No, its more than that. Comcast is powering with Community Centers so students from low income families cant get the tools they neeto be ready for anything. Comcast, a lot with these Television Companies support cspan two as a Public Service. We have the great pleasure of presenting a conversation with josh saipan. Josh statement is a federal media negative and author and passed ceo of amc network credited with building some of televisions most iconic shows, including mad men, breaking bad, portlandia, killing eight. Okay, listen, my husband binge watched killing a. I dont know, for what you long. It was like crazy. I almost got him i therapist, but it was really good. He also oversaw the spinoff of amc network from cable vision to become a publicly traded company of nasdaq. Most recently, he published the third cups, a book that celebrates aging in all its accomplishments and grace and nights he is selling all these books outside and hes donating the proceeds to the green space. After the program, if you have not purchased a book, please go and get a signed copy. He will be signing copies and giving us this money, which we need to support journalism and media that sparked change. Please join me in welcoming the incredible josh saipan. [applause] thank you for coming out. Thanks to christina. She is you heard whats up here. Its pretty remarkable, i think. The curation at the sort of audacious innovation that she and her group to is really quite remarkable. I think there is nothing done like it in a borough that i know of. Kate slush under, jennifer center, amber wright worked together and they are responsible for the crazy wild iris from stuff. It occurs here that i think chris and where else. Theres a crew from the spin here recording this for book tv. So thank you for coming down and i think ethan elam especially for help and put all this together. And there is a new president at w and y c whose name is lafontaine oliver. He is just a spectacular [inaudible] heat you in front of recently and everyone knows when there is a human in the house that illuminates everybody. It just spreads more interest and motivation and intrigue and it desire to do more and that is lafontaine. So thank you for being the new guy in town its great to have you here. So kristen mentioned what well do tonight. Were havent three new yorkers who have had. I think i should get this away. Having a real positive impact on new york city in their multiple acts. Im going to introduce them individually, ill start with a woman named hope harley. She worked at verizon for decades. She was a career, corporate career citizen. She grew up in brooklyn and lacked the parkland museum. She didnt like that the bronx was the only borough they didnt have a museum. So shes indefatigable and set out to open the bronx Childrens Museum and began just with a sketch on paper and then the war veteran bus and then finally, i dont know if you write about its and the times a few months ago, the bronx Childrens Museum opened and the south bronx. 13,000 square feet. It looks magnificent. She sort of build it into existence. Just amazing. [applause] i just want to say. By the way, hang on, wait a minute. Okay, so, ive been out talking about this book and doing all the stuff. She and i were on a tv show together. We do the whole thing, we go back to the green room, i thought, that womans awfully good on television. And i work on tv and i thought she seemed like a bit of a ringer. And i said, hope, you seem extraordinarily comfortable on television. How did you get that way . And she said, well when i retired from verizon, i took acting classes. She and i are the exact same age, i was counting. That would put her in her says these. So shes doing now summer stop every summer. I went home and told this to my wife. She said, yeah, shes on that commercial on hit rotation. The amtrak spot. So hope harley is a third, fourth, and fifth act. I would like to ask her to come out. Hope harley. [applause] so i dont i dont know if you guys know that name david rothenberger. I think new york legend. This is a wild story. He was a theatrical agent and a probe a producer and was associated with the original production of here. And then Richard Burden and hamlet and some 200 other plays. This is just such a cool story. He then did a play by a man named john herbert, who had been incarcerated and wrote a play off towards. It was cold he fortune in mens eyes. It was about people who were previously imprisoned. That play moved from a play, a piece of fiction, to the founding under davids leadership 55 years ago to the fortune society. If you dont know what the fortunate side is, for some of you, i want to mention two things about it. Fortune provides housing and average of services per men and women who were previously incarcerated. I was introduced to it by gordon adelstein, my friend who is here. We went to the castle, the facility and harlem. I was blown away. And then through the good offices of ashley auto, i began to know the queens facility. Theres a man here named leonard tao, i just have to say it, im so thrilled to see. He is and the book. He is over there. [applause] among other few other things lend does, extraordinary work with people who are in prison and with moms who have who are incarcerated and have kids out of prison, and with theater programming in prison. I wont go on too long. Dave it has a weekly show on wpa i. David has written books. David is running short stories. Id like to welcome david rosenberg. [applause] joseph lhota pave the way for his family to go to college. He worked on corporate finance, thats where we met. I came to admire his skill and particularly his