Evolving all the time. I just wanted to start off with olivia. Im just going to go down, if you want to say your names, wt you do and where youre from as far as your organizations. Great. Hello. Thanks so much for having us. Im olivia smith and im a producer with Good Morning America. My team is in new york and ive been with abc news or about four and half years. My name is fernando hurtado, producer at attn as you recognize the logo from your facebook or twitter feed. Im a producer based in los angeles on our digital team headquarters. My name is breanna sacks sad im a reporter with Buzzfeed News and im on the breaking news team. I headquartered in los angeles but buzzfeed is based out of new york. Great. Thank you guys. I just want to start off by this question is kind of for all of you. As a as a journalist what do you think makes a good story . When im looking for a good story i think what i read this . Would that interest me . Just like buying a gift for somebody. Would you buy for yourself . Thats how i find my stories. Also just talking to people. The best stories ive had have been talking to people. On an airplane. Im someone who doesnt enjoy talking to people on airplanes but hes a really good stories. I think just seeing what other people are interested in as well. But its actually just following trends. I think you get that just from experience. I second all of that, especially with trains. Its exciting to be on the beginning so side entrance. The face that with everyone posting pictures of now they look old. I think probably all of us have developed spotting that before gets the bible. But on another note i really, really do enjoy talking to nonprofits and different boards throughout l. A. And throughout the the usni think those people are really, really in tune with constituents and whats going on ever do in the, arthur worried about my payments or insurance premiums or this new clothing trend they saw in their neighborhood. I think thats where you get really awesome and impactful stories. Also i guess like the pull factor, like for me, its kind of the Emotional Experience of people and like what theyre going through. Being in breaking news like we kind of helicopter in a lot of time and swarm thinks an account like to make sure i follow up on stories. Select six months later with National Disasters or things like that, kind of check back in with people and see whats been going on and you find a lot of stories that are undercovered. I think thats where a lot of the need of Good Journalism comes from is circling back when everyone has kind of moved on. Suggest going down, olivia, i dont know, i did know Good Morning America had a whole other lifestyle platform besides the tv show that on every morning. Can you tell me a little bit about that, and what your day today looks like . We Just LaunchedGood Morning America. Com in 2018, so that probably its relatively new. We had a platform before but we relaunched it to be a completely digital brand. I joined, id been at abc news privacy working as a digital reporter for them, and then gma reached out to me as to me to join the team and help launch it. Such a the digital video for them, and without my daytoday really differed. I think traditional outlets a lot of time at one reporter was great and one person should hit but i do everything. I go out, find the story, pitch it, write it, shoot it, edit , post it. Everything. Oftentimes unstinted by myself asking people to shoot for me. Weve all been there. So my daytoday work differs and thats one of the cool things about my job. I want to have different job where every day is different and now the skills that i use also different. Specifically what Good Morning America. Com does is it gives you reporting on the show, we cut show clips and use a lot of our shows, but expand around that and continue telling story for digital platform. We create original media content for the instagram youtube. Thats for facebook, twitter. And you also [inaudible] how did that kind of impact your career . Congratulations, by the way. So that was the first win for abc news digital. It was very exciting. I used to joke i was so certain we were not going to win just because no one i wore my prom dress. Because i didnt have time to find an address, whatever. It was very cool. And i think that a few things came from that. One, any person who is recognized in their career, which is want to keep striving doing better. It made me very happy but i was in the digital area. Privacy ident broadcast and i didnt print and what to digital because i dont watch tv anymore and i dont read newspapers. I get all my content online. That just may maybe to recogni. Also i think a company, abc news when i joined, was investing in digital. So the fact that it paid off and abc news was doing the right thing by investing in it, and it was recognized with very cool. I think thats a big changing point for everyone in the organization. Youre also an adjunct at usc, correct . What are you seeing as far as, assuming youre a student like gen z, so what kind of trains are you saying at stores like their work is concerned . There was a lot of criticism by englander is that they are not engage, theyre not involved in politics. What do you see as the future journalists