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Dear friends, we return to the ether and continue to talk about all kinds of international topics, which, of course, relate to ukraine in one way or another, because ukraine is not an isolated country in this world, and any processes that take place in Different Countries have. Impact on us oleksandr samarskyi, a diplomat and an expert at the Russian Research center, will help us understand what is happening now in the caucasus. Mr. Oleksandr, we congratulate you. Mutually, in fact, mr. Alexander, if we speak, we see now what is happening in karabash, and for sure humanely, and not only humanely, but since millions of ukrainians themselves are now forced migrants, we humanely feel very sorry for the armenians who are forced now, more than 1,000, thats what the numbers seem to call, to leave their homes from this region , do they go forever, and how, in principle, what is the Historical Context that we need to understand . What is happening now in karabash is really a big tragedy and it is really a big humanitarian disaster, people are leaving this area, the region and the places where they are many was born, where their parents are buried, most likely they leave for a long time, for a very long time, but it is already very difficult to solve or prevent this situation at the moment. There has not been a single frozen, territorial conflict in the last 50 years, resolved by diplomatic means, therefore, if we want to restore our territorial integrity, we must rely primarily on strength, we are not here to be scornful in our situation, of course we are defenders of their homeland, and the situation in karavas, it is much more complicated, and there is, well, we can say, at least a centuryold hatred there. Between the two peoples, i think that azerbaijan, renewing its territorial integrity, made a certain mistake. Most likely, president aliyev did not, did not count on such a step on the part of the armenian population, although it was absolutely logical, just like in our country, knowing that the russians will capture or capture this or that place. The city, the majority of the population would leave it for him, because we we know what the Russian Occupation is, in the same way, with the much stronger interethnic hatred that exists between, unfortunately , azerbaijanis and armenians, people were, of course, very scared. I think that the mistake was that the events of 1990 were incorrectly interpreted somewhere in 19911992, the fact is that at that time karabakh was also completely surrounded by azerbaijani troops, and people were not allowed to leave the region and were forced them, as i can now judge, as the karabakhs judged it, forced them to very active resistance, remaining in place, which in the end. With the help, with the help of russia, with the help of armenia, helped the karabakh people to win in the socalled second karabakh war. Now, azerbaijan seems to have followed the same principle, this blockade, which was organized, in which there was no need, it not only scared people, it showed them that the region should be left, although azerbaijan probably expected that people, just like 25 years ago, or how many years ago, almost 25, will remain in place, this did not happen, and this has now given rise to president aliyev has a lot of international problems, we already know the resolution of the European Parliament condemning the actions of azerbaijan, there will be accusations of ethnic cleansing, although , to be honest, i would also look for moscows hand in all these events, because karabakh is a very russified place since soviet times, many the armenians with whom i had the opportunity to communicate there even spoke russian a little better than armenian, that is, education was as always under the union, primarily in russian, in russian. Accordingly, russias influence there has always been great, and thanks to that the help that was constantly provided in armenia before the war, the war against azerbaijan, that is why i think that the region and the leadership structures were saturated with people from the former even the kgb, and this is a fact, the current fsb and to start the public, sow panic and force it. To a sudden exit under fear, its very simple, and with such a step, if russia was behind him, and i say again , i think it was, it was possible to kill him. Two birds with one stone, so to speak, to create problems for azerbaijan, foreign and domestic for pashinyan, since 100,000 for armenia is a very large number of refugees, especially since, i repeat again, a large part of them are prorussian by choice, as it will be , lets see, armenia itself is now much less russianminded than it used to be, because russia betrayed armenia more than once and in the second karabakh war, and in these events, so we will see what happens here and how it will prevail and whether armenia will surrender, in particular , withstand the economic pressure from russia, which will surely begin, one or another, i hear, paneslan, nevertheless, when we all saw recently this week footage of how azerbaijan attacked, including a Russian Military base, for example. As we saw that the deputy, for example, of the command of these peacekeepers was killed there, the russian , the various circumstances there are not fully understood, but it is difficult to imagine that azerbaijan would allow itself to attack the russian army, literally a couple of years ago, or is that all is it the geopolitical defeat of the russian federation, what is happening now in karabakh . Well, i ll allow myself to disagree with you a bit here, because it was just two years ago or so almost three, azerbaijan calmly attacked the russian army, remember, a couple of