Kerry last who has now apologized and suspended the unpopular proposal but the protesters want nothing short of her resignation and full cancellation of the legislation they fear that it could become a long arm for beijing to apprehend political opponents and undermine hong kongs autonomous status. Hong kong vs power grab postponed thats the question were posing on quadriga today and here are the who will be. Born in Hong Kong Cherie challen works mainly for social Media Department she says the fresh round of protests served as an important reminder for people in hong kong that they still have a battle to fight until 2047 its also a pleasure to welcome. A freelance journalist. Who formerly worked with the economist based in hong kong he says despite growing resistance of hong kong people and especially its young china will eventually extinguish Hong Kong Liberty and finally were very pleased to have with us the activist he was involved in the Umbrella Movement that emerged during the hong kong democracy protests in 4014. 00 he was granted asylum in germany last year. We dont want hong kong to become just another city in china. So welcome to all of you let me ask you just start out by talking a little bit about the Current Situation even after the suspension of the proposed extradition law the protesters have made it clear theyre not calling it quits apparently messages have been circulating on social media or social media expert calling for protesters to escalate their actions quote unquote what could that mean what do you expect the protests are sudden now organizing. Demonstrations and. I think they expect to have such. A fall then they stay what they said that. The chief executive said it will be withdrawn and they also. Challenge us on the protesters who were arrested so were seeing. His truck. Demonstration i say ray would you say that carrie lamb the chief executive of hong kong that her apologies and her suspension of the legislation was a genuine climbdown a genuine retraction or is the government just biding its time. Yes i think a treat a dolphin just find the time to let the whole case screwed on in the International Community because last week 2 medians people on the streets and it drew a hitch attention some day International Community and like the us. A set that she will raise to each issue of hong kong in g. 20 i think its a hitch procession to the hong kong ottomans thank you and we will come back to pressure from outside a little bit later on but. For those of us who are less well acquainted in kong with hong kong it may have seemed a bit surprising at 1st that what appeared to be a procedural law would provoke this level of mass resistance in fact you called it heroic resistance what exactly is at stake and why is it that you think this year roic resistance is likely to prove futile well thats a lot to me what was a stake this was a rich man this was an idea the idea is to. Allow the courts to extradite people to china or taiwan with who doesnt have an extradition treaty has been around for a long time and never went anywhere and then there was a case about a home can couple very young went to taiwan and came back that gave kerry lamb puppet of beijing the excuse to suddenly accelerate that which made everyone think that she wants this not to extradite the alleged murderer that that was it was a murder case to taiwan because by the way taiwan said we dont want this anymore once they figure it out but to open a back door into the hong kong judicial system which is based on English Common law and still is pretty clean but to let people be extradited to Mainland China and once people understood made that connection they realised that this is probably the most profound threat of many threats since they hand over. To hong kong liberties and thats where what they want went on to the streets in a way that i think is nothing short of heroic and why is it you think that that hero is and wont actually count in the long run you said it yes century that its futile the chinese the mainland chinese from a Western Point of view are famous for their long time horizons theres even apocryphal jokes about that but they waited 100 years to get hong kong back in 1907 then they made a deal for 50 years and at the time we in the west were hoping well a lot can happen in 50 years maybe hong kong will change china more than china will change on kong its not completely clear that times have changed china is in a trade war is standing up to the u. S. In a trade war they want there they want to make turn islands into aircraft carriers in the South China Sea theyre really seizing what they view as their historical prerogative to be a major power and everything points to a crackdown by xi jinping who doesnt want to lose face and i think the long term direction is were going to slowly turn up the heat and then in another you know its been 22 years since then over come 2047 i think its curtains such area your Opening Statement describes the protests as part of the battle that hong kong has to fight until 2047 until that deadline that underestimate described he saying the battle has already been lost. I think most people with one thing that this time they have a fake tree because i spent the pew. But. Its a reminder for them that its not only the beer they are posing its actually the whole system behind the whole fight for democracy the whole how to retain one country to assist in that they need lives and i think as you have mentioned before into us of 14 there was a big protest movement and after that since no Office Outcome has been achieved i think after that many hong kong people actually lost hope a bit and they lost the momentum of what they were fighting for but then this fresh round of protests remind them that this is this is a very ongoing fight this is a long battle that they have to keep coming out again and again 2 busy to 4 so pinions i want to talk in just a moment about the link between the 2014 protests that you were so much a part of really and the ones were seeing now but lets hear the voices now of some of those who were out on the streets of hong kong this past week and who clearly believe that this battle must be fought. For your pea soup ill go to you that we must teach the children to tell right from wrong. Came out peacefully express their opinions even though they were little impromptu to the police should not a miserable good. Grounds to deal with the students. Just a delay not a full council a sort of truce in the law so i think this is not over for until this is a complete stop to those who are they telling you what they mean by going what more can we do what they thought