ethics. It is hard to track, his career, in many acts in Public Service. He was deputy mayor of new york. He was head of the amity a, i think, two times. He is currently working as the vice dean and see all all of nyu langone hospital. Not to mention he ran for republican mayor. This is an interesting and amazing facts. He was endorsed by every daily newspaper in new york, including the new york times. So i dont know if youll recognize joe, but this documentary on Rudy Giuliani that ive seen several times. And when 9 11 happened, Rudy Giuliani is on the phone. The first thing he says is 9 11 is occurring, get me lhota, because joe was really the met running this city. And joe wisely closed the new york city subway and then elevated some of the how subway for hurricane sandy. He was affectionately, it goes to show his wonderful sense of humor, he embraced it, because he was the guy to get rid of rats in new york. You cannot beat that man. So welcome joe. [applause] all right so i have i have some questions for this esteemed panel. Also up the question for everyone. This is a little bit about the third act and a little bit about new york. Thank you so much. Its a question about what makes you want to change your life. Each of you worked in private enterprise, verizon, theater, wall street. And then went to work in Public Service. Tightknit bit of a big change. It is generally lower compensated, a bit. But i would like to ask, its been on my mind. What made you what was it liked to make the decision to do what you did in your case . Well, and my case, it is no compensation. Because i do a lot of work for the museum, i do it as a volunteer. I never held a staff position. I serve on the boards and was board president for a number of years. It wasnt a conscious decision. I had gotten involved with the idea of the museum even before i left verizon because it was part i had gotten involved because it was part of my work. I was an external affairs. I manage the philanthropy budgets that included the bronx. Supporting organizations and the bronx. And i was invited to a meeting about creating a Childrens Museum in the bronx. So it was kind of a work activity. Then when i got involved and when i retired, they automatically say it, oh now youre retired. So we have to create a board, we are getting our 501 pay three. Youll be the president. Okay. I didnt know what that meant. Ive actually paid money to do this. I really have. It is coal reversed competition. Its reversed. But ive been paid 1 million times over. Im just overwhelmed with what weve created. And the effect that creation will outlive may, certainly. Thats wonderful. David . I never fortuna society evolved. I had a theater office. The play was after a performance of the plants and said, we have the nucleus of an organization because a lot of formerly incarcerated people or coming after performances. And so my office was my theater office. And guys who had done time were hanging out there. And as it, krutikas the need was so great, i often sit on it like a drama more than i like theater. I object to go with fortune. I head there was a period when i had to courage at once. One was paying me and the other wasnt. And for three years, fortunate society was a volunteer organization. Martin it was so great. Etiquette happens. We were the only game in town. You are a civilian observer one of the observers that went into the year of doing that. Which is not part of the theater preparation. [laughter] finding yourself in the yard at etiquette was all part of it. Fortune grow dramatically because the need for so underwhelming. It was never this is what were going to do. It evolved. Can i ask you because you can ask me whatever you want. I was going to ask you for your Favorite Sports Team fulltime was. The giants, 51, beat the dodgers. Poppy thompson hit a home run. I asked him that question because i didnt follow baseball i remember Bobby Richardson was the second baseman, he said dr. Bob richardson he became a doctor after he was a baseball player. Any kid knows that. Dangerous man. David rothenberg is a dangerous man. Stay away from him. Ive been too fortunate now at the castle with gordon. And with ashley in queens. It is no small little thing. It is huge. It is huge. And i woke through there and im overwhelmed. It is incredible. It is incredible. If i may watch people reclaim their lives before your very eyes. There is nothing more exciting. Okay, so, joe. You are like 15 years in corporate finance. You went to harvard pick school. T private enterpyou work and pre with me. We spoke to hallways, there was a lot of money around. Then suddenly you are in full on Public Service. Josh, because back to when i was really a little kid. I always thought i would be in both the private sector and the public sector. As an eightyearold . Youthful private sector . I always thought of have a job in either one. My father was a cop, my one grandfather was a firefighter, the other one was a new York City Taxi driver. It was all and the concept of Public Service, of some sort or another. And in the process of it, i always thought i would be doing something to help the city of new york. It has been, and my blood and dna. I also believe as time went on, as you mentioned, i want to hover it. I went to Harvard Business school. I actually believe in the revolving door. A lot of people dont. Between the government and the private sector. Either one of them understand each other. And i really believe that, the more the government understands the private sector, and the more the Profit Center understands how the government operates, the better off the country is going to be. Because a whole lot where