A government like that still does the support of the west. Welcome to call it so i know. Last april donald trump showered complements on your main rival in libya only for half which clearly shocked you and yet you claim to come back with a message that the us was still behind you whats the evidence for that well believe we believe that weve been a us ally for quite a long time we were fighting side by side to fight to dash and ices and libya times change the kurds thought that as well where time of change because we cannot apply what happened in syria and libya and im talking about how alliance is coming up. The. Trump said that he appreciated mr have to a significant role in fighting terrorism their shared vision for libyas transition to a stable democracy high praise from the leader of the western world for your main enemy isnt that standing by you its a pretty look almost anybody can. Say those things about you know we still believe that the administration of united state that mr ation of the white house believed that some wrong mistakes so long messages have been around about after and hes fighting terrorism i think the force in the u. S. Is badly informed yes i think the britain and by inform and i believe that the message passed yesterday from the Foreign Ministers would libyan Foreign Ministers and the libyan internal ministers they want to see libyan stable and the problem in libya certainly through a political process yeah but they dont necessarily want you to win any more do they. The issue is not winning a war we are fighting for what you want to talk to her after we leave you ruled out talking to no its not the relations between the june a government and have to order a government of national yes then after our government we believe that the libyan people should went for bringing libya to stability to have a democratic countries to have a country which rules by law and not getting back to a military rule of for the good you say this is so in june that just as life illiterate you flatly rejected the idea of talking to has to have stuck cant be trusted you said talking with after is out of the question we need a bar as what you said when you go to Peace Process you need a bottomless and it was after he wants you to talk so youre not on the same page there well why should i want you to talk no washington said that washington story wasnt a did not say that we want to they want us to talk with after wasnt insane. That the political process should be peacefully not through a military. You know attacking tripoli is not the solution they did say the state Department Official said in april the u. S. Is consulting with a broad range of libyan leaders as well as our International Partners to print press for stabilization and bring Prime Minister else iraq and general hafta back to the negotiating table so they want you to talk this you think they stay in the same position after 88 months of fighting around tripoli after all the attack on hospitals and schools after all their lives there we lost from both sides on that i think the u. S. Message is completely different today i think they want to look at who are causing this war in libya and whos. Because in this brock sea world you hope its different but you have no evidence that its different in june we had the acting u. S. Defense secretary Patrick Shanahan also saying what weve said before what i do support is fieldmarshal have to support in terms of his role in counterterrorism but where we need to support is in building democratic stability in the region so there talking still talking about multi players talking to each other yes but at the same issue have to send a clear message to everybody that he dont want to democracy in libya he wanted all libyans for quite some times until he see that libya stable to go for them kristie i think this is a conflict within what you project to say from the foreign minister or the defense minister youve been pushing the message for a long time the d. N. A. Has been pushing the message for a long time that you can win and that you will finally beat him back outside of tripoli and he knows the game is over he doesnt seem to know that the game is over why have you misled people like this will you think we mislead people i believe after 8 months he did not succeed to get into tripoli after 8 months of fighting with all the support that have to getting from outside libya he didnt win that he didnt get a libya in tripoli he said that i would be in 3 bodies in 2 days and he said that repeatedly the g. And a is above the past now we are since the 4th of april was almost for 8 months he did not succeed and as look at the way around this matic whats driving this conflict isnt just the failure to hold talk its the fact that the war economy developed over many years has made libyas militia groups absurdly rich and they refused to give this up that and that includes militias that are allied to your government as well when we have a clear program. To clean up tripoli and clean up libya from militia and our program stop you havent got very far will we start in the february with our internet ministers but unfortunately have to attack and the 4th of april and make or dispose of iran and just stand and say government came to power the production of oil was just 120 better the day to day we are talking about 1001000000 200000 barrels a day when we came to bowen in libya they libyan kind of he had a lot of problems lets talk about yours lets talk about these militia groups because in october the world bank said there was now an open war in your country for power and wealth capture and report after report has suggested that only the militia groups hold sway in your country that the Prime Minister has little if any real power over the whole country or