>> i would refer you to the justice department. you guys are equating the subpoena with prosecution and i think that it is -- again, i would defer you to what the attorney general said. >> it is a technical accuracy you are holding on to. >> based on what i saw in published reports and what the attorney general said i don't see the conflict. >> sean: he didn't see the conflict the last time the attorney general was caught lying either. this is back in 2011. >> when did you first know about the row gram officially i believe called fast and furious to the best of your knowledge what date? >> i'm not sure of the exact date but i probably heard about it for the first time over the last few weeks. >> sean: that, too, was later discovered to have been a lie. why? because justice department