But home of them dont have to me welcome covert so thank you for having me you have much to say about the violence of the who sees the Human Rights Violations the plans theyve committed but you appear to have almost nothing to say about the shocking casualties and bombings by the Saudi Led Coalition thats killed many thousands of your civilians why is that when thats not accurate actually you know the war is ugly im not. Even going to sugarcoat that for you or for anyone a lot of civilians are dead yes this is this is shocking of a new year the new moves and you know its a big campaign but theres a difference between having human shields like that who these or some mistakes that happen in every conflict and every campaign and the suit is no different but you know that human rights are being massively violated by Coalition Forces but to look the other way which means going to a certain extent your complicity in the social well im not sure what you mean by look at the other way we have this diet which is an investigation body that has investigated over 170 claims we know that some mistakes we prove that there are some mistakes some of the more i want to talk about the United Nations not loads of both but since march 2015 according to Human Rights Watch the coalition has conducted numerous indiscriminate and disproportionate strikes killing thousands of civilians hitting civilian structures in violation of the laws of war but you turn away and you left out how horrible let me put it on record this is horrible killing any civilians in yemen is horrible we want to end this war killing even one life let alone a child which happened even by polish and let me finish so why go on with indiscriminate and disproportionate is it ok this is a big campaign right and theres some mistakes and we approve of we know theres some business more than some when so i think the u. N. Need to investigate more and we know its you know this thousands and thousands of circling and that if theres an airstrike a mistake everybodys reporting a part and they should report a pilot we should hear about it but theres a lot of mistakes that the host is and im not here to talk about the who hes under coalitions having mistakes i want in this war im from san am from those territories my family says that were sick of it and we need to end it and just blaming now the coalition for and for all these will not end the war we need to end it yes we do we want to stop the killing even if they dont. Out of work but why did so many civilians have to die for the sake of saving a chaotic divided government such as yours which barely has legitimacy with the wintry the father with Digital Service legitimacy is not popularity and from a different country than the president but the president is the last effective president 6 and a half 1000000 people elected there were president 2012 for 2 years where he will to use his mandate around his moments i must go to ease and tell that we have a democratic system that we allow this to elect a new president whos going to have is and who decides what a democratic city has. Exactly began many people and who would do that those who would like that ok im not going to allow you or anyone to tell me you have to choose this leader to get you out of this week ok let me if we choose a leader and we need to get out of it we dont want to be there for life thats why we actually have the revolution back in 2011 minutes that the worst thing of the bombings is that in all these years they have proved absolutely futile you have won nothing and the hutus remain unchanged so the catastrophic injuries and deaths among the civilian population because unlike you havent spent a change in the way the coalition has been come back in this war theres no more campaign to actually targets and other cities theyve been sometimes some of the escalations with the who it is and the sudanese renard involve them and then it didnt happen because we know we need to end this what i we need to part how to end this war we you know everything that happens in yemen is a reaction to the who things actions we could be and someone one week if they just do the right thing and theyre i think its not hard to do and why dont we ask them why dont we actually answer that question more than 17000 civilians killed and injured since 2015 the lives were sacrificed for a stalemate proxy war that created the Worlds Largest humanitarian disaster you really believe your government is worth that horrendous human i believe our future is worth the. Fighting not debating with you without you can go the future without crying or i could resign even today not tomorrow you know what if you know the who thiis and pheno their ideology if you know that they want to have this have the medicaid who the as a figure nobody could that lacked buffer zone and then well have a puppet government they want we will not accept that i will not give up the future of my children and their children so you can sleep better at night you know it is my country my people are dead they are dying every day you expect me to just to saddle for any peace that would explode in our face any time in the future no im not going to concede to that with these im from the territories im busy we dont approve what they do and they have to come and park peace soon and we have to actually send them our signals to do that they have these illusions of power that you and others would feed in but as i say theyre called action has to go where the coalition would end if we end the war but not before that if they end if the coalition ends yemen would descend into more chaos its not about me the government or the president how he stays in power is imo still in yemen you talk about the investigations that have gone on into what you term euphemistically mistakes in most cases youre not going to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice are you we know that 3 attacks on civilians several years ago are being referred by investigators for possible prosecution just 3 out of countless bombing strikes that have repeatedly this civilian infrastructure shingles or. Change or let me put it in a should check surely chump change look i let me put it for the record any civilians are dead those responsible wherever they are they should be hold accountable they should be but they will be and you know it fact is previous investigations dont encourage up when we do have our own investigations and when we know what we will some for show 3 well thats what you 2nd and i say come in many many years to get. Started or we could tell us about what you think the