Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240714

Footage of homophobic abuse at an east london pride march was circulated on social media. Shame on you. God created adam and eve. Not adam and steve. Shame on you. The steward who tried to move marchers away is talking to us in his first interview. And no spoilers here, but the winners of love island 2019 have been crowned your votes have put three couples at risk, which means two couples are definitely safe and through to the love island final. Some of their housemates chris, marvin and sharif will be here to look back at the series. Well ask them what comes next. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Would you welcome professional help to get your kids to sleep through the night . Well be hearing about the work of sheffield Childrens Hospital sleep clinic in a few minutes. Let us know what you think. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victoria live. If youre emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the Programme Please include your phone number in your message. If you text, youll be charged at the Standard Network rate. First, rebecca has the news. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning victoria and good morning to everybody at home. A former high courtjudge says police may have broken the law, in the way they investigated claims of a paedophile ring at westminster. Carl beech was jailed for 18 years last week, for perverting the course of justice, after lying about his claims. Sir richard henriques, who carried out a review of the Scotland Yard inquiry, claims that warrants to search the homes of some of those beech had accused of abuse may have been obtained unlawfully. Borisjohnson will make his first visit to wales as Prime Minister later, as he rallies support for his vision of farming in a post brexit britain. Hes expected to meet farmers and farm workers in south wales, before talks in cardiff with welsh first minister mark drakeford. It follows a warning from the Farmers Union of wales that therell be civil unrest in rural areas if the uk leaves the European Union without a deal. The pound has suffered further falls this morning, dropping another 0. 5 in early trading, the day after it sunk to its lowest level for more than two years as markets become increasingly worried over the possibility of the uk leaving the eu without a deal. £1 currently gets you around 1. 10 euro. That could mean good news for tourists coming to the uk, but not if youre heading abroad on holiday. Sterling is also down against the us dollar to around 1. 22. Attempts to close the achievement gap between disadvantaged pupils and other children in englands secondary schools is almost at a standstill, according to a new report. The Education Policy Institute found poorer pupils are, on average, 18 months behind the rest of the class by the age of 16. The government says nearly £2. 5 billion has been spent to support disadvantaged pupils this year. A leading Financial Services company, capital one, has disclosed that the personal details of over 100 Million People in north america have been hacked. The hacker stole information including credit scores, balances and Social Security numbers. A suspect has been charged with Computer Fraud in a court in seattle. Police investigating rape allegations against brazilian Football Player neymar say they have closed the case. He was accused of the attack on the woman in a paris hotel last month and was questioned by police in sao paulo for more than five hours. Hes always denied the allegations. The rapper asap rocky is on trial in stockholm today, accused of assaulting a 19 year old in the swedish capital last month. The case has sparked a major debate in the united states, with President Trump and celebrities including Kim Kardashian west and Justin Bieber calling for his release. A lawyer involved in the case says he has new evidence that will prove the rapper is innocent. Its been one of the most talked about tv shows of the summer and, last night, fans tuned in to watch the final of love island. If you dont want to know who won, then look away now. Love island was the most watched programme of the year among 16 to 34 year olds. Amber and greg were crowned this years winners. Amber is a Beauty Therapist and model from newcastle, while greg is a rugby player from limerick, in ireland. That is your news for now, i will hand you back to victoria. Thanks very much. Were in the midst of a hidden Public Health crisis when it comes to sleep. Those are the words of the woman who runs one of the countrys leading nhs child sleep services. Professor Heather Elphick helps to run sheffield Childrens Hospitals sleep clinic. This clinic, along with the local council, operates a pioneering scheme that helps 800 children a year get more sleep. But professor elphick told this programme that theres a Postcode Lottery when it comes to childrens sleep services, and that many more are needed across the country. The lead nurse at the clinic told us theyre bursting at the seams when it comes to demand from patients and that things are getting worse. This programme has spoken exclusively to two parents whose children have had treatment there. Its a fear. You absolutely dread evenings. They were literally waking up 20, 30, a0 times a night. Hed come to the side of my bed and just scream. There was absolutely no way i could pretend to work. I think were in the midst of a hidden Public Health crisis when it comes to sleep. Parents come to us and they feel like it is the parenting, but we change that. Weve got twin girls, jessica and jasmine, who are four. Theyre sensitive souls, but theyre very lively, very full on. Dont like sitting still. Like to keep busy. Typical toddlers. But theyre hard work. Theyre not the easiest. Well done. Its not been helped because theyve had quite a difficult start in life. Theyve suffered with chronic recurrent illnesses, food allergies, repeated hospital admissions. So, the first few years have been pretty tough. He is very, very energetic, so he can be quite boisterous. No, no, no. Let go. When he was born, he had really bad colic, so he was being sick at night. He was getting about three or four hours a night sometimes. Coming up to three months, where a lot of other babies around that age start to settle a bit more and things were just getting worse and worse and worse. They literally hardly ever slept. Id have one in bed with me and the other one would be withjulian in another bedroom. He was trying to settle one, i was trying to settle the other. They were literally waking up anything from ten, 20, 30, 40 times a night, and thats no exaggerating. 