yeah yeah yeah they call us rioters but i but our gear is just a raincoat. And a comment really yeah yeah if you can but they have the times and they can make us believe. You i dont think that we own people came out to cause trouble were fighting for a Better Future for hong kong boy and gun with me. So those those voices must sound familiar to you tell us a little bit about your experience during the 2014 protests whether you think they made an impact whether you think they made a difference and perhaps what you would want to say to these protesters today. First of all i think there is a difference between the protests in 2014 and the protests today in 2014 as chile we we gain nothing from the gulf summons and even dole we have stayed in the streets for 79 days but the government didnt listen to us they didnt listen to all foreigners all that democracy but this time. The mental or the way of protesting is difference from 2014. Where is that larger or more and more will fuller what makes it different. I think the biggest difference is that this time there is no a significance leader so every protester they have their own followers they do what they think is useful to protests very interesting so would you have a message to those young people we just saw on screen. I would say now the political situation in hong kong is totally different from 2014. To 2014 a lot of hong kong people loss of its hole in hong kong but also this time we can see that international. Attention is very useful to give proof to the timing skulls and as well as the Hong Kong Government to change their mind or to make a bit concessions so i think or the protest in hong kong should keep their hope and try their best to tell the International Community was planning in hong kong and how importance of cherry how far would you expect the government to go to suppress protests if as you said there are continuing rallies escuela torrie actions even were do you think the governments likely to do. I think the suppression of the protests will only be justified if its clear. Or clash between the polissena protests and so as long as the protests as they keep their calm remain peaceful i dont think the government has the recent to stop people going on the streets just to say things that they wouldnt like and so or would have to see like what the protesters plans. But i wouldnt say the government will make a lot of efforts to. Disperse of people. Under its sometimes difficult to get a reading on carry less at least i find the chief executive of hong kong at times in the beginning she sounded like the mother of a recalcitrant child very strict then when she apologize she actually sounded at least genuinely distressed you said shes a puppet of the jing so she simply acting on beatings marching orders meaning it wasnt she who blinked it was beijing she claims that the extradition idea was her own idea but of course i wasnt even making this an ad hoc attack against karen lamb who seems to be a sort of colorless crack for the most part but the truth is all of the i arrived in hong kong that was told she was and then are still at donald chang and then i left in there and couplers since theyre all puppets of beijing thats the way the system is set up thats what you guys were protesting against you wanted to reelect them and the and legit go but also the chief executive directly and theyre not so of course it is understood that theyre there in part to represent the interests of beijing and thats not against kerry lamb i think it whether she if she were to resign. Which could happen as we speak the they would there would be a new puppet it wouldnt solve anything as far as im concerned. Joshua was an activist who played a leading role in the 2014 protests and was then sent to prison has just been released he says the demonstrators are browbeating now so that quote unquote so to the quote they dont suffer the same fate as the students on Tiananmen Square 30 years ago is such a crackdown imaginable in hong kong a Tiananmen Square type crackdown. Tritt on the frustrated often better rough lucia i had this fault because there were rumors that the tanks from china were crossing the border and police were holding the gun pointed to our face i think ones International Community has no interest in hong kong to china they can do whatever they want in hong kong very interesting so lets take a look then at the link between hong kong and China Hong Kong in fact has long served as a bridge between china and the world acting as a conduit for trade and investment in both directions lets take a closer look at relations between the 2 and what that means for the rest of the world. Boasting over 7000000. 00 inhabitants of the special Administrative Region of hong kong is one of chinas most important trading hopes. When britain transferred sovereignty of hong kong to china in 1907 beijing agreed to guarantee the existing political and economic systems for 50 years according to the principle of one country 2 systems. Hong kongs autonomous status guarantees civil rights such as freedom of the press and the right to protest but these are under increasing threat as beijings implements continues to grow. Only hope of the 70 seats in parliament are elected directly. And chief executive was appointed by a largely probation election committee. Arrests of the prodemocracy activists such as the recently released joshua one are also increasingly frequent. Will be using stick to the preacher ons for agreement. So let me pass that last question straight on to all of you and start out with you cheri. Do you think that the agreement will hold even till 2047. And now kenyon i think it will all these things that china is trying to do now if not to push the deal to be reached. I think what they want to do is just to make sure that. Gradually and slowly hong kong will become more similar to just other cities in china and their power took off and the hong kong people were less. Less. Obvious just before that they were its ranged and so they just want to have this gradual change so that in 2047 it will be peaceful and crack you change off the systems but you know obviously home people are not buying that andreas youre clearly skeptical about the Group Agreement holding in the long term what about the short to medium run well and not necessarily by the agreement holding on paper because remember that point about the time horizons its not its never been in chinas interest to have a tenement square on the streets of hong kong because one thing the chart from chinas point of view that it always wanted to one country 2 systems in both hong kong and macau to be was 2 demonstration