it's more of a wildfire. the u.s. is essentially facing a cyber insurgency. you're seeing lateral movement, they compromise systems and then move between connected networks and plant back doors or secret passage ways in the systems so they have have access in the future. this is being done in the energy and financial sector and targeting major institutions of the west from nato organizations to u.s. institutions themselves. >> energy, financial institutions. how about the elections systems? we're talking about vote counting, any evidence that is going on there? >> we have no true evidence it's going on in those systems but those systems are incredibly vulnerable to compromise and attack. those systems do not have security, they have not been assessed for compromises that may exist and some states have been reticent to help the help from the commerce department of homeland security and fbi in