Excited to announce the least best seller list. [cheering and applauding] number 88 on usa today so welcome. Thank you so much. Happy to be here we go. Can you hear me . Can you hear me . No. Sorry about that. That has never happened before. [laughter] its because the tv is here. You can hear me, right . Going to ask a question and i will hand the microphone over so im going to start fascinating workbook and a book and a great exploration of a topic that we are all interested to talk about work tonight but in this book, youre asking white people in the u. S. , like me, to confront the racism outright, you know its an uncomfortable process. Talk about the motive you used specifically to tackle this as a writer. Its interesting because ive been asked this question so many times now and i think if i had known before embarking on this during of doing this kind of work, if i had known what was going to be out of time, i might not necessarily have chosen it. The work i was doing before, i was a life business coach, i wasnt doing anything controversial or you know, anything that would make people uncomfortable. If anything, i was like will take care of you and help you grow your business but in 2017 when the charlottesville rally happened, is a turning moment for me because i remember seeing the images of the men marching in the streets which we can all remember the racial slurs and everything and it was like the light clicked over for me and i had things that had been burning up inside of me for many months about things i was observing and life coaching, spirituality realm, personal growth base, White Supremacy, people like me were the minority, people who looked like the majority of people in this room where the majority. Wanted to know why, why was that . Was it because people like me didnt do this kind of work or will we be excluded . From being seen as the experts, leaders, credible people . So i wrote a letter, an open letter called i need to talk to spiritual white women about White Supremacy and i was addressing things that were brought up within me and asked people in that space to look at you say you want to change the world, heal the world, you say you are about love and light, you say you do not see color but racism is running rampant in this space and we need conversation about it. I got started on that journey through this letter that went very viral so fast forward a year later, one night im just thinking about, what have they learned and that time as we started having this public conversation . I grabbed my phone and i thought what have you learned about White Supremacy . What is White Supremacy . What i have experienced and i listed out dozens of these things, white silence, cultural appropriation, dozens of these problems but i quickly realized wasnt a single post i would share with my community but rather journey so i created this 28 day journal journey and posted it on instagram that we begin tomorrow, 28 days of exploring White Supremacy, sounds fun last month i really thought not many people are going to want to go on this journey because it doesnt sound fun, it sounds uncomfortable and hard. So many said im scared that im in and we started the challenge and i had 19000 instagram followers and by the end of the 28 days, the number had more than doubled. People coming in every single day to do this work so been an incredible journey because it came from a place of the anger and grief from charlottesville and what i was seeing and in the curiosity of what have they learned . So you started this on social media, as he prescribed. I think its a millennial way [laughter] of writing a book. So what made you then want to break that social media experience into a book . Is there anybody in this room who has a instagram challenge . It was an incredible experience because it was, for the first time, people having conversations around their own unconscious thoughts and belief. It had never been before that way. It wasnt a private setting, anybody could come on my page and read what was being said and i knew from day won this is a very special thing happening and i had to Pay Attention and i knew by the end, it had to become a book. There were people watching the challenge were to scared to join in and i knew they wanted to do the work but they were afraid and because of the transformations i had seen any had to go other people were having the conversation. How did that influence you when you went to crate the workbook . The Biggest Surprise to me was that out of nowhere, black women i knew and didnt know showed up to do the work voluntarily and they didnt have to do that. My instinct was to try to protect them, dont look at this, you dont want to read this. Its not nice but they shut up and help me facilitate the work and they collectively have been so integral to me, two of my closest friends here sitting up front who are black women, it is that sisterhood and that working together. I went from the challenge to the workbook, now i was alone. The support they get in the challenge helped me push more as well. There were some voices in there that were like no, cut the bs. Go deeper. It helped a lot. To some extent, this is a book that has, your writing but a communal support behind it. Thats so important because nobody does anything alone. Nobody does anything alone. We get to see the legacy, the body of work, so many incredible writers, some of whom are just everything to me and i am on their shoulders because the work they did was the work that i do. So a big part of the book is this notion of journaling, youre asking people to write and engage with these questions and write their responses. Then my question is, why is it more important for them to write their responses than to just have a conversation with them around these questions or think about it . Why do you want your link to happen . Have two answers to that. The first one, when i first started having conversation about race and i wrote that open letter, it was like the street fight on chosen media every day, this is real, you do do this and it was exhausting, really exhausting. What i found instead of telling, i asked, it flipped things. It made it