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Shooting into the Golf Course . You when the shots go off, there are going to be people very close to the gunshots calling 911. So theres a lot of information out there i suspect. Yeah, i know. I wonder chief, could you help underscore the complications of already its very difficult and challenging for you his detail, especially after an attempted assassination, but now were talking about on a Golf Course you know, obviously he has his own security there at his international Golf Course there. And that in addition to his own secret Service Detail, but give us an idea about the complications of trying to provide security anticipate any and all things while the former president is playing golf well, i mean, the Secret Service is trained in that area. I mean, we know he was on the Golf Course. I dont think we know yet whether or not the shots were fired from the Golf Course or or not . It could have been outside the Golf Course. We just dont know and as steve said before, you know, one of the keys is to find out where did the shots occur mean you need to track down either through eyewitnesses, ear witnesses, looking for Shell Casings, all the kinds of things you would normally do. Now if they had technology, theyre like Shotspotter Or Something like that. They could pinpoint within a very small area where the shots actually took place. I dont know if they have that kind of technology or not, but it is a challenge. Its difficult, especially when you have someone who likes to get out laid off going. A lot of rallies, indoor, outdoor. It is it is incredibly challenging but again, Secret Service are trained for that and they will be very aggressive and taking action to protect mr. Trump and any of the other candidates all right. Gentlemen. Thank you so much. Hold on for a second. Its the top of the hour. We just want to remind folks if youre just now tuning in with this Breaking News that were following boeing former president Donald Trumps campaign says, he is safe after gunshots were fired in the vicinity of where he was playing golf a short time ago. Were just now learning that the Palm Beach County Sheriffs Office will speak shortly at about 3 15 eastern time. Of course, well monitor that. If not be able to take it live cnns Kristen Holmes is joining us. Im back on the phone now, helping to first report this out. So the statement coming from the Trumpvance Campaign Site what have you since learned . Do we have learned exactly where this took place we are told by sources familiar with the event that had happened today while Donald Trump was playing golf, he was at his Trump International Golf Course, which is in West Palm Beach, florida. This is a different location than his maralago resort, which is in Palm Beach. We are still trying to get the details of what exactly that looked like, what we are told that the club went into immediate lockdown. Weve also now gotten a statement from Secret Service that says it Secret Service is investigating what they are calling a protective incidents following trump and following those gunshots being fired. So this is clearly an evolving situation we are still trying to understand what exactly the gunshots look like. And i heard you talking to one of your former guest about his security and just to explain as somebody who has followed this closely since that Shooting Assassination attempts in butler, pennsylvania, trump has had an extraordinary amplification of the security around him that includes when he has those at home with Local Pd, as well as traveling with Local Pd, as well as with Secret Service. That means that he has people traveling with him at all times. Ive seen him on the Golf Course. Ive seen the videos of him on the Golf Course. He has he goes around one cart. He has Secret Service in the cart behind him the amount of people traveling with him has also gone up since that Assassination Attempt. They have been amplifying that, again, both with Local Pd and with Secret Service. The other thing to keep in mind that they have done is they have tried to block off specific roads now, whats interesting about that, fred, is that a lot of the roads that we know that they have blocked off or actually at his maralago resort, making it impossible for people to get close or to stop. Not clear what they have done. If anything, around this second property. So thatll be interesting for seemed to figure out what exactly they had in terms of Security Protocols in place. Just a reminder, even regardless of what exactly happened, the idea that gunshots could be fired within the vicinity close the Secret Service is investigating now that be campaign put out a Statement Saying that they were that she was safe. Is pretty extraordinary, given the level of protection that he has right now and the fact that there was an Assassination Attempt on the former well, president earlier this summer. Again, course, we are still learning the details. We are learning. We are trying to figure out exactly what they mean when they say fired within the vicinity. But you have to take into account the fact that the Secret Service says that they are investigating this incident that is not a random statement. They are going to be investigating an incident in fact that occurred near protectees not just any old incident that maybe happened miles away. It would have had to have potentially some kind of Rubber Caution on. Their protectee or some kind of relation to their protectee. And i will tell you that i was also told by the course went into immediate lockdown after for this happened. Obviously that is protocol. As they tried to figure out what exactly happened, ive talked to a number of Law Enforcement sources who are still piecing together the details im assuming that were going to learn more about this as you said, and about ten minutes when those when we finally hear from the Law Enforcement on what exactly they have uncovered. But it does seem to still be. The details are still coming together. Fred. So what we know now again, just just to, just to reiterate, is that shots were fired. Theres Secret Service is