happened at the time. >> those interrogations were conducted during the bush administration and defense secretary donald rumsfeld shot down the idea that water boarded was used. >> the united states department of defense did not do water boarded for interrogation purposes to anyone, and it is true, as i understand it, that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches in guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. but it was not harsh treatment, it was not waterboarding. >> joining me now is paul wolfowitz, former deputy secretary of defense. i apologize for the noise, i'm at ground zero. so that is what the jackhammering is behind me.
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