easier on me and it made them more open to having the conversations and thats one part of it but the other part, if we are just thinking about, if you read the book and think about it, keep things at an intellectual level where process it here but youre not processing it inside so we are talking about racism, its not an intellectual study. People live lives, if there expenses so that has to be matched with a lived embodied expanse of trying to understand your own unconscious beliefs because they dont see the harm in color, they actually harm people of color so its important to put pen to paper, to write out and bring to the surface things that when you consciously think about them or not there immediately. And i agree fully in the power of fighting, things happen and change. In the introduction of the book, you talk about the need to be a good ancestor, can you tell us what that means . Could answer saved my life up to me to be able to sit here and have this conversation with you now in a way i am able to have it. When i talked about, when i first started doing this book and how hard it was, i went from being somebody i guess i was a life coach, is very optimistic, hopeful very positive and when i wrote that letter and began to experience the very nice women who were in my community, suddenly have this reaction of what its like, many white people are not used to having complex conversations around race, when the conversation is brought up, they have a very sometimes violent reaction to it. Defensiveness. They get angry, its getting up and walking away, its saying things they would have ever said, they couldnt even imagine that would come out of the mou mouth. So i went from being that hopeful positive person to a very negative and pessimistic, very helpless because i couldnt see something, if this has been done for the amount of time we know its been done which is inequality for people of color, its been going on for so long and i could read things and think she could have written it today, its the exact same experience today and i needed something bigger than what i was seeing to allow me to continue on the journey because i couldnt do it from a place of resentment and hopelessness so this idea of being a good ancestor went beyond me, it became about my children and my descendents, people who have come after and have gone. I used that, i have it on the cover, i was a podcast because i needed it but its been interesting is so many people have resonated with it for themselves and for people who have White Privilege in particular, what inspires or activates within is this idea that i didnt create White Supremacy that i absolutely benefit from it and people who became for us, they didnt fix it or dismantle it or change it. Perhaps i can do what i can right now to create a different future for those who come after im gone. So its been the thing, selfishly, it was for me but it has helped so many people. Can you tell me or some of the people you feel like the kind of legacy you want to lead . So easy for me before i say the people we all know, the first people are my parents. There living ancestors today and when i got the news of new york times, this was we were arriving here, i called my husband first and then my mom, its 2 00 a. M. There but i looked them up and told them because everything they poured into me makes me who i am today. Everything, the spirituality, the ability to write and speak, everything i get from them, but after, our writers, we sat over there waiting and there is an image there on the wall i opened the book and close it with her words, shes a huge influence for me, audrey as well i mentioned this woman did liberation work in different ways, two of the Science Fiction writers but its been i think 2018 2019 reading through her entire collection if youve read the parable of the settlor, in that book, that character is what inspired me to be a good writer and she documents everything. It reminds me how important were dark. The power of words because they live beyond us, they live beyond us. So you mentioned theres a month worth of content and really is more because you discussed the idea of people being able to walk through it in 28 days but they can easily go back to it but you want them to step through it in the order in which it is in the first time we cant go over all of these concepts tonight and we want you to buy the book and doityourself. [laughter] to the work, as you mentioned, its important for the people to do the work if they want to engage with us so i want to add that i think, as i read through it, hit me so i want you i want to know how you define them and how you want someone like myself to respond so the first one is white silence. The first, ill go out a little bit, the aim of this is for people to understand that White Supremacy conditions and has infiltrated all of us. What racism is, is it just we can all say this is racist, unconscious thoughts and beliefs and behaviors which take as normal or it not that bad then understand that no, those things actually perpetuate what supremacy and or they maintain it in place by their non action. Its a white silence, its one of those things will being silent when you see something racist happening and again, not just talking about somebody calling somebody a racial slur but seeing somebody being mistreated, racially at rest in normal situations and just thinking, is it worth it to say anything . My place to say anything . Does anyone even notice if i say anything choosing to stay silent. Thats actively keeping it in place. Its not mutual, is not mutual behavior to be silent. So im saying earlier, you didnt create it to create rights of policy, nobody alive here created by you maintain it and white silence is one of the ways you maintain it. Through facebook, you see something from someone you knew in high school or you see something from a Family Member and you asked the question, am i event was, we watch protagonist . Something ive noticed thats interesting is it doesnt matter if its a romantic story or not, but theres a romance line, one of the romantic partners is a person of color and the other will not be a person of color unless is