investigating Donald Trump with on Lockdown Playing Golf in West Palm Beach at florida international Golf Club when this happened, Kristen Holmes. Thank you so much. Well get back with you. I want to bring back my Law Enforcement experts now and also add to the mix formerly of the u. S Secret Service, Jonathan Wackrow is with us and again, Charles Ramsey back with me as well as Steve Moore want to wonder jonathan, if i could go to you first and talk to me about, you the role of the Secret Service in this investigation. At the same time, continuing to offer protection to the former president fred. At this, i just want to expand a little bit about a little bit on what Kristen Holmes just reported about the enhanced secret Service Protection around the former president. I think thats really important here because what weve seen recently in the expansion of the protective agents that are around the former president is around really the outer perimeter that early warning in the Secret Service they refer to it as a Counter Surveillance and they work oftentimes with local police especially around Golf Courses. Weve done this for years dating back to you the bush administration, where weve had Golf Course protocols that were put into place, thinking about the thinking about like the concentric rings of protection away from the protectee. So what we have here is weve most likely have shots that were fired in the vicinity, probably on the perimeter of the of the Golf Course, proximately recognized by one of these, either local Police Departments or Secret Service agents, which initiated that lockdown that we heard. The Secret Service has a welldefined protocols you take the protectee and move them immediately and the open air spaces into armor. So ideally they move them into the protective limousine. The armored limousine, or into a safe location at the clubhouse. All of this stuff is practiced by the Secret Service time and time again. In here again but of an abundance of caution. Never they hear that there are shots being fired within the openair environment of a protectee. They are going to take the proactive measure of immediately moving them into a safe location from an investigative standpoint, that protective intelligence agents that are now assigned to the former president are working with coco Law Enforcement to identify the shooter, and theyll want to conduct a Field Interview immediately to assess was this a targeted attack against the former president or is this a Criminal Act within the region that actually had no factor to the former president himself okay. Thank you so much. At a jonathan and so Chief Ramsey, to you there will be this coordination we just heard it underscored by Jonathan Wackrow, though. The coordination between local police and the Sheriffs Office and a Secret Service. How will they parcel out . I guess duties . Directions into this investigation i would imagine the local Law Enforcement would be the lead until a point in time or less point in time where it looks as if there was an actual threat toward the former president. If thats the case, then of course the Secret Service would take over. But right now, i dont know what they have and until we have a Press Conference to really explain what took place a lot of us just speculation. I mean, johns absolutely right in terms of the procedures and th ns but they did the right thing. Youve got to get him to a safe location you have to immediate it doesnt matter until you sort things out. And eventually they will sort it out. But at this point in time, is just ongoing maybe theyll have enough to tell us something concreted. 315 maybe not at 3 15. But the Bottom Line is mr. Trump is safe thats the Bottom Line. And thats whats important at this point in time. Very important cnn is now learning from a Law Enforcement official that a car has been stopped in that general area as it pertains to this investigation, John Miller is also with us now and john, i understand you have some reporting youre learning from your sources about the weapon that may have been a type of weapon that may have been used here. And where the suspicion or the motive, the direction of it is going right now so i mean, ill caveat this with this is unfolding rapidly. So all of this information is preliminary and it may shift and change as weve seen before. But what we are looking at is starting to come into focus a little more sharply so this is what we have right now from Law Enforcement sources who have been briefed on this. And it appears that around 2 00 shots were fired at the Golf Course possibly coming from the Tree Line while former President Trump was playing golf. The Secret Service identified the direction and the shooter returned fire at that gunman who were able to provide a description of an individual and a vehicle. We are told that if vehicle that is close to that description has been stopped by Palm Beach County police possibly in martin county, just over the line, and that they are holding that individual for the purposes of identification to see if the witness is can identify that person or there is evidenced in that car that may connect him in the meantime in the meantime, in the area of the shootings, sources say they recovered a backpack and a semiautic Automatic Rifle that was described as an Ak 47. And the preliminary reporting and a Gopro Camera the last piece is very interesting because it suggests if there was such a camera there, that this individual may have wanted to record himself no firstperson doing the shooting. So a lot of questions to be answered is the suspect they have the right person is not the right car the weapon that they have has to be processed for evidence and ballistics if Theres Video on that camera. If in fact it was recovered as we are told what will that tell them but that is what we are seeing right now. So whats the direction here the direction here is the same as We Saw in pennsylvania which is if this was a directed assault against former President Trump the Secret Service and local Law Enforcement have had the handle on that in the immediate sense. But it would become an Fbi Investigation