facts i mean yes. Civilians are dead this is horrible we do the investigations but we need peace we need peace i mean were talking about having peace and its not easy you know the thing is you want to get away from the subjects numbers to go to now because they did not let me let me just because the national stowage of chicago it means International Justice unfortunately sometimes dont come hand in hand we have to have peace and then wed have Transitional Justice afterwards to get all this done youre the one whos refusing talks with the who thinks thats what you think oh thats what youve said now your ministry of information said it no no no i represent the Foreign Policy we need to park soon however im not going to let the horses get off the hook and who they that we went to sweden and we signed the deed they came back one year they havent done anything to prove it should i just let them go off the hook and then move on no they have to be responsible not destroying your country piece by piece child by piece of a nice gesture by on for a structure that is no road and continue with this humanitarian disaster one is a documented ask in disaster if you think or case and i report let me let me just jump to that why do you think that these are holding it hostage were open it in for internal flights theyre refusing because they want to create this seizure this aggression against them and to hold on to power which they dont have who gave them the right to speak and for and behalf of me on behalf of millions if you have an ease and the use or power and they have this illusion of taking us back before 62 will the minister youve dug in your heels the u. N. Is seeking unconditional talks unconditional talks between you and the movies youve got to your heels and rejected all the talk as didnt i didnt who sense all january the 28th floor minister of information said we categorically reject any talk about negotiation haseks what we said is i am willing to go now to peace or if were going to talk peace however we need to have the right conditions to god are ok the u. S. Wants unconditional talks hala i dont want to go off. R. P. So they could have a good report for the Student Council i want to go and peace to make sustainable peace for yemen and if that group is would sign degrees sign i like what they did in sweden and come back and not implement we should actually hold them accountable for implementing something they dont like your cheery program on going then because you wont sit down and know who that is now and you are setting clinician ask around not going to be met and youre ignoring the advice of this is not a conditions were just were just saying they have to implement what this site is that its really hard to ask we cannot just go on by them signing our course and not implementing anything we you know what we did back in 2014 we had a piece the just a few days after the coup 2 days after the call it was the partnership and Peace Agreement you know what they agreed to be agreed to partnerships but the security measures they never talked about it why arent you talking about that i mean it is that you want me to answer again about would you responsible for most that i understand there are no angels in war but according to International Investigators your forces have nothing to be proud of last year the u. N. Panel of experts on human accused all sides in the war of committing a reflective uses from arbitrary killings to rape and torture with impunity so not only have you not won this war you also lost any claim about 5 moral ground havent you a mind going to claim were angels nobody has we just need to end the 2 and i can tell you its a long way from being in this government government especially aid to those is not arbitrarily deterring forcibly disappeared scores of people well we have no respect for the rule of law we do we do but sometimes its really hard to control everything i can tell you but its not systematic killing of a yemeni people like you want to show it to be you know you keep just talking about 2 sides have you been to yemen have you been to santa have you been to ireland have you been to for dinner and matter of you listen to the people themselves and that you cant just brush everything as as as you know sheer us and they divide as a rich countries fighting a poor country that is not the way to. And this one and we know theres some atrocities happened i mean we are a few you know a few miles from from just that we know what history is like why continue to block a vital goods and fuel from coming into this is a measure of good this is a good question were not actually doing so what we did is were trying to block the Oil Shipments that come from iran to the who the social rights watch are going to be wrong have then the latest report if they say that they said it was Saudi Led Coalitions restriction on imports have worsened the humanitarian center were not sure and let me tell you why if you were you know what we said is what it was opened we were a few kilometers from the port the humanitarian came in the u. N. Says you cant do this we said fine lets go to sweden and we need to change this out of School One Year is nothing habit then we go back to the question the questions that we actually holding for data say this is not true we have reports from the u. N. Power doesnt say that that youre probably not going to mention that shipments of iranian all youre coming with counterfeit documents today for free you know we said by the crew 75 lets just check the papers theyre saying let me just minutes give me just finish and then ill hear you we just said lets just check the papers the papers came there who things hold hostage and asked every mercians not to submit the papers so they could get to phony shipments so whos holding that and then we can see that we never go in a great man is that mr Human Rights Watch is saying that coalition has delayed and diverted fuel tankers closed critical ports and stopped goods from entering who controlled seaport what is the usual thing and i just finished fuel needed to Power Generators to hospitals and pump water to homes has also been having some luck how do you justify preventing the heart of a region aspen as justifying preventing anything in the past 3 months have been more fuel than that and that in the previous 3 months or so you checked the statistics and were talking more than 2 years ago the u. N. High commissioner for human rights big both you and the crew 3 rebels to lets close of food. And to the country all parties to the conflict so the panel of experts on yemen have obstructed the distribution of humanitarian assistance the high commissioner begged you. Have mercy on the people of your mum far as this gone when you are actually doing a lot to show mercy on your own people we give you something you know what i dont like something about the un is that they call everyone when they know exactly whos making the problem let me just give you an example a few days ago they had a meeting in brussels above the charter is that the who these are doing to the humanitarian field you know their want to tax your taxpayers money that comes to yemen so they could steal it and not just to find out where they went to bias against you is 1. 