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Buckeye broadband along with the Silicon Valley support cspan 2 as a Public Service. Sure of we have the great plee of presenting a conversation with the josh sabin josh sabin is a veteran Media Executive and author and the pasion of mc networks. He is credited with some of my great favorite jokes. Carter was building some of televisions most iconic shows. Including mad man, breaking bats, portlandia, killing a leave. Okay, listen. My husband bingewatch killing eve. I dont know, for way too long. It was like crazy. I almost got him a therapist but it was good. It was really good. He also oversaw the spinoff of amc network from cable vision to become a publicly traded company on nasdaq. Most recently, he published the third act of books that celebrates aging in all its accomplishments and grace, and tonight he is selling all these books outside. And donating the proceeds to the green space. So, after the program if youve not purchased a book then please go and get a signed copy. Hell be signing copies. And giving us this money, which we need to support journalism in media that sparks change. Ladies and gentlemen, join me in welcoming the incredible josh sabin. Thank you guys offer coming. And thanks to christina. She is you are what is up here. Its actually pretty remarkable, i think. The creation and the audacious innovation that she and her group debut is really quite remarkable. Theres nothing like it done anywhere that i know of. Kate, jennifer sandro, amber wright were together. And theyre responsible for the crazy and wild and restricted stuff that occurs here, but i think carson was nowhere else. Theres a crew from cspan here recording this for book tv. So thank you for coming down. And i thank especially for helping me put all this together. There is no presents a w and y c whose name is lafontaine oliver. He is just a spectacular human being. And he joins rather race until a and Everybody Knows that when there is a human in the house illuminates everybody it just spreads interested in motivation and in trade and the desire to do more and that is lafontaine. So thank you for being the new guy in town. Its really thrilled to have you. So, christina mentioned what we will do tonight. Were having three new yorkers who have has, i dont know if i should give this away. Who are having a real positive impact on new york city in their multiple acts. I mean i will introduce them individually if i may. And then have a conversation. So ill start with a woman named hope parly. She worked as verizon forwards activates. She was a career corporate career citizen. And she grew up in brooklyn. And likes brooklyn museum. And she did not like that the bronx was the only brother did not have a museum. So she is indefatigable and set out to open the rocks children museum. It began just with a sketch and paper and there was a touring bus. Finally she read about this big article at the times, a few months ago, the childrens presumably in the south bronx. 13,000 square feet. That really does look magnificent. She sort of willed it into existence. I just want to say this, by the way. Well, limiting. On okay. But so, i have been a talking about this book. Doing all the stuff. So, she and i were on the tv show together. We do the whole thing and go back to the green room. God, that woman is awfully good on television. You now . I work on tv, and i thought, there is a bit of a ringer. Hope, you seem extraordinarily comfortable on television. How do you get that way . When i retired from verizon i took acting classes. She and i are the executive aide so i was counting. I was putting her in her 60s. So shes doing now summer stop every summer. I went home and told us to my wife and she said, youre on the commercial heavy rotation. Its the amtrak spot. So, hopefully as a third, fourth, and fifth act and i would like to ask her to come out. Oh parlay. So on if you guys know the name of david rothenberger. Yeah. I think new york legend. This is a wild story. He would say theatrical agents. And broadway producer. And was associated with the original production of hair. And then Richard Burton and hamlet. And some 200 other plays. Pretty much acting to you. This is such a cool story. He then did a play by a man named john herberg who had been incarcerated. And wrote a play afterwards. And it was called the fortune in mans eyes. And it was about people who were previously imprisoned. And that play moved from a play, a piece of fiction, into the founding of george davis leadership. 55 years ago to the Fortune Society. If you do not know what the Fortune Society is, for some of the oldest mentioned something about. It provides a housing as range of services for many women who were previously incarcerated. It was introduced to by my friend the director who is here. Went to the castle the facility. I was blown away and then through the good officers of ashley although i began to know the queens facility and there is a man here named leonard tao. I have to say it. Im so thrilled to see him. By the, way hes in the. Book it is over there. And among a few other things that glenn does at, extraordinary work where people who are in prison with moms who have earned cars we have kids outside of prison, with theater programming in prison, it will go on too long. Dave a, what we can show and w a b, i given his written. Books david has written short stories right now. I would like to welcome david raffensperger. Joe logano played their way to go to college or Georgetown University and then went to harbor, and after graduating he worked on wall street. And corporate form and finance where we met and i came to know joe into admire his skill. And next to admire his ethics. It