as an assault on a former Government Official who is under protection. And we are going to be seeing and hearing a lot about this in the hours and days to come. Well, all those details are quite extraordinary. John. And just for clarity, to make sure i heard everything properly when you say a backpack, backpack and a semiautomatic weapon, Ak 47 were recovered that that you know, semiautomatic weapon. The inference has not been made that it was necessarily used in this incident, but that one has been recovered and an individual has also been stopped when we say just one person, were not saying that that person was also in the company of any others, correct thats right. Although as im getting it from sources, the weapon was recovered at the scene and and again, we know this information can shift and change, but the presumption is that that would be the weapon that was used in this assault. Steve miller, formerly of the fbi, we heard you know, John Talking there about Stephen War rather talking about how the fbi would be involved here, if not leading the investigation i guess phil, in some of the blanks on how that would happen well, as John Said once the crime has occurred, that was directed at the president , then the Secret Service steps back and give the fbi that investigation. So theyre not encumbered, providing ongoing security. They cant just be doing when all these things at the same time. The Information John gave is obviously just kind of startling it goes back to what we were saying about getting aerial assets out there to see what might have been left on the course by the shooter i stunned by the fact that there were shots returned and this has gone from something that appeared to be coincidental to something that is is going to be remembered for years. Yeah, i mean, it is really extraordinary and Chief Ramsey yes. To hear John Miller also reveal their through this information that these shots were fired through the Tree Line, that there was a Return Fire coming from the Secret Service of course, we dont know or unless john, youve learned this to what kind of distance were talking about do you have you heard anything about the distance involved here . Okay. No. Alright. So charles ramsay, i mean, give me your reaction here to this kind of detail that were hearing. Again, preliminary startled well, first of all, john has incredible sources and he just does it time and time again. Hes able to get information very quickly. And if those sources are correct, i have no reason to believe that that, theyre not if its coming from john, he double checks things. This changes everything it changes everything. And the way in which they go about investigating this. Now is going to be different. And again, like steve said, if there was an exchange of gunfire where they so you can service agents or some Law Enforcement actually fired at a suspect again, this is rapidly unfolding. Information does change sometimes the first information you get is not 100 accurate, but its close enough to know that this isnt just some random thing were to gangbangers shooting at each other outside the Golf Course. This sounds like much more than that and it will be handled accordingly. So well find out more information they will be having a presser at some point in time, but this may delay depressor. This is a lot of information that theyre going to have to go grow and do as much as they can to substantiate before they actually go before the public, right john, with any investigation, eyewitness accounts is huge. I mean, its its its paramount. And talk to me now about likely what is happening now with Law Enforcement trying to work together or to talk to as many people as they can from all of these angles, if were talking about a vehicle on a road in the periphery, a Tree Line, it would mean someone getting out of the vehicle, someone possibly eyewitnessing this person walking through the woods. I mean, there are a lot of potential eyeballs that might be involved here well, there are and i mean, were seeing that literally unfold in action as we kind of go through these accounts, because weve heard accounts from witnesses who called into the police saying that there were individuals shooting at each other on the outside of the perimeter of the golf the Golf Course what is coming into focus now because that Story Kind of took it away from, oh, well, these werent shots at Donald Trump. These were shots being fired between two other people, is it is most likely that that was the Secret Service agents pursuing this subject and shooting back and forth or returning fire, which caused those witness statements to emerge i also think youre seeing the Law Enforcement action here. Between the rapid engagement of the Secret Service, returning fire with apparently more than one agent, possibly more than one agent and a description of a car Palm Beach County. And its Law Enforcement partners then clicking on those technologies cameras what do we have for License Plate readers . Do we have a License Plate on that car or a partial . Can we scan those readers and put that over the Air And Alert more units for a stop. At any event, did stop a possible suspect in a car matching the possible description. And theyre sorting through that person now and trying to get those witnesses who saw him to at him and again possibly in a field show up and see if they can confirm. Is this the person they saw fleeing . And of course, then theres going to be the matter of that automobile. Whether they go through it in the course of exigent circumstances for safety reasons were lock that down for a Search Warrant. All of this will all of this is still unfolding as we are talking about it again, we owe was that huge if somebody was about to say something . Okay. Sorry. Just all these interesting signals. Karasic. All right. Thank you so much, John Miller, hold on gentlemen, because i want to bring in cnns Sunlen Serfaty at the White House because they understand that the harris campaign, and of course the sitting president fed, have all been informed of whats going on. What are you learning . Thats absolutely right, fred growth, Vice