helicopters were shot down, then right there in this place, i do not mean the events with the plane in syria, from this very place, well, aliyev apologized, putin, but when putin was generally worried about the victims among the russian population, like with this submarine, how we always mention kursk when asked what happened, but it just sank. Well, they were killed, well, well, well , what of this, you understand, there is no great tragedy here, and zrybaijan apologized again, it could have been, absolutely could have been military mistake, well, they killed a russian, im not afraid to be too cynical, the more russian soldiers accidentally die in karabash and accidentally die in this conflict, the better for us, so god forbid. Uh, nevertheless, does russia still control the situation there to the end, does it not mean that turkey, i dont know, the usa is much stronger in the region now, and so on. Russia no longer controls the situation in the region, from my point of view in general, russian interests are of no interest to anyone there, because russia has actually lost the levers of influence on the region. These vases of influence there were several the nagornokarabakh conflict itself, where russia was one. The three main mediators were shuttle diplomacy, which did not end in anything, the military bases that are on the territory of armenia, and the peacekeeping contingent that is in the 20th year, was introduced on the territory of azerbaijan, all shared borders, armenia, she was lucky with russia there are no other means, so to speak. Influence, and we know that the main political, military and political means of influencing russia are frozen conflicts, and of these conflicts, it spread itself around the entire border, one way or another, we see transnistria, this is ukraine, this is under ossetia, this same abkhazia, on the kaz in kazakhstan , nazarbayev managed to strangle this one at one time. The conflict is in the bud, so to speak, together with yeltsin to come to an agreement, but the tension persists and so on and so forth, only the economic influence is left, but i hope that here armenia will manage to establish normal relations with turkey after all, this is issue number one for her alone, and she always has good friendly relations with iran, and on she may be able to count on the help of these countries in this difficult situation, especially since armenia is currently ready to sign a peace agreement, now we are waiting for azerbaijans response. Armenia has once again confirmed the territorial integrity of azerbaijan in those borders that existed at the time of the disintegration of the soviet union , thats how it is, well, at the very end, we may not have a minute left, there are a lot of active. Even our viewers, they comment that ukraine sufficiently manifests its position here, it will be considered in the un, armenia filed a complaint. I understand that we are in a difficult situation, on the one hand, azerbaijan is ours now, well, it seems like a situational one for sure. Ally, in this confrontation, on the other hand, it is an authoritarian regime, a muslim , after all, a country, er, armenia, we have a large armenian diaspora, what would be the correct position of ukraine regarding this conflict, if we have to, for example, vote somewhere in the oon and so on, i dont think the first thing is that were going to have to vote in oon somewhere, uh, because its the issue that will now be. Considered, it was brought to the meeting of the un security council, and we are not even temporary members of the un security council, as for the un general assembly, ukraine has always voted for the territorial integrity of azerbaijan there, unlike, among other things, azerbaijan and armenia, armenia in various international structures, their representatives often spoke antirussian. Those positions in defense of ukraine, than azerbaijan in the international, various international communities, it is enough to take and review who cast how many votes to the same council of europe, when russia was still there, and azerbaijans territorial integrity is now recognized, even imprisoned, i dont see big problems here, political and moral support, ukraine provides, the most, most likely, we are not capable, our president met with poshinyan great, we have to push the dining countries to peace, to ensure that this peace is stable, the more stable the peace there, the more headaches in russia, how to break it all, it is easier for us there, somewhere like this, somewhere like that, thank you very much for these clarification, its a bit late it will be clearer what is happening, i hope in this difficult region, oleksandr samarskyi, diplomat and expert of the Russian Research center was with us, we are going for a short break with you and after it maziar, mian, nezalezhnyi. 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Ah, first of all, as an iranian, i want to express my condolences to all the families of those killed in israel, and i want to say that israel is one of the few countries that. Supported the iranian people in their movement and against the Iranian Regime in the revolution, woman life freedom, last years protests in iran, ah, israel supported this movement, and i think that today many iranians, ah, those who oppose the islamic regime in iran, today they are on the side of israel, ah, and why is iran official iran, when we say iran, it is necessary to understand very clearly what needs to be divided the Islamic Republic, the regime of the mullahs from the iranian people, and yes, there was a Statement Today by the advisor, the leader of the Islamic Republic, that iran supports hamas, this is not news, iran always supported hamas, starting with the arrival of