is hard to track his career. In many acts in Public Service. He was deputy mayor of new york. He was head of the mca. I think two times. He weighs his current work is as a vice dean. And ceo of nyu at hospitals. Not to mention that he ran for republican mares. This is an interesting amazing factoid. Which was endorsed by every daily newspaper in new york. Including new york times. I dont know if youll recognize joe but there is a documentary Rudy Giuliani that ive seen several times. When 9 11 happens, theyre on the front of the first thing we said was 9 11 is give me load up. Because joe is the man really running the city. Joe wisely quotes on the new york city subway than elevate some of the subway for hurricane sandy. And he was affectionately it goes to shows wonderful sense of humor, he embraced it, known as the rats are because he was a guy to get read a rats and new york. You cannot beat that man. Welcome, joe. I have some questions for these esteemed panelists. Im gonna start with a question for everyone. This is sort of about a third act in a little bit about new york. Thank you very much. And you know it is a question about what you do into it with your lives. When you change your lives. And what makes you want to change your life. Do something different. Each of you working private enterprise horizon theater. Wall street. And then, went to work in Public Service. Thats a bit of a big change. Its generally lower compensated. A bit. I would just like to ask, if you dont mind, consistent on my mind, what made zero make a decision to do what you did in your case with the museums . In my case it is no compensation. Because although i do a lot of work with the museums, i did as a volunteer. It was not i never held those staff divisions. I serve on the board. And i was president for a number of years. And it was not a conscious decision. I had gotten involved with the ideas of the museums, even before i left horizon because it was sparked. I got involved because it was part of my work. I was an external affairs, and i managed to the philanthropy budget, which included the bronx and its. Supporting organizations in these brocks. I was invited to a meeting about creating the Childrens Museum in the rocks. It was kind of a Work Activity and then when i got involved and when i retire, they automatically said a, now you are tired. We had to create a board to get a 501 c 3 . You will be the president. Okay. I didnt know what that meant. No ive actually paid money to do this. I really have. Reversed compensation. But a been paid 1 million tons over. Im just overwhelmed. With what we have created. They will outlive me. Wonderful. David. I have a theater office, and the play was after a performance of the play that i said, we have the nucleus of an organization. A lot of formerly incarcerated people were coming after performances. And my office was my theater office. Guys ridden times were hanging out there. As it grow, because he was so great, i often said i like drama more than i like the other. And i want to go with fortunes. I had to bet there was two pairs at once. One was paying me, and the other wasnt. And for three years, fortune to sunday was a volunteer organization. The need was so great and add a happy that we were the only game in town. You are a civilian observer . Which is not part of these are preparations. Finding yourself in the art was all fortune grammatically because the need was overwhelming. I never stopped at one point, so this is what im going to do. Can i ask, you because you can ask whatever you what. I was gonna ask you your Favorite Sports Team of alltime, was that it would hold off on that. My favorite what . Sports team of alltime. Giants, 50 wants beats the Bobby Thompson hit a home run off around i asked him that question because i dont follow baseball to 1962 and i remember Bobby Richardson was the second baseman. Get ready for, this in 1962. And he said, you may doctor Bobby Richards . I, said what are you talking about . He indicated doctor he after is a baseball player. I think it knows that. A dangerous man rutherford is a dangerous man, stay way for him. Let us ask, here because ive been to fortune now at the castle, with ashley in queens. It is no small little thing. Its huge. Its huge. I walk through that im overwhelmed. Its incredible. If i may, how you watch people reclaim their lines before your right. Theres nothing more exciting. But so, joe, you are like 15 years in corporate finance. You went to Harvard Business school that means you can make a lot of money. Private enterprise with me. So we swirled the hallways and thats where you leave money around. Suddenly you are in full of Public Service. So, josh it goes back to when i was a little kid. I was out there would be about the private sector and the Public Sector. Like him as an eightyearold, you thought private sector Public Sector . Flores that had a job another. When my father was a cop, writer my one grandfather was a firefighter, the other one was a new york city driver. It was all in the concept of Public Service or some sort or another. And in the process of it i always thought that i would be doing something to help the city of new york. So it has been my blood, and in my dna. I also believe this timelines on, as you mention i went to harvard, i went to Harvard Business school. I believe in the revolving door. A lot of people dont. Between the government in the private sector. Neither one of them understand each other. And i really believe that the more that the government understands their private sector and the more that the private sector understands how the government operates then the better off the country is going to be. Because there is a whole lot when theyre in