President harris, and President Biden have been briefed on this incident and theyre expressing that there are relief that former President Trump is safe now this just in from a white House Officials saying in a statement, quote, the president and Vice President ive been briefed about this Security Incident at the Trump International Golf Course, where former President Trump was golfing. They are relieved to know that he is safe. They will be kept right . Regularly, updated by their team. So that notable coming from the White House and as ongoing situation as we continue to learn more, fred and notably of the Vice President and the president are both here. For in washington, dc. President biden is here at the White House and they both have no events on their public schedule. And we of course, well keep you updated as they learn more here at the White House all right, Sunlen Serfaty. Thank you so much for that. Well keep tabs with you. Appreciate it. Back to my Law Enforcement experts who are back with me now and i wonder Steve Moore to you, if you could speak to the need or the urgency for West Palm authorities. We heard that they were going to have a Press Conference possibly at 3 15 eastern time, but talk to me about the possible urgency of getting out information that it does know or the importance of delaying information because this is so early in the investigation necessary. Fredricka because Number One, you need to ensure that there are not any additional followon Attacks Plan and you do that by quick searches. My quick investigation. And as John Said, you i have to make hard decisions like, do we want to search that car without a warrant under under provisions that allow you to search a vehicle because it is movable and easily taken or do you want to wait for a warrant which would make your findings theyre much more secure. Her in court i think thats the direction were going to have to go. And just to put something else in the mix here. If that gun, the rifle that was found is an ar15 or im sorry, an ak ak47. Thats kind of interesting because every other Shooter Weve seen recently have ar 15s, a lower caliber. Ive been trained on both in the ak47 is a ridiculously powerful weapon and its many fewer than the ak or the ar15. This. And then i wonder Charles Ramsey, chief how will Law Enforcement investigate even if they confiscate this Ak 47 . Perhaps to later wait for a warrant for the vehicle what kind of information might they be . Well, to extrapolate from these two things and use it as it fills in the blanks on this investigation well, i mean, if this is the suspect in this particular incident, there will be Search Warrants, whether they get one immediately for the car or for home, or wherever. I mean, therell be doing though a lot of things going on behind the scenes to try to identify this Person Youve got to check his Social Media footprint. Theres a lot of things that will be going on as part of this investigation. I would imagine before they actually search that car at the very least, theyll get bombed dogs to check it out just to make sure that there are no explosive materials in the car. So in my opinion, that would be better off getting a Search Warrant because it once they get him out of the car check it out to make sure theres no explosives, but then be careful because all that evidence is evidenced. Youre going to need later on in court, once if this is in fact the person responsible for the shots fired and then we were told that West Palm Beach sheriffs might have a Press Conference about 3 15. Now, were being told that the Sheriffs Office and concert with the u. S. Secret service will have a briefing shortly. So unclear exactly what time that will be, but then John Miller, perhaps this underscores the importance of speaking on one accord what do you expect . Thats the best way to go, which is everybody who has been involved in this. Its been a Team Effort that rapidly unfolded between multiple police agencies and the Secret Service to get together and do that first briefing. Number one, it will help us sort through the details that we have and which ones have shifted or changed if any. But number two, for the General Public, it gives them that flash brief, which is heres what we know. Heres what we dont know yet and heres when were going to get back to you with more and i think thats very helpful as they tried to put that together your goal is to get it together within the first first hour. Thats really hard to do, but thats your goal. And i think theyre moving towards that steve in addition to further investigating a weapon that was recovered, looking at the vehicle, questioning the suspect, it also means descending on that person residents whether theyve even learned a place of work, talk to me about those things that are probably happening right now they definitely are happening right now. Theres a Command Post right now firing off leads to different agencies. They are trying to get get traction on this pretty quickly therell be talking to family members, friends, coworkers, as you said and then from those people, theyre going to get secondary names. Say, oh, he hung out with this person at work. Youre going to get that secondary wave of interviews and its going to mushroom out to where you are youre going to need probably 100 to 200 investigators to hit this really hard, really fast. So that you can get all of the family, all the friends, plus youre going to have to have the forensic computer people come in and just find every bit it Hardware And Software he has and mirror it and get it have people looking at it as fast as you possibly can. And John Miller, i love to put you on the spot One More Time because from your sources, were learning all of this new information from the shots being fired shortly after 2 00 p. M. Im wondering if you wouldnt mind One More Time telling us what youre learning from your sources based on the sequence of events that theyre reporting. What happened so again preliminary information is that the former president was on the Golf Course playing golf being guarded by his secret Service Detail that shots were fired coming