of our trade, like is that true . I dont think its true. I think that young people, history has gotten critique by older generations. I think thats something that happens, but i think fortune i can say that. I think my students are very smart. I think that they really grasp journalism and a really interested in it. So then its emerging constantly. Constantly. For us i remember new platforms like facebook and twitter. But for now, tick tock and all these other things a calming and there could investing on top of it. Sometimes we style out and turn your phone off. But there are other times i think staying on top of the trend makes me even better journalists. Some of the stories are telling our stories i told them you see being all the time, being report on politics, they are reporting on economics. Theyre out there and really doing good work. Fernando, so attention is a company that is described as media brand that brings entertainment that also informs, which i think is really great. Can you talk about that and watchable in that is . So attention is a fairly new company. Weve been around for i think four and half years now, and it kind of started very much as a Digital Media startup, very much in the news game. Over the years its been really careful and intentional about rebranding itself as a Media Company and not affiliate Media Company. The reason for that is what want to be very respectful of people are doing straight down the line journalism, like abc, cbs news and all the other legacy outlets. I think attention is very transparent about having a point of view. But given that, that gives us even wider breadth to do stories with more social contact lens. What were really proud of is there are certain topics that dont have both sites for us, like Climate Change does not two sites. Climate change is Climate Change and its thing. Equal rights is a thing. Theres no side where a person doesnt deserve equal treatment. I think from a very much news middle of the road background, its been an interesting experience for me to kind of be in that space where you can breathe a little more and hold certain truths to be a little more i mean able, if you will. I mean able im on the digital side of the platform. With a Branded Content Team that works with brands to tell powerful narratives and stories, and among them what we call the original, so we work very much like a like a news operation reaching out to people, looking to people for stories, interviewing people, writing. Like you said we do everything, writing, shooting, editing, color, sound, everything. Even down to distribution. It seems like millennials and gen z is more interest in watching content than reading it now. I was when if you think the future news consumption, broken down to like minutes youd rather than like articles read . I think the video is seen a growth comes huge growth in the past few years but i think they can definitely coexisting. I think on attention we kind of meat the audience who wants to watch them but also some who wants to read be at the end ofe night. Sometimes i want to read come sometimes want to watch video. Sometimes im down for 30 minute documentary. Sometimes i want to read an article over lunch. Something they can coexist. I think they will coexist. Think the near times the scene some of its biggest subscription numbers, which is really good. Ironically enough, you will die produced. I think most of the content, theyre there such a huge opportunity to turn into video. So buzzfeed is i think he became famous from the infamous cat videos. Right. But now in recent years theyve been tackling our news. Why did you want to be a part of that . I didnt have a lot of reporting experience and they said you should apply, do it. I did and they gave me the jobment and one of my first big assignments is, if you can get yourself to the u. S. Virgin islands in the first 24 hours, you can cover the hurricane aftermath. Youve been doing a great job. So, okay. And i just wow. Found myself on a military flight and just went by myself and so they just give you these opportunities. Wow. Because they trust you and i learned as a young reporter, thats very rare, very collaborative environment, and they just give you a lot of autonomy and free rein. And i think one of the cool. Like one of the coolest things theres the pulse of the internet. And the organizations who unfortuna unfortunately drop fake news, that term. Well get into that later. And, but, yeah, weve kind of been watching a lot of these trends as what gets shared. A lot of people are sharing, where is it coming from. And the ramifications of what people are posting and talking about on facebook has on real people in small communities, like across the u. S. And internationally. I think to answer your question why i wanted to work there, it was because of that understanding and collaborative environment. And a great example is the shooting, we like every other news outlet were devastated and that story, and me and another editor there late, we were single and stayed and like if theres anything kind of happening and i saw some stuff on twitter like in mississippi had posted about that the fbi, he had reported the shooter like six months ago. And i was like what . I found this guys Youtube Channel