Representatives of some countries to tell it, or the kremlin, that is, about what was happening in jedi. And this format of consultations without russia will later turn into a format. Perhaps even negotiations with russia are unlikely. Putin will not sit down. Well, it is already obvious, and i think that here i should even doubt this, yes, the countries of the south can be western, yes , yes. Continue , because i understood that now is the time for a commercial break. Thats why you see, er, this is also we have to er, well, take into account on this side, so that again there are no extraordinary expectations and from the next consultations from the site itself , because if by then, er, the spine is not er broken of the russian army in ukraine this the summit will again not give practical results, so the position of many countries of the world will be consolidated. This will give the opportunity to pass several resolutions to the Un General Assembly, which will be very important for the creation of an International Tribunal for crimes in russia. Russian crimes about russianism and so on and so forth, but if by that time Russian Troops remain on at least 10 square meters of ukrainian land, this will not mean that we have fulfilled at least part of its main task is to punish russia, thats why we have to come out of it and, again, not think that everyone will gather around the same table , without russia, or with russia, i rule out such an option in principle, except when signing the act of surrender uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, meetings, such meetings, other than purely political significance, which can then be transformed into some kind of, well, accept us documents it seems to me that it will be like this well, it will be purely political, because from our point of view, as you repeatedly say about it, our main goal is to break the spine of this creature. In these consultations, apart from, of course, our closest partners and allies , they want to agree on something. Therefore, the decision will be some kind of purely political, and will it be, well, in one word, i saw that even you clarified something. Not only our countries of the global rooster they want to negotiate. Unfortunately, some politicians in the west also want to negotiate, and this is also a big problem, so i think we need to solve this issue as it was solved by the cruiser moscow, by the crimean bridge, by chingar, by others, by these big ones. Landing ships, etc. , etc. , etc. , these are steps to solve the problem, political steps. This is also very important, but they are following these steps, and i think that we just need to keep it in our heads as uh well, the main conclusion of what is happening diplomats will write everything correctly later, but for them to write correctly, we need to have what we really need on the ground, and it is true. Yes, mr. Volodymyr, now we are going for a short advertisement, stay with us, this is what i am saying , i am going to mr. 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M. Not espresso dad was a wartime defender defender so were back live we i mean the world at war program well before i continue with mr. Volodymyr ogrysky, i want to ask everyone who watched us on a special Youtube Channel specially created for our program, please come back. We are already on the air. If you read it, you start to come back to it. Thank you all. Come back like this. Well, i will continue with mr. Volodymyr. He was not present at the consultations. Well, in general, the representative of china not only treated, but was not in copenhagen in june, now he has come so from the message that was posted on the website of the ministry of Foreign Affairs under heaven , it can be understood that china once again in the national at these consultations its initiative peacefully, which consists of 12 points, but so that the very presence of the liguei in these consultations is not represented there. She can tell us about something , literally one more small line on what we finished before the commercial break. So i read in this in this couple of minutes i really it seems to be Important Information that andrii saplienko has now posted in his telegram channel, that the key parliamentary factions of the bundestag have agreed on the decision that it is necessary to transfer longrange taurus missiles to ukraine. The conditions that the diplomats will then write correctly with china or without china, but now i return to your question about the representative of the prc well, lets proceed from the fact that china in this situation is definitely an ideological ally of russia, do we want that whether we want to or not, but they are very similar in their ideological nature of the regime that one is different and therefore they are definitely allies , another matter is that china, despite its current economic power, is in one way or another interconnected with the economies of europe and north america and uh, this interconnectedness does not give him the opportunity to do everything he wants without paying attention to the consequences, the consequences can be quite sad for him, and now we see two trends, the first trend is that in the west they realized that just like that we are nothing more we will not give china and this concerns first of all technology and the second thing is political, they determined it in the west. I mean that china will be for the west in the near future, the next decade, the main challenge, in other words , a threat. And this is from its own side draws very serious conclusions and china cannot fail to understand this, so it seems to me that he is now, as he has done repeatedly in the past, he will continue to balance between his ideological friend and the measure that is economically for him important and here i am just such reasons, i would talk about the arrival of the chinese representative to this meeting, well, actually, about these 12 points of china , they have been talking for a long time, there is nothing special about them , this is not a specific plan of action. And this is a list of theses that are copied from in fact, the un charter with