from the direction of a treeline. We are told that Secret Service returned fire towards that shooter and pursued an individual and shots were exchanged and that witnesses say an individual was seen fleeing apparently in a car. A description was given and put out License Plate readers. Were searched and a Car Stop was made by local Law Enforcement where an individual is being detained. We do not know whether that individual is the shooter or just someone who fit the description or was in a similar car . They were in the process of trying to get witnesses who saw the individual who was shooting and fleeing to make that identification. And of course theyre investigating that individual and his background the the gun that was recovered was recovered with a backpack and we are told a Gopro Camera so those things are all going to have extreme relevance. Whats in the backpack what other things may be there that could be evidence, additional ammunition perhaps maps or directions what is that weapon that will be the job of atf, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms to determine the Serial Number on that weapon and trace it at least to the Point Of Sale and then at that retailer, they can find out to whom it will sail sold. And when Florida Gun laws are relatively lax in that once you obtain a weapon, you are able to sell it to other people so therell be going through that to see if it connects to the gunman as We Saw in the last attempt on President Trumps life the gun actually led them to the identification of the gunman because its pointofsale was to his father and then to him. So a lot of wheels turning right now yeah. All very fascinating also. A good deal of this reporting. Also comes from Kristen Holmes, who of course, covers the Trump Campaign and all of his movements with us and was confirmed by my sources. So were getting this from a couple of directions. Exactly. And shes doing additional reporting, so shell be joining us again a very soon as well so back to the backpack and the ak47 that were recovered while we just add the conversation about a warrant would be needed most likely to best preserve and protect what information is garnered from the vehicle. In this case, it was left behind if i heard you correctly, the first time around, it was left behind. There wouldnt be a warrant needed, but there could instead be a search conducted right away in that backpack and that kind of tracing of information of the ak47 can happen immediately, correct it can. But theyre going to be very careful in the handling of these things. I mean, depending on where that gun was found, right now, we are operating on the information that it was found near the scene. If it was found in the car, that would be one further thing tying that individual to the alleged crime, but thats not what we have right now. And again as Chief Ramsey pointed out, and Chief Ramsey, hes been around a long time and hes lived this experience the first story is never right. But what we believe that the information were getting from our sources which is the flash reporting coming from Law Enforcement on the scene, is going to be a pretty close composite to how this unfolded. That gunn will have to be processed for dna for fingerprints. So what what the practice that ive always used at the scene that my colleagues always whos at the scene is. If the gun fell with the Serial Number of facing up you to take a picture of it, and then not to handle that weapon at all because you dont want to add any biological material or disturb it before the lab people get to it. You want to give it to them as pristinely as possible gentlemen. Thank you so much. I want to bring in senior Justice Correspondent evan perez, who is with us now. You have more information on yes someone detained thats right. Fred the authorities there as you could serve as on the scene were able to detain that person. Now obviously, as john just just making reference, a lot of this is very early information from Law Enforcement la times. Its you know, it its just the heat of the moment and theyre trying to report what they have at the scene, but at this point, what theyre saying is that theyve detained a person. They believe this is a person who was connected to this to the scene. And the reason why there were shots fired from the Secret Service side is they believe that this person was boys to fire shots, perhaps in the direction of the former president. They were trying to they were trying to prevent this from happening. And so they obviously, given Given Everything that has happened in the last few weeks obviously very much, much more on guard and making sure they here are aware of any possible threats. And so thats what they decided to do here. We dont know if that person was struck by anything. But now begins the harder work of trying to figure out everything about this person what if any, connection they had to the any political views that could influence what happened all of those things are motivations and how long theyve been planning this, all of this stuff is of course now a big part of this investigation and keep in mind down in florida where the former president lives and where he spends a lot of this time oh other than in New Jersey club, there . He has great deal of protection and so thats one of the things that seems to have come into play here, is the extra layers of protection, especially when hes on his home Golf Course i havent perez. Thank you so much. If had folks folks at home are just now joining us. We want to let you know that Breaking News that were following former president Donald Trumps campaign saying he is safe after gunshots were fired in his vicinity while he was on his Golf Course a short time ago, just after 2 00 eastern time. Were learning that trump was playing golf at the club the Trump International Golf Club in Palm Beach, florida when this took place, sources are telling cnn that officials believe the shots were intended for trump and that an Ak 47 was recovered near a Tree Line area. There at the Golf Course. Law enforcement officials saying that a car was also a stop nearby in relation to the shots being