they're from a poor neighborhood in detroit or harlem, that's just a cop-out for the education establishment. >> didn't you also find, and don't you find, governor, in the state of michigan, inschool districts like this, within detroit or within harlem, the schools we have been up to, the best teachers, the best teachers want to teach in the most challenging situations? >> they do. governor, i'm sure you will agree. it's an entire culture. what's working in new york city, you have a culture that starts with michael bloomberg who says, there's just no substitution for victory. that filters down to public charter schools and filtering to public schools. you need leadership. >> top to bottom? >> you need leadership in politics and classroom. >> that's right. when you do this right and have an evaluation system that evaluates not just the teacher but the principal and the superintendent and everybody has
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