40 times a night was quite the norm. He would bang the door, so that i would try and wake up. And if that didnt work, hed come to the side of my bed and just scream. Youd literally wake up in the morning, or not wake up in the morning because youd still be awake, but youd literally get up and youd think, i dont even know what time is. I dont know what day it is. I dont know where i am. He would end up suffering with severe abdominal pain, where he wouldnt even be able to get up off the sofa. And the nights were just so long. So, so long. They were then having a lot of febrile convulsions and ending up in hospital. The temperature spikes and it happens so quickly that it sends the body into a seizure. It was heartbreaking to see as a parent and not be able to do anything about it. I was planning to return to work after 12 months. Unfortunately, there was absolutely no way i could pretend to work. My husband julian was having Trouble Holding down hisjob, just throuh exhaustion, sheer exhaustion. At one point, i think i even said to them, im not going to be any use for you today, i think im going to have to go home. Right, im just walking you through to the new orange outpatients area, and this is where our clinic rooms are. When they first come in, i explain that its an hours appointment and its a long, detailed history, going right back to the birth, any medical history, the environment they fall to sleep in, anything that impacts on sleep. Recently, we had a scaffolder falling asleep and going at great heights. We had parents not being able to sleep in the same beds. The effects on the marriage, home life, jobs. Oh, my goodness, every extreme so, she worked closely with us and the girls on devising a sleep programme, so we were able to teach the girls how to sleep. An hour before bed, wed start dimming the lights downstairs, tv, radio off, screens off. And wed do colouring, drawing, building games, anything that involves hand eye coordination. Wed then go upstairs for a bath and they were straight into the bedroom. And we stick to exactly the same routine, even to the point where its the same wording that we use when were saying good night to them every night, so its consistency. Weve talked through a bedtime routine for noah that suits noah. 0bviously, what suits for noah wont suit for another child. It was a very emotional time for myself. And my husband. Just knowing that somebody understood what you were saying and said theyd be able to help you. What is it . They were diagnosed with restless legs and theyre now on medication that helps with that. Its a medication, a sedation. But it doesnt send them to sleep, it doesnt keep them asleep, it just takes the edge off, so it stops them being quite as restless. And therefore, theyre not waking themselves up as often in the night. In the sleep study, it shows he suffers with parasomnias, which makes it so that with the transition of sleep, he will sleep walk. He sleep talks. Shouts, screams, cries, laughs. Its good for me now to know why he doesnt sleep. Its a Postcode Lottery when it comes to sleep services across the country. Provision is very patchy. We see 800 new children a year in the city. I feel that thatsjust the tip of the iceberg. Were in the midst of a hidden Public Health crisis when it comes to sleep. There are more children that cant sleep than we realise. I think its something that parents are not happy to talk about. Its embarrassing. They feel that theyre being judged and that people are judging their parenting skills if their child cant sleep, so they dont necessarily go and find help. Uh oh when things were really bad, he couldnt hold his focus on a single activity for longer than five minutes. Now hes starting to actually sleep in his own bed. His concentration is a lot better at school. Its been a struggle, but a struggle that weve done together. I dont even really like talking about the days prior to sleep. We still have challenges with their sleep now. Its not something that comes naturally to them, still. A year down the line, its still something they have to be shut down. We have to stick to the routine. But on a good night, we can walk out and then, 12 hours later, they will wake up. Jessica somervell is here, her son has been through the clinic. Doctor max davey is a clinician. Julian mcculloch is here. And we have the chief executive officer at the childrens Sweet Charity. Jessica, first, most parents will understand and completely sympathise with a lack of sleep and what that does to you and your family. Could you tell us you and your family. Could you tell us about you and your son, jude . Sure, jude is two years old. From the beginning, he was not a great sleeper. I was kind of use to it because i have a slightly older son he was two at the time equity was born so i got used to no sleep, but jude was exceptionally bad, he would only sleep an hour, two hours maximum at a full time stretch so throughout tonight, i was constantly up throughout tonight, i was constantly up which work the rest of the household up. My husband. So it was really, really tough. No sleep really, really tough. No sleep really affected me in so many different ways. Mentally, physically. Because when you have a young baby that doesnt sleep, it is not you just miss one or two nights sleep, you miss every single night of sleep and over time, that really does start to get really bad for everybody. How bad yet, jessica . It got to a point where i couldnt think of what else to do. I mean, i have looked in the internet a million times, social media, just really searching for the answers. I got to a point where i knew my health was suffering from a lack of sleep and i knew thatjude was suffering as well, so i had to go to my gp and say, look, i need help, i really need help with this. And they we re really need help with this. And they were brilliant and they referred me to the service, the sleep service, which i have been under now for a while. And things started to change from there really. 0k, and how useful has the service been . It wasnt an overnight cure, was it . Absolutely not, no. It was a progression really. The sleep service has changed my life completely. In terms that they were so completely. In terms that they were so supportive of myself and jude. I never felt so supportive of myself and jude. I neverfeltjudged because so supportive of myself and jude. I never feltjudged because that is one of the hardest things is a mum to say, look, i do need help with this, i cant do this. Something as simple as you think sleep is, it is a hard thing to admit to somebody, but the sleep service changed my life. They worked with me over months, but i saw changes within weeks. But they were hard to it wasnt easy to do. The biggest thing i think wasnt easy to do. The biggest thing ithinki wasnt easy to do. The biggest thing i think i was frightened of at first was that they were going to tell me that i needed to let him cry it out, 01 that i needed to let him cry it out, or he was going to be distressed in some way, but they didnt. At no point did they say, just leave him to cry. That kind of thing, which is one of