seen as a black movie. Right . Unless its seen as a black movie and the audience is black people, but if most of the time, romantic partners are white and that supposed to be a universal story of love we can all relate to. [laughter] so thats what white centering can look like in very subtle ways that doesnt allow people of color to be the center of this story, as always side character, a story thats always marginalized. Then the other one i thought was powerful, the conversation about white savior. Whats interesting about that, i was on a plane recently and the man sitting next to me, we were cheering because nobody had come to sit in the middle. [laughter] so we were like yes hes like he said flying to hear and he said this is my short flight, im going on a longer flight to africa. In my mind, unlike africa is a continent donna country. He said he was going to kenya. Is it cool, dad is canyon. I said what he going to do there . He said im the ceo of this food program, none of that would provide meals and we do it in the u. S. And we have five programs here and we have one in nairobi. So im like, my spidey senses are out because i want to know whats going on and asking and investigating and asking all these questions and this is the basis of the company but also very much faithbased so it was sort of like a Christian Program which is fine but unlike im not going to go deeper into this conversation because we just m met. [laughter] then he asked me what i do and i said well, let me show you [laughter] he took a picture of it and everything. Its this idea, this story, its this idea that white people can have black and brown people from our inherent state of wretchedness, i guess and lower works that can look like missionary projects to black and brown countries but it can also look like trying to speak for black woman when she can be for herself, it can be very subtle. So if we routed back to where this comes from, its that same belief that white people are superior to people of other colors so white savior is and does, it is belief that i know better for them best for them. Because i am white and colonization in the whole idea behind that was to go and save black and brown people. Theres a museum in arizona and at the advancement of the American Indian arts and it was this exhibition upstairs about the boarding schools that need to children were forcibly put in and stripped of their entire identity and police schools. You go through the book and as you 0 go through Different Things each has a different hit and a different amount of weight for individuals. I picked three. Is there anything that you think people need to know about another part that i didnt touch on . I think a big one that many people who a big one that feel like a slap in face is white exceptionalism. I think thats around day six. And [laughter] what white exceptionalism is this idea ive read all the books, done all the programs, watched all the documentaries, repotted the articles. Im one of the goodwood. I already know this. I dont reallied in to go that deeply because let be real, if i wasnt one of the good wind wouldnt have picked up the become in the first place. So, its this conversation, this sort of selfcome congratulatory conversation of i dont need to go that deep and white exceptionalism and its a callout. Its a callout that if you, too it is you, too, and be careful of getting into space of thinking youre one of the good ones because that leads to a sense of what it leads is to you become more harmful to people of color. When member is outright with their racism, i just know to stay away from them. Right. Stay away from them. I if somebody is like im one over the beguns, you can be safe with me, and they havent examined what is actually going on underneath the surface and cause harm in a way they didnt even realize thats more pain follow experience. More painful. You werent expecting it because they created the sense theyre safe to be around, and then you went and told them something that you experienced that was racist and they Say Something back to you like, you know what, ive experienced that as well and so maybe it is isnt racism. Maybe its Something Else and you realize they didnt see you. They dont understand. Theyre not listening. I have a couple more questions to ask. If you have a question you want to write down and pass it to the side, after i ask a couple more well jump into the questions. So, now, your heritage personally, east african, arab, british, black, muslim and you live in the middle east now. Yes. So, what kind of perspective to these identities and experience bring to your writing . Its so interesting. This process of doing this work externally has helped me so much in owning all of who i am. I grew up in wales, been in wales and had welching a accident the beginning of my ing a scent in the beginning of my life. Thankfully got gown. I grew up as a black muslim girl in a predominant my white spice going to redominantly Roman Catholic skills and always aware from the very beginning, my mom has a recording of me when i was three years old and so i was listening to is recently and im singing note welcome baby jesus and my mom said you used to sing it all the time. A nursery room. You used 0 to sing it all the time. Ive always been aware of my difference because i would good to cool and and pray how you pray at school, our father, who art in heaven, right . Comment the i would come home and we pray in an entirely different way, and it was hard because i had no other person to share that experience with, and the story i made up in my mind about all of that was, i dont fit in, and who i am isnt acceptable, and who i am is something i should be ashamed of. Because it isnt the mainstream. And so doing this work, helping others to do this work, has meant i have to do my work, and opening all of who i am and learning to love all of who i am, and so what i think i bring to this conversation is, im able tokingle between two pick privilege perfects, a western conscious new and nonwestern consciousness. I cook i can zoom in and zoom out and why that it important, although were here in the United States at the american racist