if they are in conflict with each other, it is unnecessary. Ive enjoyed the ability to be able to go back and forth. Yes, during a period of time, making money, and during a period of time, not making so much money. My wife is here, she explains how that happens. So i think its important. But i do think, it is all part of the american dream. Youve got to give something back. How wonderful. I cant help but ask, between deputy mayor during 9 11 or he really wore on the ground and the essential person are currently, or a central person. And the empty, which seems to be a quasiimpossible task. Where have you found the greatest satisfaction in Public Service . There are both quite unique. I seem to be a magnet for disaster. Whenever things tend to happen, including the pandemic, being in a hospital i think the satisfaction, the greatest satisfaction is seen a job done and be in don rights. I think the storm, sandy, was by far the thing that was the best in that most people tend to forget this, but you mentioned it in the introduction. The subways, we were able to get the subway system outs of the way of the water that came into the Lower Manhattan. You said that back there, the subway system out of the way of the water . A couple of things. We all knew the water was coming. We knew we needed to protect the system as much as possible. We took the switches and Lower Manhattan out, one at a time, put them on the last train. Tech, then put them on the last train. Took the switches the control mechanism, so you know what the trends are. It helped with the speed, is that era. Put him on the last train and then took the trains, put them on higher ground. Put them in the bronx, away from the water, is high up as possible, or in queens. When the water came in, you remember the pictures, flooded Lower Manhattan. Once we got the water out, we put the switches back in and turned it on. Most people remember, it happened on a tuesday. The subway system was backed up and running on thursday. The city of new york is a Miracle Health and support here. But if you plan accordingly, it can work. [applause] amazing, by the way, by the by the way, one of report of a story that is critically important. It says something about healthy aim to a operates. The person who told me how to do that was a union worker. We had a tabletop exercise as to what would happen if it was Something Like sandy. And the war to come up. Because we knew climate change, inevitably this was going to heaven. We did this table top exercise. The very first one we had, there was no union embers at the table. All what shorts, management. I basically said, guys, who is going to do the work . We need to have labor here at the table. Management didnt like that. But we eventually had another tabletop exercise and in the process of it, one of these labor guys, a union member, a member of the local 100 basically it was shaking his head saying if we dont take the switches out, were not going to get the system back up and running for a six or seven months. The reality was, he described to me exactly what in a trap and if we went down to a station. He showed me how to do it. We followed it stepbystep. We did what he said. And because of him, the system came back up again. Youve got to listen to the guys on the straight. That is quite a story. Can i ask, because were talking through text, and new york. Civil orientations, sorry civic orientations. Im just going to ask you, because it feels of interest. What do you think ill say it this way. Do you think the priorities of new york, if you were the mayor, what would be at the top of your todo list . [laughter] after a school, i would reintroduce after School Programs and this goes. That will be my first. Affordable housing, i think after after School Programs, a lot of the young people i mates did not have what i had in school which was things like you getting involved in care. Nobody gets involved about geometry or biology. Not many. It used to iran skull because of some of these singing and the programs that after school. Education then has a fuller impact. Yeah. You can go on with affordable housing. I said, now that i live in new jersey, i was born and raised in brooklyn and she loves and my hometown. He went to t neck high school. Class of 51. I wasnt born yets [laughter] i was. [laughter] so was i. [laughter] josh asked this question in the back. So im answering as an ex patriot, so to speak. But coming here today, we are writing down fourth avenue. I still call it the west side highway. You see all these buildings. We carrigan everything old in this city, we dont respect anything or a historical or things like that. So, theres a vested interest here. Something going on that corner, its his residential, i think whos going to live there . Or who can afford . It it seems to me that what makes a city a citys diversity. Especially manhattan. I know brooklyn, as well, is becoming, everything is becoming unaffordable. Youre going to have just rich people and, you know, nothing against be rich but, you know, they are not always the nicest. [laughter] change a cubs, one of our heroes say keep the neighborhood. More. In any event, i thought those are pretty good. So i thought were at the time a things change. At any rate, mayors of deputy mayors. My answer is gonna be a little longer and more complicated. We all wonder what in the the deputy mayors to. You have five deputy mayors, each one is going to need to have five different projects that they need to be working on. Some of those projects will be done in a day, some were done in a week, over six months to a year, each one of them working on a strategy thats either going to be working