policy. in terms of politics, rick perry going up. michele bachmann showing momentum. this is the christian conservative vote gingrich needs to get. perry, debates, so perry's doing better. he needs to sort of cut back on that. >> the irony, yes, exactly. if you want to court iowa, perhaps you should go to iowa. but that's reason and reason and gingrich sometimes are not -- >> the ultimate cop out. item an unconventional candidate. >> up next, martin bashir and dylan ratigan.