conflict with each other and it is unnecessary. So you now, i have enjoyed the ability to able to go back and forth and yes its during a period of time making money during a period of time not making so much money. And my wife issues here, she would explain how that happened. And so, yeah i think it is important. But i do think that is all part of this American Dream where youve got to give something back. How wonderful. I cant help it, ask joe. Between deputy merrick perry and during 11 when you really were on the grounds, and a central person arguably. And the mca which seems to be quasiimpossible as a task, where have you found the greatest satisfaction in Public Service . You now, they are both quite unique. I seem to be a magnet for disaster. So whenever these things tend to happen, including pandemics like being in the hospital or happens. I think the greater satisfaction i guess it is just seeing a job done, and being done right. I think thats the storm sandy was by far, i think, the thing that was the best. In that most people tend to forget this, but you mentioned in the introduction, the subway we were able to get to the subway system out of the way of the water. He came into the Lower Manhattan. You said back there, the subways of the way the water . A couple of things. We all knew the water was coming out and we all knew that we need to protect the system as much as possible and we took the switches and Lower Manhattan hours. One of the time. But on the last train. But took the switches are basically the control mechanism. So you know where the trains are. It helps speed at sattre. But im on the last train. And then took the trains and put them on higher ground. Either put them in the bronx away from the water to be as high as possible, or in queenss highs possible. When the water came in, as you remembered see the pictures, it flooded Lower Manhattan. Once we got the water out you put the switches back in. And turned it on. Remember the most people happen on tuesday. The subway system is back up and running on thursday. The city of new york is a miracle how things operate here. But if you plan accordingly, i can work. By the way, there is one other part of that story, which i think is critically important. And it says something about how the embassy operates. The person who told me how to do that was a union worker. We had a table top exercise as to what would happen if there was Something Like sandy would happen. And they wanted to come up. Because we knew with Climate Change inevitably was going to happen. We went to a and the first one there was no union member at the table. I was only white shirt, managements there. They said basically, guys who was gonna do the work . We have labor here at the table. And management did not like that but we eventually had another table talk. And in a process of is one of these labor guys, a union member, a member of the local 100, basically shaking his head saying if we cannot take the switches out that we are not gonna get the system back up and running for the 6 to 7 months. The reality was he described to me exactly what needs to happen. If we went down to a station you showed me exactly what happened, and we followed it stepbystep. When he did what he said. And the system came back up and running. You listen to the guy. It is quite a story. Can i ask you guys because were talking 33rd of new york and protect new york. Civil orientation and civic, sorry, orientation. Im just going to ask you, because it feels of interest. What do you think ill stay this way. Do you think the parties of new york are what would be at the top of your todo list if you are mayor bud . Any of us . Reintroduce after School Programs in the schools would be my first thing it hasnt we talked about. But i think that after School Programs. A lot of the young people i mates have did not had what i had in school which was things that got you involved cares because nobody gets excited about geometry in biology. Well, not many. But if you stare at school because of some of the singing and the programs that after school and then education has a floor impact. You can go on with Affordable Housing and all that. Well i said since i now live in new jersey, although i was born and raised in brooklyn and lived in lived in my hometown. We went to tina high school. I think they won. I wasnt born yet. I was. So was i. But josh asked us this question in the back and im answering as an ex patriots, so to speak. But, coming here today we are writing down fourth avenue. I still call the west side highway. West side highway, 12th avenue. You see all these, building things have been we tear down everything old in a city we dont respect anything older historical or anything like that. And then we so invested interest here. And we put up an exit and say always something going in that corner and its as residential. And its like who is gonna live . Theyre who will afford it . It just seems to me that what makes a city a city is diversity and especially manhattan and i know brooklyn as well, is becoming everything. It is becoming unaffordable. So youre going to have rich people and nothing against being retch but we not only the nicest. Jane jacobs, who is one of our great heroes say you can keep the neighborhoods, dont lose the she said the neighborhoods, thats the heart and the post of the city. Joshua this makes this a difficult question for me. Is that you asked what you do get 25 of the vote so a little bit more than 20 . But not much more. In any event. I thought it was a pretty good question. I have the republicans were gonna. At the, time a republican. But things change. In any event. But mers have been mayors. My answer to my questions gonna be a bit longer the little bit