00 of those not more they just want to see in a neutral part they dont want to say ok i am willing to receive any criticism but dont say all the parties tell me what i did wrong and ill fix it but you have to point fingers also at the truth is point a finger at me and also point forward at that with you you cannot just paragraph theyre going of they have pointed chain you live in those are they going to be always clear to them now i know what i do and were trying to struggle in as i said you audio government affiliated forces arbitrarily deterring forcibly disappeared schools of people when you say mistakes happen in war they fancy its not you know i mean we cant i mean give me specifics and we would actually fix them im not saying them where you havent read the report but i have read their own experts yes yes and there are plenty of those areas it was a fine job by as the very 1st report so it is not you have kids and someone being fired was talking about different everybody who violates human rights accuses the that but mostly by just be more specific so we can know what we talk about we have an expert group which is the un. Panel accordingly that is actually following Industry Council that when things are not even let it get to sign up we believe whatever they say and whatever that is not biased we will check if we have mistakes would. Theres another really experts to come from the Human Rights Council the 1st really the 1st report was so by it just took exactly from the propaganda of the who thing and we looked the no we said you cant just have and factual checks you have to check them before you reported and then you can just say you know everyone you limit let me give you some facts 20100 strikes in yemen by the Coalition Forces since the war began an average of 12 attacks a day these attacks have blown up hospitals school buses markets mosques farms bridges factories where no Detention CentersCoalition Air strikes the u. N. Human rights commissioner said in 2017 Coalition Airstrikes continue to be the leading cause of child casualties as well as overall civilian casualties so he didnt know what he was talking about its not rock we leave you i said mission of human rights they have no idea what they saw things that happen and i told you before but you have to be a better leader than most you have to be clear on the report now its a policy of you cant using civilian infrastructure are the privates that incompetent that they cant tell the difference to muffle up in a man weve. Had have and then we can then that we would continue to years later that if you like half your life it will point out for what they are doing we need to make peace we dont want to continue this war and we have to do it a few just weeks ago a few days ago they destructed hospitals its not right but we dont want just to dwell on it we want to know what is now required to make peace and i know what is required to make peace we need to crack the illusions talk at ducking is required on a daily part talking ok this is going to end as a negotiating table otherwise surely it wont be changed and the sooner it gets there the better and the moment you know what it is and preventing those is one in yemen including the who these no one needs to be done we debated it for 100 days in kuwait and you know what happened at the end they changed their mind you know why because they know that they would have. Barry thing if they dont sign and fortunately the International Community especially some party send in the rock singers that maybe if you just hold on to take in yemen hostage you would get a bit of the thats what happened and thats what we need to close the last year as well as fighting the rebels you became embroiled in another civil war this time with forces in the south known as the Transitional Council so not only are you failing to beat the who feels you cant even keep your own side together and you cannot ignore the great react negatively about that if youre also a great record now let me talk about that as a precaution what happened is another complication that is not 12 months of course you know and very want to see the determined to succeed of a competent complication what it is that it wont if its really hard to discuss something without really proper to those just in of where this is actually happening if the s. T. C. Our brothers and the f. C. C. Really really represent all sufferance it would be an easy problem to solve the s. T. C. Have a problem with southrons themselves not with the s. T. C. Is s. T. C. Is just units outside of the control of the government that have been beefing up with another and of evidence and then eventually they decided in august to oust the government from our 2nd capital that cannot happen and we made it clear to the un again they were allowed to have fun and it was only the saudis that patch together the agree i agree you called the riyadh agreement thats not working out there is when it is not working because those are some intransigence and we believe this at least would be a on all sides not and the s. T. C. Sites and we could prove it we have the facts we have the metrics that actually explains what we did but you know we have to pass that youve given away a lot to get the 3 Agreement Term to youve basically given these control over major decisions that your government has taken you say no according to the Carnegie Middle East Center several articles of the riyadh agreement emphasize saudi supervision of this new government both vary and the u. A. E. Will continue. Intervene as they wish in new york in term of that i was there a price for your dream and that is not completely out of the price of the riyadh agreement is to get united so we can pick it back and make peace you know you can just have everything perfection is not really a possible way out in yemen and it is actually the enemy of good and thats what we want to serve our center for strategic studies says that