some amendments and so on, so there is really nothing extraordinary there, and if china wants to demonstrate that it is really changing its position, then it should officially and publicly declare what we consider the main prerequisite for the end of the war to be the removal of russian words with ukrainian territory, Everything Else will be discussed after that. Well, unfortunately there is no such application for vaccinations, of course, the positive is that he came and it is already very good, but you can come and sit down and be silent, you can come sit down and repeat what you said a long time ago, that is, uh i would again rush into assessments that this is our crazy victory and so on. This is a step forward, this is a good step, it is true, but to talk about the fact that chinas position has changed, well , it is again giving away the desired by the action , well, really, thank you, mr. Volodymyr, for that what have you made corrections to the titles in our program, as you see in us, it is already the first time that we are meeting in saudi arabia, because it is not ourselves, as we understood, mr. Volodymyr explained it not by ourselves. This is just a consultation meeting, that is why we have a meeting in saudi arabia and we close everything with the last question to close this meeting in saudi arabia. Please tell me, in september, in september , there will be a Un General Assembly in new york , can we expect something from this General Assembly , considering all these meetings that were before including this meeting in saudi arabia, or will there be something at this genosembly . Yes, mr. Yuryu, in september , heads of state and government traditionally gather for about a week, when this highlevel format takes place, and they present their vision of that what is happening in the world, this is a very important platform for the exchange of opinions, because there, just as we were talking about this meeting in saudi arabia, during the week you can hold, well, several tens of uh, bilateral meetings, which is a very convenient format and uh, not needs some additional preparatory efforts , it is done quickly and quite efficiently. So, i think that our delegation should still be headed by the president , despite the understandable situation here at home, but i it seems that these cannot be left out, they provide much more than many bilateral meetings when they are spread out, so to speak can not talk about er, so to speak, ideas er of our diplomats, they are there, i know they are very , it seems to me, er, they should be productive , they will help us promote ideas about er , russias responsibility for what er, she er and those who lead this country today will suffer a welldeserved punishment for what they are doing today in ukraine and maybe also what they did before that in other regions of the world so that the promotion there will be promotion. It seems to me that promotion will help such a meeting just now took place in saudi arabia because this is also er, well, in fact, well, a certain kind of educational activity er for the same er segment where we are not yet too strongly represented, and therefore i think that the er result will definitely be only political, there can be no practical results because russia will block any decision of the Un Security Council which is binding and which it considers to be not in its interests , that s why we have to live in this kind of situation. The empire of the dissolution of volodymyr a please tell me the information that you said, which you said that you cant give details about. May i ask . It may be related to the creation of a special tribunal or preparations for the creation of a special tribunal , is it somehow related to this or not . Help us in this regard to promote the very idea of seeing and on this issue, some of our western partners are still hesitating and want to make another one or another hybrid beast so that it is both ukrainian and international i think this is a bad idea and just the promotion. In this regard, through the adoption of relevant resolutions of the genome assembly, it would help the idea of creating a specialized, well, like the nurpin tribunal, to advance further , so i think that somewhere this direction will be one of the most important. Well, yes, now lets give one more question that i am interested in the future of the grain initiative, look here, then go to erdogan, they have already announced that their meeting will take place in the last week of august, there will be a lot to talk about, even erdogan offered to become a peacemaker again and offer a solution of his own way, er, well, he calls it the conflict in ukraine, but ok, lets not talk about the war , lets talk about the grain initiative. Will convince, but will our main directorate of intelligence of the Security Service of ukraine, which is now doing such interesting things in the black sea , will they convince putin to return to this grain initiative, or is it not even necessary to convince him now, i just heard the opinion that even without russias consent, the grain will go from ukraine, what is this big , this program, called the grain initiative, consists of two parts. As we know, one part of ukraine is turkish onivsk, the other is the same russian, turkish vanivsk. We and russia do not intersect, that is, russia actually broke the agreement not between us and russia, but between it and turkey and the un, so let them figure it out for themselves, uh, whether they will restore it or not restore it , we have enough of their problems, as we now see ways to ensure that uh ukrainian grain went from our ports to the world grain market. How can it be done in the same way quite simply and clearly . And of course, it is necessary to ensure that our western partners stop observing and do what is necessary in such cases, help us accompany our dry cargo ships with their military fleet offered another option , the sbu and our valiant naval forces simply closed six russian ports and showed what will happen to those civilian ships that transport military cargo, they will follow the cruiser moscow, but i think a combination of these two things will