museum and having this american conversation its important to remember that whims not an american thing. Its a global phenomenon. White supremacy has touched so of the world through different ways. Shows up differently in Different Countries and different spaces and places. But its all White Supremacy and i think having those different perfects of growing up perspective, i lived in tanzania for a portion of my life and my mom is from there and my father from kenya, thats countries were touched by the colonialization and by the british and they were living in the middle east and say even when white come here theyre treated as superior to people of other races. Im trying to not take a political stance, country specific stance but help people to understand this is a thing that many of us are conditioned into, and its about changing from the insideout. Raising that consciousness and changing from the insideout. Then the last question ill ask you, who are some writers who are important to you in the process of forming your thoughts on this and then putting this together . Who are writers who influenced you. The same as the sisters. Octavia butler, audrey lord. I was the Chicago Public library yesterday and when i was in the green room there, there were images of other writers, alice walker and my presented, lisa renee holmes. She does antiracism and unconscious pieas work and also uses a process of reflective journaling to help people get interest the core. And theyre amazing brilliant people who have passed transitioned and people who live today who are living an sissters and all of ancestors and they imprint on you. Im going to ask one more along the vein. You mentionedbell hooks, october care ya butler and the differences, the essayist and the scholar versus the Science Fiction writer. Which do you think has more impact on making people thing . I cant talk for women but i can talk for me and for me i need all of it. Tony more morrison and Octavia Butler and audrey bell. I held in the poets, lucille and the nickie jo. I need them all because im a human being who processes things in maintain different kinds of ways and i need knowledge but i also need heart, and fiction and nonfiction and poetry impacts us in different ways where it builds up this it builds this very nuanced and vertex toured way of very texturessed way of understanding what White Supremacy chills not its not just, no pun intended, black and white. Its not just racist or not racist. Its how does racism and White Supremacy impact us in different ways from the feeling to the thinking to the feeling everything. I need it all of it. Seem going to ask a couple of questions from the audience. Its surprising this one, make mess laugh because im one of those. Is it surprising that there are very few men in this room . Being one of the few men in the room. Whats interesting in the personal growth, personal Development Space tends to be majority women, too, and i think women tend to lean towards introspection and selfreflection in a different way than men do. I think everybody is agreeing. That is not meant as an insult. Its reflected in what we see in those spaces. Theres a secondary question here which is do you see more resistance to acknowledging complicity in White Supremacy from white men versus white men. Within White Supremacy the world is made for a very specific type of person and that person is white, male, gender, heterosexual. Thats who is supposed to ultimately benefit. And the more you deviate from that box, the more prescient, discrimination, marginalizeddation you experience. And when you benefit from something, why do the work when you have to lose those benefits. I think thats where the resistance comes from. Dont think its a ma live lefthand. Nobody likes losing something they can like have and thats where the resist stance comes this is a question from someone in the room who is a white teacher, teaching in a school, i think theyre saying primarily africanamerican students and latin is there is a way to avoid at the pitfalls of White Saviorism. The very first place to start is to do work like this, regardless whether its my work, my book, or somebody elses but really examining what am i bringing into that space . What am i bringing into the space im not even aware of . How am i viewing these children in ways that is harmful to them . That im not aware of . Consciously we all athletic believe were we all like to believe were good people and we like to keep that definition of real good simple. We dont want to look at the other parts of our ourselves. A human tendency. When you go into paces like that and coming in with White Privilege and unexamined white unshoess beliefs you dont know ways it could be doing harm. I was in demeanor i cant remember which city. Ive been in many stutzman but a certain city and the security person with me was a black man, and so when we finished the talk we were driving back to hotel and i said did you enjoy the talk and he said i did. When you were talking i ender so many things that happened and i remember being in school and constantly being told, youre disadvantaged, youre disadvantaged and just couldnt tabling it anymore and i dropped out of school. I dropped out of school. And so i dont know what the intention of those people who kept telling him that was, but the impact was that it caused his life to go in an entirely different direction than he might have consciously wanted. And so its important to examine what are you bringing into that space. So, with increased White Supremacists ideologies, present in classrooms, were anotherrologies presented in classrooms by people who use language in antiracist work, how do we change strategies for confronting this . I dont understand that. Im going to try that again. With increased white supremacist ideologies present in the classrooms,. What does that mean . Im not sure. But lets good on. Im sorry of i misunderstood you question and my eyesight isnt what it should be. What if anything did you learn or were most surprised to discover but White Supremacy during the initial instagram challenge . I would say that how sneaky it can be. How sneaky it can be, what it