the things i was most frightened of. But they didnt do that. No, that is so encouraging, isnt it . Max, how common are some of the problems jessica isnt it . Max, how common are some of the problemsjessica has been describing . I think they are extremely common and one problem is they are almost normalised and as a pa re nt they are almost normalised and as a parent of a young child, you are almost expected to like sleep and somebody like jessica, they feel this is normal. But the extremes of sleep deprivation she was experiencing are not normal and they do need intervention. One of jessicas consents were not really being taken seriously or been told advice she didnt really want to hear. Do you think Health Care Professionals a re hear. Do you think Health Care Professionals are taking this seriously . Because this is affecting a huge number of people. |j seriously . Because this is affecting a huge number of people. I think there is an issue of education and Health Care Professionals and we are trying to address it at the royal couege trying to address it at the Royal College of paediatrics and paediatricians will have to have sleep training coming up through the ranks. But there is a big gap there, we need to do more and educate Health Visitors. But also, even if a Health Visitors. But also, even if a Health Visitors. But also, even if a Health Visitor knows how to deal with sleep, the other pointjessica made is this is not an overnight fix. You need sustained engagement with a professional and that is really ha rd with a professional and that is really hard to achieve with current resources. Yes, really hard to achieve because this is happening nationally and at the moment, there is only the sheffield centre. How likely is it that even if people are able to define the problem, they can find any solution . It is very difficult, it is not you need complex intervention very often, you just need somebody to support you in this consistent way. You would think that was easy, but it really is not. We have managed it locally where i work in lambeth and southwark because we have set something up that sits between the basic community and Specialist Service at the Childrens Hospital. It is a good model but not enough local authorities and commissioners are putting that together. This does seem to be a problem. Vicky, how does the scheme you run work . Yes, we run the childrens Sweet Charity and we use a behavioural approach to sleep. We train the practitioners who deliver the service in sheffield. We are absolutely inundated with families from across the country who are at crisis point quite often because of sleep deprivation and we have such limited resources to be able to support these families. Do you agree therefore with professor elphick that we are looking at a Public Health crisis with sleep . Absolutely, some of the families who come to us have lost their homes, they have been unable to work, it is impacting on their physical well being, impacting on their physical well being, mental health. Impacting on their physical well being, mental health. And also, the well being well being, mental health. And also, the well being of well being, mental health. And also, the well being of the children. And it isa the well being of the children. And it is a detailed piece of work that needs to be carried out. So we do needs to be carried out. So we do need to be able to provide sleep practitioners who we train and then they need to be able to provide that ongoing support for families. Our Research Project has shown it is that ongoing support that really helps these families to make the changes. Yes, julie, it does appear that there are not enough services out there to cope with the demand. What else could parents be doing, where else could they turn for support for their families . Well, this is certainly something that concerns teachers and school leaders. We know there is a clear link between sleep deprivation and the behaviour of children, their ability to concentrate in class, their memory, creativity, they are depended on sleep and if children dont get enough sleep, behaviour plays out in the classroom. There are things schools can do to help with their young children, in nursery classes for example, they will often have an opportunity to sleep in the afternoon. With older children, schools can build in opportunities for physical exercise to help children stay alert. With teenagers, we know schools often do work with children about how they can develop good sleep habits themselves. But these are all sticking plasters really. If you have a child or young person who has not had enough sleep, but is only so much a school can do to help with that. We have people perhaps were toddlers listening to this programme, what advice would you give to them, what worked for you in terms of a night time routine . Give to them, what worked for you in terms of a nighttime routine . What worked for me the best was having a very strict night time routine. At least for the first few months, until the sleep patterns and behaviour got a little bit better. And it is hard because life gets in the way. Everybody has a life to lead and sometimes, it is not always possible to have such a strict routine. But i would say my biggest advice was just to try to do that because it does work. One of while the professionals are giving you advice about how sleep works in children, it really does make a difference if you can get the low lighting, the bath time rate. And just be as strict as you can, which i know is hard, but it does make such a massive difference. Jude now sleeps from roughly 7pm, hpm until about seven oclock in the morning, which has made a huge difference to jude, myself and my family hpm. Thank you for talking us through your experiences. Max, julie and vicky as well, thank you for your time. Thank you. We have had lots of m essa 9 es time. Thank you. We have had lots of messages on this topic, i am not surprised. This is from kirsty, you could be telling our story, my daughter is four next month and she woke every five to 20 minutes at night until around six months ago. Three and a half years of this. My husband had to give up hisjob to ca re husband had to give up hisjob to care for her last i went back to work. They have lost all their savings and they are in debt and they have gone to paediatrics who have told them it is basically bad parenting. They have sat through psychologist sessions for her and for them as parents to try to force them into leaving her to cry. They are at their wits end. My heart goes out to you, kirsty. Gail an e mail says, perhaps look at the australia successful programme for the under three year olds. It might be too harsh for some parents, but two to three weeks at a living facility, that is interesting, it might work. The concept is to aim to return to a successful work practice for pa rents return to a successful work practice for parents and to help productivity for parents and to help productivity for them as well is improve the lives of bees sleep deprived families as well. Ray says on twitter, get their kids off bet electronics, turn off the tv and develop a bedtime routine, it is not Rocket Science but something most pa rents a re Rocket Science but something most parents are not necessarily that good at doing. Suzanne on facebook says, what if they dont sleep and have severe eating restrictions as well . You are often told to feed your child and they go into a carbohydrate coma and they pass out. What if you cant do that . She says, my son is eight with autism and sleeps two hours and he is up again and it goes on all night. Sorry to hear that, suzanne. 