indeed the forces which are under his control power rests mostly in the hands of the militia cartel this is the view of the small arms. Well a 1000001 side and one side the whole ward stand by the chimney politically in public announcement but under the table many of the countries are supporting this militia and thats why we have the problems we want to clearance from the rest of the world and country who are helping us in 2011 that they are really stand by their governor austin and world is peeling you to cut your links with these corrupt militia groups who you continue to ally with yeah but still were going to show him some of this countrys they make the will of the militia strongest and this is exactly what were looking for that in better lean process theyd stop helping different identity than the government of libya whos helping whos helping these many countries which European Countries our neighbor countries and some arab countries so so youre blaming it on the on the europeans that you have close ties with murdering militia groups who extort who fire off their weapons against civilian areas its all europes fault is it and that they are deeply involved in the corruption of your administration well they dont trust the government they believe that some of the militia are stronger than the government and they made good will they improved havent they well they dont prove it when they have to attack tripoli everybody was aligned with the government to different the capital from the military rulers who want to rule the country take the back are a battle and it was ordered by the g. N. A. T. Disband after its leader repeatedly involved in fighting at tripoli airport he took no notice the special to terence force this is a group that detain 2 journalists for questioning and arrested others without warrant one of its commander said we cant act as if the government were in a position to give us orders in other words they take no notice of you so thats how but some much influence you have on these militias we need time to bring. Our military together we need time to make our security brittle you shouldnt of got into bed with these deeply corrupt violent also theres a 1000000 bad and with this militia disposition was existing before the general government even exist we came in by our would with more than 30 or 35. 00 militia in tripoli now we have only a few more less than 3 or 4 in tripoli and now under your government a cartel of 4 major militia groups have gradually divided up the capital between themselves and they now hold you and the government of National Accord ransom to their changing demands and this feuds and corruption well i think you have some good information but some of your information is quite old since that that after of tripoli everybody is united under the umbrella of the general we dont have militias who are as both for as your reporter explain your own interior minister. He blurted it out during an interview in january he said his interior Ministry Budget falls under the control of militia groups by force thats what he set the ministries expenses have reached 300000000 dinars and widespread corruption was found so you say his Ministry Budget belongs to one when mr chavez are our minister say that the whole reward should say that he started his program to clean up his ministers from descriptive militia training and youre government is rotten to the core with these people involved in your budgets taking over your budgets by force its rotten to the core is no thats why we have a new ministers thats why he started his work around the last mars so Everybody Knows that you cannot clean up from 30 militia in one day you wake up and you have all things done you need times and the process and the extortioners going on and youve let it happen and they have over the years the last 2 years they. Extorted in attempted to extort huge sums of money from the government you have to look at the whole story the government of genie came to power in 2068 was outside to tripoli came to tripoli clean up a tripoli from a lot of militia started this war against dice and insert after all after he says he is after reading your body letting. Us have to split in half there is a you have to say that you clean a bunch. Of done that but never mention that insert he done the job we done the job after only 4 months of arriving in tripoli at the same time as your militia groups are extorting from you you know that exactly when the country is divided you have to work 1st and you have to have priorities which our ability cleaning up the country from isis or fighting the militia mr moti if you dont stand for law and order and then into corruption you dont stand for anything at all no we really dont we do but we get to our country and our country had a long war with isis for more than a year and a half once we done with isis we started up to rebuild our Financial Institutions and when we get to our Financial Institution we find a problem with asia and we have problems with our Oil Production at the same time we find have to attacking oil field and we dont want to go in conflict with him because we have our internal problem with the mission so we have our priorities as i explained to you we have ability isis issues arising the production of oil making the life libyans better and of course we have to clean up our country from militia and they are controlling of our many of those are usually wrong way round because these militia groups have carried out extrajudicial executions they have attacked civilians and civilian properties and abducted tortured and disappeared people maybe you should have started with them all we have the laws and the hold on. The hold they have on your government is we have a problems with our borders we have a problem is with