The disruption of Sporting Events or this kind of action, what kind of protest is ok for you . Looking forward to talking to you about that, do get in touch. Before anything else, lets get the latest news. Donald trump has described his latest Court Appearance as a very sad Day For America after pleading not guilty to trying to overturn the 2020 us election result. The former president denied four charges, and said the case was persecution of a political opponent. Five people who were arrested after an anti fossil fuels protest at the home of the Prime Minister have been released on bail pending further inquiries. Greenpeace activists climbed onto the roof of rishi sunak 5 North Yorkshire house and covered it in black fabric. The government has set out plans to expand the use of the private sector to tackle the nhs backlog in england. 13 new Community Diagnostic Centres are being set up eight of which will be run privately. Scientists have warned that the oceans have hit their hottest ever recorded temperature, as they soak up warmth from Climate Change. The average daily global Sea Surface Temperature has beaten the record set in 2016. Welcome. Great to have your company this morning. Chris warburton with you. The question were asking, are you. The question were asking, are you sick of these stunts . As i say, you sick of these stunts . As i say, you will probably have seen those pictures by now, the Prime Ministers constituency in North Yorkshire, the front page of a lot of the newspapers, it is being widely debated all over the place. Greenpeace, they knew, we knew that the Prime Minister and his family were going to be jetting the Prime Minister and his family were going to bejetting off the Prime Minister and his family were going to be jetting off to california, so they made the most of it. All sorts of questions now about the security around the Prime Ministers holmes, plural, he has more than one, of course, under uk deputy Prime Minister had his say and was asked about the incident during a visit to hartlepool yesterday. I during a visit to hartlepool yesterday during a visit to hartlepool esterda. ~ ,. ,. , yesterday. I think most people would sa , sto yesterday. I think most people would say. Step the yesterday. I think most people would say, stop the stupid yesterday. I think most people would say, stop the stupid stunts. Yesterday. I think most people would say, stop the stupid stunts. What say, stop the stupid stunts. What they want to see from the government is action. That is what you are seeing here today. The largest Offshore Wind Farm being built here, creating jobs. At the same time, in the coming decades, we are going to need oil and gas as part of the energy mix. Need oil and gas as part of the energy mix need oil and gas as part of the energy mix. Need oil and gas as part of the ener mix. ~. ,. , i. , energy mix. What do you think . Is Oliver Dowden energy mix. What do you think . Is Oliver Dowden speaking energy mix. What do you think . Is Oliver Dowden speaking for energy mix. What do you think . Is Oliver Dowden speaking for you, i energy mix. What do you think . Is i Oliver Dowden speaking for you, are you sick of this kind of thing or do you sick of this kind of thing or do you think it is entirely legitimate, based on what we are facing as a planet, when it comes to the climate situation. Lets get into it. We are going to speak to the former Deputy Superintendent at the Metropolitan Police in just a little superintendent at the Metropolitan Police injust a little bit. But lets talk to greenpeace. Good morning to you, Will Mccallum. What has this achieved . Has this achieved . Well, im on 5 live now talking has this achieved . Well, im on 5 live now talking about has this achieved . Well, im on 5 live now talking about the has this achieved . Well, im on 5 live now talking about the risk i has this achieved . Well, im on 5 live now talking about the risk ofj live now talking about the risk of Climate Change All Over The World. Eight front pages this morning talking, yes, obviously, but the protests, but also about why we were there. And its this government, despite the rhetoric of being a climate leader, talking about climate leader, talking about climate ambition, they announced 100 new oil and gas operations. fire climate ambition, they announced 100 new oil and gas operations. New oil and gas operations. Are they talkin new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about that new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about that or new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about that or the new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about that or the breach new oil and gas operations. Are they talking about that or the breach of. Talking about that or the breach of the Prime Ministers security, an invasion of his property, trespass, etc . That is what is being discussed. You can talk legitimately about a lot of those are the subjects anyway. If you look at the bbc news website this morning, we are talking about the oceans. That is the top story on the bbc news website this morning. Whether you are doing that kind of protest or not . � ,. , ,. , are doing that kind of protest or not . Absolutely, it is the top story because it is not . Absolutely, it is the top story because it is quite not . Absolutely, it is the top story because it is quite scary. Not . Absolutely, it is the top story because it is quite scary. I not . Absolutely, it is the top story because it is quite scary. I think i because it is quite scary. I think people are genuinely scared about the impact they are feeling from Climate Change. People are not to see any action they want from government. On monday, every Single Member of the cabinet came out extolling the virtue of north sea oil and gas. Extolling the virtue of north sea oiland gas. By extolling the virtue of north sea oil and gas. By friday, the same cabinet members, we heard that Oliver Dowden was visiting an Offshore Wind Farm, they are talking about renewables, that is because they misread the public mood on monday. They thought they had the public on their side and they didnt, because the public are worried, they are seeing that top story and seeing that what the garment is doing is not enough, and we are worried. As greenpeace, our role is to elevate that sense of public urgency and desire for action, and take it to the decision makers. ~. , action, and take it to the decision makers. ~. , i. Action, and take it to the decision makers. ~. ,. , makers. What about you reading the ublic makers. What about you reading the public mood . Makers. What about you reading the public mood . Are makers. What about you reading the public mood . Are you makers. What about you reading the public mood . Are you 100 makers. What about you reading the public mood . Are you 100 sure makers. What about you reading the | public mood . Are you 10096 Sure You Public Mood . Are you 100 sure you are getting the public mood right on this . People have already shown their disdain, this . People have already shown theirdisdain, i this . People have already shown their disdain, i suppose, this . People have already shown their disdain, isuppose, their support, dont get me wrong, for the titlejust support, dont get me wrong, for the title just just support, dont get me wrong, for the titlejustjust oil support, dont get me wrong, for the title Just Just Oil tactics. Support, dont get me wrong, for the Title Justjust oil tactics. We are talking about the Prime Minister, his home, we are talking about mps in recent years, we know about the tragedy is, the deaths of mps who people have disagreed with. Im not making a direct comparison with what happened there, that would be ridiculous. But what about people who might think that it is ok to have a private home as a legitimate target for grievances against politicians . Irate target for grievances against politicians . Target for grievances against oliticians . ~. , , politicians . We are very, very careful with politicians . We are very, very careful with action politicians . We are very, very careful with action like politicians . We are very, very careful with action like this. I politicians . We are very, very i careful with action like this. We walked up to his front door extremely calmly and knocked on it, just to triple check the news reports were not lying when they said he was in california. We have also taken action at a politicians houses as well, 2005 we were atjohn prescott� s house, 2014, david cameron. We are always extreme the careful and we would not have taken this action if he and his family were home, so that would not be acceptable. There is a dividing line. There is a picture of oily black drapes covering the Prime Ministers house in the week that he announced he wants 100 new oil and gas licenses. But announced he wants 100 new oil and gas licensee gas licenses. But it is not the h sical gas licenses. But it is not the physical harm gas licenses. But it is not the physical harm or gas licenses. But it is not the physical harm or threat, gas licenses. But it is not the physical harm or threat, but. Gas licenses. But it is not the i physical harm or threat, but you are talking about a family home here, his constituency home, i understand that as well, as we said, he has many homes. I dont know if you have ever been burgled before on the impact that can have on your children, when youre talking to them about that, and the feeling that they have about the threat to their security. There is an emotional impact on anybody� s lives when Something Like this happens to their