more complicated. But they have deputy mayors and we all wondered what Intelligent Media mayer does. Heres what i would have them do. You have five deputy mayors new joint is going to need to have five different projects that they need to be working on. Some of those projects will be done in days, some will be done in the week. Some are done over six months to a year. Each one will be working on some strategy where it is either gonna be working on housing already working on jobs and creating new jobs. After School Programs. All the protect things. And not being done, people are gonna need to know about it. Reporters need to know about, it publicly to know about. You know the direction is going in. Theres gonna be some projects that are going to be important to me. Things i care about, whether it is a cleanliness of the city which i think is important and i think the city since the pandemic continues to get dirty and theres no reason for it. This is a beautiful city and it needs to stay beautiful. And the people need to find a way to maintain it. Jobs are important. The creation of jobs. Without the draw obsession with the housing, the ability to know as crime is reduced, then people start all the sudden people start to be able to move to all different parts of the city. You get the gentrification and then people who lived in those communities were moving out. The problem is the need to create jobs. Thats an important part of it as well. The other thing is theyre going back to the fta of a subway system that is very manhattan centric. Guess what . Hes no longer manhattan centric. The city lives in the bronx. It lives in brooklyn. Thats where the activity actually is. You ask anybody moves to new york now coming out of college or moving back to new york, where do they look . Theyre not looking to live in manhattan, they want to live in brooklyn. That is the hardest part of the city. And so thats where you need to put the focus on. And allow the city to sprinkle the seas necessary to allow it to continue to grow. Thats what all governors have done in the city. Make it grow. So when you run again . Where is my wife. You want to run again . We all have dreams. They can come true. They can. Its true. Stay on new york if i may, just for fun. I dont know quite how to frame this but are there which new yorkers of our era, they can be living or deceased, but in our era which new yorkers of notes you admire . When you think of new yorkers leaving the city. Over of lead the city well . I said jane giokos. Before she was one of my great heroes. Also david jenkins. But you want the opposite end of the spectrum . Sure. Roy cohen and robert moses. Robert moses definitely at the bottom. Definitely. And dave it thinking you are still call my mare even though he passed on. But he was a man of elegance and grace. And he was classy. He was really a class act. And i think that you know, i think that he is right to please everyone. And you cant please everyone off the time but i think that he was a good person at heart and he was go to the city. Yeah. You, carrie . Governor in the seven days, who i think all there are a lot of parts of hugh carry the people i think ours we are. Coloring his hair and having girlfriends on things like that. He individually put together a team that say the city of new york. Fiscal crisis, allowing to become head of the emptier who is able to clean up the subway system and put it back on track again with the Municipal Assistance Corporation to get us back on track. Hes only select all these people and gave them the opportunity to put the city back on track. The financial control board all those things while he was governor and he had the vision of the belief in a good kid, good kid from brooklyn who understood that the city had all of the raw potential to become what they like to become. I know that the carey family yesterday, it would be his birthday. Hes one of the most forgotten people in new york. Just the opposite of roy cohen and robert moses. Can i ask a question . What happens to rudy . I honestly dont know. You are there. No you arent either. I dont know exactly. Why. Two different types, two different people. The person who i knew as mayor and the person who i see now on television are really two different people. They dont seem to be and i honestly dont. No im not saying touch with them to know exactly what happens. Obviously a, something has clearly changed. How we react to know the fbi and things of that nature. I dont respect. Yeah. So, you are three people worthy of admiration. Three people who really did take you can call them organic but there are sharp turns. Transitions that were pretty dramatic in terms of starting here and doing that, even though you may have been invited both from your job david, you came upon incarceration through a script or play. Joe, you said there were people moving between it. I guess if it is of interest what else would you ask for people in the middle to late middle age who are considering doing something very different with their lives . I think it is not so easy even though youve all done it. Maybe dont need to be in later middle age. But, how do you deal with that . How do you make that manifest . That is a tough question. I think that staying involved and engaged and pursuing your interests and you just never know what is going to be presented to you. I did not grow up with the goal of helping to create a childrens medium. Even at the time when i was doing it, of course, that was our goal. It wasnt like this lifelong yearning, this is what i want to do with my life. It found me. This vision found me and then i couldnt leave it. I couldnt leave it until it was done. I still havent left it. Its never going to be done. I always