refugees we have a problems of Illegal Immigrants we have a problems to make our libyan currency for the 6 millions flippy and their life betters to improve their economies we have to find a way to have you know step one and the time we cannot do it all at the same time. How can you claim them to be any kind of legitimate over 30 when your own affiliates murder and steal their way around your country with absolute impunity none of these militia groups have been brought to account theres no intention to bring them to account is there of course you could have taken some of the leaders you could have put them on trial if you were really serious about doing something yeah and you bet your capital your own capital at the risk at the same time there isnt a terrorist attack in the other city in libya so but there are people going to ask at the end of the day are you worth saving as a government are you really worth it of course were worth of america life to have been better we saved a life people uncertain we live for you we make the life of the libyans instead of having what one dollars for 40 dollars today is for dinner is for one day you know what when will you live better than a 3rd of your people want to leave the country well one of them want to leave your country well because the people who are or the country who are helping the other side attacking the capitals and making the life of libyan war and causing a proxy war in libya and what about cleaning up the appalling treatment of many thousands of migrants in your country in june the un high commissioner for human rights urged you to launch an immediate investigation into the disappearance of more than 150 migrants from the Detention Center under the oversight of your department for combating illegal migration fact is that 203 people were delivered on may the 23rd by june the 7th the facility reported that only 30 were left what happened to these people when we have a lot of immigrants from libya was not staying and that center says particularly disturbing the light of the fact that immigrant migrants are being sold into forced labor to smugglers who promise them transit to europe and theyre being sold from the other homes and that libya alone cannot deal with the immigrants or ship. Yes this is you cant deal with slade this is no no you cant do is lay this is a report had done we have no proof of it ok and we work closely with our you know ministers you have no authority you know this is going on here youve known for the last 2 years it was good no this is not right this is not this is false information we have not even in libya we have no what saw call a slavery issue or libya we have to work with International Community what is their interest what is it you are you know when i was on your i was not what all the reports have been saying that opel are being sold to people trafficker traffickers and women are being sold for Sexual Exploitation you denial that you we have no information as a government otherwise we do our job how come they have much more information than you they are better informed. Whereas they are when the government is working closely with the International Community to save the lives in the middle of the mediterranean seas where does this reports when our coast guard would just very few visitors that we have we save 1000 the flight every morning and every day where dissident boards when we try to help this immigrants and the middle of Sahara Desert bring their life to more stable and leave libya we have more than 800000 immigrants in libya live close to what libyans with all of the reports weve been do you know a lot weve been working a lot to save the life of immigrants we believe that we should have bitter reports and bitter understanding of problems if the International Community is committed and willing to work with the libyans not sending audio messages about steven in libya we have been promises a lot on the lot from europeans but nothing been done many of their sense to so youre going im responsible for this so im not denying responsibility if something happened and we are responsible for it as a government of libya we will do our best and we are committed to work with the International Community in. The life of the immigrants is better but what they will be and what the International Community done or this is why they are accusing the libyans this is the way why they did not do what they have to do with the libyans when we as a result we ask for help to do our rebuttal graham they have theyve been giving you plenty of training in law has been given plenty of training and you and you and your co you are yours european and European Committee many times a Committee Community many times that there are promises its very very very low than what they already brahmas us if you were doing so much yourself why do you continue to employ people in your coast guard whove been sanctioned by the un im thinking of one of your coast guard officials. Milat according to the sanctions listing from june last year he heads the regional unit of the coast guard in zawiya that is consistently linked with violence against migrant and other human smugglers why do you still employ these people i think there is a report coming from our minister of interior saying clearly that he is not an employee foreign minister and turn to the u. N. Panel of experts claims that he and other coast guard members directly involved in the sinking of migrant boats using firearms the u. N. Says this coast guard is consistently linked and you say you know nothing about it no i said our minister of interior and they have a clear statement that this man is not employee by the minister of internal. So who is employed by the coast guard then well he has the coast guard coding according to the