0ne and it goes on all night. Sorry to hearthat, suzanne. One more, this is interesting from cathy, a head teacher and e mail. She says, i am head teacher at an infant school in trafford, we have definitely seen a rise in sweet problems in children over the last five years. In some cases, children have only been getting two, three hours sleep a night. A couple of years ago, the local Authority Commission sleep clinics to support and advise pa rents, clinics to support and advise parents, this service has literally changed peoples lives. Cathy, head teacher in trafford. Interesting to see there is some support, but it does appear to be pretty patchy. Lets move on, shall we . Talking about what goes on more generally in schools. Poorer pupils are, on average, 18 months behind the rest of their classmates by the age of 16, according to new research by the Education Policy Institute. At the current rate, the study says it will take 500 years to close the gap. The analysis indicates that there are particular problems in the north of england. In blackpool and rotherham. The gap in secondary School Achievement is the equivalent of more than two years. With me this morning isjo hutchinson. Jo is the director of social mobility at the Education Policy Institute. She is one of the authors of this report. And in our norwich studio is paul collin, headteacher of city academy in norwich. Good morning. Jo, jo, starting with your study and some of the findings. This suggests 500 years, it is absolutely staggering do you have any idea what is going on . Well, what we have seen what is going on . Well, what we have seen happen and what we are concerned about is over the last seven yea rs, concerned about is over the last seven years, the momentum in the closure of this disadvantage gap which traditionally over recent yea rs has closed which traditionally over recent years has closed a little each year, the momentum has drained out of that and this year, we finally hit a year where the gap started to widen. We are concerned this could be the beginning of a new trend where we are no longer improving. Why are we seeing this almost reversal . Well, many things are going on within the education system, but one thing that is quite difficult to get away from is quite difficult to get away from is that over a very similar time period, we have seen increasing financial pressures both within schools where we now have increasing proportions of secondary schools in particular in budget deficit, but also in wider Childrens Services provided by local authorities and in the Early Years Childcare Services as well. Is that the reason why it appears this gap seems to be much worse for secondary School Children thanit worse for secondary School Children than it does for primary school, it is this wider funding issue . |j than it does for primary school, it is this wider funding issue . I think theissue is this wider funding issue . I think the issue with secondary school is partly to do with the fact that actually, teenage is quite a sensitive period for Childrens Development socially and emotionally, but children also are more independent going outside of school and the home and under the supervision, which means they are exposed to the Wider Community more. In the context of austerity, that potentially exposes them further than younger children. We mentioned in the introduction that this appears to be more of a problem in the north of england, not all, but there does seem to be this issue, this focus more in the north of england. Do you have any idea why that might be . We have looked at this in the past and looked at what is behind the geographical differences where you get these clusters of areas with higher gaps. What we usually find is that in most cases, those can be explained by facets of the local context, the economic context and the mix of peoples within that area. So mostly, we think it is to do with the different challenges. There will be different challenges. There will be Different Levels of School Performance contributing to that, but it is mainly about the context. Ifi but it is mainly about the context. If i may bring q n, paul, you joined a school back in november, tell us about the school you found when you joined bring you in. About the school you found when you joined bring you in. The school joined bring you in. The school joined was a school that was highly disadvantaged, as you are just saying, jo, the demographic in the context of that environment for my school was really important. A group of children that had been disservice to other long period of time because of lots of things really, but very highly challenging demographic indeed. What do you put all of these issues down to, is a single thing or big mix. As joe said, it is many things, financing is an ongoing pressure but its the community that our young people grow up in. I think weve sort to develop opportunities, culturally, for our young people, thats the thing making the biggest difference. And, you know, that costs money in some difference. And, you know, that costs money in some cases difference. And, you know, that costs money in some cases but its a self belief that you bring into a young person, ithink, that can self belief that you bring into a young person, i think, that can have an ongoing effect as well. Im just trying to decipher this, cultural opportunities for pupils, what do you mean, what kind of progress have you mean, what kind of progress have you made . When we came to the school when i started the school, it was very apparent that the young people within the context of our school, didnt always have the same opportunities as other young people either in the surrounding areas or indeed, nationally. And weve sought to really develop a programme that allows young people to have opportunities, things like horse riding which they wouldnt necessarily get, where we look at relationships with partners in the community, going into a university as well, stepping foot into an area again that culturally they wouldnt normally be exposed to, thats had a knock on effect in terms of their self their aspiration as well. Not every school has the benefit of effectively a turnaround specialist like paul but what a lot of struggling schools have in common is this funding problem. The School Standards minister nick gibb says we are investing £2. 