on housing or creating jobs after School Programs, all types of things and not being done in secret. People are going to need to know about it. The reporters need to know about. It the public needs to know. We know the direction its going in. Theyre going to be some projects important to me. Things i care about, whether its cleanliness of the city, which i think is important. I think the city since the pandemic, is continuing to get dirty and theres no reason for it. This is a beautiful city. It needs to stay beautiful. And the people, we need to find a way to maintain it. Jobs are important, the creation of jobs. Without the jobs, with the housing, the ability to, as crime reduced and then people started, all of a sudden people started to be able to move into all different other parts of the city, you get to the gentrification and then people who live in those committees were moving out. Problem is, you need to create jobs, and thats the important part of it as well, and the other thing, going back to the emptier, we now have a sub subway system thats very manhattan centric. Guess what, the city is no longer manhattan centric. The city lives in the bronx. He lives in brooklyn. Thats where the activity is. Everyone who moves to new york coming out of college or moving back to new york. Theyre not looking to live in manhattan. They want to live in brooklyn. Thats the hottest part of the city. [laughter] thats where you need to put the focus on and allow the city to sprinkle the city to sprinkle the seeds necessary to let it grow. Thats all good mayors have done. Where is my wife . [laughter] we all have dreams. Dreams come true. Dreams can come true. So just stay in new york if i can, for fun, and i dont know quite how to frame this, but which new yorkers, they could be living or deceased, but which new yorkers of note do you admire when you think of new yorkers who leave the city well, or who have led the city well . I said jane jacobs before. She was one of my great heroes. Also david incans. You want the opposite end of the spectrum . Roy cohn and robert moses. [laughter] robert moses, definitely at the bottom. And david jenkins, who i still call my mayor even though he has passed on. But he was a man of elegance and grace and he was classy. He was classy. Really a class act. I think that he tried to please everyone and you cant please everyone all the time because i think he was a good person at heart and i think he was good for the city. You, carrie . A governor in the 70s who i think, a lot of parts people think it was weird, coloring is, here having girlfriends and things like that, but he individually put together a team that saved the city of new york. Really . The fiscal crisis, allowing ravage to become head of the t. A. , who was able to clean up the subway system and put it back on track again. Felix rhoden with the Municipal Assistance Corporation to get us back on track. He was the one who selected all these people, gave them the opportunity to put the city back on track. The financial control board, all of those things were developed while he was governor and had the vision and the belief. He was a good kid from brooklyn who understood that the city had all the raw potential to become what he allowed it to become. I know the family really a. Yesterday wouldve been his birthday. Hes one of the most forgotten people in new york. Just the opposite of cohn and robert can i ask a question . What happened to rudy . [laughter] i honestly dont. No you are there. [laughter] i dont know, exactly why. Two different types, two different people. The person who i knew as mayor and the person who i see now on television are really two different people. They dont seem to be what happened . I honestly dont know. I have not stayed in touch with him to know exactly what happened. But obviously something has clearly changed. How he reacts to the fbi and things that hes not. Its [laughter] out of respect, yeah. [laughter] so you are three people worthy of admiration and three people who really did take, you could call them organic but theyre sort of short termed, transitions that were pretty dramatic in terms of starting here and doing that, even though you may have been invited from your job, hope, and david came upon incarceration through a script or a play, and joe, you said there are people who move between it, i guess, if it is of interest, i would ask, what advice would you give to people who are in late middle age who are considering doing something very different with their lives . Because i think its not so easy, even though you have all done it. Maybe they dont have to be in late middle age. How do you deal with that . And what do you reflect on, and how do you make it manifest . Wow. Thats a tough question. I think that staying involved and engaged in pursuing your interest, because you can never know whats going to be presented to you. I did not go up with the goal of helping to create a Childrens Museum. Even at the time, when i was doing it, of course that was our goal. But it wasnt like a lifelong yearning, this is what i want to do with my life. It found me. This vision found me and then i couldnt leave it. I couldnt leave it until it was done. I still havent laughed it. Its never going to be done. But i always say that it is the thing that i am most proud of in my life other than my children. It is. Because it dawned on me, when we opened, we opened officially last year, yes, but the year before, when the space was almost complete and i realized that long after im gone this entity is going to be there. And that is overwhelming. It wasnt something that i decided. It wasnt something that it was something that