home. Surely . Their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what it their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what it is their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what it is like i their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what it is like to i their home. Surely . Absolutely, i cant imagine what it is like to be| cant imagine what it is like to be the child of a Prime Minister living with a permanent security detail. They were away, i sincerely hope and i assume they are being very well taken care of at the moment. I hope they feel no threat. We are so calm, we are so measured in our actions, smiling and the pictures, we are there simply to send that message. It is still their house. Home there simply to send that message. It is still their house. It is still their house. Now was not the time to it is still their house. Now was not the time to be it is still their house. Now was not the time to be pushing it is still their house. Now was not the time to be pushing forward i it is still their house. Now was not l the time to be pushing forward with a fossil fuel future. Star; the time to be pushing forward with a fossil fuel future. A fossil fuel future. Stay with us. I want to bring a fossil fuel future. Stay with us. I want to bring in a fossil fuel future. Stay with us. I want to bring in the a fossil fuel future. Stay with us. I want to bring in the former i i want to bring in the former Detective Superintendent from the met. Hello, what was your Immediate Reaction when he started seeing the photos of what was happening in North Yorkshire . Its photos of what was happening in North Yorkshire . North yorkshire . Its really interesting North Yorkshire . Its really interesting to North Yorkshire . Its really interesting to hear North Yorkshire . Its really interesting to hear what i North Yorkshire . Its really| interesting to hear what Will Mccollum has to say, and there are a couple of points i absolutely agree with. One is that he is right, it is really scary, what is going on. Can you imagine that somebody� s private home has been accessed, whether it is outside come on top of the building, where children live, where those children are going to have to come back at some point and they are going to be petrified. Im speaking from a police perspective, when we deal with victims, he talked about burglary, this was not a burglary because you have to prove intent and gain access to the building, but having dealt with thousands of victims of crime, that have had their house broken into, or they have had people outside, it is irrelevant whether you are careful when you entered and had a big smile on yourface. Children in when you entered and had a big smile on your face. Children in that environment particularly will not be having a big smile on theirface, they will be petrified. That will have lasting effects on them. Privacy of their home, but nobody is hurt or injured, they have done their thing and gone again, and the children are old enough to understand what happened in that case, surely . Understand what happened in that case. Surely . Case, surely . Dont think theres an issue case, surely . Dont think theres any issue around case, surely . Dont think theres any issue around people case, surely . Dont think theres i any issue around people supporting what the reasons are for protesting and making your point, but the fact is they have gone a step too far. Yes, they may explain to their children, and it may be because the Prime Ministers children are already in an environment where the fact is, those children in that family, any family, go home to the privacy of their home, they close their front door, privacy of their home, they close theirfront door, even privacy of their home, they close their front door, even when they are not there, the majority of people that have their homes broken into or they find out that simply has been lurking around outside their premises, when they are away on holiday, they come back and they find that really difficult to deal with. And it has opened up another can of worms in terms of the security at the Prime Ministers house. I security at the Prime Ministers house. ,. , , security at the Prime Ministers house. ,. ,. , security at the Prime Ministers house. ,. ,. ,. , house. I want to come back to you on securi. House. I want to come back to you on security there house. I want to come back to you on security. There are house. I want to come back to you on security. There are broader security. There are broader questions about the practicalities of it all, i suppose. Well, just going back to that, i suppose the point, some people might say, all right, hes the Prime Minister, a fair target. Right, hes the Prime Minister, a fairtarget. How right, hes the Prime Minister, a fair target. How much was the issue of his children and the impact on him debated in the offices of greenpeace, debated among colleagues and activists . The greenpeace, debated among colleagues and activists . ,. , and activists . The only debate was, are the in and activists . The only debate was, are they in the and activists . The only debate was, are they in the house and activists . The only debate was, are they in the house or and activists . The only debate was, are they in the house or not . I and activists . The only debate was, are they in the house or not . We i are they in the house or not . We know are they in the house or not . We know that are they in the house or not . We know that we take every precaution to speak know that we take every precaution to speak with the police, inform people to speak with the police, inform people what we are doing and be very safe. People what we are doing and be very safe we people what we are doing and be very safe. We have two red lines, one was was it safe. We have two red lines, one was was it safe, safe. We have two red lines, one was was it safe, was the weather safe enough was it safe, was the weather safe enough to was it safe, was the weather safe enough to do it, and where people at home . Enough to do it, and where people at home . So enough to do it, and where people at home . So it enough to do it, and where people at home . So it was not burglary, as the police home . So it was not burglary, as the Police Officer home . So it was not burglary, as the Police Officerjust said, it was notched Police Officerjust said, it was notched off the children were not there. Notched off the children were not there. So, notched off the children were not there, so, we take every single precaution, and that is where all of our focus precaution, and that is where all of our focus days, making sure people are safe, our focus days, making sure people are safe, that people know what were are safe, that people know what were doing is we are doing it, that were doing is we are doing it, that we are were doing is we are doing it, that we are going through the steps as we doing we are going through the steps as we doing them. We are in constant dialogue doing them. We are in constant dialogue with Security Services and Police Dialogue with Security Services and police when we are taking actions like this, police when we are taking actions like this, making sure everybody stays like this, making sure everybody stays very like this, making sure everybody stays very calm. This isnt the first stays very calm. This isnt the first time stays very calm. This isnt the first time stays very calm. This isnt the first time. ,. ,. , first time. You mentioned other cases, first time. You mentioned other cases. Does first time. You mentioned other cases, does that first time. You mentioned other cases, does that mean first time. You mentioned other cases, does that mean that i first time. You mentioned other. Cases, does that mean that other first time. You mentioned other i cases, does that mean that other mps should be aware that people might do this to them, too . I should be aware that people might do this to them, too . This to them, too . 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I think ministers and i opposition . I think ministers and cabinet officials, opposition . I think ministers and cabinet officials, i opposition . I think ministers and cabinet officials, i dont opposition . I think ministers and cabinet officials, i dont know opposition . I think ministers and | cabinet officials, i dont know how their cabinet officials, i dont know how their house cabinet officials, i dont know how their house would look in oily black fabric their house would look in oily black fabric. ,. , ~ their house would look in oily black fabric. ,. ,. , fabric. They should think about their own security fabric. They should think about their own security and fabric. They should think about their own security and the i fabric. They should think about | their own security and the peace fabric. They should think about i their own security and the peace of mind of their children . Irate their own security and the peace of mind of their children . Mind of their children . We will never to mind of their children . We will never go to mind of their children . We will never go to the mind of their children . We will never go to the houses mind of their children . We will never go to the houses when l mind of their children . We will. Never go to the houses when their children never go to the houses when their children are never go to the houses when their children are there, and we take it extremely children are there, and we take it extremely seriously. On monday, the prime extremely seriously. On monday, the Prime Minister announced a series of