They have to one of that before we can leave the European Union, so if they want me to honour the vote leave victory, which is what i want to do, they must honour the pledges they made to the british electorate, that eu nationals rights will be absolutely guaranteed and enshrined in law, and they would not be treated any less favourably than they are now. Until that legislation is now proposed by downing street, and i am waiting for it, i downing street, and i am waiting for it, lam downing street, and i am waiting for it, i am waiting for boris to honour the pledge he made to me, once he proposes that to the house of commons, i proposes that to the house of commons, lam proposes that to the house of commons, i am confident the whole house of commons will unite around the protection of citizens. British nationals in the eu and eu nationals here in the united kingdom. Bringing meg hillier back in, we have heard a lot about Citizens Rights and we have heard from the cbi about preparedness in terms of business. What is the big issue here and can it be overcome in the next however many days . Boris johnson is saying there is no deal he can accept with europe. There is a deal on the table although parliament has rejected it. The idea we cant get around the table, and as the cbi say, actually negotiate. Frankly, there is no democratic mandate, and as Ian Blackford has said, borisjohnson was selected by 0. 13 of the population as Prime Minister so there is no mandate. Nobody voted for this chaos, we need to go back to the people to decide. Nobody voted for no deal. Well, some people may have done, but i dont believe it is the majority view of the country and certainly not of parliament. Thank you for your time. Three people have been killed and 15 injured by a gunman at a Food Festival in california. He was shot soon after he opened fire. The gilroy garlic festival was about to end for the weekend on sunday evening when the suspect entered the festival after cutting through a perimeter fence. At the when events unfolded was vivian zhang. Shes back at back home in oakland now and can speak to us on webcam. Thank you forjoining us. Describe for our viewers what it was you saw. I was there with my roommate and two other friends. We were sitting in the Food Court Area for a while, about five minutes before he had opened fire, we had decided to walk more towards the exits to leave. We we re more towards the exits to leave. We were about halfway to the exit and i was standing beside a truck with my friend. We heard a bunch of cracks and pops, sounds like a firecracker. I looked over and in my peripheral there was a kind of gone flash, a flash of light, and on the ground i saw ricochets of bullets. A gun flash. We looked at each other and asked, are there fireworks going on right now . The truck we were standing behind had got hit by three 01 standing behind had got hit by three orfour standing behind had got hit by three or four bullets. My friend looked at me and said, they arent fireworks, we have to run now. We started running. There was a big, panicked crowd at that moment. It was very terrifying. It sounds absolutely terrifying. It sounds absolutely terrifying. Did you even know where to run to . Since i had already been making my way towards an exit, i kind of knew to go more that way, but it was actually mostly because eve ryo ne but it was actually mostly because everyone was running that way. So we just starting running that way out of natural instinct. We had heard so many people screaming at everybody yelling, shooter, shooter, everybody running. There were kids looking for their parents, parents looking for their parents, parents looking for their kids. Parents scooping up their kids. Parents scooping up their kids. Parents scooping up their kids and running as fast as they could. It was a very natural thing to keep on going in the same way they were going and as fast as i could. How quick do you think the police were to respond . It sounds horrendous. We had just realised and started running. As we were running out, security were running in. This was the festival security that was already there. They were running in and looking at us and saying to keep moving as fast as we could. We can go towards the bus shuttles. They we re go towards the bus shuttles. They were moving in. When we finally got out of the festival ground, we ran straight into the parking lot area where there were shuttles, bus shuttles, to take us to our different parking lot areas. We just jumped right onto one. A festival staff member was waiting there to telling us to go on to this one right away. We went on it and waited a little bit for other people to come onto it and then we started going. While we were leaving the festival to our parking lot, we saw Police Officers coming in. Thank you for your story. We really appreciate it. Im so glad you are now safe. Speaking to us from oakland. Thank you. Cannabis will be legalised in the next 5 10 years a bold statement, perhaps, but one thats been made by a Cross Party Group of mps whove just returned from a fact finding trip to canada. Last year, canada became the first g7 country to legalise the Recreational Use of the drug. One mp on the trip, the lib dem norman lamb, bought and used the drug himself while he was there. Another