fired, a Press Conference from the Palm Beach County Sheriffs Office and the u. S. Secret service will be taking place soon. Of course, were going to continue to monitor it and take it live. If were able to do that, my Law Enforcement panel is back with me now, John Miller, Charles Ramsey, Steve Moore Jonathan Wackrow and you know, john, you made a great point about just tracing the Serial Number off that ak47 in any way theyre able to do that without compromising any evidence that is because on there, how long might it take if they were able to retrieve that kind of serial Number Information without compromising any forensic evidence on that weapon before theyre able to get they confirmed identity of the person who may have purchased it and any kind of activity that may have happened with that weapon so the Gun Tracing System that the atf us is computerized. They can trace that gun from the manufacturer to the store. It was sold to but thats where things can slow down because they then have to go to that merchant they have to get that merchant to open their books and say, heres this serial Number One. Did you see its when did you sell it and to whom and that doesnt tell us if that person sold it to somebody who sold it to somebody so it can be a timeconsuming process, or it can unfold very rapidly. Its a sunday is that store open . Are they there . It could it could take some time, but in the context that they have a description of a vehicle, they have a vehicle stopped, they have possible a person in custody who is being investigated to determine whether he was the person involved in this the tracing of the gun might be come less crisp niccol, if that suspect turns out to be a good suspect in this case, if that suspect turns out to be not the person involved than the tracing of the gun. Of course, all of this will happen simultaneously becomes more critical Steve Moore, what about what we would see seemingly simple crossreferencing of fingerprints. I know we talked about not compromising the weapon, but if you have someone detained, you have a vehicle and possible fingerprint on this ak47. Might those be lifted right away with a Crossreferencing Or Comparison well, the problem with fingerprinting the gun right away is if you do it quickly in order just to get fingerprints youre possibly destroying Dna Evidence and other evidence. It would be crucial the dna is the stuff thats most perishable while the fingerprints will survive, a lot of handling so that would be the last thing they want to pull off the rifle. So theyre certainly going to try to avoid that i mean, if the gun had say, a Scope Or Something like that Number One, it would tell you that it wasnt out plinking it would also be a possible source where you could go to try to fight a fingerprint which wouldnt compromise the rest of the whole gun if it were my case, i wouldnt want them doing that because as Chief Ramsey pointed out every shortcut you take, now, by shortcut, i dont mean illegal actions, but every avenue you take to allow you to obtain information without a warrant or without properly processing is evidenced that is at risk when you go to trial and chief, it sounds like a lot of information thus far so were learning, but of course, at the same time, its not enough information. What are your thoughts right now well, i mean, its still early, so, you know its a lot considered considering his only been slightly more than an hour so this is a lot of information and more will come out over time. But again, theyre still a lot of unanswered questions was the suspect actually able to find i are a shot or did the Secret Service see him prior to him being able to do that, maybe getting in position. And then the shots that you heard, were actually the Secret Service taking action against the we dont know the answer to that. Thats the kind of stuff well find out at this Press Conference. So theres a lot going on right now. A lot of information. But the fact that its been this long now, they said three 315 now its about 3 40 tells me theres more again to this story than just again, just random shots fired outside the Golf Course they had nothing to do with the president and theyre actually trying to either trying to get their timeline in, trying to get as much information as possible. So what they give you is accurate as it can be considering the fact this is early in the investigation, they dont want to speculate. They want to just give you as much concrete facts as they possibly right. And then chief, if i know youve been in this Position Session so many times, you know, what mobile jurisdiction also working with federal authorities. So in a case like this, when there is a lot of information, of course, a lot of blank still have to be filled. There is a conscientious Decision Making Process with this coordinated effort about what kind of information should be hey public. I wonder if you could take us through that right now. How us Secret Service, how Palm Beach sheriff will try to make a determination about what is the information that the public needs to know, what is information that they need to keep close to the vest . So as not to compromise the investigation which is ongoing well, thats going to become more of a challenge if, like jon said, this individual that they have right now, that theyre detaining. Turns out not to be the person just someone who happened to be driving the same kind of par before an example and you still have someone whos out there that theyre looking for. But when they get together and they go through the investigation, they make a Point Determination as to what can be released what should be held back, either because it hadnt been verified . Yet or you know, theres theres other people that they may be involved in this and they dont know yet. And so theres gonna be some information withheld therell be a lot of information. I think therell be able to provide us that at least lets us know that this wasnt just some random incident. This was actually a threat to the former president or not John Miller. Whats likely happening at the Trump International Golf Club right now, it was under