licences Prime Minister announced a series of licences that are so incompatible with international consensus, he made with international consensus, he made a with international consensus, he made a mockery of our country on the International Made a mockery of our country on the international stage. We are holding him accountable to that. We international stage. We are holding him accountable to that. Him accountable to that. We are caettin a him accountable to that. We are getting a lot him accountable to that. We are getting a lot of him accountable to that. We are getting a lot of text him accountable to that. We are getting a lot of Text Messages. | getting a lot of Text Messages. Daisy, i donated to greenpeace for the last three decades, no more, you have not read my mood. Absolutely disgusted, not in my name, says daisy. We are reflecting both sides, as we always try to do. Your calls are vital to the programme. We are getting plenty of those. We have got Shabnam Chaudhri, former Detective Superintendent at the met with us, and we are hearing from Will Mccallum, the chief executive of greenpeace uk. Terry is in greenwich. Good morning. Hello, i think it is an greenwich. Good morning. Hello, i think it is an absolute greenwich. Good morning. Hello, i think it is an absolute disgrace. I think it is an absolute disgrace. The reason these people get away with this is when they go to court, they will get a slap on the wrist. They do it with impunity. If you were doing it in america, you will not get with a mile of bidens house in delaware, you would be shocked. You would be shot off the roof. To be somebody planting a bomb, timed for when they come back from holiday. I hope heads roll up the police, whoever is in charge of their security, do they not have 24 hour security around this private residence . 24hour security around this private residence . , ,. ,. , residence . Lets bring in Shabnam Chaudhri, she residence . Lets bring in Shabnam Chaudhri, she might residence . Lets bring in Shabnam Chaudhri, she might be residence . Lets bring in Shabnam Chaudhri, she might be able i residence . Lets bring in Shabnam Chaudhri, she might be able to i chaudhri, she might be able to answer some questions. 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If i felt strongly enough l about a subject, i would potentially go on a march. I havent done with issues in the past, but i think, i agree with that. I dont like it when i see protests outside downing street, or whitehall, for something thatis street, or whitehall, for something that is going on 12,000 miles away in another country. You get the expats that live in this country, they think it is ok to disrupt our life force something going on halfway round the world. Let me brina in halfway round the world. Let me bring in gerald halfway round the world. Let me bring in gerald in halfway round the world. Let me bring in gerald in bristol, halfway round the world. Let me. Bring in gerald in bristol, perhaps the two view could have a brief chat. Gerald, good morning. Goad chat. Gerald, good morning. Good mornina, chat. Gerald, good morning. Good morning, chris. Chat. Gerald, good morning. Good morning, chris. These chat. Gerald, good morning. Good morning, chris. These eager warriors, morning, chris. These eager warriors, disrupting my life and travel warriors, Disrupting My Life And Travel Is warriors, Disrupting My Life And Travel Is A warriors, Disrupting My Life And Travel Is A nuisance, but im 82 years travel is a nuisance, but im 82 years of travel is a nuisance, but im 82 years of age and i think in 30 years years of age and i think in 30 years time my grandchildren will look years time my grandchildren will took back years time my grandchildren will look back and wonder why we were not giving look back and wonder why we were not giving these look back and wonder why we were not giving these people medals as big a sauce giving these people medals as Big A Sauce Parr giving these people medals as big a sauce pan lids. The world is collapsing. And people like sunak and the collapsing. And people like sunak and the other leaders of developed economies are not gonna tell is the truth, economies are not gonna tell is the truth, that economies are not gonna tell is the truth, that you have to get poorer to deat truth, that you have to get poorer to deal with this problem, youre going to deal with this problem, youre going to to deal with this problem, youre going to have to limit air travel. I like air going to have to limit air travel. I like air travel. You have to limit the number like air travel. You have to limit the number of children you have got. Al the number of children you have got. Atjazeera the number of children you have got. Aljazeera last week, it was like a Horror Aljazeera last week, it was like a Horror Film Aljazeera last week, it was like a horror film in china, where the beijing horror film in china, where the Beijing River was taking cars down, with driver Beijing River was taking cars down, with driver still in them. The flooding with driver still in them. The flooding and impact of them, it is so quickly. Flooding and impact of them, it is so quickly, they couldnt even get out of so quickly, they couldnt even get out of their so quickly, they couldnt even get out of their cars. I dont agree out of their cars. Idont agree with out of their cars. I dont agree with these out of their cars. I dont agree with these people that are going to the prime with these people that are going to the Prime Ministers home, but they are getting the Prime Ministers home, but they are getting a message around the world are getting a message around the world that what he has agreed to do with these world that what he has agreed to do with these new oil licences, it is going with these new oil licences, it is going to with these new oil licences, it is going to affect the Climate Change. Weve going to affect the Climate Change. Weve also been talking about the fact that the oceans, the average Surface Temperature of the worlds oceans has surpassed the previous high, set in 2016, one of the big news stories this morning. Im news stories this morning. Im luc , news stories this morning. Im lucky. When news stories this morning. Im lucky. When i news stories this morning. In lucky, when i was a young man i was able to go to places like fiji, the bbc yesterday did a report on fiji. They are going to have to leave the whole island because of rising sea levels. The same thing in the maldives. When you look at these programmes, the beautiful beaches in the maldives, what you dont see, ive been to the maldives a number of times, and there are huge skyscrapers. These are countries being affected now. You skyscrapers. These are countries being affected now. Skyscrapers. These are countries being affected now. You have put it across very being affected now. You have put it across very well, being affected now. You have put it across very well, but being affected now. You have put it across very well, but he being affected now. You have put it across very well, but he did being affected now. You have put it across very well, but he did talk across very well, but he did talk about the tactics and perhaps not necessarily your cup of tea. They need to make a point, but maybe this is not the way to do it . I need to make a point, but maybe this is not the way to do it . Is not the way to do it . I think the are is not the way to do it . I think they are making is not the way to do it . I think they are making a is not the way to do it . I think they are making a good is not the way to do it . I think they are making a good point, is not the way to do it . I think they are making a good point, they went to the Prime Ministers house and draped it with these black rags and draped it with these black rags and whatever, they are telling the world that he has made an awful decision. All they wanted economic growth, and they are not going to tell the truth. Growth, and they are not going to tell the truth. I growth, and they are not going to tell the truth. I was tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening on tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening on the tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening on the other tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening on the other day l tell the truth. Terrae . I was listening on the other day asking why Rishi Listening on the other day asking why rishi sunak didnt use easyjet to get why rishi sunak didnt use easyjet to get to why rishi sunak didnt use easyjet to get to scotland. She also loosely has too to get to scotland. She also loosely has too much time on her programme, rachel, has too much time on her programme, rachel, to has too much time on her programme, rachel, to go has too much time on her programme, rachel, to go on to look at the flights rachel, to go on to look at the fliuhts. ,. ,. ,. Flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. Flights. Lets not have a go at rachel if flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. If i flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. Ifi didnt flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. Ifi didnt like flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i flights. Lets not have a go at rachel. Ifi didnt like her, ll rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i wouldnt rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i wouldnt be rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i wouldnt be listening. Rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i wouldnt be listening. But