I guess that clears that up. You know, im not certain about a lot of things. There are three things in this world that i do have certaintude on. The Empire Strikes back is the best star wars movie. [cheers and applause] o. J. Killed those two people. And the third one is what my erect penis looks like in my own underwear. [applause] i will tell you this i know. My penis like the front of my hand that i use to get to know my penis. [laughter] so i dont know whats going on here. I dont know how this things going the play out, but obviously well keep you appear appear appear nis of any new things going on. Day three of sarahs one nation us with tour, she met with donald trump on his home turf right here in new york city. Jon oh, my god shes here shes in the house . With him . Wow, this brings up so many questions. Whose name will they put on the vehicle they travel in . Hmmm. Will they call it trailing palump . What will they call it. So trumps showing palin the town. Im sure he took her to some savvy place like the trump all you can eat caviar trump foie gras cafeteria, where youre guaranteed to contract gout, the disease of kings. Do you feel broke . They went out for a slice of pizza in new yorks times square. Jon slice of pizza. Respect. The place is called famous famiglia pizza an albanian chain of pizzeria. [laughter] jon what . Famous famiglia is on 50th an broadway. Ive eaten there, that pizza is fine. I used to eat there a lot when i was working next door at carolines comedy club. Its Good Convenience pizza. Back in the 08s there werent a lot of food options. It was famiglias pizza or edible underwear from one of the porn shops. Giuliani took that option away. You know, donald i dont want to say anything but if youre taking an esteemed visitor to get real new york pizza, famiglias aint it. It was great. Wasnt that good . It was real new york pizza. Jon no no its not unless real authentic new york pizza can also be found in terminal four of the phoenix airport. Governor palin new york disrespect to you youre a guest in our city we should offer you the finest that our hospitality has to offer you. I just would have thought captain combover could have pulled that one offer. I mean for [bleeped] sake, its new york city. I hate to use this term this close to ground zero but were a bit of a pizza mi mean, you know you got lombardis. [cheers and applause] honestly lombardis. Oldest pizza rhea in town, little italy, they make their own pork sausage. Go to grimaldis under the brooklyn bridge. Go there early. Totonnos, coney island, thin crust, sweet sauce. Go to the one on bleeckers. Thats full. But the pies, mmm. Deninos on Staten Island the bred crumbs on the island. Go to josephs. [bleeped]. I get it. I get it. [applause] youre in a hurry. Maybe theres security concerns. Ill forgive you the selection. I apologize. Lets just go to the content of your meeting and then well just son of a bitch. You stab your slices, donald . With all due respect, you stab slices of pizza, the steam from the bottom of the slice is going to make the top crust [bleeped]. Maybe all those years, all those years of making your hair do whatever it is that it does, you think you can go around layering any [bleeped] thing you want the layer and no one is going the say anything about irtd but you cannot. You know something, i apologize. I apologize. No disrespect. I apologize. Lets continue with the meeting. Are you eating it with a fork, a [bleeped] fork . Ahhhh nooooo [laughter] [speaking gibb irish] donald trump, why dont you take that fork and stick it right in new yorks eye. Donald trump, we work hard. Can you do this . You disrespect us in our own house . You can few your name on everything. You can build your [bleeped] glass and goldpaint buildings to the sky, blocking out the central park sun. Its fine. Its fine. But you invite an important visitor to our house and our town and eat your pizza with a fork right in front of her. Who the [bleeped] do you think you are . [spoken with italian accent] why dont you beat it with a crying goat on liberty island, you son of a bimp. You son of a bitch. Watch and learn. Watch and learn for gods sake. Watch and [bleeped] learn. [cheers and applause] you ogre. You fold it and you eat it. One hand. You have the other hand free, power aw2bopepper. Maybe you give it to your friend. Its delicious, yeah, yeah. Take care of that. All right. Very nice. Or maybe you just use your other hand to take an irresponsible amount of napkin dab it on. There and maybe a few minutes later you just throw them the [bleeped] out. You just throw them out. Or you leave them on the table and say, you want a tip heres your [bleeped] tip. What do i look like, a [bleeped] bus boy . No disrespect. Actually, i was a bus boy. My point is this [laughter] [cheers and applause] donald, im going to tell you a story. Im going to tell you a story, donald trump, my grandparents immigrated to this country. My gann fare worked as a taxi driver in brooklyn. My other grandfather worked as a dry cleaner in washington heights. I do not come from successful stock. But every day they worked their fingers to the bone, to the bone, because it was their dream that some day their grandson could afford demeanor v. D. S of all robert de niros movies, so that he could, little jewish boy of latvian lithuanian and mongolian blood could one day god willing, pretend to be italian on television. [cheers and applause] andnr now you [bleeped] your pizza with a fork. Based on how you eat pizza, donald, i want to see your long form birth certificate. With at t, strong can turn a simple lunch break. Into advanced economics. At ts network has the nations strongest 4g lte signal. [grunting] to love this life is to live it naturally. [moo] every cookie here at left twix® is extra crisp so it stays crunchy when we apply caramel and