say it is the thing i am the most proud of my life, other than my children. It is because it dawned on me when we opened, when we opened officially, last year, but the year before when the space was almost completely and i realize that long after i am gone, this entity is going to be there. That is overwhelming. It wasnt something that i decided. It was something that found me. I was open to it. It found something in me that i could not give out. I will tell people, the opened everything. Just try. You never know. I wasnt qualified, nobody is qualified, hundreds of people working together to make this a reality. Its like i said, be open. Be curious. Try new things. Can i ask you a question . That sounds right. I understand that you are introduced to a third job but then you whatever age you were when you started taking acting classes. Now, that was a passion. I had wanted to be an actor since i was a child. If someone asked me, say, you now but you did it the. You did it later, much later. By the way, it makes it all the more, if i may, you say the other one was organic and found you. But acting didnt find you. Some undone common task for the amtrak spot. My son, actually. My son is responsible for it. He had a dream at one point of being a screenwriter. He found a class, and the Frederick Douglass Community Art center. Its on 96th street. Upper west side. He found the class there and to take a screenwriting classes. He called me and he said, i just signed up for the screenwriting classes. They have acting classes there. You keep saying you want to be an actor. Lana you do something . How long ago was this . This was years ago. Or so i kind of took the deer. I started taking classes there and i love the. I really love to. I took classes there for i two classes with the same acting teacher, if you ever see this, im showing you out. A wonderful actor herself. And a wonderful teacher. And there for five other things that you started that you didnt pursue . Well, i dont want to write a book. You know. Write a play. I started writing a play. I dont know if that will ever get down. I have a wonderful partner in my husband who is also a very creative person. I call him a serial hobbyist. I have anything that he gets interested in, he dives deep into that. Then, how move on to the next thing. Right . It is wonderful being around a person like that. Everything is there, you know . Try anything. Whats next. David, how about you . What . The same question what . I look, i dont know. A broad response for something. I dont give advice to people. I can tell you what i did. Maybe you can pick something from that. Everybodys background, ingredients, their dna so different. It would be presumptuous for me to say, this is what you ought to do. I retired i was working on a play with laura buckhall. That can make anyone retire. That was waiting in the wings. And i wanted to stay involved with the fortunes society. I started with helen page, who had been my successor, she said, come in run with the teenagers. That was the biggest challenge. That was very exciting. I wrote a book about my life. Its called the fortune in my eyes. It is Still Available on amazon. Then council opened and i do the play. I coauthored the play, and direct to the, with the florida people. That was, kind of, exciting. And i swam every morning. When it gets me going for the day. Thats when six mornings a week. I dont say that glibly. I think it is very important. It is the discipline to get up. 6 00 every morning im out the y and i swam. If i can continue that discipline, i will have the energy to do other things. Today i wrote a short story. Do you mind telling us what is it about. What happened. You wrote a short start today. Just boom he sat down. Ive been Walking Around for days ive written several during the pandemic and wrote a lot earlier stories. Gave them to my agent. She says there is no market for short stories. I started reading it on the radio calling it, stories for which there is no market. [laughter] i read one last week. And doing it for his or call me and said this story. I met with my original editor. I looked at the story. Only have 16 that may not be enough. You can do some other stories. We walked around for a bit. When i write i walk around forced. I walk in sit down and long hand because that machine that you will use, their computer, is my enemy. Your robber gum lane, he writes on the books. Yeah, i saw the movie. Exactly. I dont know if that helps anybody but it helps me. Chicken shoes, you now. I think people should talk to other people about what theyve done. Find out what applies to them. Of course, i cant presume to go to someone and say, this is what i did. Therefore, you should do it. Joe, im not gonna ask you what you should tell someone else. But everyone to say. The enemy, the computer . There is something to be said for that saying. Because the amount of time we are spending because of social media which is preventing us to do the other things that allow us to take acting classes. Or, allow us to start writing. There is only, for whatever reason, those who are religious or not religious, excuse what im about to say, god only gave us 24 hours in a day. It has been that way for quite a long period of time. If we start filling it up with twitter and all these social media things, it is going to prevent us from being creative. It is going to prevent us from doing what we need to do. It is a problem. We need to be able to figure it out. We need to be able to get up at six in the morning and go swimming and do Something Like that. So we can get our creative juices going. Not doing that, we are going to become something i want young people walking down the street. I am not for incarceration except