the Islamic Republic of 1979, iran has always supported all terrorist organizations that opposed israel, including hamas and hizballah in lebanon, and fatah , a group that existed even before the appearance of hamas, so this is not news, these are radical islamists who support their pocket terrorists in the region, so for me this is not news, this is. By law, mr. Mozyar, i will ask about this, it seems to me that for ukrainians, since ukraine not so long ago got, regained its independence, in fact, statehood, 30 years, this is not such a long period, in many ways we are only groping for some kind of relations with various peoples, countries, and it seems to me that a few years ago most ukrainians were quite indifferent to iran, now everything has changed because of those the shahedis themselves, thats what we already call them. Those drones were originally, at least, of iranian production, and the fact that iran probably helped russia with weapons in this war, and even today polls show that ukrainians place iran somewhere in the second or third place among the biggest enemies ukraine, after russia, there and somewhere china sometimes competes, in your opinion, do the iranians have the same attitude towards ukraine, or is ukraine also considered an enemy state now . Absolutely not, during the protests that were against the Iranian Regime in iran and throughout europe , in berlin, in los angeles, we saw a lot of ukrainian flags, the ukrainian diaspora actively participated in iranian rallies against the Iranian Regime, so the ukrainian people need to be very clear understand and separate the iranian people from the Iranian Regime, because the iranian people have also been fighting this regime for many years, this regime kills not only ukrainians with their martyrs, but also israelis with their rockets, who go either to russia or to hamas, and they kill their own people inside iran, so the people in iran are clearly разделяеtся еtи конtакtы моменtы, many times the iranian diaspora has shown that it stands by ukraine and there have been many rallies in europe and america in support of ukraine together with the iranian diaspora of the ukrainian diaspora. More than two flew to israel today. Thousands of rockets, and now they are finding out whose rockets they are, where hamas came from, how many of them were collected, in your opinion , could there have been irans help in this and in this, unequivocally, iran has always financially helped hamas, as far as it was possible, they helped with weapons, through underground the tunnels that passed through. From the western part of the jordan river to the gas sector the Islamic Republic supplied the hamas group, this was always the case, but most of the rockets that flew towards israel today are homemade rockets that were developed and manufactured precisely in the kaza sector, because. Eh, yes, indeed, there is an opportunity, eh, to surrender, to transfer some kind of weapon, but it is very limited, because the kaza sector is surrounded on all sides either by israeli lands or by the sea, which is mostly is under the control of israel, but there is no doubt about the fact that there is support from iran, eh, today immediately after news that hamas has carried out this attack, in iran, in the mezhlis of the Islamic Republic, where the deputies are sitting, authoritarian, the regime of iran, they they chanted, the death of israel, and that israel will be destroyed, i posted this video on my telegram channel, i think, if you want, you can also show it, so what we have in common between the countries is that last year the award one ukrainian woman, our matviychuk, received the peace prize, and today, this peace prize went to an iranian woman, and the cenar muhamadi , who, by the way, is a human rights defender, whom we know received 31 years of imprisonment and 154 lashes, eh, its hard imagine that and she is still in prison, tell us a little more about this woman, who she is, what she is, and what this signal is. From the world for the iranian government . First of all, this is a very significant event, when the Nobel Commission chose nargets mohammadi, the nobel prize laureate, peace, which means that this big event shows that the whole world supports the iranian revolution, which began last year with the death of maksai mina, and the world does not only. Heard, not only saw, but is beginning to understand that it is necessary to support the Iranian Opposition in the fight against the regime, and it is necessary, and peace is beginning to take steps in order to support iranian women, the Iranian Opposition, its very good, it s a very positive step, and events, i think that, as far as Narges Mohammadi is concerned, she really has a lot to do with islam. But you need to understand that there are many others, both women and men , who are in prisons in iran today, and this is tumat saleh, and this is a very famous iranian rapper, who in his clip, one of the last, supported ukraine in the war between russia and ukraine, and he appeared in the clip, he walks with the flag of ukraine, he is in iran. He was in prison today, under tortured, and is in the prison of the Islamic Republic, there are many other women who are in the prisons of the Islamic Republic, i think that as the Iranian Opposition noted, the choice of Narges Mahammadi is indeed the choice of all iranian women, and who from the first days of the arrival of the Islamic Republics their struggle against this islamic regime, and the first protest, many do not know that the first time women came out to protest against the islamic regime, a month after the Islamic Revolution in 799, a day after hijab was declared mandatory in iran, millions of women took to the streets to protest,