can really look like in practice that people just by being president. Ed to examine were able to uncover within themselves. One particular day stands out to me, the day we did on what have you learn about you and black women which was the hardest day for obvious reasons and one day of the challenge i did cry because it was that hard. Remember one of things written was that a white woman said, i went to the doctor and was surprised when the doctor came out and they were black woman. Because they just werent expecting it. In their mind black women dont hold not that smart, i guess, do not are not able to occupy that kind of a space, and it was only because we have been doing the work for a number of days now that she was able to recall that memory. She said that was my first thought and then i immediately knew that was wrong and replaced it with a Second Thought, which was, its completely i dont see color. It was interesting in observing what people were writing was how sneaky it is. Theres always a first thought and that you recognize thats not right, cant be one of the racists. Met replace i with a Second Thought that matches up with the publish i think i am with the thought i think i have. And so that sneakyiness and then the question, the second question i how hey of have you scaled to the program to meet the intersection of race and misogyny. Black women. The day we look at that and misogyny, the intersection of experiences sexism and antiblackness at the same time. Women of collar, specially black women mr. Not the standard and heterosexual always face the most oppression, and i encourage people in the work when theyre looking at these days. When you think but a woman just dont think of a woman whys straight and gendered. Think pout other intersection as well and how does that modify how you treat them. This question, which i actually know the answer to from going through the book but you can answer it. No, you answer it. Is the book meant to be a solitary journey. When i did the instagram challenge it was very much but individual selfreflection, and when we finished the challenge, and i announced i was going to write a book i kept getting requests about i want to do this work with my family, take this into work in a group. Can you include instruction on huh to do that . So we did i did just that in beth the workbook and the hard cover book. There was an appendix in it that tells you how to do it a me who whims book circle called the circle way. The circle way is a book written by psychiatrist teen. Baldwin and they gave me permission to include their an expert from their book and their tag line is is a leader in every chair. One of the most important things for me in choosing a process how to do this to n a group was not other could ree recreate White Supremacy paradigms, hierarchies and that can happen when theres a lead who is more woke, knows more and can tell the other white people what to do. Didnt want to do that. Wanted people to understand this is lifelong work. You will be uncovering explore more on this journey and have a circle process where everybody is responsible for doing the work, nobody is more ahead than another and everybody is responsible for making sure were all on the journey, and so i clue include an extensive appendix. And i want to say theres a lot of value of doing it in a group. Doing it individually is great and some people process things better by themselves but the value of doing it in a group is you stay accountable to the process. Dont clock out at day three and realize what the journey is and thing this is too hard. And you get to see that youre not the only one who has these unconscious thoughts and beliefs. Other people do, too. People you respect, people you like. And so it doesnt say as this personal thing that you feel shame about. Where you feel like its only me and im such a bad person for believing this. You start seeing that people in your life also feel that way and goes from the personal thing to a collective thing. Another question are here which you address in the book but its something that is how the work may change with a nonwhite audience who have White Privilege. Example, white passing arabs, all kind you talk about that. Early on in the become before you get to the 28 days i define who the work is for and i i dont say its for white people. Say its for people who have White Privilege which is very worthy and if i could have written throughout the book, white people, white people, but i keep saying people with White Privilege because you can be a person of color or biracial and pass as white or is seen as white or can be mistaken for white if they dont know more about you, and i include a kind of asterisk to that, if you fit in there because the process for those people is very different to those who are just white. Its complicated. I had a did an event in washington, dc. I remembered. Washington, dc. And i talked about this and after the talk a Palestinian Woman take to talk to me and said im glad you said that it because myself and my family have been pretty much doing that, passing as white, and where we can get away with it well do it because that is easier than having to deal with being seen as palestinians. But what is has meant is we have had to sacrifice parts of of uses. Had to subdue parts of our culture and our heritage in order to fit into the becomes of whiteness, and are so people who fit into that, who have White Privilege but are not white, it is complex and nuanced because you have to look at how have i had unconscious racist thoughts and beliefs and harmed other people of color and how have i been on the receiving end of racism and not addressed it, allowed it to happen in order to continue to receive White Privilege. We had an author here yesterday, a younge adult author and he told the story of his being a young man and acting which he did early on in his career before he became a write and being told by a casting agent, you should change your name. You should pass as white because he could. Right. And just how painful that was, and so it is something that has definitely out there and a choice that people sometimes make, as you said. Feel