lockdown for a period of time. Ive not learned any information as to whether thats been lifted, even though they have this kind of information to lead them in the direction of the vehicle. And a person detained but what likely is happening there with the investigative phase in terms of interviewing and looking at cameras, videos its Et Cetera so immediately the Golf Course itself is a Crime Scene, and that means where the shooter was shooting from, whether that was on the Golf Course boris, or whether that was from outside the Golf Course at a perimeter thats a Crime Scene where the Secret Service returned fire were. There are Shell Casings fell in the grass thats a Crime Scene where those bullets may have struck and be embedded in in a tree or somewhere else. Thats a Crime Scene so the Golf Course has to be sealed now. And thats going to be likely Fbi Evidence recovered evidence, recovery team, the ert and Secret Service, and local Law Enforcement because theres gonna be a lot of ground to cover and basically a Grid Search thats going to remain a Crime Scene for some time. And im talking about through tonight possibly into tomorrow, while they literally cover all that ground as chuck pointed out and steve, theyre going to want to look at every camera youre going to, want to look at whos been there. Theyre going to want to look at cameras, going backwards to see do we see that person doing some reconnaissance in the days leading up to the shooting. As We Saw with the suspect in the pennsylvania case, theyre going to want to look at the License Plate readers and see what cars passing by there and whether or not any of them are connected to the individual, they have stopped so theres a giant set of wheels that are turning now and as steve pointed out, its better if they turn slowly as long as they have that Crime Scene locked down therell be looking to interview those words this is reinterview them this is going to be a big deal in terms of investigative resources. And Jonathan Wackrow, formerly of the the Secret Service, are you still with us . I know we dont see you, but can we hear you still all right. It looks like all right. Very good. So jonathan, i wonder if you could help underscore the importance of this coordination between the us Secret Service its in Palm Beach sheriffs in what is expected to be a briefing that we hope to be able to take carry live. It was ghetto for 315. But now we understand it will just happen momentarily. And there were now looking at live shot if we can show that again of them preparing the microphones and that arena for that upcoming briefing. And i wonder i know its early. This allegedly happened just after 2 00, based on the reporting that were receiving. But i wonder if youre able to help us discover whether the Secret Service will feel like it is compelled to have the best timeline possible. Because remember, shortly after the butler, pennsylvania attempted assassination the u. S. Secret service got a lot of heat for now not having a timeline. Granted that was a shortly like days, if not weeks after that incident, but today, do you believe theyre probably piecing together . Theyre the best kind of timeline possible to reveal publicly curious what theyre going to try to do is reassure the public. And unlike what We Saw with the incident in butler, pennsylvania, when local Law Enforcement had their first Press Briefing, the Secret Service was not there and that was a fatal flaw by them. Why . Because race now the Secret Service, along with their local and federal counterparts, need to reassure the General Public one, the president since the former president is safe, they took the appropriate action. They had the right structure in Place X the former president do you need to address to the extent that they can that theres no additional threats, right now the former president was shot at in a protected environment. They need to which are the public that there are no additional threats to the extent that they know that. Now, if they Cant Confirm that, they need to describe what actions are they doing to ensure the public safety as Commissioner Miller said, no, this is just an initial briefing. Theyre going to talk about what they know, right this second yes actions that theyre taking theres a lot we dont know. Theres a lot we dont know about the suspect potentially, the motivation behind the shooting, the intense we definitely know the capabilities of the shooter because they launched the attack, but in the world of the investigation, were only in its infancy. So were not going to have every single answer and i want to make sure that the public, that we see sort of Level Set Expectations of what were going to fear. But the fact that the Secret Service is going to do a Press Briefing jointly with local Law Enforcement. Is extremely important in starting to be very transparent about what happened what is going on, and what the future looks like in terms of this investigation Steve Moore, formerly of the fbi. What are you looking to hear from this briefing so much in their Command Post, the information is coming in even faster than its coming into us. So what i would want to know is were shots fired downrange or as i think, what Chief Ramsey said was there no shots fired by the shooter and just shots fired . Hired by the Secret Service. That would be fascinating to me. I would also like to know whether the rifle had a scope on it, which would indicate that he was out there shooting long just since i would like to know about the suspect himself. Is he from florida what are his allegiances is alliances, his Social Media just and id like to find out whether hes involved in any organizations. This this theres so much there that you we havent even scratched the surface yet, have all the information but those are the things i want to know right now. How many rounds were fired down range and they can estimate that by how many casings and whether or not this person engaged the Secret Service agent afterwards which would mean the team, if he had left the ak, maybe he had a pistol with him to defend himself, which is another indicator, if you remember, lee