projects for taiwan they were hoping to convince taiwan look if you ever want they want to gather all the chinese lands back into the mother country basically and for that they need to show that look we stick to agreements otherwise they can kiss taiwan goodbye it may be that she jinping has now decided well taiwan is gone anyway so it doesnt matter i think what could flip it is if she jinping whos made himself basically dictator for life recently changed to chinas constitution if hes thought he was losing face he could overreact short of that i dont think they will overreact and they will keep doing what theyve been doing since i was there was there in 2003 at that time the problem was something called article 203023 they keep subverting hong kongs liberty in subtle ways until 2047 when its barely noticeable and then so my pessimism or even were already halfway through almost the 50 year period that weve got one more generation and it will be it will be a steady gradual decline of liberty and then it will just be another chinese city ray i have to say when i was watching that report. I found myself asking whats it like to live in a place where a clock is ticking toward a deadline that could mean a completely different political system and a loss of liberty what can you tell us what that means for daily life for People Living there. Its a very desperate for the young generation in hong kong because we drove in the place where we can enjoy freedom and the rule of law and its a little bit democracy but when we look at the china chinas a chinese city where the people have no freedom they have no freedom of speech is really desperate and we dont want to live in such a city thats why we go to the streets to fight for democracy in order to keep distance from china. Let me come back to the question of pressure from outside really talked about donald trump saying that he would bring upon kong status when he meets apparently with eugene ping on the margins of the g. 22 to what degree though would you really expect any country right now to truly stand up for hong kong visa when there are so many tensions already. Between for instance the u. S. And china after these protests actually many countries including the e. U. I think they put us damon staying that they support the protesters and they think that all these protesters they have their rights to force the opinion but then they did them vainly make a very office there they want democracy in hong kong. But i must say i think hong kong people this time around compared to us of they really way smarter and more careful because we see a lot of protests all the eyes in Different Countries in australia in the us in europe and they really trying to get as much International Attention as possible so with the International Pressure i would say its something to for the government to back down a bit but as for china. I dont think its really a place that. Can if this is how they want to go. Under is how much to hong kong stability and prosperity matter both to the west and also to china as i was looking at the figures i found quite interesting to see that hong kong share of chinas overall g. D. P. G. D. P. Has dropped quite dramatically so question is would china really care if hong kong were to go into an economic tailspin. And they would care but probably not as much what it would china has up to now. Needed hong kong for is as a finance center that brings capital in and out so a lot of i. P. O. s have not just been happening in shanghai but also in hong kong because theres a. Common law and so forth but what if been seen for many many years now is it is it changing the division of labor among the Asian Financial centers or for instance a lot of the currency stuff is now in singapore a lot of the the direct investment in china is increasingly in shanghai so from chinas point of view that is part of the long time arrives and theyre hoping to arrange things so they need hong kong less and less and that shanghai plays a larger and larger role with support singapore and hong kong and taipei and seoul and tokyo so. China will will manage that and not care to mention as far as the west unfortunately im very pessimistic either the donald who cares donald trump cares a hoot about this he cares about the china in terms of a trade war and hes his advisors are telling which is true theres a pop potential for a hot military war at some point and he cares about north korea where she jinping has been staging himself perhaps to get out to get out of the news cycle with func pictures there hes Walking Around with the north korean dictator who. Who dont trump is trying to be chummy with dont trump does not care really about the freedoms and liberties of hong kong and the europeans and the germans care even less because theyre being ground up there they had their their trading mentality their being ground up germany in particular between this american sign or american trade war they want that settled and they dont want a larger war in the region and when push comes to shove theyre not going to make hong kong something that they would you know risk capital in cherry if i come back to our title whether the power struggle between beijing and hong kong has simply been postponed at best would you say that pressure from outside is essential in order for that power struggle to go hong kongs way and if so are you confident that hong kong can be more than a bargaining chip that both china and the west would happily throw away if they need to i would say a lot of International Business set up their branch in hong kong i expect to be closest to rule of law and they trust the legal system in hong kong and so i think economy is really up going cheap for hong kong to win this battle. And maybe actually if theyre on that ship they can us because to be honest i i dont think they International Community really pay a lot of attention to human rights or other democracy in hong kong to say but yeah ray i was interested to see when i was reading up a little bit about your life here in germany that you have said that germanys experience of reunification gives you hope for hong kong can you just tell us to close the show why that is. Because i met some german people that they have told me that. They have. Never fought west germany and that is german he wrote if they reunite but somehow its happened sol that they never lose my hope through a dictatorship they were eventually did. So. Looking toward that power struggle that our title talks about. How do you think it will come up. I think for the International Community you should. Should. 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