for 36 years, i'm reluctant to go inside and negotiate. every time we had trouble in congress, i was the guy that got sent up. >> that's why i'm asking. >> i know the way i would have tried to negotiate it. but i'm not there. i'm outside. i'm not inside. i don't know where the elasticity is to make this. on the basic proposition that if you had a wall that provided a security that wasn't just an absolute waste of money being national technical ways to protect it and all of these kids had a path to citizenship, i would be inclined to do that. >> you would give trump the political victory in order to get the deal done. >> i don't care about his political victory. it's not how i view politics whether it's a personal victory or not. >> when you speak to the democrats now, this is going to be a big deal. they have to figure out very fundamental things. being anti-trump probably won't be enough. what is the challenge for your party? >> the challenge is for us to