for your reading your phone while walking up the subway steps. Just, life imprisonment. [laughter] when they walk down the streets and reading their phone, they are missing whats going on. The people, the dogs, the children all around you. But joy you can get. I stopped all dogs on the street in china. I have lived in new york my entire life. I still walk around like a tourist. I do too. Two different neighborhoods. There is a lot to see. It changes everything your day. If youve got your face on the phones can pass you by. I, he sought before and you wondered what it was, my iphone. I have one. Smash it. [laughter]. You have to limit their in. He really have limited if we are gonna grow other society. On the last living american without a cell phone. Seriously . You have a rotary phone at home . Yes. You dont have a cell phone . No. And in turn a fortune said, had a way rishi. It said, i dont have a cell phone. Oh she said what she was a phone number. She said, i dont have one. She said, how do you messages . I get home, there is another machine. She looked at me, i think she thought i was on the cutting edge of a new wave. She said i could hear going back and one of those while you were out had . And you remember those. He has boxes of them. All right. You are a fun humans i thought i would ask the question, which is, what you like least about new york and best about new york . Dont think about it too carefully. Hope, youre a very careful person. Im a very what person . Careful. Okay. There are people who question that. Joe, you can answer the question. How can think about. I can answer it. A, good. The other. Is that the least of the best . Thats the best, and food. Food before theater. Food after theater. Food with no theater. Theater. Im also walker. I love walk around in the neighborhoods. When did this happen to the bauer, eu known . It changed. It is a very exciting city. It is always changing. Not always for the best. I will tell you, after moving out of the city to the suburbs, you know . Suburban new jersey, whatever. Its not that far, you can actually walk to. If you can cross the bridge. It is a nice long walk. It is overwhelming to come into the city, certain parts of the city, sometimes. When you come from there. Tina eric is not a little quiet hamlet, you know . There are a lot of people there. A lot of cars. I and everything else. It is overwhelming, sometimes. You come into the city. Where are all these people coming from . They are just attacking me. I love the city. I do. The most exciting thing, to me, is when you are flying in from someplace. You see here on the plane and you look at the skyline. Coming up with the brits, look at that. It is so beautiful. I never get tired of. Its the one constant love of my life. I never get tired of the city. Its an endless joy. Oh, its not on my hate moves but coming across the bridge and seeing the skyline of new york is that makes you feel absolutely gray. You know . One thing that, lately, drives me crazy in new york of people driving their buying the wrong way on a oneway street. Not an ally. Ive seen people do her motorbikes . It happens on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is completely unacceptable. No bias regrowth. Seriously. It is terrible. It is illegal. But, you know . I keep writing to my councilman about ticketing. And we have about ten minutes left. I thought i would ask if anyone had any comments . Please, yes, question . I worked with you back in the early 80s at showtime. Yes there you are. How are you . I want to say, as i approach my third chapter right now im listening, rereading and listening on audible to the powerbroker. I would say that, right now, it is so illuminating to me that whole story of robert moses, but told through the eyes of robert caro who he is still on whose fifth act writing about Lyndon Johnson my question is, about the powerbroker, how many of you on the panel have even thought about that story . Or, relisten to it on audible . You mentioned jane jacob, i see the city in completely different outlook now you, you know . Every bridge, every road, every new housing project, et cetera. Any winning comment on the powerbroker . Well, what he did to the south bronx is without conscience i think. I read the book years ago. Moses, he had a vision but it was hes not thinking through. I dont know if he was inherently evil but i think that the results of many of the choices he made, thank god that they stopped it the three way through Greenwich Village you want. It south bronx is divided on the bronx for divided and i think that yeah. But it isnt existential example of absolute power. The fact that there was no accountability from him to anyone, you might know more about that. When you talk about absolute power. But remember robert moses was the parks commissioner. Where was the mayor and where was the governor and why did they do their job . Were not weak people. Were passing like roosevelt and who are you and what are they doing and why do they let him do what he did it . He lost all his power. With Nelson Rockefeller. Honestly, and john. Lindsay the heel that was made understand what happens, it is quite an interesting literally on vacation of the countr deal was made that the was the core of his power was ripped away. Given to the empty a, and thats how the empty it was created. And for that, the subway system was taken away from new york city. Withdrawn lindsays permission because lindsay did not have the money to maintain the subway system. Thats the whole thing was put together. By the time moses came back he did not have a job. He had nothing you can do about it and it was Nelson Rockefeller withdrawn lindsay was able to get thats done. But has dont he was out of