give us the opportunity to do our business without regard to whether erdogan and putin have agreed or not, whether the hotel will call putin or not. These are also their problems. We must think about itself, but to let russia understand that its attempts to turn the black sea into its internal erer are fantasies er, er, you know that erer well, like when they said drunken ugar from the same medvedev there or putin from whom i dont know more which which will pass and they will understand that this will not happen, thats why we need to look at these things here. It seems to me that it is as primal as possible to negotiate with our nato allies, first of all, with bulgaria and romania about er, corresponding er corridors along their territorial waters, by the way, which is quite realistic if er work in this direction and ignore any cries from the side er, moscow well, it seems to me in a different way that we will not move forward, it will want to restore it later he doesnt want his history with turkey and the un, its his right, well, hes worse off, and thats right, volodymyr. Well, the last thing id like to talk to you about today is, please, tell me. European countries, well, in particular , poland, lithuania, are bringing troops to the border with belarus, because they consider the wagnerites, who are now registered there in belarus, to be a serious threat, and in your opinion, in your professional opinion , the wagnerites can pose a serious threat to these two countries, well, obviously no , how can there be 10,000 people, although there are even less than 9 po mine or i see a number somewhere uh, to be a threat to the nato country well, i know that, well, i just dont imagine well, come on, well, they went to attack poland, 9,000 people, well, im sorry, there will be no feathers left if they react not with concerns and observations. A couple of missiles flew into polish airspace and landed on these two helicopters, and they landed forever, so i think that the topic of such things has fallen off the agenda. Well, i remind her all the time about the situation that happened. With a big putins friend erdogan, who shot down a Russian Military plane, from that moment on, not a single plane even comes close to appearing over turkey, the truth is, because everyone understood how it all happens, how it will be, if this is done, and by the way, it was a nato country, that is, and strangely enough, the third world war did not start for some reason because putin quickly understands the place that has been assigned to him, but unfortunately, our western partners are still for some reason delicate with him and do not want to show him his place and where is his assigned place and where is his the reserved place the place reserved for him in the court of chamberlains is clear and it is in fact and lets have another two minutes, but regarding these wagners, i would ask this question on the other hand, because as far as i have read the polish press, in particular, they are afraid that the wagnerites will be to help the belarusian Border Guards let Illegal Migrants pass en masse, and maybe even disguise themselves as migrants and pass through the territory of poland. And doing all kinds of things there, it can be absolutely, it can only be some kind of provocation at the same time, such a provocation is petty, er, insignificant. Well, there have already been attempts to flood europe with refugees from countries there with arabic education and so on across the belarusianpolish border. They reggae and then uh, as they say, desire will quickly uh, stay somewhere, thats why i dont think that the wagnerites in belarus are something serious. Thank you, mr. Volodymyr. Thank you, as always, for a meaningful and interesting conversation. Thank you for answering all my questions. It was Volodymyr Ogrysko minister of Foreign Affairs of ukraine in 20072009, we talked about a lot of things and i got a lot of interesting professional answers. Well, now i only have to sum up the results of todays program, so. First of all , i need to go to youtube because there will be oh, how many comments, i will read all the comments after , obviously , after the program ends, so now we are watched on a special channel created for the program, we are the world during the war, 1506 people, i thank you all profusely i would also like to thank all those who watch on the general espressov Youtube Channel and those who watch us on the air where we have not been turned off. Thank you. We work for you. We create such programs. So 157 people and 225 people answered the question i asked today i put the result during the aa program. In saudi arabia , 24 of those who answered believe that this is the first end of the war , and 38 believe that it is a truce, and 37 consider your option. Well , if you are interested in how i answered, then i answered your version. No, just like mr. Volodymyr ogrisko eh said well, the results are just consultations that will not lead to anything. We even changed the names in the notebook that it was just a meeting in saudi arabia, but as we understood the meeting is extremely important for us and extremely important for our partners and allies in order to approach other meetings where this issue will be resolved with some common denominator, and there may be enough of such meetings, but not many, but there may not be one because, as mr. Volodymyr ogrysko said, on such important questions it is simply impossible to solve such important problems at such a single meeting. Well, a huge thank you to our partners and allies for organizing this meeting, and in particular saudi arabia, which volunteered to hold it on its territory, it is very, very important for us, so whats up with that i will say goodbye to you little by little, since the time allocated for me is running out today, but we will meet as usual next week, next monday at your usual time at approximately 1 10 p. M. , we will meet on the air at the tv channel espresso they didnt turn it off, and of course we will meet on youtube, there will be new guests , there will be new topics, but it will all be interesting as always. Well, my name is yuri fizer,