found me and i was open to it and it found something in may that i could not give up. And so i would say to people, to be open to everything. To try. You just never know. I wasnt qualified. Nobody is qualified. Hundreds of people Work Together to make this a reality. But, yeah. Just be open and curious. And try new things. Hope, can i just ask you a question . That sounds right, and i understand you were introduced to it in your job, but whatever age you were when you started to take acting classes . That was a passion. I had wanted to be an actress since i was a child. If someone had asked me, say, in high school you did it, though. You did. It later, much later. But by the way, if i may, you said the other one was sort of organic and it found you but it didnt find you. They asked you for the amtrak spot. My son is responsible for it. My son has had a dream at one point of being a screenwriter. He found a class. It was at the Frederick DouglassCommunity Art center, on 96th street, on the west side. He found the class there to take a screenwriting class. He called me and he said, i just signed up with the screen writing class. They have acting classes there, as well. You keep saying you want to be an actor. Why dont you do something . How long ago is this . This was 20 years ago or so. And i finally took the deer. I started taking classes there. And i loved it. I really loved it. And i took classes there with the same teacher. Shes a wonderful actor herself and a wonderful teacher. Another four or five other things that you started and you didnt pursue the are not telling us about, hope . I still want to write a book. Or right apply. I started writing apply. I dont know if that will ever get done. I have a wonderful partner in my husband who is also a very creative person and i call him a serial hobbyist because everything he gets interested in he dives deep into that. Then hell move on to the next phase. But its wonderful being around a person like that because everything is there. We could try anything. Lets do that. So david, how about you . What . I dont give advice to people. I can tell you what i did. If you can pick something from that. But everybodys background and ingredients is so different that it would be provided presumptuous of me to say this is what you should do. But i retired, i was working on a play with lauren bacall, that could make anyone retire. [laughter] i was waiting in the wings and i returned and i wanted to stay involved with the fortunes society and i started admitted by successor as ceo said come and run a group of the teenagers. Thats the biggest challenge. And that was very exciting. Then i wrote a book about my life. Its called the fortune and size. The fortune in my eyes. Thats my title. Its Still Available on amazon, and the castle opened and we did a play and i coauthored the play and directed it with the florida people, and that was kind of exciting. And i swear by everybody. And that gets me going for the day. I swim six mornings a week. I dont see that globally. I think its very important. Its the discipline that i get up and its oclock every morning im at the y and ice because if i can continue that discipline, then i will have the energy to do other things. Today i wrote a short story. Do you mind just telling us . You wrote a short story today. I didnt sit down and write it. Ive been Walking Around for days. Ive written several. During the pandemic i wrote a lot of stories, gave them to my age and she said theres no market for it. So i started reading them on the radio calling it stories for which there is no market. [laughter] and i read one last week, and earnings professor called me and said this story, and so i called my original editor and he said he would look at the story. But i only had 16 that may not be enough. So he said i have to have some other stories. I watch around for a couple of days. When i write i walk around first and i know what im gonna write and then i sit down and write it in long hand. Because that machine that you all use, the computer, is my enemy. So you and robert gottlieb, writes all those books. I saw the movie. You saw the movie. Right. Thank you. I dont know if it helps anybody, but it helps me. So a pick and choose. I think people should talk to other people about what they have done and find out what applies to them. Because i cant presume to go up to someone and say this is what i did and therefore you should do it. All right, joe, so im not going to ask you what you should tell someone else. Whatever you want to say, yes, please. So the enemy, the computer . Theres something to be said for that. Something to be said for that because the amount of time that we are spending because of social media is preventing us from doing the other things that allow us to take acting classes or allow us to start writing. Its just for whatever reason, for those who are religious or not religious, god only gave us 24 hours in the day, and it has been that way for quite a long period of time. If we start filling it up with twitter and any other social media thing, its going to prevent us from being creative. And its going to prevent us from doing what we need to do. [applause] its a problem and we need to figure it out. We need to get up at 6 00 in the morning in go swimming and do Something Like that so that we can get our creative juices going. Not doing that we are going to become something i watch young people walking down the street. Im not from if youre reading while going up the subway steps, life in prison. [laughter] [applause] when they walk down the street reading their phone theyre missing what is going on. The people, the dogs, the children, that