and lo and behold the shooter commented on a video, like im going to be a professional shooter. So i found the guys Facebook Page and like called him up and it was tuesday and he happened to be available and awake and was like, hey, i saw your thing. And the voice mail and the name of the fbi agent who just left his house that day. And the voice mail was like 30 minutes after the shooting ended that they called this guy and he said, like so then i reached out to the fbi. And im talking to a youtuber who said that the shooter reported it to you guys. The next day i woke up two, three hours everywhere and the fbi held a press conference, like, yeah, we missed a tip. So, it was a great example of how like we just need to Pay Attention to whats talked about. And i think, i think whats cool about buzz feed you have a diehard millennial audience. Yes. And youll see like youll see a picture or a meme of donald trump in the oval office and juxtapose a picture of rihanna rolling her eyes. And do you think like that kind of tongue and cheek i mean, like the tone is like different than i would say that we definitely leaned into it, too, recently. Like weve become a bit more of an operation and recalibrating and leaning into that voice, especially politics. Its our Politics Team is very interestingly very nichy and i dont know the stories we publish. Who is this . And recently weve been another democrat dropped out of the race so weve been leaning into kind of the tone of things and it is kind of working, i think, to our favor. I think it brings accessible to news, too. The headlines that are like our jobs do something that is very conversational that you would say to your friend. And theres 23 of them and hes out and thats what were capitalizing on. I mean, part of being a journalist is anyone can answer the question. You cant have a bias, youre reporting the facts. So have you guys ever had to report on a story that youve maybe disagreed with or you know, how do you kind of keep that when youre reporting on something . Well, i was just in alabama for abortion coverage and he think its just understanding, like for me, its that like you dont really know the whole story. You dont know people how people grow up. What they believe in and why. And so, yes, it could have a bias like you have to remind yourself like people are there for a reason and its a lot more complicated than that, so, you know, interviewing these 18yearolds who are protesting outside of an Abortion Clinic in montgomery, i think, and i was asking them like why they were there and what they believed in and they just it was very hard to hear that they like, you know, what their belief is very like conservative and that they believe like, you know, a man they were there because a man told them to be there and if the guy they would stay with him. And as a woman and to hear that, not to have bias, but understand, like, okay, thats what you believe in. Yeah, i think that everyone has a back story. And as far as, were talking a lot about social media. How do you guys separate like having a personal social Media Presence and more of a professional voice . Is there a separation . Are they intermingled . Especially when you produce a piece of content and you want to share it. You know, where is that line . I had an experience that was kind of a wakeup call for me. I had just graduated from college and i was applying for a job, it was a job with nbc, the last call or something, and it was going great and youre great at it, but we noticed, i was going on your twitter and you tweeted something about whitepeople can you explain that . Thinking back, i was tweeting about the white people documentary on mtv and whitepeople and it was like i was tweeting about whitepeople. And i was like oops. And other people are reading my tweets and not just my friends. And i think especially with attention, i think we have may more leeway. Were a very young audience and very conversational, but i think you always have to walk a fine line of making sure that whatever youre tweeting with a story, every, what i tweet, is not revealing, its more on the funny side. I think thats usually the safe way to go, i think as long as youre adding a Little Something to the story in terms of sharing work and then with other stuff im very careful not tweeting i think my first tweet in 2008 i was eating enchiladas, and no one cares about that. I was going to say, i think you guys throughout the social media not as much as gen z, but facebook in high school, and going into that, youre on social media for a large part half of our lives at this point. And i knew i wanted to be a journalist when i was 15. But when youre young and tweting about it, dont think so much before it before getting a job. I think theres a fine line between whats appropriate. I make all of my social media public, and go by the rule am i okay with my mom seeing it and with my boss seeing it and i think that thats important for a journalist, and i think going back to your question before, i think its really important that journalists do not have a bias or opinion in their reporting. I think thats extremely important, we definitely believe it the reporting telling all sides of the story and i think that that also goes into social