l rachel. Ifi didnt like her, i wouldnt be listening. But getting a helicopter to aberdeen. There wouldnt be listening. But getting a helicopter to aberdeen. Wouldnt be listening. But getting a helicopter to aberdeen. There is a lot of debate. Helicopter to aberdeen. There is a lot of debate, number helicopter to aberdeen. There is a lot of debate, number 10 helicopter to aberdeen. There is a lot of debate, number 10 has helicopter to aberdeen. There is a lot of debate, number 10 has said l helicopter to aberdeen. There is a l lot of debate, number 10 has said he is not the first Prime Minister to do this, hes a busy bloke and if he spent all of his time on the train, he wouldnt get much work done. Thank you very much indeed. A lot of emotion on the subject, as you would expect. Lets bring in ian in huddersfield. Vicki in shrewsbury, good morning, both. Thank you for getting in contact. You said good morning first, so lets hear from you. Sick of the stunts or all for it . ~ ,. , it . Well, the thing is, climate chance it . Well, the thing is, Climate Change is it . Well, the thing is, Climate Change is affecting it . Well, the thing is, Climate Change is affecting all it . Well, the thing is, Climate Change is affecting all of it . Well, the thing is, Climate Change is affecting all of us. | it . Well, the thing is, Climate L Change is affecting all of us. We got to get over that. What im getting really annoyed with, i am standing at the moment in my sitting room, and i am looking around of the stuff that i had and a lot of it i bought recently, the lot of it i had for a while. I look at my cd cases, Made In China, my telly, Made In China, i look at my phone, Made In China. And what i would really like to see as all of these people that are protesting, how much stuff have they got, brand new, that they have bought Made In China . Do they drive cars . ,. , � ,. , bought Made In China . Do they drive cars . ,. , � ~. , this bought Made In China . Do they drive cars . This is bought Made In China . Do they drive cars . This is where l cars . You dont know. This is where im cars . You dont know. This is where im getting cars . You dont know. This is where im getting frustrated, cars . You dont know. This is where im getting frustrated, because im getting frustrated, because china is the biggest polluting country in the world. I would probably say, you cant actually buy stuff not Made In China. Irate probably say, you cant actually buy stuff not Made In China. Probably say, you cant actually buy stuff not Made In China. We get the oint, stuff not Made In China. We get the point. Lets stuff not Made In China. We get the point. Lets bring stuff not Made In China. We get the point, lets bring in stuff not Made In China. We get the point, lets bring in will stuff not Made In China. We get the point, lets bring in Will Mccollum, | point, lets bring in Will Mccollum, chief executive of greenpeace uk. Just respond to that point, is it on you and your colleagues to live a completely sustainable existence to deflect those kind of questions from vicky . Deflect those kind of questions from vic . , � , deflect those kind of questions from vic . , � ,. ,. , vicky . No, its important that we act with integrity vicky . No, its important that we act with integrity and vicky . No, its important that we act with integrity and we vicky . No, its important that we act with integrity and we do vicky . No, its important that we | act with integrity and we do things where act with integrity and we do things where we act with integrity and we do things where we can, but we are a bunch of norrnat where we can, but we are a bunch of normal people, living normal lives as well, normal people, living normal lives as well, in normal people, living normal lives as well, in a normal people, living normal lives as well, in a very normal world, that as well, in a very normal world, that does as well, in a very normal world, that does not allow us to do that. We would that does not allow us to do that. We would not be able to be out there doing we would not be able to be out there doing what we would not be able to be out there doing what we are doing if we were living doing what we are doing if we were living in doing what we are doing if we were living in a doing what we are doing if we were living in a tent in a field. 0n the china living in a tent in a field. 0n the china point. Living in a tent in a field. 0n the china point, we campaigned so heavily china point, we campaigned so heavily inside china, and they are an enormously polluting country. I et an enormously polluting country. I get worried when people say the uk has no get worried when people say the uk has no role get worried when people say the uk has no role at all in emitting. Bp undercover has no role at all in emitting. Bp undercover shell too much of the largest undercover shell too much of the largest oil undercover shell too much of the Largest Oil Companies in the world and are Largest Oil Companies in the world and are based in the uk. We are an enormous and are based in the uk. We are an enormous financial help, some of the wells enormous financial help, some of the wells biggest banks, Funding Fossil Fuels all wells biggest banks, Funding Fossil Fuels All Over The World are based in the fuels All Over The World are based in the uk fuels All Over The World are based in the uk. Our media, the bbc is read in the uk. Our media, the bbc is read right in the uk. Our media, the bbc is read right across the world, we have enormous read right across the world, we have enormous International Media hopes, it does enormous International Media hopes, it does matter to be talking about climate it does matter to be talking about Climate Change in the uk. And it really Climate Change in the uk. And it really matters when our Prime Minister really matters when our Prime Minister is pinning its colours to Fossil Minister is pinning its colours to fossil fuel minister is pinning its colours to fossil fuel. We dont have time for that now fossil fuel. We dont have time for that now i fossil fuel. We dont have time for that now. I will absolutely accept your point that now. I will absolutely accept your point that china is really important and it is really important that every important and it is really important that every Environmental Organisation out there as campaigning hardest. But we have to be responsible at home. If you campaigning hardest. But we have to be responsible at home. Be responsible at home. If you were to compare be responsible at home. If you were to compare the be responsible at home. If you were to compare the uk be responsible at home. If you were to compare the uk emissions be responsible at home. If you were to compare the uk emissions to be responsible at home. If you were to compare the uk emissions to the| to compare the uk emissions to the chinese omissions, off the top of your head, what is the percentage . The uk is about 1 . Vicky, make your point and then allow well to answer. 50. Vicky, make your point and then allow well to answer. Vicky, make your point and then allow well to answer. So, my life is completely allow well to answer. So, my life is completely different allow well to answer. So, my life is completely different now allow well to answer. So, my life is completely different now because l allow well to answer. So, my life is| completely different now because of Climate Change. I get that, i understand it and i do everything i can to support that. I see other things going on in the world that completely negates my tiny little effort. Ifind that completely negates my tiny little effort. I find that really, completely negates my tiny little effort. Ifind that really, really frustrating. Because you see pictures all the time of the smog in india and then you know all of the pollution that is coming out of china, and nothing is done about it. And nothing is done about the fact that, as a consumer culture, we are encouraged to come every time you turn on the tv there is an advert saying by this, Made In China, but by that. And with the way that we are as a society, everybody has to go and buy it. Why dont we change our lives, drive these awful electric cars, just because we cant deal with our consumerism . Why are you not dealing with that, Greenpeace Question of you not dealing with that, Greenpeace Question 0 you not dealing with that, greeneace cuestion o�. , Greenpeace Question of well, we are. I sent Greenpeace Question of well, we are. I spent years Greenpeace Question of well, we are. I spent years as Greenpeace Question of well, we are. I spent years as a Greenpeace Question of well, we are. I spent years as a plastics i spent years as a plastics campaigner, i wrote a book on how to ive campaigner, i wrote a book on how to give up campaigner, i wrote a book on how to give up plastic on exactly this issue give up plastic on exactly this issue im give up plastic on exactly this issue. Im so frustrated with you, the fact issue. Im so frustrated with you, the fact is issue. Im so frustrated with you, the fact is basically to say it is almost the fact is basically to say it is almost impossible to give up plastic because almost impossible to give up plastic because it almost impossible to give up plastic because it is shoved in our faces by supermarkets. So what we desperately need our supermarkets. So what we desperately need our politicians with ambition who are need our politicians with ambition who are taking it seriously. Like you said. Who are taking it seriously. Like you said, Climate Change affects all of us, you said, Climate Change affects all of us, right you said, Climate Change affects all of us, right here, right now. I had a conversation with the chair of the climate a conversation with the chair of the Climate Change committee a couple of weeks Climate Change committee a couple of weeks ago Climate Change committee a couple of weeks ago and he was telling me that new businesses are struggling to get connected new businesses are struggling to get connected to the water mains. That is partly connected to the water mains. That is partly a connected to the water mains. That is partly a Climate Change problem. This is is partly a Climate Change problem. This is a is partly a Climate Change problem. This is a problem that is affecting is right this is a problem that is affecting is right here. It is why it is so depressing is right here. 