chocolate. Right twix has the same thing. They have packing tape like that over at right twix . Try both. Pick a side. Twix [cheers and applause] jon my guest tonight is a bestselling author. Hes a prizewinning journalist. He hosts bill moyers journal. His new book is called bill moyers journal the conversation continues. Please welcome back to the program bill moyers. [cheers and applause] so nice to see you. And you too. Jon thank you for coming by. I was reading. Its so nice to read the interviews that are compiled in this because it reminds you of just what a great voice you are on television, and its, you know, pardon me, and i know that youll be uncomfortable doing this, but whats so nice about your interviews is they provide context but not amnesty. They have this incredible ability to bring out the layers of a story, but not to excuse anything elsement and you may just nod if you want. [laughter and applause] i really appreciate it. So whats your. When you approach an interview whats your. Whats your preparation like . Well, first my folks and i try to figure out the difference between the important and the immediate because the immediate is not always the most important. And who can speak to what we think is important . We do a lot of research, a lot of reading, a lot of talking and all of that. You know. [laughter] jon im going to put star by that. I dont think you told friends here about the first interview. Because im a pretty good choice. The first interview in this book is who but you and i having a im9ythats first one. Jon thats what drew my eye to the book. [laughter] well, we started not necessarily with the smartest but with the most. Jon thank you. Thank you. [audience reacts] hes rights. Let me ask you a question. When you say the most important, that seems to be what is missing from todays journalism interviews a sense of Editorial Authority and the courage to exercise it. Well, its your own independent judgment. You have to bring that to bear on your choices. You have to decide this is what i think is good, is what i think is right and then stand by it. You have to document it. You have to prove that your authority is credible that its justified. I learned a lot. I dont follow sports very much, but i learned a lot from the great one of hockey, wayne gretzky. You remember that he said his strategy was always to go where the puck was heading not where it is. He read the game, as somebody said in magnificent way. And thats what we journalists should try to do, try to see where the puck, the news, the events are going. And to be there when it happens so we can put it in context. And when you do that you gain a Certain Authority from being right more often than wrong. Jon do you think journalism is in trouble because its lost that authority, the will to exercise that authority, the ability to exercise that authority . Whats. Where would you say is the biggest lapse that you see . I think were lost in what. I believe it was whitman or thorough called the mere smoke of opinion. The news is about what people want to keep hitting. Everything else is publicity. People dont want to keep their opinions hidden. They want to keep the facts hidden. It takes a lot of money a lot of time, a lot of effort to explore the facts and bring them out. So a lot of news organizations no longer do much reporting. They simply rely on opinion, talk, all of that and that undermines journalism. The other thing is we are abusing ourselves to death. Its all about entertainment today. Jon jon i should just go. [laughter] [applause] you actually entertain . Jon , no not really. Every now and again. The reason youre first in the book is people said why do you have jon stewart on the show. You were first on my show when i came back to pbs in 2007. And i said, well because mark twain wasnt available and hes not. But the truth of the matter is, your people here know that the truth goes down better in a democracy when its in humor, but you do a splendid job of juxtaposing. You dont attack people. You put what they said ten years ago and what they said last night. Thats what Good Journalism is about. Its about comparing. Its not declaring it. Jon well, thats very kind of you. I feel like were not to dye that mans mustache, but thank you for putting us in the same sentence. Were going to take a commercial cheesy bites with new crust flavors flavor pizza huts cheesy bites pizza is back with your choice of 1 of 7 crust flavors, like bbq and ranch. No one has more flavor. Only at pizza hut however you have fun wherever you play build the Johnson Johnson first aid kit thats right for you. Pick any three participating products and get a free first aid bag. Be prepared. And play on. Jon bill moyers. You know, something you said earlier reminded me of one of the interviews we did in a book with susan jacobi. You were talking a lot about the language of keeping things hidden and the language of deception. It seems like the Public Discourse is now the language of deception, and news media, whose job it would be to defog the room, are pretending that they can just not even referee but i dont know, mod rated wouldnt be the right word, narrate. It seems like the news media today just far narrates as opposed to anything else. Theyre narrating their impression. Theyre not reporting about the world. Susan jacobi is one of the most interesting interviews about her because shes the author of a book about people who exercise independent judgment. Theyre the rebels and the protesters. And she talk about what you just said. In fact, i dont like to interview. I admire what politicians dork but i dont like to interview them because their language is designed to conceal. I like to interview people who want the reveal their thinking and i think thats what works with you as well. People want to talk. They will talk. They wont try to put