americans? >> i don't think we will have to do. this is not to benefit the wealthy. this is to benefit the middle class and benefit companies where they're going to be producing jobs. >> but if you -- >> we want to produce jobs. we want to produce jobs in this country. we want factories coming back. they're already coming back. but we want factories coming back into our country. right now, they're leaving our country. they've started since i've been in, as you know, you look at michigan and ohio, they're starting to come back. but to really bring them back we have to reduce our tax rate. so we're trying to bring it down to around 15%. >> but if you reduce the individual rates, sir, it will bring taxes down on the wealthy? >> what's going to happen is the individual rate coming down will be substantial for the middle class. we want to take care of the middle class. we want to take care of jobs. the way we're going to get jobs is to make our companies more competitive. don't forget, a lot of these companies are public companies owned by the public, owned by pension funds, owned by vehicles

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