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I think Shabnam Chaudhri will stay with us for a bit, the former Chief Superintendent at the Metropolitan Police, and Will Mccallum, chief executive of npc uk. Just a couple of your Text Messages before we get to the news headlines. Of greenpeace uk. Temperatures around the world and oceans, a new debate on protests at the pm house. Previous ones disrupted the public transport network, so peacefully protesting at the pms house is fine with me. We need to take action now if we want to leave a future world for future generations. That is the point Will Mccallum is making. And he is right, that we are talking about the protests, but we are talking about the issues around it as well. A lot of stuff about Record Temperatures coming up. Another listener saying i used to support greenpeace, not any more. Extremism is bullying, intimidation and psychological damage is not acceptable, they say, particularly when it is because somebody has a Point Of View different to yours. No, greenpeace, time to fold up your tent and disappearfrom peoples lives. It is nine 31 five people have been released on bail. Greenpeace activists claimed on the roof of rishi sunak� s house. Scientists have warned that the oceans have reached their highest temperatures. The average daily Sea Surface Temperature has been the record set in 2016. Donald trump has described his latest criminal charges as the persecution of a political opponent. Mr trump remains the front runnerfor the political opponent. Mr trump remains the front runner for the republican president ial nomination for the election next year. Rules are to be relaxed to make it easier for local nhs leaders to send patients to the private sector. Now it is time for your sport. Private sector. Now it is time for your sport private sector. Now it is time for our sort. ,. ,. , your sport. Fresh questions of the future of the your sport. Fresh questions of the future of the commonwealth your sport. Fresh questions of the l future of the Commonwealth Games after the canadian province of alberta indicated it will not be bidding for the 20 wilted ball brought home one of two gold medals on day one of the cycling World Championships in glasgow. Sophie unwin and her pilot when theyd be one kilometre time trial. They dont like Newcastle United have signed a new player for £40 million and sanchezis new player for £40 million and sanchez is moving from brighton to chelsea for 25 million and the Basketball Player has made history in becoming the first woman to score 10,000 career points. The 41 year old reached the milestone is a Phoenix Mercury side beat atlanta dream. Thank you for being with us. It is great to have your company, hanna it is 9 34am. Such an interesting debate but i will tell you what we are doing after ten oclock this morning. Nhs weights. It is privately qr. Morning. Nhs weights. It is privately or. 7. 5 Million People mike Million People waiting for treatment. More than one in eight of the population when you break it down and the highest number since records began in 2007. The government is saying it wants to expand the use of private sector providers to unlock spare capacity, get more people the treatment and operations need more quickly. Nothing new. The Labour Government started using private sector providers and they said the government should have been doing this some time ago. It is a big expansion, is that a problem . What is your experience of the backlog . How long have you had to wait . The broader political issue about your personal issue, we want to get into that. Do you work in the nhs, do you see this as the best solution to what we are facing . Would you object to getting it done privately . If it was done by a private contractor through the nhs, do you care if it means you get treated and you do not have that letter after letter after letter for your appointments, you are off the books. 0r letter for your appointments, you are off the books. Or do you see this as the thin end of the wedge, this as the thin end of the wedge, this literally slow of the universal Access Health service we all know and love. Let us know, nhs weights, is privately qr . Is private they cure . I should say of course there that is going to be for the privilege of our listeners with as on five live after ten oclock stop our viewers on bbc news and bbc two will leave us before ten. Join us on five live for that debate if you want to do so. Lets get back to what we have been talking about for the last half hour, their protest at the Prime Ministers constituency yesterday. That black fabric being unfurled over their Prime Ministers property. Everyone knew it was the case that the Prime Minister was not at home. Do you support the idea . Question the attack ticks . Lots of debates. Prime ministers security has been a big thing over the years and the deputy Prime Minister, we heard him saying that what most people would say is can you stop the stupid stance . Where do you sit on that . Do you support or wholly against it when you see some of the other tactics used . We are still worth Will Mccallum and the former Deputy Superintendent at the Metropolitan Police. We have appreciated their involvement in this and will stay with as for a while yet. Some of our listeners and viewers who have been getting in touch. Purdy. Natalie in epsom and hello to all of you. Thank you for getting in touch. Purdy, what do you want to say. If you want to speak to shabnam lets do that . I am want to say. If you want to speak to shabnam lets do that . Shabnam lets do that . I am calling toda to shabnam lets do that . I am calling today to see shabnam lets do that . I am calling today to see why shabnam lets do that . I am calling today to see why are shabnam lets do that . I am calling today to see why are we shabnam lets do that . I am calling| today to see why are we scrutinising the actions of the protesters rather than scrutinising what the government is doing to try and meet Climate Change targets to help. At the moment rishi sunak is on holiday but when he talks about North Yorkshire and how he has sympathy for those on the ground, we know he is flying around in a helicopter. I live in buckinghamshire which the tories recently lost for the first time in history. A lot of people here hear about green issues. There are helicopters over my house all the time. I dont know why your caller earlier listening she was making little changes but we cannot make policy. Rishi sunak and scott parra do that. His familys wealth comes from fossil fuels. He does not seem interested, he does not care. Peter . Good morning. Purdy is quite right, peter . Good morning. Purdy is quite right, people do care about green issues right, people do care about green issues but right, people do care about green issues but i dont personally agree with these issues but i dont personally agree with these direct actions, but that is irrelevant. My point is, is groups is irrelevant. My point is, is groups like them if they want to have groups like them if they want to have a groups like them if they want to have a voice, why dont they stand for election have a voice, why dont they stand for election and give People Like Us a chance for election and give People Like Us a chance to for election and give People Like Us a chance to vote for them . Because that way a chance to vote for them . Because that way we a chance to vote for them . Because that way we will be able to gauge their popularity and see if they can be effective. You their popularity and see if they can be effective their popularity and see if they can be effective. You do hear this dont ou from be effective. You do hear this dont you from time be effective. You do hear this dont you from time to be effective. You do hear this dont you from time to time . Be effective. You do hear this dont you from time to time . If be effective. You do hear this dont you from time to time . If you be effective. You do hear this dont you from time to time . If you want to see if the public supports you, pick yourself up to get elected. Yeah, thanks for the vote of confidence. There is always going to be a role for Civil Society in protest no matter who is elected, so i am very happy here staying here in greenpeace. I dont know how to be an mp, that is not my skill set. I am here to point out to the government the ways they need to start moving as fast off of fossil fuels. Going back to what the callers earlier said, what frustrates us about the situation, we are constantly being told to by staff and told where consumerism is shoved down our throat. What i find frustrating is Renewable Energy, the solutions to get out of this crisis are the Cheapest Things out there and the safest things and the greenest things and it is so frustrating that we are living in a world we dont have politicians who see that. My role is to point this out to politicians and fight them into the direction of solutions and say we need to start moving fast. Because ordinary peoples and by Climate Change and unfortunately thatis Climate Change and unfortunately that is only going to get worse. I that is only going to get worse. I want to bring shabnam n. What do you think when you hear that part of the combination conversation . It is combination conversation . It is imortant combination conversation . It is important that combination conversation . 