11 billion this year alone through the pupil premium to help the most disadvantaged children. What do you say, is it enough . I would say thats right, the money is being invested and its a similar level to what weve seen invested over recent years. But looking at the overall picture of all the funding going into schools and local authority services, what weve seen within schools is an 8 reduction over recent years and how much money schools actually have to spend and they are spending their spending power. Given the picture that we are seeing developing with disadvantaged children, it may not be enough. Ok, we have to leave it there. Thanks so much for coming in. Paul, thanks for your time. A former high courtjudge says police may have broken the law in the way they investigated false claims of a paedophile ring at westminster. Sir richard henriques, who led a review of the police operation, says that, when applying for warrants to search suspects homes, the police claimed carl beech was a consistent witness. But sir richard said, at the time, beech had not been consistent. Beech was jailed for 18 years last week, for lying about being tortured and abused. The Police Watchdog has cleared the officers of any misconduct over search warrants. 0ur correspondent Angus Crawford can tell us more. This is an ongoing story, take us back to the beginning. Cast your mind back to 2014, police under a significant amount of pressure, thered been a failure to investigate jimmy savile thered been a failure to investigatejimmy savile in the past, then there is a series of extraordinary allegations about a level effectively paedophile ring involving mps, members of the armed forces, a former Prime Minister, so the met police began investigating this in november 2014. Fairly quickly came out and made an extraordinary statement which was that they found the main complainant, nick, not his real name, we now know he was called carl beech, his information was credible and true. Fast forward to 2016, the entire investigation collapses completely, its bound to be com pletely completely, its bound to be completely groundless, there is no evidence with which to arrest every anybody. Fast forward last week, this man carl beech is sent to prison for 18 years for making up these stories. Why now, why is this important . At the time, there were real concerns in 2016 that maybe this investigation had gone really quite badly wrong. A high court judge, a former high courtjudge was brought in to have a look at it, root and branch, find out what had happened and he brought forward a report, only bits of it have been published so far, small parts of it have gone into the Public Domain but what we know already is its damning about what happened. He has written in the daily mail newspaper today, big article explaining why he is concerned and at the heart of it is a serious concern he has which takes us a serious concern he has which takes us back to the start of the investigation which was when arrest wa rra nts investigation which was when arrest warrants were applied for, to go and go into peoples homes, lord ramos home, lady britain some, harvey proctor, the former mps home, to carry out a search, was the correct information brought before the judge . There no implication or indication that the districtjudge from whom the search warrant was obtained was misled deliberately but as you said, what appears to have happened according to the judge, is that there were glaring inconsistencies within nicks story. Very briefly if we can come up to the police said in response to this . So for the met hasnt responded at all but we had the response to the trial last week of carl beech who was sent to prison for 18 years and they said they acted in good faith always, they did admit that they didnt get everything right, significantly the Police Watchdog who is looked into this has said that none of the officers involved in the inquiry deliberately misled the districtjudge. Its going to be ongoing, angus, thank you so much for coming in and taking us through that history. Thank you. Its been one of the most talked about tv shows of the summer, and last night fans tuned in to watch the final of love island. Look away now and turn down the volume if you dont want to know who won. Well be talking about it for the next few minutes too it was itwas. It was amber and it was amberand greg and, it was amber and greg, a couple whove been together on the show forjust two weeks, who were crowned the winning couple. Meanwhile the broadcast regulator 0fcom has revealed a new set of rules which could radically change programmes like love island. 0fcom says it has seen a steady rise in complaints expressing concern about the welfare of contestants and wants to introduce new rules to ensure that participants arent subjected to unjustified distress or anxiety. Well, millions watched last night, but we know theres also many of you who didnt, or who dont know much about the show. So our reporter Anna Collinson is here to fill us in. Firstly, what is the show about and what happened last night . Girls and boys spend a summer in majorca, in a villa, they couple up, some leave, the final last night, tommy and molly were the favourites, it was amberand tommy and molly were the favourites, it was amber and greg who one. Amber was an original, shes been on a journey and she was also the first co ntesta nt journey and she was also the first contestant of colour to win which for a show thats been criticised for a show thats been criticised for its lack of diversity has been seen as a for its lack of diversity has been seen as a really positive thing by some. Whats the reaction been to the series compared to others . Its been the most popular yet, millions tuning in every night and theres been a lot of drama. An example being jordan and anna, coupled up for most of the series, last week jordan asks anna out and two days later tries to crack on with another woman in the villa. This obviously really upsets anna and she confronts him, vance said this was one of many exa m ples of him, vance said this was one of many examples of toxic masculinity in the villa. Jordan has since apologised for his behaviour and says the villa can bea for his behaviour and says the villa can be a tense place when you are in there. The show has been praised for how anna reacted, she confronted him about his behaviour, she didnt have to do it on her own, she had her female friends accompanying her, in previous years female friends accompanying her, in revious ears its female friends accompanying her, in previous years its been about the boy romances but female friendships have been at the forefront this year and people love it. A focal point for the press, lots of people looking at this and wondering about duty of care and how itv have been handling that this year because there were massive controversies, there were massive controversies, the deaths of contestants, former co ntesta nts. The deaths of contestants, former contestants. Ahead of the series itv announced it would introduce a duty of care announced it would introduce a duty of ca re process announced it would introduce a duty of care process and is part of that every contestant when they leave the ballot will receive up to 80 therapy sessions, at least eight therapy sessions. And have noticed this year they were not showing any sex scenes, there were no lie detector tests which had been controversial previously, we can expect to see potentially more changes, there will be two series next year, one in the summer, one in the winter, i can see youre excited. 