media, too. What you put out there to the world as well. And how about with the what kind do you face, youre super excited to share a story thats breaking or take on what you have, and its not being seen because it gets buried by the algorithm . How do you think that that is affecting journalism as a whole because all journalism lets get someone from instagram to answer that question. Thats i mean, we suffered greatly from them. But we have a great team, the team i was on, the social media team. They have tons of like when to share things and like key words, tags, so i should be better at like knowing the why behind that because im really lucky to be in a company where we have a whole team like kind of focused on that. And its funny because like a lot of times you dont know why things go viral. We spend so much time trying to figure it out and like one story well have a story about like amazon review on something from 2014 that keeps going viral. Every year its going viral and who is sharing this . You can plan for it, but sometimes things resonate and you dont know why. Lets talk about fake news. Were definitely moving in the fake news era, right . What is it like working in an industry that prides itself on reporting the facts, but is constantly under criticized for doing yeah, i think it makes our job all that more important. We keep asking the questions and do what were hired to do and everyone, you know, everyone has their own opinions at home and we are certain ways. As journalists its our job to go out and report on all sides of the story and covering it. And the truth, and i dont think that thats really debatable. So i was going to say, do you think that people are finding the truth is more amorphous now because theyre just confused by whats happening . I spend a lot of time in basement groups and covered like a son of pep rallies and reporter, speeches and everything and what ive learned is that like people believe that the truth is what they believe and thats it. So facts like people have their own certain set of facts, which you know, they it doesnt you waste energy trying to challenge that. So how i post it is like i just want to know personally how do i change . You kind of take the personal angle in trying to make report on news, you know, can you give me some examples. You said that trump is doing this for your community. Can you give me some examples of how you do that, how has your life changed for the better . Are you making more money . And people buy more houses. When they cant answer those questions then youre kind of like, okay. Or if they did, and there are communities that have really grown and gotten better. Right. And as you know the average consumer content. How do you i think its keeping informed and i think spotting fake news or understanding news is also, its not just a journalist, there are also consumers who. Whats going on. You have to read the news every day, you cant just skim the headlines and think you know the news. And you have to read the story, multiple stories. And also, understanding the sources who is recording this. And do they have a bias . Do they take a side . What is their background . And i think thats a really important thing to understand in order to spot fake news is just staying up on it. And also, a lot of these pages, theyre run by the same people. So, theres a small group, usually of people who will create the pages and load them up and so, if you start kind of noticing trends of, you know, the same people who are liking and participating and massive, massive groups that are sharing articles and like she was saying, a lot of people just read the headlines and then theyll share it and then its totally made up. So a lot of times theyre constantly bothering and theyre like, hi, what is this . And then a lot of the times theyll take that page off, off. But theyre paying attention to the groups and trends and memes and where theyre coming from, its usually very specific group of users. Yeah, yeah, i think visually, too, in the air of the space and doctored images, its getting harder to notice it and i think visually trending yourself. I had one on pit bulls and no one thought it would end the way it did. And pit bull people said of course the story would be biased towards pit bulls because i have a pit bull. I dont have a pit bull. And they showed a picture of me with a pit bull. I like dogs, but i dont care this much. Being careful and training your eyes. Its increasingly scary and people are good with climate people are good with photo shop. And even with Climate Change, and theres a shark swimming through the neighborhood, sort of, and like anywhere in the world its going viral and these things move really, really fast. Fear is a big motivator as fax fake news. And how do you think that its threatening the Overall Institution of journalism . Do you think that people are trusting you less . You know . I think if anything a good amount of people are leaning more towards the sources that they really trust and i think its also forcing us contributors and journalists to show our work. I think it used to be more authoritative, like i say this, i did the work, im telling you that the finished product. I think increasingly more so, the story about medical bills, and they