the labour mp david lammy says the trip has changed his mind and he now backs legalisation. Well be speaking to him shortly. The government however has told the bbc it has no intention of changing the law. Radio1 newsbeats Political Editor jim connolly travelled with the politicians. You could go to prison for a very long time in britain if youve got anything like this. Theres been a big shift in attitudes towards cannabis in the last few years. Last year Billy Caldwells mum fought for him to get access to cannabis oil, to help with his severe epilepsy. His case led to a big change at the end of 2018. Medicinal cannabis products can now legally be prescribed to some patients across the uk for the first time. Globally where thats happened its often not been long before Recreational Use of the drug has followed. Take for example canada. It legalised cannabis in october last year, the first major western country to do so. So should the uk follow suit . A Cross Party Group of british mps have come to canada to see what some call the worlds biggest drug experiment. David lammy, the prominent labour mp for tottenham, hes concerned current drug laws unfairly criminalise young black people. Sir norman lamb from the lib dems, which backed legalisation, and Jonathan Djanogly from the conservatives. He describes himself as an open book on the subject and has always voted with his party, which opposes changes to the law. Two things youre going to hear mentioned a lot in this film are thc and cbd two of the main active chemical compounds in cannabis. Thc is what gets you high and cbd balances out some of the negative effects of thc and some claim it can help with sleep, anxiety and pain symptoms. You know people that do, whether they be friends or family members. The first day of the trip is all about mps hearing from the police and fellow politicians here. My position as agrarian chief was to regulate it, control it and tax it. The tour so far has been a lot of talks, a lot of experts, economists coming along to try and persuade people in the group that this is the way we should do things back in the uk. Now things have got a bit more interesting because they have come out to see how it is done out here in real life. This is the first stop on the tour, this is the shop a legal dispensary selling cannabis. It is probably the first chance the mps and the rest of the group have had of seeing how things are done over here. I will tell you, the first thing that surprised me is how clean and well kept it is. They are very highly regulated. I have just been talking to them. I wasnt expecting this. One of the mps in the group wants to try some. Which do you tend to use . Ive done this one. As someone who was central to the liberal democrats becomiing the First Major Party to back legalisation, he wants to know how it will affect him. Thank you very much. Thank you. Sir norman, talk us through what you purchased. So this is a small amount of thc, balanced with cbd. I am sort of quite hostile about drugs generally. Thats where i come from as a parent. But i want this purely for sleeping. The trip has been organised by a london based campaign group, volte face. It wants the uk to legalise weed. Its part funded by a big Cannabis Company here in north america called mpx. Theyve paid for most of the people to be here but, like us, david and norman have funded themselves. After seeing it being sold, the mps have come to see a large scale growing operation. First up a change of clothes. Ive got no hair. Do i still need this on my head . After the rigmarole of getting changed, passing through some really strict security, the first thing that hits you is the smell. And then just the size of the operation. What is the value of this stash . It is also really loud in here because of all the ventilation fans. What they told us is the weed in this room alone could be worth up to 300,000 Canadian Dollars thats over £180,000. And they can do five crops a year, making each room like this worth close to £1 million a year. What do you make of it . I think you could go to prison for a very long time in britain if youve got anything like this. There does not appear to be the same level of debate about psychosis as there is in the uk and i havent fully understood why that is. I am really worried at the amount of seriously hard, potent skunk that young people are consuming and some of them it is leading to Mental Health issues and psychosis. So here you see proper labelling, you are usually able to talk to someone who is quite informed about thc levels and cbd levels. Scott boyes is the boss of mpx which runs this facility. I put it to him that he was trying to use his money to influence british politicians. We have been happy to be a host to them, to give them some exposure to the business, to give them some understanding of what is happening here in north america. If that helps make the right decisions in united kingdom, it is money well spent for us. And potentially money well spent for your shareholders who might make a lot of money. If we can get a look. The guy he makes our mri machine makes many. The doctor that performs surgery makes many. To say we dont have a profit motive would be lying. Of course we do. We are in business to make money but we are also in business to