0fcom wants to introduce new rules to protect contributors welfare and if the rules come into place this will impact notjust rules come into place this will impact not just love ireland rules come into place this will impact notjust love ireland but all reality tv shows and documentaries. Really interesting. Do you reckon there will be an appetite for two of these a year, it seems excessive . Based on how successful its been this year, i think it has a few more series in it. I was going to say looking forward to this year, the good news for tommy and molly, they didnt win the £50,000, that doesnt matter for them didnt win the £50,000, that doesnt matterfor them in didnt win the £50,000, that doesnt matter for them in the grand scheme of things, its a job in the ocean compared to the brand deals, the sponsored instagram posts and nightclub appearances. In the early days of love ireland couple succeeded, they got married, had babies come in the last series couples lasted up to six months and that was it because theres so much pressure when you leave the villa and if theres concerns, there will bea similar and if theres concerns, there will be a similar situation for the class of 2019. Anna, comprehensive forest, thanks. Well, joining us now is chris taylor, who was eliminated during the final week of this years love island. And chriss brother, steve. Marvin brooks left the love island villa two weeks ago. Sherif lanre was asked to leave the love island villa afterjust nine days last month. Weve talked him on the programme before about what happened there. And Laura Anderson was a runner up on last years love island. Lol good morning to you all. Chris, lets start with you. We met your friend laura yesterday, she was excited about having you back. How are you feeling . Good, strange situation to walk into after being on tv for two weeks and being in that bubble. But yes, its been going good so far, ifound out yesterday someone has a photo of my face tattooed on their legs so thats a good start. How do you feel . I dont feel bad about it. Hats off to her, to be fair. During the show you were open about your feelings, help makes the experience can be, there is a lot of pressure on you. Also some feelings perhaps that you didnt fit in, you felt different from the others . Did you have any support at the time during the show . Yes, massive amounts, before, during, orafter, theyve done the welfare piece really well, the moment that happened there were some date next to me, like obviously, other contestants but also well for and stuff like that, they were taking it seriously. Saying what kind of thing . Asking if iam all saying what kind of thing . Asking if i am all right, if theres anything they can do, how im feeling, theyve nailed the support side of things. Thats interesting. Your behaviour, i dont know what the polite way of putting this is, your behaviour during your time at the villa compared to perhaps some of the other male contestants. You can call me a weirdo if you want. |j the other male contestants. You can call me a weirdo if you want. I was going to praise you, complimentary. A gentleman, actually, i would say during your time a gentleman, actually, i would say during yourtime in a gentleman, actually, i would say during your time in the villa. Thank you. I wonder what you made of the attitude, some of the men had, the others in the villa had towards women because its something thats been picked up certainly in the press here. Yeah. I cant say i was watching other people that much. 0r observing that kind of behaviour. Were you aware of it at the time. You said you did feel different. Yet, maybe not in that sense. I dont really know, to be honest. Yet, maybe not in that sense. I dont really know, to be honest. You we re dont really know, to be honest. You were just too nice. You are different ina were just too nice. You are different in a good way. I think if youre a nice person, you wouldnt do that so if you see the best in people you dont notice those things going on. Thats a good point. Steve, is he mr nice guy, whats he like at home, was that true, the curse that we got on camera was the same at home. Absolutely. It wasnt manipulated or faked . Its reality tv, its hard to figure 20 47. I think there was bids that didnt make tv that are properly funnier as well. Wouldnt you agree . Marvin, how was your time in the villa, you had a little bit more time to reflect, some of the things that you said to this programme. Do you feel any differently, six weeks on . About how i felt any differently, six weeks on . About howaelt any differently, six weeks on . About how i felt you mentioned at the time you felt the producers were guilty of unconscious bias towards you. And the producers came back and said they reviewed any claims of racism or anything like that. How do you feel . Ive not had any experience that has been a 1. And ive had open conversations with all the producers that i felt i was a Lottery Ticket winner, that was an experience of a lifetime. And it was handed to me over hundreds of thousands of people so anything i got from it, i see as a positive. To pick up on something chris talked about, the welfare thing, you had a bit more time obviously out of the villa. Itv and the producers were talking about welfare before you go m, talking about welfare before you go in, during the show and also after the show as well, saying you can have eight therapy sessions etc. Have you made use of any of that support . Ive already been set up with a therapist in my local area. Weve been put in contact and introduced and theyve been quite openin introduced and theyve been quite open in the fact that if i dont feel comfortable with that therapist, they will find someone else. Im not sure what it was like in previous years but that she was, for me, its been spot on. In previous years but that she was, for me, its been spot on. |j in previous years but that she was, for me, its been spot on. I still haveit for me, its been spot on. I still have it