it is unprecedented. are we even closer today to that breaking point than we were yesterday? does this start to have a deum lative effect? >> it's a very complex air space system, especially the northeast corridor. and when you look at where we're into the sick leaves aren't in laguardia, kennedy, newark, or philadelphia. they're actually in our big end route centers, the one in washington and jacksonville is what we're seeing. we're talking just a handful of sick leaves is what we're talking about in each area. but we can't open up all the positions the so what we do is combine the air space, combine the positions and you can't run the same amount of traffic safely. and we will never compromise safety of the flying public. >> paul rinaldi, president of the air traffic controllers association. we hope what we are about to hear from the president is your staff is going to start to get paid, all the air traffic controllers and all federal workers are going to be paid. thank you for that. we are at the half hour.

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