help the industry grow and to protect people. Quite nervous. Yeah. Thats because hes about to take the cannabis oil he bought earlier. So now im supposed to put it on under my tongue. Hello. First question has got to be, did you sleep better last night . Quite hard tojudge because ive been falling asleep very quickly here anyway because these are long days we are doing. But, you know, if anything, underwhelmed. No great dramatic impact. There was nothing in my experience last night that has changed my view. The mps have had a bit of time to digest what they saw, so im heading back to westminster to see what they made of it. Do you think cannabis should be legalised like it is in canada . From what i learned so far, im not convinced that we have the research, or the knowledge, about how to replace the criminality that currently goes with it. The logic makes absolute sense, to regulate and control is so much better than to leave in the hands of criminals. On the trip, i always got the sense that you were moving more towards normans position. Have you moved to normans position . Where do you stand now on the legalisation of cannabis . I think i probably broadly agree with norman. So to legalise. Yes. I was always of the view that it is insane to be criminalising as many young people as we are. Once you are saying it is ok for medicinal use, you are on a pipeline. That is absolutely patently obvious. Lets do it properly, considered. But lets have a proper cross party commission, look at the evidence, look at the facts and do it in a way that works for our country. Hearing mps here in the uk talk like that about legalising cannabis feels like a real shift in attitudes. This is no longer a Campaign Based on some kind of right to take whatever drug you fancy, this is now a debate about protecting young people, tax, and how big business can move in and replace criminal gangs. Will that be enough to shift the minds of those at the top of government . That is the big question. We will be speaking to david lambie in about five minutes time or so. Did you know that there is a mechanism which allows anyone to ask for a crown Court Sentence to be reviewed if you think its too lenient. Only certain types of cases are eligible, including murder, rape, robbery and some other crimes including some Serious Fraud and drugs offences, and some child sex crimes and child cruelty. The victims commissioner Dame Vera Baird believes there are other case areas which should be included, including coercive control, stalking and dangerous driving. We can speak now to Dame Vera Baird, whos the victims commissioner for england and wales, and elaina binney, whose ex partner received a suspended sentence for harassment. Good morning to you both. Vera, if i may start with you, could you explain to our viewers fight this scheme exists. Yes. Its had its 30th birthday and prior to that, if there was a very lenient sentence, there was a very lenient sentence, there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about it, the attorney general, the government, no one and Public Confidence was put at risk. For instance, in the old days there was certainly a case i recall, someone was sentenced was certainly a case i recall, someone was sentenced to four months in custody for raping a six year old, absolutely outrageous sentence, six year old, absolutely outrageous sentence, everyone agreed six year old, absolutely outrageous sentence, everyone agreed there was nothing to be done. In 1988, this scheme is brought in and now any member of the public and its often victims which is how it comes to me, can write and if they feel the sentence was unduly lenient. The attorney general looks to see whether legally that is right and he can appeal to the court of appeal and frequently, the court of appeal to increase sentences in that situation. So its a good public right but its limited to a schedule of offences which has been there for a long time. Theyve adapted it, to be fair, to include trafficking but what the public worries about, in terms of lenient sentencing moves on of course with time and in particular, because of control which is the worst kind of Domestic Abuse is the worst kind of Domestic Abuse is now a crime but it isnt in the scheme and stalking, which is a very worrying crime which escalates, is now known to be a crime but it isnt in the scheme so it needs to be kept up to date and reviewed. In the scheme so it needs to be kept uptodate and reviewed. The attorney general s office says they are looking into extending the scheme and they pointed that theyve added a further 19 terror related offences to this. Are you confident even that they will extend it further to areas that you are talking about, course of control, for example . They might well and i think they certainly showed so for insta nce think they certainly showed so for instance stalking has just had its sentence doubled, its maximum sentence. Ourjudges apprised of that and understood the thinking behind it, there have been some very worrying low sentence ends up in the north east of england where ive recently been, there was a case where a man stalked a woman endlessly, in this text, messages, broke into her house, dragged her about by her hair, told her she was going to end up like a famous local case of a