literally outlined the medical bills how they looked at them awe how they deduced the analysis that they did deduce. And treating your reader like a peer is helping, too, and people i think are gravitating towards the sources that are treating them like peers. And its disheartening because were so divided and people are living in camps where theyre getting content and massive blinders on, especially all of these altright sites, like breitbart and when the president tweets something, you can usually trace it to a fox segment which can trace today a breitbart article and you can see how it came to get 500,000 retweets or something. On the flip side, i think that people are starting to question and Pay Attention more, like, i mean, i think like especially for like millennials, like i think theyre much more active and curious and want to know whats going on more than ever before. So i think its its like a Glass Half Full there as well. Some people have actually talked to me about my reporting if they dont trust abc news, for example, and they want to have a conversation and i start explaining how i report a story and that we have a Standards Department that is very strict and also fact check what we say. And we have other reporters who fact check and we fact check and fact check and fact check a million times. And theyre shocked and how do you work . And i think its educating people on how people report. How journalists report. Open it up to the audience in a second. I want to see if everyone, i know, make professional mistakes in the workplace and constantly evolving. Would you be comfortable sharing some mistakes youve made in the past and what youve kind of learned from them . Not to put you on the spot or anything. Well, what youve just learned as a reporter. Yeah, i think like especially as i said, like buzz feed moves so fast im doing it im supposed to talk into the mic. Yeah, so like we move really fast which it can be an asset, but on the flip side it can also be detrimental sometimes. We dont have what abc news has, we dont have someone Fact Checking our stories, we have an editor and a copy editor and then its out. And and in one story when it was moving very quickly we misidentified the shooter and like a kids mom based on what some teens had told us, oh, its that kid in that track and field photo. Okay, that looks like, okay, yeah, six people told us its that kid. So thats something that ive learned is to and especially in breaking news and the rush of trying to be first, to step back and like take a deep breath and question and ask, and have and verify more. Especially now with the pace of news, its more important than ever, yeah. This is one example. When i was reporting for cnn money, i forget what it was about. I want to say it was a sale of flipflops or something kind of silly and i turned in the story and it was published and came back with the town had been wrong. And it turned out that person who edited my story changed it and i didnt catch it. So thats just an example of something that could happen. Multiple people having hands on a story advice i would give to journalist which i was told then after that, when you get your story handed back by the editor read it backwards. I dont get to watch a video backwards, unfortunately, but ive done that ever since and its helpful. And this is more early on, but i think i had too much faith in humanity and everyone was telling the truth honestly because i did a story on sun someone with terminally ill with cancer and why would anybody lie about that. And they were ill and have you confirmed that they are in fact terminally ill. Im not going to ask that theyre terminally ill. We want to make sure that someone else isnt trying to control the narrative of terminally Cancer Patients in america. If your mom says she loves you, do you fact check it or checking it again. Check it again. And the same though and questions from the audience, trish will come around with the mic and if you would like to ask a question, just raise your hand and just make you speak into the mic. Hi, everyone. First of all, thank you so much for doing this panel and for sharing your insights. Im here with my colleague. And im a career advisor and were excite today see excited to see you here. I would love to hear everyones thoughts more about the issue about kind of the lack of diversity, particularly economic and within journalism and on the large cities on the coast. With are do you see the future of that with the decline of local newspapers and how we can work on to bring on a more diverse perspective within national and local news. I think ive met far too many friends, peers who have dropped journalism because they couldnt afford it as a major because all the unpaid internships and we are kind of like i went to school in l. A. And a lot of my friends were going to new york and in those cities. It is hard. Even i myself, i had to make sure i could not afford to work, and paying my jobs to pay tuition and paying my loans ahead of time. And i think, proud of the diversity that we have and i think that sadly or in a good way, it kind of through word of mouth. I think a lot of people who work because they know someone who knows someone. And the median age there is 28. Is he very young. So, i think