are all around. The dry you can get. I stopped all dogs on the street and chat. I lived in new york my entire life and i still walk around like a tourist. I do too. I look up. Theres a lot to see, and it changes every day. But if youre facing the phone i you wondered what it was, my iphone, i have one. It is, you have to limit it. You really have to limit it if were going to go as a society. Im the only living american without a cell phone. Really . You dont have a cell phone . No. An internet fortunes said how do i reach you . And i said well i dont have a cell phone. She said was yourself a number . I said i dont have one. She said how do you get your messages . I said when i get home theres another machine. And she looked at me and i think she thought i was on the cutting edge of a new wave. She said i could just hear her going back, remember those pink wire rug pads . Those pink while you were out pants . He has a box of them. No [laughter] i thought because you are fine humans i would ask the question, which is what you like least about new york and best about new york. Dont think about it too carefully, hope, because youre a very careful person. A very wet person . Careful. Okay, there are people who can or joe you can answer the question and hope can think about it. No i can answer. Theaters. Is that the worst of the best . Thats the best. Before theater, food. Food at the theater, food with no theater. I love Walking Around in the neighborhoods. When did this happen . It changed. Its very exciting city. It always changing. Except not always for the best. I will tell you, after moving out of the city into, quote, the suburbs, suburban new jersey, or whatever. Phoenix. Phoenix, thats right. Its not that far. You can actually walk there. You can cross the bridge. Its a nice long walk. But its overwhelming to come into the city, certain parts of the city, sometimes, when you come from there. And its not a little quiet hamlet. Theres a lot of people there, a lot of cars, highrises and everything else, but its overwhelming sometimes when you come into the city and you are just like, where are all these people coming from . Theyre kind of attacking me. And i love the city. I do. The most exciting thing to me is when you are flying in from someplace and you see here on the plane and look at that. Its so beautiful. The one constant love of my life. Never get tired of this city. And louis joy. And coming across the bridge and seeing the skyline of new york, it just makes you feel absolutely great. The one thing that, lately, drives me crazy a new war new york, is people driving their bikes the wrong way on a oneway street. I dont know why. And people get hurt in the process. And motorbikes. And the sidewalk is completely unacceptable. Bicycles, no, seriously. Its terrible. It is illegal, but, you know. And i keep writing to my councilman about so we have about ten minutes left. I just thought i would ask if anyone had any comments or please, yes, question . I bet i worked it at the early 80s. Oh, there you are. How are you . How are you . I want to say, as they approach my third chapter, right now i am listening to rereading endlessly on audiobooks the powerbroker, so i would say that right now its just so illuminating to me, that whole story of robert moses, but told through the eyes of Robert Carroll who, he still on his third, fourth, fifth act, writing about lyndon johnson. So my question is. About the powerbroker, how many of you have even thought about that story or real listening to it on audible and you mentioned james but i see the city in completely different outlook now. On every bridge, every road, every new housing project, et cetera. Anybody comment on the powerbroker . What he did to the south bronx is without conscience, i think. I read the book years ago, and moses, he had a vision, but he didnt think it through. I dont know if he was in the hair and lee evil, but i think the result of many of the choices he made, thank god that they stopped the throughway through greenwich village. The south bronx was, the bronx was divided. [inaudible] but its an example of absolute power. The fact that there was no accountability from him to anyone. You might know more about that. When you talk about absolute power, but remember, robert moses was a parks commissioner. He had jobs that were sob level. Where was the mayor . Where was the governor . Why didnt they do their job . And these were not weak people. They had the means, like roosevelt, lehman, moe maguire, what were they doing, and why do they let him do what he did . He lost all his power with Nelson Rockefeller. And quite honestly, and john libby, and the deal that was made, just to understand what happened, its quite an interesting story. While he was out of town, literally on vacation, out of the country, the deal was made that the Tunnel Authority which was the core of his power was ripped away, given to the end t. A. , and thats how the emptier was created, and for that the subway system was taken away from new york city, withdrawn lindsays permission, because lindsay didnt have the money to maintain the subway system. Thats how the whole thing was put together. By the time moses came back, he didnt have a job, and there was nothing he could do about it. And it was Nelson Rockefeller with john lindsey who was able to get that done but had to do it when he was out of town. So finally someone said enough of this. And dealt with it. Should have some time out of town earlier. [laughter] and thank god they didnt have cell phones, because someone wouldve called him up. I didnt read the powerbroker but i have seen the effects of his work in the