about after all cache cheats and fraud. if someone submits a bill they are going to pay it unfortunately we have a lot of unscrupulous folks submitting claims. >> that's another aspect of obamacare. $80,000. imagine if we could figure out a way to prevent it rather than having it happen. because when the fbi goes out and catches someone the person gets prosecuted but would i never get that 80 billion back. >> you are right. when i was sitting at the desk and i ran healthcare fraud squad here. i frequently ask for, you know, we ought to be able, for instance, the social security death index, we ought to be able, you know, cross those payouts with the death index to make sure that we are not paying claims on dead people or, for that matter, physicians that are not licensed any longer there are things that we can do that we haven't done.

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