stalker killing and he got a suspended sentence. Coercive control, dreadful cases, a petition in swindon about this case, a victim was kept in the upstairs by her partner, completely imprisoned, much too scared to go out even to the lavatory when he was in the house, he beat her, threatened her, told her she should sell her body for £3. Appalling. The woman will take an enormous amount of time to recover from that level of treatment. Thats not in the scheme, he got a suspended sentence. Quite clearly these are cases that are going to upset the public, that we now understand are very damaging, very dangerous, that we didnt know 30 yea rs dangerous, that we didnt know 30 years ago so im confident there is flexibility in the thinking available. Lets certainly hope so, i know youve been listening. What happened to you and do you think the scheme could have helped you in any way . Yes, i think it could. My ex husband bombarded me with text messages, e mails, he got in touch with my work, just frightening, followed with my work, just frightening, followe d m e with my work, just frightening, followed me home and everything. I do think it would make a big difference, yes. Did you know about this game when this was all happening . Id never heard of it. Youd never heard of it . No. As it currently stands, the case wouldnt have even come under it, it would need this extension that fear is talking about. If it was extended, would it have been something you would it have been something you would have applied for, do you think . Definitely. It was a horrendous experience for you but theres your wider family to think about as well. It affected my parents and my brother. Really badly. Because, you know, they trusted him and knew him and he turned and turned up at my parents address, swearing, being abusive to them as well as to me. It was horrible all round. You were listening to that. Do you think a case like that should be included in any kind of extension to this scheme . Yes, i do. Yes. And she does clearly a nd scheme . Yes, i do. Yes. And she does clearly and she makes another very important point which the scheme needs to be promoted. If this is to bea needs to be promoted. If this is to be a way in which Public Confidence is kept. The public need to know about it. There is a very short time from the sentence to the application having been got to court so it has to be very quickly. That possibly ought to be widened in terms of time but definitely, people need to know about it. The bbc have done a freedom of information request and they found that one third of all requests were dismissed for this scheme, dismissed outright because the crimes committed were not eligible for review. What does that say about the current state of the criminal Justice System . Say about the current state of the criminalJustice System . It looks as if, doesnt it, that the scheme has not kept up with what is causing the public real concern and i would say that these headlines cases, course of control and stalking are key ones and another thing that is not within the scheme is looking at indecent images stop there is a story of a man who was on a suspended sentence for looking at many indecent images and then was caught with a million and then was caught with a million and was put back onto a suspended sentence. Now we understand properly that for every photograph there is a victim who is a child, sentencing needs to reflect that the public would no doubt not think that was an appropriate level of punishment. Ok, thank you both very much, we really appreciate your time. Thank you. Coming up its the love island finale tonight but whos been running the contestants social media accounts while theyve been in the villa . Well find out more later in the programme cannabis will be legalised within five to ten years. David lammy is here along with Liz Mcculloch who works at volteface, the lobbying group who organised the trip to canada, and paul attenborough, a former Police Officer who specialised in the investigation of drug related offences. Hello and good morning to all of you. David, why did you change your mind . Canada is a big, serious country, like our own. What i did was i got to go and look up close at hand Justin Trudeau because my decision has gone over the last six months. And what i found was obviously theres been an increase in people taking the drug legally, ina in people taking the drug legally, in a regulated way and they can tax it. Most importantly, and he stressed this when he made the change, they are now better able to protect young people, both with Public Education but importantly, once the state has regulated the drug, there is much more information about whats in it, its content and you are driving out a criminal market and for all of those reasons, and because, in the end, once you have made the decision and we have in this country, to allow medicinal use, once you can go to Health Stores and get cbd oil which you can in britain, the truth is likely you are on a course to legally regulating the markets of the question now in britain is how you do that anyway thats responsible. Paul, if i can bring you in, you served for 30 years in the police force. What damage or what impact did you see cannabis having on the communities you were serving . They describe