your president hard. To see the southern Transitional Council have accepted that all major government actions because ordinary to by saudi arabia so basically you saw you know that is not true i am the form compass of the society governed thats what you think the foreign minister of yemen and i say a word i believe it is for the ride to the yemenis now with the saudis want to know what the iraqis one network any one wants and thats proven yes we in riyadh we go back to a bit we speak our minds and it is our responsibility and decisions we have in the reality greenman conceded to have some way in actually dealing with the south of the sudanese now that instead of them what are these and we need peace we dont want to fight a war in the northern wall in the south and we know that the ethicists do not represent all the south the whole southrons and that thats an issue too and they have to know that they cannot just continue being outside the form of the government if we if this government is dissolved you would have more chaos in yemen then you would think it is not as easy as you think little last year the saudis actually expelled one of your Government Advisors to the mood because work lead what is your size criticized coalitional out in the sun and then is a diplomat with me he actually came and did something against protocol its not because he still has to do anything they dont expel him his chairman ended and we did it from the office because he actually vitalism of the cause of the diplomatic corps now you cant just politicize everything like this i dont think it is right i dont know if i stay for the whole matter how do you not hes a diplomat who actually didnt actually respect the rule of law can conquer about the rape when what but you could go back to yemen you could be anywhere else we could go back to arabia why not but not as a diplomat it ended. Talk to me about corruption go on in your state because its not enough that theres a huge war the humanitarian disaster seems that the state money is now being siphoned off in corruption scones involving the central bokeh words that are going on at the central bank i read the report which youre referring to now we have from the un poll of experts just yes of course and thats what youre trying to guess you know its talking about and some paragraph thats you know i spoke to the Prime Minister about it weve sacked 2 governors already our books are open Anderson Youngest coming to our them to actually check the books of the central bank its open there we also the boat havent been audited for 6 years i asked the Prime Minister of this report why dont you just let the panel going check the books you know what he said didnt ask to go and check now Anderson Young and come in to check if we have some mistakes if we have some corruption charges we would be ready to act upon them were transparent common check them send them in the team you want to do so we need to end this war we dont want to continue yes theres some corruption im not going to deny it but we need to end it and were willing to crack any cases if you if you just find that i mean just point them at us and we will do so you keep saying you want to in this war do you really believe that a single unitary state is going to emerge from the terminal destruction that you and the other combatants of inflicting on the usa something i think we as yemenis need to know whats the difference between a means to approve something and of course you know im talking about the massive divisions in your am trying to get to that the goal is to raise up the standards of living of the yemeni people unfortunately some camps would actually create the means which is unity Central Government that is as actually their goal which is wrong you know so we gave the Central Government to go it didnt work and the National Dialogue everyone including the who feast of our friends decided on a federal system lets just give it a chance lets just give this for the son the chances. Not all of it quite a lot of it no wives are lauded for all and said so you know the central no longer the last go along and i took the divisions on your Interest Rates and our center there you actually quoted have actually sung paul in the south and not all of them more than 50 percent even 60 percent want to stay in some form of for drug government not not everyone in the south want to secede and even if they know you have a civil war within a civil war thats quite an achievement isnt the its not a civil war than a civil war there were so few skirmishes back in the south and its over now skirmishes that kicked you out of aden yes you know we went through all the asylum issues and yes but now its all over the school who was in the other no Prime Minister just came from adam yesterday and hes gone back now i mean its not like the whole south is turning against the government he checked the south showed what had been in the hedge i mean it is not the case you know the s. T. C. Need to known that they have to cooperate to be part of this government they dont they dont have the backing of all the south and those in the south opposed them more than those in the new serving need to know they have to cooperate they are dead set on well known as a session who said so they did know that is not correct ask ill do as the others who signed the riyadh agreement i mean it is not correct they want to stay and they said so that the south korean issue for them not what we say would come after we finish the war with the hootie and then we can discuss it thats what they say so you know just the facts. Oh peace and you went over and world com and we wanted to come but were not just going to have any peace with the who is you know im not going to give the future of a few men to those who believe that they could just you know he has been and have this divine bye to all of us looked like they do in iraq were not going to accept that they need to know that they could share power that they could not get to do it with guns facing and you know pointing in our face more color. On what thats very much being more thank you so much for this particular discussion. Hundreds off gives in the night clubs. Where i come from roger remains an import fountain soft transmitting mules and form ish and when i was young my concert was in the drawer which conflicts the war throb enough to keep most people would cause a lot of entourage to see if. It was my job to tour in one of the not just logical sites sold out everyone in the column cold and listen to those updates he says. 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