back. >> well, that's right. i mean, she waived the union just like ronald reagan waved the american flag. at the time she arrived in 1979, there was a fatigue, exhaustion, in the '60s and '70s. britain didn't know what they were doing. dean atchison said at west point in 1962, britain had lost an empire and hadn't found a role for itself. by the time thatcher came in, she was able to get them to be proud of being britain's again. i think it was the seminal turning point. also for a woman to be overseeing a military exercise like that had a big impact. >> i'm thinking of elizabeth i, the great queen who fought the armada. i think of her. i think hillary is probably going to run. i don't know whether she will. she'll probably run. who will her role model be? here's the question. thatcher ran very much as sort of a classic male politician.