cannabis as a gateway drug andl describe cannabis as a gateway drug and i would certainly agree it can be for certain individuals, not every individual is the same because some people will stick with cannabis but then it introduces you to that element of drug taking. So if you wa nt element of drug taking. So if you want to get a bigger height you might experiment with drugs and the defects young people and young people are more prone to actually taking those drugs. What about this kind of idea you can go on a fact finding trip and find out about whats going on in canada. Do you think its too early to say, they only legalised it last year . Eight months, like you said, its a big country. Their principles of legalising it involved cutting crime and also taking cash away for the criminals. That wont happen because criminals. That wont happen because criminal gangs adapt, they are very clever, you may legalise cannabis, you sell it for £30 a gram which is legal, they sell it for £10 a gram, where do they go . Its proven, weve seen where do they go . Its proven, weve seen it with cigarettes, alcohol. I dont know anyone who buys legal cigarettes. Because the market is that flooded with illegal cigarettes, they buy it from backstreet boozers. From shops. So, because their less than half the price. Thats certainly a concern that keeps coming up in a lot of comments we are getting from viewers. This, your organisation that organised this trip, you are partly owned by a company that grows and sells cannabis. In north america. Are you not . We are not, we are part funded by a company that grows and sells cannabis in north america as well as we are funded by philanthropy and donations from the website. Isnt thisjust a marketing trip are you . Its a study trip. The situation in the uk at the moment is 59 of people support legalisation and we thought its really important that with momentum building behind this issue in the uk that we to charities, think tanks and mps over to canada to see how the experiment is panning out. David, lots of viewers have been in touch and said they are absolutely appalled by the idea of legalising cannabis, people talking about their own children who suffered from psychosis, this seems to bea suffered from psychosis, this seems to be a particular problem for young people, whilst their brains are still developing. Thats right. One of the issues we have is that the cannabis available in the uk is very high on thc, the stuff that can make you go mad. Is that not a problem, are we not opening ourselves and our young people up to far greater risk . Its a huge problem. Two and a half billion pound criminal market, young people at the moment can get cannabis more readily than they can get tobacco. Many of them are blowing their minds apart, its uncontrolled, we dont know whats in it, its been done in back rooms. Do you want to regulate it because this is happening now. You want the state to have some say . Do you want labelling, control over potency or do you want to leave it to the drug barons . Thats the decision and at the moment, working class communities, working class young people, being criminalised because im afraid the drug market in this country is bigger than anywhere else in europe. Just to pick up on that point, cannabis possession isnt often prosecuted in britain and of the just over often prosecuted in britain and of thejust over 16,000 often prosecuted in britain and of the just over 16,000 convictions backin the just over 16,000 convictions back in 2016, 292 ended up with any jail time so is it fair to say cannabis really criminalises young people . You tell a workingclass kid from salford hes been given a caution and cannot get a job that he hasnt been criminalised. You tell a young black man from tottenham that hes not been criminalised and actually come across the country, its patchy. If you are in devon and cornwall you might end up with a custodial sentence, in london, cornwall you might end up with a custodialsentence, in london, it might bea custodialsentence, in london, it might be a different story, that the situation also in canada and importantly, the person in canada who led the commission was a police chief and i suspect, that if we did it over here, you would absolutely have to have the police, medics and cross party m ps have to have the police, medics and Cross Party Mps engaged in how we did it. You were listening to that, paul, do you think weve even got the funding to Police Something like this if it was regulated and it was made legal here, do you think the police would be able to keep a handle on all of this . It would become a priority, because its legal, so the police will divert their attention to other significant matters. More important things. This is very important. Because you were 20 years working on drugs offences. But we are not doing very well at the moment. You think we will do better by legalising it . If you are youngin better by legalising it . If you are young in britain you can readily access the stuff now, online, instagram, we are not doing very well, two and half billion pound market. Im saying can we do something about this . And im not sure we are going to have the funds over the next year to throw Police Resources on dealing with cannabis will probably, we ought to