it in that smoke and fog of deception. Politics, newt gingrich, bless his heart, got in trouble on meet the press by speaking the truth. You cant speak the truth on television today because somebody will find a way to turn it against you, and thats why people are very cautious very careful, theyre not willing to engage. Were not even here talking about the words. Both of us are trying to get to the meaning of each of us, trying to get to the meaning behind the words. Thats where the interview becomes a conversation when both of you are trying to be comfortable in exploring. What do you do in that situation . This isding away at me. When you have somebody on there that you want so desperately to engage in that manner. We had Donald Rumsfeld on our show. I can honestly say i believe i lost more sleep over that interview than he probably did over the entire iraq war. [laughter] during the interview though its very early on, and he says, i say to him, so the administration sells us this idea of weapons of mass destruction. If i may, not sold, presented. It was early on. And i just went past it. And that night around 2 00 a. M. Where i do my best work [laughter] i was thinking that was the intercessory view, in the space between our definitions of what they did, sold and presented and how do you accomplish that . How do you find those spaces and can you and how do you let it go . Well most of my guests are not on the show to make news. Theyre on the explain the news, to help understand the news. So theres in game plan there. Theyre not trying to find that edge that will create a headline in tomorrow mornings paper. Theyre really trying to help us put into perspective what we have seen and experienced. You know the worst hour that i ever put on was many years ago with henry kissinger. He was secretary of state. He granted me an interview. All he did [grumbling] [laughter] it was eloquent. [grumbling] i didnt understand a word he was saying. Yes mr. Kissinger. But i already announced it. I had to put it on the airment i vowed after that never to do an hour with any official because theyre always trying to make sure you dont understand what they say even though they use simple words to express it sometimes. What you do is, well, heres my technique, and in 40 years, ive never been called on it. I interview in lech, and then i edit. I make sure that we in the editing get to the essence of what that person really wanted to say. Its matter of judgment, but in 40 years, ive never had anybody come back and say you took me out of context or you didnt get to the essence. They are actually thankful that we have listened in a way that is beyond the words and then edited what is their view of what they would have said if they were as good as it as we are in editing. [laughter] you listen for the meaning, not necessarily for the words. Jon you said it beautifully. Thats the other thing i should write down edit to not take out of context. [laughter] always a pleasure. Jon thank you very much. Bill moirgs. Moyers. His new book is on shelves now. Bill moyers. You know when you book a fabulous vacation cause the photos look amazing . But you get there and find out its far from amazing. Its almost like it was too good to be true. Thats like when you switch wireless carriers, and find yourself stranded with a frustrating less reliable connection. If your network isnt working for you. Come home to verizon and get 10 gigs for 80 a month plus 15 per line. Come home to a better network. 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A lot of people are asking why aim using plastic forks and fives that the pizza parlor gave. Frankly, it was very comfortable, plus this way you can dig the top of the pizza off, youre not just captioned by Media Access Group at wg captioning sponsored by Comedy Central cheers and applause jon welcome. [cheers and applause] jon welcome. My guests tonight are one william oreilly. Tonight is our pant patented whatever it is we do. It will be like thanksgiving with two uncles who didnt really show up. With less than two weeks before election day america thats us. Has resigned it sell through going to the motions of another midterm campaign. And foremost among those motions, debates. A chance for candidates to present and defend their ideas through reasoned articulate discourse. Im just kidding. Candidates will confirm and come back hoping panelists will have a oops moment. You can form a cogent argument. [laughter] or you can stand there quietly and wait for your opponents [bleep] to slip out of his pants. [laughter] as a matter of fact, if4 not for some poorly constructed pantalooms slavery may never have evolved. Paint lincoln. [laughter] the debates are the public of tonights 1240 just try not to Say Something stupid for 90 minutes. [bleep] whats interesting about these midterm debates is republicans and democrats are finally finding some common ground. I do not agree with president obama on his energy policy. I have my disagreements with the president. When you vote with the president 96 of the time, you represent the president s policy. I disagree with the president. Rubber stamp for barack obama i stood you for the president. Barack obama will be down as the worst president. Jon you see. Its common enemy whether its the servants or the self yes or the person we elect to run us. [laughter] in fact. [laughter] Many Republican candidates have sought to show that their democratic opponents were in fact loving obama. In fact, married tocr own and taken his name as the hyphenate. This obama isnt our economy. Jon yes yes. We obamaaiken. The obamaaiken economy which has been struggling dough to stag informant wages, loss of Manufacturing Base and being a little pitchy, doll. A little pitchy. Of course not all democrats are running from obama due to his unpopular policy. Democratic senate