town. Finally somebody said enough of this. We can deal with it. They sent him out of town earlier, should have. I think they did not sell funds. Somebody wouldve called him up. Good point. I do not raise the powerbroker but ive seen the effects of his work in the bronx especially. Because i lived in the bronx for a number of years. And even in conjunction with the museum, the placement of the museum, where were we going to put this museum that would be accessible to the majority of people who lived in the rocks . Really there is no place, there is no place that we couldve put that building that everybody in the bronx would equally be able to reach it. We have to make a compromise and you spacing with city owned and it was because of the divide. They that is ebay never raise existence. Who is ever driven on it. But you know, even now. We had a big Purple Museum bass. One of the reasons for it was that we could travel to parts of the borough that people know the south bronx quality brock. So theyre gonna get there through. Exactly, there was no way. You think of mothers and strollers three or four kids. Its impossible. So, you see the impact of its decades later. Did somebody have a comment . People are looking when you take the microphone if you dont mind . To address that issue theyre talking about putting it on their ground. And reuniting in the bronx, i can talk to this. You have the same thing in brooklyn in the kabul hills, in the garden areas where they be hueys just broke out. And all of that. When they cross rocks expressway it was built, its just one big you, instead of making it a tunnel or a promenade on top where you can actually have grass going along that, the decision was made not to do that because you have to build air ships. And will be more expensive to do that. That was an absolute mistake not to do that. You could build the way they have in boston where they dont the big thing, to come forward to do. It the highways underground and it has parkland on top. You can easily be done, although it does take time and money. But in the long run the quality would be a lot better, in the bronx would be much different place. You would not have on either side of the cross reference last, lay it was burned down. The picture of i guess it was mare with president carter looking at these burned out buildings. At the time and it was remember they had the big counts to have the impression they would probably windows make it look like i think we are time for just about 8 00 and have time for one more question for or a comment if there is anyone in the room but, yes. Plays can i ask one about the second half of oh. Now i know is probably with a pain, when you are ahead of it but why is this subway not going down second avenue. I have been reading a lot about how connections have been made to connect them up with the other subway lines. But instead theyre going uptown. Do you know . I do know the answer. The first part has been built its been 60s up to nine days up to 96 straight and part b that was part part it will go 225th straight. Part c will go from the 60s down to 34th straight and then after that it will go from 34th street and rebuild all the way down to the lori sidon terminated a wall street area right around the square. That was the decision. Why was drawn like that . See charlie wrangle. Good. How to stay sure congressman wrangle who i know very well, as the chairman of ways and means at the time, had the strength and the money and all the more reason why. When you control the money, you can control what is a and b and whats seeing what city. And thats really what it was. It will get built and it will go down south, but that was the priority of the order. The second thing, it is very important part is being built now, the tunnel was partially built already. So it is easy to continue building it. There was certainly built their, some are on a certain world where they started to build the second subway. This thing has been gone even before you were born. They started building it. And i, ask since were on severe questions and im gonna give you a name. I am man who came to 4chan, for whom i have great affection, name darius mccollum, he was the case that went on the subways and he drove them all over. And he has added aspergers. And they continued to lock him up, and he is a very gentle soul. And i said to him, why dont you get a job with the fta . And they, said i embarrassed him. Because he was 14 and he got turned drove all over the city. You may, remember he would end up writing musicals. And he is still institutionalized. And ive often said this young man didnt hear anybody. He took a bus one day and it was not hayes. And he gave a tour of people all over the city. But he was so sweet. And i have met, in my two tours of duty there, i have met numerous young men who are on various different parts of the spectrum. We know more about the subway system and the people who work he known drive a truck. They just love the system and they know everything about it. He had an ankle bracelet and he cannot ride the subway when i knew him. He had an ankle bracelet. When it gets to that level i was doing it for our guys in the taking of the on that note im going to say, 1 to 3 has to be raised on other needs to be a third taking. I want to thank all of you so much, and hope and david and showing christina, chair of the board who makes everything happen. And never says a word and of course, my pleasure has been my treat to be here. Thank you. If you are enjoying book tv sign up for a newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive a schedule about coming programs, author discovered in discussions, but festivals and. 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