regulate, especially if he said its ok for people who have illnesses and get it medicinally. Lets talk about what is going on elsewhere, in north america in some states it is now legal, the case in canada, from what you see, over in north america, is there a model that tends to work better, can we get round some of these problems in some way . |j better, can we get round some of these problems in some way . I think these problems in some way . I think the model we should be looking to as the model we should be looking to as the canadian model, of all the models in the world its the one the uk is most likely to base itself on. There is plain packaging, theres not much advertising and also its a whole country. There is only one other country in the world that is legalised and we really should be looking to a country that legalised cannabis rather than individual states. It hasnt got rid of the fa ct states. It hasnt got rid of the fact that it is available, cheap stuff, horrible stuff, stuff pumped full of all sorts of nasties is now on the market as well in canada. Illegal sales are going down, in the First Quarter of legalisation 10 of canadas bot was legal and have 47 of the cannabis but is legal, thats a dramatic improvement in how much legal sales there are. And im happy with the way that line is moving. You mention the candidate model, youre allowed to carry 30 grams of dried cannabis which is a skunk cannabis, the female flowering plant, whichever way you want to describe it, high potent cannabis, 30 grams. You are allowed. This is the canada model we are discussing. Just give paul a moment to finish his point. 30 grams of cannabis, you are his point. 30 grams of cannabis, you a re allowed his point. 30 grams of cannabis, you are allowed to grow four cannabis plants in a residence. For cannabis plants. Some of the cannabis strains now you can get 200 grams of usable female flowering top material from those plans. So there is a potential for 800 grams. I think thats a question of how we regulate it rather than how or if we should legalise it. David, final question, do you really think the government is going to push this through . Is it realistic, 5 10 years, this could be legal . Once you have allowed medicinal use, as night follows day there will be some that say why cant i take this legally, recreationally . And once youve got cbd oilfrom recreationally . And once youve got cbd oil from canada recreationally . And once youve got cbd oilfrom canada from cannabis in our healthjobs cbd oilfrom canada from cannabis in our health jobs across the country, of course people are going to say can i have some thc with that as well so we are on a course and my judgment, im working on about 20 yea rs of judgment, im working on about 20 years of political experience, is that i suspect over the next ten yea rs, that i suspect over the next ten yea rs , we that i suspect over the next ten years, we will set up some sort of commission about how we do it. It may be different to the canadian model, and i certainly hope we deal with potency because im very worried about psychosis and young people but the important thing is, in britain today, its harder to get your hands on tobacco because we regulated it and young people can get cannabis. Can we do the same and protecting people and young minds from overuse of this drug . Ok, im afraid we have run out of time but thank you so much for all of your contributions and thank you very much for your contributions as well. Online com on twitter, its a very lively debate going on. Use the hashtag victoria live if you want to ta ke hashtag victoria live if you want to take part. Its been the biggest series to date, drawing audiences of up to 6 million viewers, but tonight love island 2019 is coming to an end. The couples have been whittled down to the final four and tonight well see which pairing is crowned the winner. But no matter who wins, all the contestants will have the potential to earn millions thanks to their huge social media followings. One of the favourites to win molly mae already has 3. 1 million followers. While they are in the villa, the contestants ask their friends and family to take over their instagram, twitter and Facebook Accounts and as were about to find out, its a huge responsibility that can even involve death threats. Before we talk to them, lets just take a quick look at one of the dramatic moments from last nights episode. Your votes have put three couples at risk. Which means two couples are definitely safe and through to the love island final. Hold on, hold on, hold on to me because im a little unsteady a little unsteady. Maura and curtis, india and ovie, and belle and anton you are all at risk of being dumped. With me are three people who have been managing social media accounts for their friends and loved ones while they have been in the villa. Hannah stakim is friend of love island contestant amy hart, Laura Harrison friend of chris taylor and Claudia Allen is the sister of contestant francesca allen. What a series thank you for coming in. What a job. What do you normally do . I work in an nhs doctor surgery, very different to what im used to. Its been fun. But also, you know, with the whole heartbreak situation, that was tough to watch for myself and Close Friends and family. Of