that the trend that were seeing that kind of our peers are just more have more diverse circles and more Diverse School groups. And i would hope that that kind of helps because then theres also, you know, abj which i try to be very involved with and i think kind of pulling extra weight to make sure that people can afford a career in journal. Were you asking how we can get young journalists into outlets or asking about the decline of coverage or the voice from smaller organizations . Okay. [inaudible] [inaudible] yeah, i mean, for us, especially with like the campaigns and everything and like local, we look to local news with breaking news, all of the time. I think theres a good example was the shooting in maryland, that, you know, that local News Coverage was unparalleled. And we, a lot of times on social media and stuff trying to follow local news in these breaking news situations, and like retweeting them and just like giving them like more of a voice and a platform. Also, when we like go to these cities where like theyre having rallies, we, like i know, try and spend a lot of time like talking to residents there. So, i dont have an answer. I dont know if there is one, to be honest, i think that social media can be beneficial in terms of giving rise to local outlets voices, but you know, at the same time. Sinclair is buying a lot of local News Conference and theres no one really covering that story very well. So i dont really know, to be honest. I think its, like it is helpful at least to Pay Attention to what local news is doing. For example, Like Washington post and West Virginia paper published a massive report on opioids and how they essentially funnel millions of pills into these small communities. So that was an amazing partnership between the Washington Post and a small West Virginia paper Whose Community was totally torn apart by ipo addiction. Yeah, i think that we should be partnering more with local news big outlets. I think that would be something that would be really cool to do. And mentioned this briefly, going off that, i think that attention could be the answer to both. So news organizations paying attention to diversity, how can you help. At abc we have fellowships, paid internships and were in touch with different schools throughout the country who we hire and your second part of the question, how do we cover the entire country instead of the big cities. At abc were lucky we have affiliates from across the country and stringers and reporters from everywhere. I think other companies who dont have that should Pay Attention and start relationships, you know, with other outlets in smaller parts and say, have the pulse on the local news there. I think thats a responsibility up to the organization. And there are that are doing this, like some npr affiliates and theyre actually getting a lot more funding. And pro publica is reporting and theyre hiring reporters in the more underserved voiceless communities. Theyre seeking out people in those spaces, more and more, and getting more funding to do so because the people are getting so freaked out by, you know, how journalism is declining. So hopefully well see more of that. So many questions so each of you touched on how impacts what youre doing, youre doing everything, shooting, writing, all of that on site. You had to find out in 24 hours how to get somewhere. How are you dealing with the lack of resources and investment in an industry that we rely on to help educate people how to be informed about their community, their community, the way things work, their democracy and power and what theyre able to do . What are you experiences resources or lack thereof for your job . I think its important to be hans, what can i handle . And i think that every journalist should know that. If im expected to write the story, shoot it, when is my deadline. Can i make that deadline . If not, i need to move it or get help with it, i think its being honest with your supervisor and your team and lucky in that i trust my team and i have a really great structure and foundation and i can rely on other people to get my back all the time. And im on, hey can you help me with this or that and im lucky that i have this report. I think if you dont, that really could affect your reporting and that could affect the story because if youre expected to do it all and you dont have the support, yeah, the story may not be told right or told inaccurately or you may be missing a part of the story. I think its your duty as a journalist to make sure that you can do the story well if the resources that you have. If you cant, i think you should hold off until you can. Gas station coffee. No, im just kidding, but not really. I think like journalists you just have to expect that youre like operating at 150 for a while and then asking for the time and space after that when you need it. Ive covered all like the past five wildfires, just me. A lot of times im in a rental car, a Toyota Corolla and i roll up and nbc will have like five black suburbans, like lined up with cameras and its me and my cell phone. So i think understanding, like being able to move really fast and a lot of the time paying attention is an amazing resource and trusting yourself. A lot of times you dont need as much as you think