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We already have to think about the lives that have been lost, look about the lives that have been lost, took what about the lives that have been lost, look what happened to jo cox about the lives that have been lost, look what happened tojo cox in her own constituency where somebody quietly own constituency where somebody quietly came up to her and did what they did~ quietly came up to her and did what they did. This has huge lasting impact, they did. This has huge lasting impact, you have also got to look at the measures already in play. And now do the measures already in play. And now do Security Services, do the policing now do Security Services, do the policing have to add to the security of the policing have to add to the security of the pms property as well as other of the pms property as well as other members of parliament . | of the pms property as well as other members of parliament . I think we will have other members of parliament . I think we will have our other members of parliament . I think we will have our think other members of parliament . I think we will have our think about other members of parliament . I think we will have our think about that. We will have our think about that. Is that purdy . Mentioning jo cox in connection with this, we often talk about hostility towards politicians, of course all hostility is the same. That was someone from the far right, that was someone who is angry about refugees are not about the climate. This action is not violent, is it . This action is not violent, is it . This is not the french revolution, this is peaceful protest. No one is trying to. This is peaceful protest. No one is trying to this is peaceful protest. No one is i trying to. Remained trying to. Can i come in . Remained our listeners trying to. Can i come in . Remained our listeners you trying to. Can i come in . Remained our listeners you are trying to. Can i come in . 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He and his family will feel vulnerable. We know things need to be done to be protecting planet, but not this way. I know greenpeace have been active for longer than i have been alive, but has your hand print turned a little too up the ante in terms of the tactics that you are choosing to deploy because we have seen from Extinction Rebellion and nowjust stop oil . Extinction rebellion and now ust sto oil . ~. , stop oil . Like i said earlier, we have taken stop oil . Like i said earlier, we have taken a stop oil . Like i said earlier, we have taken a similar stop oil . Like i said earlier, we have taken a similar action stop oil . Like i said earlier, we have taken a similar action to l stop oil . Like i said earlier, we i have taken a similar action to less than 2005 and 2014. Tactics like this have been around a long time. As to forcing a hand, i dont like seeing it because it is not a cheerful message but what is forcing a hand is the real world out there. It is telling as the climate is changing, there are heatwaves right now in south america during the winter, they are facing temperatures of nearly 40 degrees. That is what is driving as just now. We are trying to get politicians to understand they cannot leave this until next week and yet on monday we had our Prime Minister announced that he wanted to see 100 new oil and gas licenses in the uk. That is what propels us to take this current level of action. I am aware that these stories, they can get under peoples skin. We had one listener saying it is scary. I want to say there is a lot of hope and solutions out there. Our message is not to point out all the problems, it is about talking about, these renewables are cheaper, home insulation, who does not want cheaper bills this winter . The green stop is the cheap stuff and what will save us. We need to get a group of politicians in power who will be prepared to stick their claim. Infill prepared to stick their claim. Will mccallum, prepared to stick their claim. Will medium the prepared to stick their claim. Will mccallum, the chief executive of greenpeace in the uk. We bring in keith. And josh who is in hastings. Good morning to both. Good morning. Josh, you have been waiting. What do you want to say . I do josh, you have been waiting. What do you want to say . You want to say . I do agree with everyone. You want to say . I do agree with everyone. We you want to say . I do agree with everyone, we are you want to say . I do agree with everyone, we are in you want to say . I do agree with everyone, we are in a you want to say . I do agree with everyone, we are in a difficult i everyone, we are in a difficult situation everyone, we are in a difficult situation. It is challenging for government, challenging for us at home government, challenging for us at home with government, challenging for us at home with the cost of living and stance home with the cost of living and stance like this to get publicity so i understand that. But we need to be understanding of the financial situation and the shortage of gas and Oil Situation and the shortage of gas and Oil Situation and we need to be able to and Oil Situation and we need to be able to transition to net zero. It is not able to transition to net zero. It is not something that will happen overnight is not something that will happen overnight and i think oil and gas as part of overnight and i think oil and gas as part of that overnight and i think oil and gas as part of that transition and i think it needs part of that transition and i think it needs to part of that transition and i think it needs to be home grown and where we are it needs to be home grown and where we are is it needs to be home grown and where we are is better than having to rely on countries we are is better than having to rely on countries which is sure does very recently on countries which is sure does very recently that on countries which is sure does very recently that that is not a good thing recently that that is not a good thing and recently that that is not a good thing and can bring hikes in prices. Lets thing and can bring hikes in prices. Lets bring thing and can bring hikes in prices. Lets bring in thing and can bring hikes in prices. Lets bring in will. That is often brought up. We dont lock v in a position where we suddenly find yourself on a cliff edge and importing energy which is at a higher carbon cost as well. fine importing energy which is at a higher carbon cost as well. One of the thins higher carbon cost as well. One of the things i higher carbon cost as well. One of the things i have higher carbon cost as well. One of the things i have found higher carbon cost as well. One of the things i have found annoying i the things i have found annoying this week is seeing our Energy Minister saying that any oil and gas. It is not energy that will be useful to the people in britain. It is anything that can be got quickly like wind power like solar power and anything that contributes directly to your energy needs there are contributes jazz by using less of it like insulation. We need to see the Energy Minister and the housing minister come together to put together really ambition plans on how they will keep homes warm this winter. We know any analysis from Energy Policy will tell you the green staff is cheaper and safer and it can be done quickly which is what we need right now. Josh it can be done quickly which is what we need right now. We need right now. Josh would you like to respond . We need right now. Josh would you like to respond . I we need right now. Josh would you like to respond . I agree we need right now. Josh would you like to respond . I agree that we need right now. Josh would you like to respond . I agree that we i like to respond . I agree that we need like to respond . I agree that we need to like to respond . I agree that we need to move into green and renewables but we do need that transition. We have seen recently that the transition. We have seen recently that the oil transition. We have seen recently that the oil and gas and the issues were that the oil and gas and the issues were seeh that the oil and gas and the issues were seen with the hakin prices, that is were seen with the hakin prices, that is immediate and worrying for everyone that is immediate and worrying for everyone that is immediate and worrying for everyone. There increase in prices everyone. There increase in prices this everyone. There increase in prices. This should have done ten or 15 years prices. This should have done ten or 15 years age prices. This should have done ten or 15 years ago. And they probably left at this 15 years ago. And they probably left at this late and this is the last ditch at this late and this is the last ditch attempt to get back in power because ditch attempt to get back in power because they know theyre on their way out because they know theyre on their way out it because they know theyre on their way out. It is a difficult situation. I do agree, and it to be honest. Situation. I do agree, and it to be honest. I situation. I do