now, to be honest. You were on last year. Yet, all the producers, i have them all on mike whatsapp, the sykes are there on hand, i feel like i could whatsapp, the sykes are there on hand, ifeel like i could message whatsapp, the sykes are there on hand, i feel like i could message or e mail anyone at any time. They sent us e mail anyone at any time. They sent usa e mail anyone at any time. They sent us a big group e mail last year when you guys went in and said some things had changed, it may be a Different Numberor things had changed, it may be a Different Number or e mail but yes, i still feel looked after. You know what, im so busy looking at all you guys, what, im so busy looking at all you guys, i completely forgot to pack one, im so sorry. Lets talk about amber, she wasnt the favourite to win, and she was unbelievably popular. A tonne of social media followers. Lots of people on instagram. I followers. Lots of people on instagram. I completely forgot sherif. In terms of diversity, the issue going on around love ireland, we have a non white contestant winning. Excuse my voice, by the way, im in marbella. Good for you its good that someone of colour has one. But i think she deserved it more so one. But i think she deserved it more so than anything. So, yeah, im really happy for her. Lets talk about ma bayer, youre doing a bit of modelling, how is life after the show . Yes, its been crazy. And i came out there was lots of speculation about what had happened, but hadnt but yes, ive been keeping myself busy, management have been working like crazy to get radio shows, tv shows, im out in marbella outshooting some content, doing a really good campaign. Have you guys, ill really good campaign. Have you guys, ill direct it to you first, sherif, have you guys had any support as to what promotional activities, sponsorship, would be good for you and what kind of stuff to ignore because you are now brands, i guess, in your own right. So, yeah, ive had a bit of advice from former contestants, to stay true to yourself and dont just take everything and anything and yet, be aware that you are also creating your own brand as well as selling other brands. So in the long run you wa nt other brands. So in the long run you want to develop something that is consistent with your morals and the brand you want to create. |j consistent with your morals and the brand you want to create. I wonder, laura, you are listening to this, you are a year onto all of this process , you are a year onto all of this process, how do you find it and what can you advise these guys in terms of the next 12 months . can you advise these guys in terms of the next 12 months . I think theres a lot of negativity and we all like to, i know we all love the show but people dont really like influencers, show but people dont really like influence rs, even molly show but people dont really like influencers, even molly got a bit of a backlash but i think you just need to enjoy it. You know, we are so lucky, dont read any of the bad media press. Obviously, look after yourself, keep good people around you, i think everyone comes out of the woodwork, they want to be your friend, have your wits about you. Like sherif says, dont take everything, you want to have quality not quantity. Absolutely, i think thats really good advice. Best of luck to all of you, thank you so much for coming in, and sherif, thank you for taking a break from your very busy social life to join us your very busy social life to join us from our beer. From ma bayer. You may have seen these pictures circulating on social media at the weekend, showing a woman abusing lgbt pride marchers in walthamstow, east london on saturday. And last night, metropolitan police said that a 38 year old woman has been arrested under section 4a of the public order act. We can talk now to the steward you saw in the footage, who tried to steer marchers away from the incident. His name is Steve Proctor and this is his first interview about what happened. Steve, thanks very much forjoining us. We appreciate it. Talk us through what happened, on the clip going round social media you can hear whats going on, you can hear theres a lot of aggravation, where you expecting Something Like that . To be honest, we werent at all expecting anything like that. It was a lovely, lovely march, full of peace and love, celebrating diversity and equality. There had been one brief moment, a little earlier on, involving another person. Which was dealt with pretty much in exactly the same way, all the marchers just basically were silently rejected the hate that was being thrown at them. We had experienced a little bit with that same woman on the weight to the march because we were on the side of the street where her shop was. So we deliberately chose to walk on the other side of the road coming back in order to not be confrontational but she came out and started again which i was very surprised about. 0k. Just to be clear, you are nothing to do with pride, but you do sometimes a steward at other events. I cannot speak for pride, the committee that was organising the march on that day, i was a volunteer, a very strong, proud ally for the Lgbt Community and part, one of my things is trying to support people to exercise their democratic right to march, basically, and to express themselves. I think we have this clip again, we are going to try and play it again for our viewers around the uk at the moment. Shame on you. You are looking at that for the 100th time. Its you are looking at that for the 100th time. Its been picked up by the media, its gone everywhere, you we re the media, its gone everywhere, you were a volunteer at this thing. 0ut surprise for you at the time and has surprised have you been by the response that you received . First of all i didnt know i was being filmed, we were being filmed, my Natural Inclination was to try and put myself in a position where i could prevent any escalation of the situation. I know for certain date that the merger was simply approaching the person to try and engage with them with love and peace to try and have a dialogue, basically. I realised it probably wasnt the best time for that to happen and was able to persuade the marcher that it would probably be better to rejoin the march and for us better to rejoin the march and for us to move on. When i realised, i was subconsciously actually turning my back on head and rejecting it outright but i was very surprised at how quickly it was taken up and how many times its been retweeted and viewed, its about three or 4 million views now. Not always with the most positive comments. The fact you were physically putting yourself in the way, creating a blockade, physical barrier between these two people. People would have taken that in whichever way they want and its not necessarily been great, its not exactly been praised. The disappointing thing is how its been taken up and