you do. This thing has delivered like so much access and resources and you dont so thats, i think like trusting what youre able to do in the field and, he why yes, like, be adaptable. If youre not adaptable as a journalist, its not going to work. As a digital journalist, too, ive also been in the situation with me and my car and your phone and then your car smells like smoke and you smell like smoke for a day. And i would say take an extra phone or charger with you, going out and be prepared. Do i have the food i need. Do i have an extra phone charger, can i borrow someones phone and be aware of what youre getting into. Like being very resourceful and leaning on people who are in the field of residence. A lot of types, i dont know, i think that the biggest thing that everyone has done that together, and like she said, your teammate you dont sleep a lot. Its like everyone is in it together. And while, yes, we would love more resources, i think a lot of times the story comes out better because its a little more raw, lean, more of a hand in it than usual, i think, and, yeah. I would say to your answer about providing coverage, scarce resources, is attention we cant compete with cnn, buzz feed were not going to waste our resources doing redundant work, work thats done by them. Were value added and i had to cover the San Bernardino shooting. Im not going to get the victims as fast as cnn or ap is, let me go focus as a one man bit. I think we have time for one more. Very interesting perspective. How do you feel about the surrounding story you report on and hv to self in the current environment . Ill start. A lot i mean i usually, we get a lot of it. I do reply and i say thank you for your email and have a great day and i get a lot of insane emails. A lot of times that people replay and theyll advise and theyll launch into a longwinded email why they felt this way. So i think that people forget theres a person on the other side of the screen that theyre attacking and so engaging, i try and engage and try and ask questions. Where is this coming from . And that deflates the hate speech. You know, not all the time, but just were not really having conversations so thats kind of something that ive started doing is, you know, being tongue in cheek about it, but a lot of times it opens up a dialog. In terms of the reporting on it. And i think we could be doing a lot more about it, like the whole like cnn airings, the richard yeah, that was like yesterday, right . And that was like a very divisive moment in media cnn giving a huge platform to this White Nationalist and a lot of reporters who cover hate speech will really upset about it, but i think its being very conscien conscientious how youre covering it and it should open up a larger conversation, should we report on it, how . And thats something we havent figured out yet. Goes back to the value added again. And people were inclined to cover things, too, because theyll do well and perform well f youre not adding anything to the narrative, there better be a value added, youre in some way normalizing it and we may be reflecting society and the way it is, but to a certain extent when people see things over and over again, youre a little desensitized to it. I completely agree with that. I think the internet makes it a kind of dangerous place sometimes because it opens up a door for people who might not say those things in public or say those things to your face, but i like the approach of thank you, have a nice day. Usually dont respond, but i might try that. And i think its a very frustrating question because hate speech is normal now. And its like how do you how do you cover that . I think its like remiss it like ignore it and not Pay Attention to it because then it will breed, but also, like yeah, i dont know. Its really hard. More definitely [inaudible] not a word about community newspape newspapers there was a time when a few graduates of Journalism Schools got into elite jobs in media. And media they were talking, in this case, maybe all the journalism students should take up a different profession. My first job was at my local town newspaper. Mine was, too. And i think that was important to learn local reporting and to learn traditional media. That was a big and i went to school for traditional media as well. I didnt get into digital until i joined abc and thats how the trends are going. Yeah, thats the basis of my skills since i was 15 and i think that reporting is extremely, extremely important. And now you have different piers and we report on a National Scale for additional outlets, but many people in my council turn to that newspaper. And media is changing, too, theyre becoming digitized as well. Like, yes, theyre newspapers, but they have home pages, they have social media accounts, we find a ton ever stories from, as you said, community and local news. Theyre very strong. I think like there could be probably more internships and unfortunately, this industry is really screwed up in terms of like how we pay people and thats why its you know, theyre lacking a voice, but theyve adapted as well, you know, if you kind and go and look at their home pages and the way theyre telling and its more like us on a smaller scale. 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