agree, and it to be honest, i come from a science background and i believe all the things background and i believe all the things that are going on, everyone can seek things that are going on, everyone can seek things that are going on with forest fires and things, but in this situation we need to be secure in our this situation we need to be secure in our transition and we cannot go into this in our transition and we cannot go into this and in our transition and we cannot go into this and green energy and not have back up. It isjust something that is have back up. It isjust something that is really important that we are secure that is really important that we are secure within our own country, reatty~ secure within our own country, really i secure within our own country, reall. ,. ,. , really. I want to bring in keith who has a comment really. I want to bring in keith who has a comment about really. I want to bring in keith who has a comment about security really. I want to bring in keith who has a comment about security and | has a comment about security and it has a comment about security and it has already been mentioned that the Prime Minister has a number of homes, whether they are personal ones or official ones. Questions around the security, even though no one was then. Keith, what do you want to say about that side of things . I want to say about that side of thin. S . , want to say about that side of thins . ,. , things . I agree with what they are doinu with things . I agree with what they are doing with the things . I agree with what they are doing with the house, things . I agree with what they are doing with the house, but things . I agree with what they are doing with the house, but my things . I agree with what they are | doing with the house, but my point is the doing with the house, but my point is the police doing with the house, but my point is the Police Officer doing with the house, but my point is the Police Officer mentioned is the Police Officer mentioned about is the Police Officer mentioned about how is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad it is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad it is is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad it is for is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad it is for his is the Police Officer mentioned about how bad it is for his children to have about how bad it is for his children to have come about how bad it is for his children to have come home about how bad it is for his children to have come home to about how bad it is for his children to have come home to see about how bad it is for his children to have come home to see the about how bad it is for his children. To have come home to see the house like that to have come home to see the house like that it to have come home to see the house like that it is to have come home to see the house like that. It is to to have come home to see the house like that. It is to her to have come home to see the house like that. It is to her basically, like that. It is to her basically, this~ like that. It is to her basically, this what like that. It is to her basically, this. What about like that. It is to her basically, this. What about the like that. It is to her basically, this. What about the people. Like that. It is to her basically,. This. What about the people who like that. It is to her basically, this. What about the people who get burgled this. What about the people who get burgled because this. What about the people who get burgled because of this. What about the people who get burgled because of the this. What about the people who get burgled because of the tory this. What about the people who get burgled because of the tory policies| burgled because of the tory policies we have burgled because of the tory policies we have had burgled because of the tory policies we have had for burgled because of the tory policies we have had for the burgled because of the tory policies we have had for the last burgled because of the tory policies we have had for the last 13 burgled because of the tory policies we have had for the last 13 years, i we have had for the last 13 years, policies we have had for the last 13 years, policies were we have had for the last 13 years, policies were so we have had for the last 13 years, policies were so bad we have had for the last 13 years, policies were so bad that we have had for the last 13 years, policies were so bad that people. We have had for the last 13 years, i policies were so bad that people had to move policies were so bad that people had to move homes policies were so bad that people had to move homes and policies were so bad that people had to move homes and what policies were so bad that people had to move homes and what about policies were so bad that people had to move homes and what about the| to move homes and what about the poor people to move homes and what about the poor people then to move homes and what about the poor people then come to move homes and what about the poor people then come home to move homes and what about the poor people then come home withi poor people then come home with their children poor people then come home with their children and poor people then come home with their children and find poor people then come home with their children and find their poor people then come home with their children and find their house | their children and find their house has been their children and find their house has been burgled, their children and find their house has been burgled, all their children and find their house has been burgled, all their their children and find their house has been burgled, all their kids. Has been burgled, all their kids toys have has been burgled, all their kids toys have been has been burgled, all their kids toys have been stolen has been burgled, all their kids toys have been stolen and has been burgled, all their kids toys have been stolen and theyi has been burgled, all their kids toys have been stolen and they have toys have been stolen and they have to clean toys have been stolen and they have to clean up toys have been stolen and they have to clean up all toys have been stolen and they have to clean up all their toys have been stolen and they have to clean up all their own toys have been stolen and they have to clean up all their own mess toys have been stolen and they have to clean up all their own mess and l to clean up all their own mess and all they to clean up all their own mess and all they get to clean up all their own mess and all they get is to clean up all their own mess and all they get is a to clean up all their own mess and all they get is a number to clean up all their own mess and all they get is a number from to clean up all their own mess and all they get is a number from the. All they get is a number from the police all they get is a number from the police. They all they get is a number from the police. They dont all they get is a number from the police. They dont even all they get is a number from the police. They dont even come all they get is a number from the| police. They dont even come out, they give police. They dont even come out, they give them police. They dont even come out, they give them a police. They dont even come out, they give them a number police. They dont even come out, they give them a number saying, i police. They dont even come out, i they give them a number saying, this is your they give them a number saying, this is your case they give them a number saying, this is your case to they give them a number saying, this is your case to give they give them a number saying, this is your case to give to they give them a number saying, this is your case to give to the is your case to give to the insurance is your case to give to the insurance company. Is your case to give to the insurance company. Thati is your case to give to the insurance company. That Police Officer insurance company. That Police Officer made insurance company. That Police Officer made it insurance company. That Police Officer made it out insurance company. That Police Officer made it out to insurance company. That Police Officer made it out to have insurance company. That police| officer made it out to have been something officer made it out to have been something tragic officer made it out to have been something tragic for officer made it out to have been something tragic for the officer made it out to have been. Something tragic for the children. Well, something tragic for the children. Well, it something tragic for the children. Well, it is something tragic for the children. Well, it is not something tragic for the children. Well, it is not tragic something tragic for the children. Well, it is not tragic for something tragic for the children. Well, it is not tragic for the well, it is not tragic for the children well, it is not tragic for the children. What well, it is not tragic for the children. What they well, it is not tragic for the children. What they are well, it is not tragic for the. Children. What they are doing well, it is not tragic for the children. What they are doing is a protest children. What they are doing is a protest because children. What they are doing is a protest because they children. What they are doing is a protest because they are children. What they are doing is a protest because they are not protest because they are not listening protest because they are not listening stop protest because they are not listening stop if protest because they are not listening stop if he protest because they are not listening stop if he himself. Protest