bronx, especially because i lived in the bronx for a number of years, and even in conjunction with the museum, the placement of the museum, where were would we go to put this museum that would be accessible to the majority of people who lived in the bronx . And really, there is no place. There is no place that we could have put that building that. We have to make a compromise. It was city owned, because of the divide. The highway . The bronx expressway. Its the bane of everybodys existence, if theyve ever driven on it. But even now all we had a museum, a big purple bass, and one of the reasons for the boss was that we could travel to parts of the borough that not only the south bronx, all of the bronx couldnt get there through the exactly, there was just no way. You cant get on a train. When you think about mothers with strollers and three or four kids, its impossible. So you see the impact of it decades later. Im sorry, did someone have a comment . [inaudible] sorry, could you take the microphone, if you dont mind . Theyre talking about putting it under ground and reuniting the bronx. I can talk to this, because you have the same thing in brooklyn and the Carroll Gardens area, where the just burrowed out and all of that. When the was built it just dug down and its just one big you. Instead of making it a tunnel, making it a common on top where you could have grass going along it the decision was made not to do that because you have to build air shafts, and it would be more expensive to do that. It was an absolute mistake not to do that. You could build the way they granted in boston where they have done the big dig it took them forever to do it, but that highway is underground, and theres parkland on top. It could easily be done. It does take time. It does take more money, but in the long run in the quality of life would be a lot better, and the bronx would be in a much different place. You wouldnt have on either side of the expressway, it was burnt out. Pictures of i guess it was mayor been with president carter, looking at these burned out buildings at the top. And then remember they had the to convey the impression that they would cover the windows and make it look like i think we have time, its just about 8 00, we have time for one more question or comment . If there is anyone . Yes, please . Can i ask a question about the [inaudible] [laughter] i know it was probably a pain when you are the head of it. But why isnt the subway going down Second Avenue . I have been reading a lot about how connections have been made to connect them up with the other subway lines. But instead theyre going uptown. Do you know . I do know the answer. Obviously the first part has been built. Built from the 60s up until the 90s, right up to, what, 96th street. Part b, that was part, part b is going to go up to a 125th street. Part c will go up to the 60s down to 34th street, and then after that its gonna go from 34th street and go all the way down to the Lower East Side will terminate in the wall street area, around hanover square. That was a decision. Why it was done like that . See charlie [laughter] and theres no reason, congressman language, who i know very well, as chairman of the ways and means in the time has the proof streams and the money and all the more reason why when, you control the money you can control what is a, whats b, and well see, and what city. Thats all it is. It will go down south but that was a priority, that was the prioritization of the order. The second issue is, and its really important, the part is being built now, a tunnel was partly built already, so its easier to continue building it. There was a tunnel built there. Somewhere around the Second World War they started to build the Second Avenue subway. This things been going on. Even before you were born. [laughter] can i ask [laughter] and will give you a name. A young man who came to fortune, for whom i have great affection, named darius mccollum. He was the kid that he went on the subways and he drove them all over, and he had the key. He had aspergers. And they continually lock him up. Hes a very gentle soul. I said to him, why dont you get a job with the mta and he said i embarrass them. Hes a folk hero, theyre gonna end up writing musicals about him. He still institutionalized. I have often said, this young man didnt hurt anybody. He took the bus one day that wasnt his. [laughter] and he gave a tour of people all over the city. But he was so sweet. In my two tours of duty there i have met numerous young man who are on various different parts of the spectrum who know more about the subway system than people who work there. He knows how to drive a train. They just love the system. They know everything about it. He loved the train. He has an ankle bracelet. He couldnt ride the subway when i knew him. He had an ankle bracelet. I was rooting for the wrong guys in the taking of the [laughter] [laughter] on that note, im gonna say, 1 to 3 has to be read on or there has to be a third taking of pelham, 1 to 3, and i want to thank all of you so much, hope david and joe and christina, and makes everything happen and never says a word. Thank you, josh. And of course, my pleasure. It has been my treat to be here. [applause] if you enjoy book treat tv, sign up for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen. To see the schedule of upcoming programs, author discussions, book festivals, and more. Book tv, every sunday on cspan 2, or anytime online and book tv dot org. Television for serious readers. Weekends on cspan two or an intellectual feast. Every saturday, American History tv documents america story. 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