sanctions listing says that he collaborates with other migrants smugglers such as mohammed catch lafe who sources suggest is providing protection and him to carry out illicit operations related to the trafficking and smuggling of migrants several people in criminal investigations have stated they were picked up at sea by armed men on the coast guard ship called tele ill used by millet and taken to the Detention Center where they are reportedly held in brutal conditions and subjected beatings he of course denies any wrongdoing. Of course if Something Like this happen we as a government condemn all of this kind of actions and if hes working with our minister of internal or our cause he should do band and killed in 2017 the un secretary general appealed to your government to investigate reports of slaves being sold in libya and you personally you personally announced the setting up of a commission of inquiry to investigate where is this commission of Inquiry Commission the un has never heard of it yeah the un had a whole report about it and i want mr instead of just as the this commission and have clearly graham thats why so thats all you know is nobody you know we talked to including the un has never heard of this commission that was set up you say no we said that and the headed by them one minister frontier not and theyve done 2 public announcement about the whole report about slavery about that is dont think its slavery in libya and this is was a for that symbolism is simply in direct contradiction to all the reports that have pointed to it well for a tittie of reporters maybe maybe you got only the 1st part of the report you dont follow up with the rest of that you cant even tell me where these people incomes went when you were contacted by the un and asked pacifically earlier this year where did these people go to well if you are talking about disappeared you did not disappear and they went out of their center well they said there is more than 800000 immigrant live in libya outside the centers so you cannot claim disguised as went out of the center and theyre not leaving Good Condition in libya. The u. S. Embassy says that the endemic corruption in your government and the militia influence over government ministries has contributed to your inability to address trafficking effectively you have some responsibility for this you have responsibility for these migrants many of whom are kept in appalling conditions indefinitely subject to abuse beaten up some in conditions that amount to torture are you prepared when to go into a court of law and justify why you kept people in these conditions as long as we have a formations about whats happening in this interests and thats why we have a regular visitor from the commissioner from new and different places we are doing our best to keep this up to a standard its not so i dont see that it was but sometimes sometime it is difficult to deal with this winter somebody attack in hospital and school and your town and your country you cannot. Talk about immigrants and their problems i know its a humanitarian tragedy and i would believe we will do our best despite that there is nothing been done from the International Community that has not been done there is no need help what you hear its easy always to blame some no im not blaming them were not the blaming them with you we have a large window of the responsible we are we we are an african nations and are up to nations and the mediterranean and there is a responsibility lie on our shoulders as a government of libya but we are in time for and conflict and thats why we need the International Community to stand by us helping us to manage this fight its a big fight libya cannot deal with this fight alone and thats why we ask the International Community standards to get rid of the militias of course we need 20 what we did get the flu shot we need to get rid of the military rulers we need to have a better life of libya when government of National Call has been look at what the government of National Call did look in 34 years name one government in the world then. Liberate a city like sirte from isis without any water on the ground help being diligent the libyan did that a lot the government beyond the war and the tack of half tours of the capital that we have a bitter financial. And you have a long list and you have a long list of failures as well of course there is a very long im something im not found go to a new some accusation reforms im not you agree last year yeah i think fuel subsidies always think unifying the central bank failure to settle the teachers is not our failure to invest in basic services no electricity no no i suppose i said its very clear for me that we had a lot of Success Stories and we have a failure. We have a Success Story that we cant brow different we are very proud for the government but the same times we have a problems because there is there is very limited time to do always there is a problems with conflict in libya there is always that the country has or doesnt want to be stable and there is a big challenge for government or during a conflict and during the present of isis and terrorism in the country ok ill quit mighty good to be uncovered so thank you very much we thank out of time thank you. To to. Even is sure you. Can see it so ill ask you to take them just cats. And see me. Truthfully and can teach you. All frothed german children and their christmas wishes to your christ child. In sistine minutes r. D. W. Be in good shape. Epileptic seizures are often unpredictable. Epilepsy is a credit to the sudden onset. If someone has a seizure have to act quickly. Experts and patients explain what to do. In 90 minutes on d w. And knocked me up. And called me primitive. 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