Harvey Oswald after he got, after he left with after shooting a rifle, he killed a policeman just down the way with a pistol so i mean, this would indicate this seriousness of the attempts. So i guess what im looking for is is this a Crackpot Amateur or are we looking at at a at a longterm plan all alright. Thank you so much for that Sunlen Serfaty is at the white House And Senate lynn, i understand you have a statement now coming from Vice President Kamala Harris fred, this just a new statement in from the Vice President expressing that she is glad that former president Donald Trump is safe. This was sent out just moments ago from the Vice President s account on x, formerly twitter, and she says in full, quote, i have been briefed on reports of a Gunshot Shot fired near former President Trump and his property in florida. And i am glad that he is saved. She ends with violence, has no place in america. Now this comes as we are also learning that President Biden has been briefed just in the last hour here at the White House, both Vice President Kamala Harris and current President Biden are here in washington, dc. They are not on the campaign trail. They have no events on their public schedule we received a statement from a white House Official early on in this incident, just in the last hour, expressing similar that they both had been briefed and they both are really weve that he is safe, notably, that statement did not express what Vice President harris did in her she added at the end, violence has no place in america. So certainly please signifies, as we learn more about this incident, potentially what happened, potentially what the motive is notable that the Vice President here reiterating that Vibe Islands should not be in politics in america. At this time fred. All right, sunlen is a friday at the White House. Thank you so much for that back with me now, my Law Enforcement my panel, John Miller, Charles Ramsey, Steve Moore, Jonathan Wackrow and i wonder Chief Ramsey what are your expectations in this briefing that could happen momentarily involving a Palm Beach sheriffs and us Secret Service mean, the first brief thing normally, you dont necessarily get all of your questions answered. They may not have all the answers to all the questions, but i think youll get a lot of information if this is actually a suspect in this case, Youll Youll get a pretty good sense now whether or not they released the name thats another matter because they still got locations. Theyve got to secure our home maybe if hes got a business, they want to interview relatives because the minute that names out there, media and every but he also is going to be all over it so you want to you want to do as much as you can before that takes place. So theres a lot of stuff that still has to happen. But my sense is that you get youll get quite a bit of information to know whether or not it was this an attack . Directed at the former president or not. And i to aleast answer that. And i think steve raised a good point with this exchange of gunfire. If the ak was actually left at the scene, he had a secondary gun. Did they recover any other weapon out of that car . I mean, theres all kinds of questions that they may or may not be will answer, but i suspect theyll answer quite a few Jonathan Wackrow, formerly of the Secret Service, as we can hear, you, cant see you. Im wondering what are your expectations will be from this joint Briefing Expectations are very similar to what the rest of the panel is discussing, which is we want to know what the facts are right now, right . This is a very dynamic and rapidly evolving situation. I mean, i think were less than two hours from when the reported initial shots were fired. We do understand that they have a suspect in custody, but again, as that Interview Process and investigations start it may not be the person or it may be one of many other people. Again, we need to hear from the Secret Service and local Law Enforcement. Again, what do we know now . And what does the future look like in terms of this investigation we do know that some items of evidentiary value to include the weapon was recovered. We want to be able to understand how that investigative process is going to utilize those items again, to either confirm the identity of the shooter or starts pointing to others that may be involved, began the Secret Service, local Law Enforcement, and the fbi, who will now be taking over the lead role. In the investigation of again, another attempted assassination potentially of the former president what are all of those entities doing . What is their role in responsibility again, if you think about what the reporting has been to date, weve also understand that Secret Service agents Return Fire potentially pursued the suspect against the now we have another complexity which is an agent involved shooting thats another investigation by the local prosecutors in the u. S. Attorneys office that will also open up. So again, very complicated landscape not too different than the early hours around the attempted assassination in butler pennsylvania, just a short time ago. So the expectations coming out of this is that there is a plan to investigate this shooting reassure the public that they are safe and be transparent about what does the future hold in terms of the investigation. All right. I want to thank everybody. John miller, Charles Ramsey, Steve Moore, Jonathan Wackrow. Appreciate all of you. Were going to continue to follow this Breaking News. Former President Trumps campaign saying he is safe after gunshots were fired in the vicinity a short time ago i add his West Palm Beach Golf Club officials believe an armed individual intended to target trump, a person was detained following the incident thank you so much for joining me today. Im Fredricka Whitfield are Breaking News coverage continues after this yes 30 years. Ive been saying publicly, more people say and turns out i have enough money. I could just shut off back i cant carve saturday, October 5th on cnn youre seeing skechers, famous glide step, but where everywhere. 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