remember when the e-mails come out, paul manafort gets the job on the campaign and sends an e-mail to someone in ukraine and says has this is russian oligarch seen this? the person he's sending those e-mails is this individual, is that right, natasha? >> correct. he went with constantine in may and another time in august they met in person. at least one conversation, they did discuss the presidential campaign. not only did they exchange e-mails they also met face-to-face twice during that year. >> klimnik is on the ground. manafort is is e-mailing him as using it as a means to get made whole with a shady russian oligarch. malcolm, this question of ties to russian intelligence, that terms ties is nonspecific. i never know what to do with it. people would say ties to terrorists and organized crime, ties to intelligence.

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