course. In terms of managing these jobs, i bet it must be a full time job, managing the social media accounts. Absolutely, the minute you wa ke accounts. Absolutely, the minute you wake up in the morning, on my way to work, your lunch break, the way home, or evening, its like, its been crazy, absolutely mental. In terms of the response shes had, she seems to have received quite a lot of support for her decision and supported to leave the villa and leave him behind. What do you think that means for her commerciality, she seems to have been everywhere since she came out . As you say, weve not had somebody whos walked before. Theres been people that have walked to follow a coupling that have been dumped but where cheese walked out on her home, that hasnt happened before. On her own. Its been great for her to put herself out there but obviously, she did it because she was heartbroken and because mentally, it wouldnt have been right for her to stay in the villa. Absolutely. Laura, when you speak to people about your friend chris, everyone says hes smart, funny, and he comes across really well so i was really surprised to read hes had some really negative experiences online and youve been the one whos been the buffer between all of that. Yes, maybe not as much as amy did and certainly not to that level but we did have a few homophobic threats coming through and chris is very comfortable in his sexuality, as you can probably tell, he doesnt really ca re can probably tell, he doesnt really care too much but yeah, its quite sad and it was a demographic of individual sending, it was more interesting, the Younger Generation that looked like, between 13 and 15 years old, and it was more of a reactive, so they were looking for me to respond for them to then say, its because, now ive got a response from chris taylor, its not the positive way you want to be reinforcing that kind of behaviour, sad to see. Quite difficult because we know, thats not what he wanted. And also not why anyone goes into the house to get abused. Lets talk about your sister. I know you guys, you run a shop together stop we do. Youre quite savvy with social media stuff, shes become a bit of a star and a style icon as well has it helped sales . For sure. Shes had such positive feedback from young girls, wanting to dress the way she does, shes got quite a quirky dress sense and style so yes, it has. Shes enjoying every minute, she says i was like the dress agency in the villa, helping her tailoring, trousers, helping the girls with accessories. And stuff like that. Thats cool. I wonder for you guys, its a hugejob, huge responsibility to manage these things, did you have any advice at all before you started about how to promote your friends as business entities, what opportunities would be good for them to do, which ones you should ditch, any opportunity, any guidance . received a little bit of guidance because i have a couple of friends who deal with that specific area of work and i think maybe, the same for you guys, i had a discussion with chris before he went in to agree what he wanted on his social media but also what he didnt want to be endorsing stop he still not back it, hes back today but we will be sitting in going through those opportunities to understand what the next steps for him to take. What kind of money are we talking about, can you disclose that . Are we talking a load of money for them, any money for you guys . Thered better be some money for us its a massivejob. And better be some money for us its a massive job. And its better be some money for us its a massivejob. And its taken over your lives. Its a fulltime job, oliver, we are the world of social media. Everything is instagram, its like hi, how are you, how many followers have you got . Ive been in a full time job, getting up at 5am, responding, then its lunchtime, breaks. We are going to have to leave it there, thank you so much for your contributions and looking forward to the final. That is it for me today, abc newsroom coming up next. See you very soon. Bbc newsroom. Good morning. Blue skies for some of us this morning, this weather what you photo showing blue skies. Rain pushing its way northwards into central and southern parts of scotland, becoming increasingly showery in the west. It could be heavy and thundery, good spells of sunshine across england and wales, has a 26 celsius but you can see down towards the south west, showers and thunderstorms pushing on, that is associated with this area of low pressure, influencing the weather over the next few days, turning breezy as we move through tonight. Gusts of around 40 50 miles an hour across the silly ass. As we move into tomorrow, looking like a blustery day across the southern half of the uk. And gusty winds on the exposed coasts. The scilly isles. Over in the east, temperatures of 2a celsius. Youre watching bbc newsroom live its 11 and these are the main stories this morning the Prime Minister heads to scotland, vowing to promote and strengthen the union as the cabinet ramps up preparations for a no deal brexit. Part of that will be to make sure weve got the Committee Structures of cabinet in place so we can respond as effectively as possible in real time to all the issues, challenges, that will face. 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