support. problem is, when it comes to personal taxes, there's no agreement on whether they should be lower or higher. and how that affects the deficit. it may not be comprehensive tax reform. but there may be small incremental wins you can have. this is hard. it doesn't happen that often. >> caitlin, we will talk to actual americans in the days and weeks and months to come. the president right now stands at 37%. we don't know if that move, if that's going to migrate north or south as a result of this. do you think his base has no base as to their willingness to forgive and get on with things and do you think this will be the next agenda, tax reform, infrastructure, the southern border wall, and -- >> well, the biggest question is when do his supporters start to leave him. they've been very loyal