redistributed by it shall be say, known right wing bloggers, shall we say. And its been used to generate more height and whats really sad about the whole thing is that whilst we reject the heat that was there, i reject the heat that was there, i reject the hate that was there at the time, certainly also reject the hate that is being used to generate. Im against all head, basically, you know and its very distressing for me to be part of a situation that was resolved very peacefully, very lovingly. You can hear the marchers saying as they are moving away, we love you and we will never shame you to the woman who is shouting abuse at them. And i think that completely sums up the atmosphere and the intent of the march itself. So for me, its been very disappointing to see some people using it in a very negative way to try and create more height. As you say, hate is hate but do you think the situation may have been any different in terms of the pick up that this has had online and on social media, if the person shouting the abuse wasnt wearing a veil . Very interesting question and its something ive been asking myself and at the end of the day it doesnt matter who the person is, the person is expressing hate that has to be challenged and has to be investigated as the police are doing now. But at the same time saying that, there has to be the question asked about whether or not it would have the same circulation and impact if it wasnt for the fact that the woman was in a full. The interesting thing niqab. My question is if its going to be equality around investigating hate, we should be investigating hate, we should be investigating borisjohnson investigating hate, we should be investigating Boris Johnson for his views about the Lgbt Community and 93v views about the Lgbt Community and gay men in particular. That is another discussion. Steve, thanks so much, we appreciate your time and thank you for coming in. You did a greatjob. Well done. Now, one woman in australia has created a company where her staff can take as much annual leave as you want, choose how many hours they work and when they work them. Sounds like a dream . Dr Amantha Imber first introduced the unlimited holiday policy three years ago, and said her australian innovation Consultancy Firm is thriving as a result. But is it all too good to be true, and how does it work in reality . We can speak now to Amantha Imber and two of her employees, linda sands and georgia luttick, who are in their melbourne office. I hope you havent been coerced to stay any longer, thank you for staying on for us. Amantha, why did you decide to do this . Three years ago i reflected on the fa ct we three years ago i reflected on the fact we had innovation consultants that were working quite long hours and travelling a lot yet the hours we re and travelling a lot yet the hours were uncapped but leave was capped at four weeks and that felt fundamentally unfair and it was hard for people to maintain some kind of balance between their working lives and their non working lives so it seemed like a fairer thing to uncapped leave given that hours were uncapped. Does it work . Its worked brilliantly. 0ver uncapped. Does it work . Its worked brilliantly. Over the last three yea rs, brilliantly. Over the last three years, Employee Engagement is higher, staff tenure has doubled and people have far more energy when they come to work. You got happier people, staying for longer at the company but are they still doing the same amount of work, surely the temptation is to shirk . Yes, that actually hasnt happened, no one has abused the policy and the business is as profitable as it always has been. Lets bring in georgia and linda. Georgia, how much holiday do you reckon youve taken over the last year or so and what kind of hours do you choose to work . actually have no idea how many holidays are ta ken just actually have no idea how many holidays are taken just because actually have no idea how many holidays are takenjust because its no longer something we need to be conscious of or track. I know i like to take three or so weeks over the summer. To take three or so weeks over the summer. Aweek to take three or so weeks over the summer. A week or to take three or so weeks over the summer. A week or so over to take three or so weeks over the summer. A week or so over the winter, have a family holiday and during School Holidays i try and ta ke during School Holidays i try and take some days off to spend with the kids. But yeah, as far as how many i take, i dont even need to worry about that anymore. With regards to the hours i work, i tend to try and send the kids to school and make my way into work or work from home depending what im doing for that day. And one day a week i like to pick the kids up, take them to swimming lessons and i start work early to accommodate that. Linda, do you think you are more productive as a result of all of this, these changes . Absolutely. Im definitely more productive, it means i can really work within, when its best for me, when my Energy Levels are best and it means im more alert, im more focused, i know best and it means im more alert, im more focused, i know i make less silly mistakes that we can make when we are tired and i find i get more donein we are tired and i find i get more done in the hours that i am working. So its all about the quality of the time that im spending at work. Do you both, linda and georgia, are your friends jealous, you both, linda and georgia, are yourfriendsjealous, surely you both, linda and georgia, are your friends jealous, surely they are . Definitely. It seems like the perfect replace, definitely. Thank you all so much. Well done for setting of the scheme, im sure it will be very popular. Bbc newsroom is next. Thanks so much for your company today, have a lovely day. Good morning. Looking very lively out there at the moment. Big area of low pressure rolling into the south west of the uk. Bringing some pretty hefty showers in along with it and strong, gusty winds. Heres a picture from st leonards on sea just recently, the south coast reporting gusts into the mid 30s, we could see higher than that in the next few hours and through the next few days, more downpours to come courtesy of this low pressure pushing into the south west, slowly tracking north eastwards, finally out into the north sea by thursday but you can see from the satellite, that band in structure to the showers, some sunny intervals in between but some of the downpours will be ham dinners. We see showers pushing into Northern Ireland for the afternoon. Wind strength for the south coast, hail and thunder, surface water flooding and thunder, surface water flooding and additional hazards as we possibly get up to an inch of rain ina very possibly get up to an inch of rain in a very short space of time. We are in a very short space of time. 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