like they have to make. Yes, because it will be easier for them if theyre developed it would be easier should sacrifice who they are. Another question is, your thoughts on navigating the line between White Saviorism and using privilege for good or dismantling i always get asked this question. How do i know if im using my privilege versus am i being a white savior . Okay. Sorry to break it to you, there is no checklist. There is in perfect way to do anything, especially in this work, and sometimes you will get it wrong. You will absolutely get it wrong. What is important is to keep developing this skill which this work teaches you, which is critical selfexamination. The more aware you are of your up conscious racist thoughts and beliefs, the less harm you will do. The more aware, the less harm you will do, and so if youre someone who is going how to this work and get in the day on white savior. You and you realize you have a long history and pattern of trying to save people of color, its probably a tendency for me and i should probably question when i do that. Then the other part is, instead of swooping in to save the day, ask questions. Ask questions. Ask if youre needed. If youre needed, how . Ask the people of color to whom youre trying to be an allyship with or to, ask them what they need . We know what we need. Like i said earlier i dont snead somebody to speak for me. Know how to speak. I might need you to when im being racially agreesed i might say, can you talk to them . Bus im done. If i asked you youre not saving me because i asked you. But if you assume and you just step in, then maybe youre saving me because maybe i was fine. And this is a good one. How would this conversation be different if you were being interviewed by a black woman . You note what is really funny, speaking to somebody yesterday and i said this is going to be my first interview with a white man. Because nearly every interview i have done on this tour has been with a black woman, bar one, has been with a black woman. Absolutely changes things but it doesnt change me. It doesnt change me. Am might change the dynamic but doesnt change me bulls part of my personal antiracism work has been to learn how to not bend and fold myself for the white gaze. So i stay true in myself as a black woman and i trust that you can handle it. Im doing my best. So, i was just handed this one and then have one more. Great questions, bill the way. Really good. As a recovering wellmeaning white woman, in quotes, who is recognized past harms, what are your thoughts on reaching out and sending a letter to make amends to black people who you hey have harmed. My gut says, no but i believe in the power of taking responsibility or account ability. Unless youre my best friend, who harms me and i write in the become as a best friend who was white, and did do this and i chose to end the friendship because she just couldnt show up for me, unless youre that person in my life, i dont need a letter from you. We had a personality relationship. I would appreciate if you reach out to me. But if you realize one day im laughing because i get all the time, my work help you real as the thing i diwas racist do you think i should no, they dont remember. And they dent care and you coming back to them now will just annoy them apologies they had to get over it in the moment when it happened and who are you doing it for . Ill leave that in there. Im going to ask you onemer who is thought was a good one to end on, and then i would with this question asked, basically throughout this very uncomfortable process of engagement, and what you have done with this and what you worked through on this, what still gives you hope . My children. My children. Because thats who i do this for. I do it for layla, the little girl, who always grew up feeling alone and other, and my children, who deserve to police in a world where they live in a world where they are treated with the their full humanity and dignity no matter where they set too. Theyre the ones that give me hope because theyre beautiful, theyre amazing, they everything and they are the ones who give me hope. Thats great. I want to thank you and like to ask you all to thank layla for coming out. [applause] i hope you had a wonderful time. Get a copy of the book. Theyre already signed. Thank you very much. Thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] binge watch booktv this summer. Saturday evening at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, set until and watch several hours of your favorite authors. Tonight, were featuring twotime pull winner, David Mccullough and next saturday we feature, the founder 0 the national review, william flint. Buckley. Binge watch book all summer on cspan. Pull. Makan strain director argue at they majorout of americans are better off than our current political key baits make it seem. Heres a portion of that event. Im not trying to diminish or to sugar coat for to ignore any of the real problem wed face. Instead im trying be accurate but the broad picture of the american experience, how American Life is experienced by typical people, but most people in most circumstances. Think were focusing so much on pockets of real struggle that we are confusing those pockets of struggle for the common experience facing people, and i think the American People keep hearing that their experience is the same as the experience of people in places who are really suffering and really struggling. I dont want to deny that suffering or that struggle. Do want to say those are atypical situations and that the common experiences that much more positive than the narrative suggests. To watch the Program Visit our website, booktv. Org. Search for michael strain or the title of his book the American Dream is not dead using the search box at the top of the page. I want to welcome everyone to this zoom chat featuring Richard Haass, its a virtual meeting, and please note the audio and transcription of the call will be poweed on the cfr website. As you know if you are home at cfr, Richard Haass wears many hats. That of veteran diplomat, of ambassador, of professor, u. S. 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