because they are not| listening stop if he himself is protest because they are not listening stop if he himself is not listening listening stop if he himself is not listening to listening stop if he himself is not listening to what listening stop if he himself is not listening to what the listening stop if he himself is not listening to what the people listening stop if he himself is not listening to what the people are i listening to what the people are trying listening to what the people are trying to listening to what the people are trying to tell listening to what the people are trying to tell him, listening to what the people are trying to tell him, we listening to what the people are trying to tell him, we are listening to what the people are trying to tell him, we are in trying to tell him, we are in trouble, trying to tell him, we are in trouble, we trying to tell him, we are in trouble, we dont trying to tell him, we are in trouble, we dont need trying to tell him, we are in. Trouble, we dont need things trying to tell him, we are in trouble, we dont need things like this trouble, we dont need things like this the trouble, we dont need things like this the oil trouble, we dont need things like this. The Oil Companies, trouble, we dont need things like this. The Oil Companies, they trouble, we dont need things like| this. The Oil Companies, they have ot this. The Oil Companies, they have got millions this. The Oil Companies, they have got millions to this. The Oil Companies, they have got millions to spare, this. The Oil Companies, they have got millions to spare, why this. The Oil Companies, they have got millions to spare, why dont i this. The Oil Companies, they havei got millions to spare, why dont we make got millions to spare, why dont we make them got millions to spare, why dont we make them invest got millions to spare, why dont we make them invest in got millions to spare, why dont we make them invest in tidal got millions to spare, why dont we make them invest in tidal and got millions to spare, why dont we make them invest in tidal and solar and wind make them invest in tidal and solar and wind power make them invest in tidal and solar and wind power. Guarantee make them invest in tidal and solar and wind power. Guarantee them. Make them invest in tidal and solar and wind power. Guarantee them a| and wind power. Guarantee them a price and wind power. Guarantee them a price like and wind power. Guarantee them a price like they and wind power. Guarantee them a price like they get and wind power. Guarantee them a price like they get from and wind power. Guarantee them a price like they get from petrol. And wind power. Guarantee them a price like they get from petrol. We | price like they get from petrol. We then get price like they get from petrol. We then get all price like they get from petrol. We then get all the price like they get from petrol. We then get all the renewable price like they get from petrol. We then get all the Renewable Energyl price like they get from petrol. We. Then get all the Renewable Energy we need at then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price we then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price we want then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price we want to then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price we want to pay then get all the Renewable Energy we need at the price we want to pay and | need at the price we want to pay and everybody need at the price we want to pay and everybody is need at the price we want to pay and everybody is winning need at the price we want to pay and everybody is winning and need at the price we want to pay and everybody is winning and the need at the price we want to pay and everybody is winning and the Oil Everybody is winning and the Oil Companies everybody is winning and the Oil Companies are everybody is winning and the Oil Companies are still everybody is winning and the Oil Companies are still in everybody is winning and the Oil Companies are still in control . I everybody is winning and the oil. Companies are still in control . You could easily companies are still in control . Could easily argue it is not good for people who argued and it is not good for the children of rishi sunak at the same time. But shabnam, keith is talking about you and the comments you have made. How do you want to respond . Comments you have made. How do you want to remand . Want to respond . Keith mentioned that peeple want to respond . Keith mentioned that people have want to respond . Keith mentioned that people have to want to respond . Keith mentioned that people have to break want to respond . Keith mentioned that people have to break into that people have to break into homes that people have to break into homes. No, they do not have to break into homes homes. No, they do not have to break into homes it homes. No, they do not have to break into homes. It is criminal and it is a horrible into homes. It is criminal and it is a horrible crime. The response of police a horrible crime. The response of police burglaries, ithink a horrible crime. The response of police burglaries, i think there will be police burglaries, i think there will be a police burglaries, i think there will be a whole lot on Police Responding to burglaries. You need to consider responding to burglaries. You need to consider the trauma on children and any to consider the trauma on children and any member of the family when something and any member of the family when Something Like this happens, when someone Something Like this happens, when someone has broken into someones one or someone has broken into someones one or accessed the home like the river one or accessed the home like the river and one or accessed the home like the river. And how this affects young people. River. And how this affects young people, elderly people, vulnerable people. People, elderly people, vulnerable people, when Something Like this happens people, when Something Like this happens. I take on board all the points happens. I take on board all the points and happens. I take on board all the points and respect what needs to be done for points and respect what needs to be done for Climate Change, all those things. Done for Climate Change, all those things. But done for Climate Change, all those things, but i think there are different things, but i think there are different ways to deal with it. Thank different ways to deal with it. Thank you. And thank you for your time in general this morning, shabnam. Shannon chaudhry, the former Shabnam Chaudhry the former. Keep this relatively brief if you could, just to reiterate the point that this might not be the last of it in terms of targeting the homes of high profile politicians, if they are not in their home . Abs. If they are not in their home . Role as greenpeace is to hold those in power to account. We will be on marches, signing petitions, inviting them to meetings and very occasionally we will decide to take direct action. Just like we did, peaceful protest. To highlight the egregious decisions this government has made. It is important we hold our politicians to account when the for our future. Our politicians to account when the for ourfuture. It is our politicians to account when the for our future. It is enormous and our politicians are not taking it seriously enough on Climate Change. Thank you very much. It has been so interesting, theyre past our to hear those range of views and our listeners and viewers speaking to will directly. That is the opportunity you get on this programme. Everybody and five live and on the news channel and bbc do as well this morning. Listening, i applaud greenpeaces actions yesterday. The climate will not wait. The tories action not good enough. We are saying goodbye to viewers on bmc two and bbc news. Mike bbc two. Tent and disappearfrom peoples lives. Good morning. I understand our Television Viewers are still with us. Great to have you still with us again. We have our viewers on bbc news channel and on bbc two, and on bbc radio 5 live. So, this is the programme where you get to have your say on the big stories of the moment. We havejust been say on the big stories of the moment. We have just been talking about Climate Change, protests around all of that this morning. Now, from 11 oclock we are going to talk about nhs waiting lists. We are asking if nhs waiting lists, if private is the cure . The private sector is going to be used more to tackle the backlog. A good or bad thing . More broadly, we want to do all of that side of things, does it fill you with alarm or you just think this is logical . If we want to try to cut the waiting lists we are seeing at the moment . It is certainly something that labour have supported, they said that the government or should have been doing some time ago. More broadly, what is your experience of nhs waiting lists at the moment . Tackling the backlog is one of the Prime Ministers famous five priorities in his pledges, saying they are going to decrease, shorten, lessen the waiting lists. Are you or a Family Member waiting for treatment or diagnosis question on how long have you been in the queue, how long have you been in the queue, how long have you waited and how is it impacting on your lines . Are you 0k you waited and how is it impacting on your lines . Are you ok with seeing a private provider if it comes to that, in the context of the Health Service . Do you care who is giving you the treatment if it means you get seen, or do you worry about the principles of the nhs, the
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