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Of soviet calibers 152 and 122, well , we are also currently developing the production of pasiv. Thank you for enabling. Denis popovovich, a military analyst, a guest of our broadcast, we analyzed the latest statements about the war and about the war in our broadcast. There is one more topic that we would like to tell you about, and it concerns the actual production of weapons. Ukraine and germany registered a joint defense enterprise. Rain metal and ukroboronprom intend to jointly produce armored vehicles, ukrainian Prime Minister denys shmehal announced this at the germanukrainian Business Forum in berlin. More details of this topic at materials of my colleague olena abramovych. This is a landmark event for ukraine and europe, as Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal described the opening of a joint germanukrainian defense enterprise while speaking at a Business Forum in berlin. A joint venture was registered in kyiv. On october 18, shmmil brought the Registration Certificate to present to his german colleague olaf scholz. The newly created company is a daughter of leading enterprises in the field of defense in two countries, german rain metal and ukroboronprom. Initially, these will be repairs works of german equipment, which today is located on the boyu field in ukraine, but in the future, of course, these will be joint productions. E, whose brand will be german quality and ukrainian endurance during this war. The company will be based in kyiv and will work exclusively in ukraine. In the long term, it is planned that jointly developed military systems will also be exported from ukraine. The german chancellor called on businesses to invest more actively in ukrainian industry. Anyone who invests in ukraine now is investing. In the future member state of the European Union, which will become part of our legal order and our internal market. Earlier , president volodymyr zelskyi stated that ukraine is ready to offer special conditions to companies wishing to develop defense production. At that time, general director ryn metal positively assessed the plans to make the next generation of Panther Tanks in ukraine. Some French Companies are also interested in such cooperation. So neksster, the manufacturer of the caesar selfpropelled howitzer, is looking for a partner to create a technical joint Venture Service in ukraine. In august , sweden also signed an intention to cooperate in the defense field with ukraine. In the future, kyiv wants to focus on the production of armored vehicles, ammunition and drones within the country in order to ensure its security more stably in the long term. Olena abramovich, marok hajduk, radio svoboda. You are watching the freedom of mornings project. And dont miss such topics on our broadcast. The right of military personnel to vote and nominate. The right of refugees to vote, Holding Elections for the temporarily occupied territories, financing of the election process and free access to the media. These five problems were outlined by the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine, ruslan stefanchuk, during the crimean platform summit in prague, speaking about the possibility of elections in ukraine. The results of the first day of the summit, the official one, namely its opening, are further in the program. In addition, qatar is involved in the return of ukrainian children who were illegally taken to russia, this is a topic that we will also discuss, this information was officially confirmed earlier in the office of the ukrainian obutsman, president Volodymyr Zelensky also thanked the emir of qatar for his cooperation, why qatar and how this country will contribute to this process, lets talk, wait. In the comments under the broadcast , comment on dating, share this video with your friends, subscribe to the Youtube Channel of Radio Liberty, and write where you are watching us from, in particular, if you have it now. The participants of the crimean platform summit in prague adopted the final resolution. Peoples deputy of ukraine maria mezintsep reports this in a declaration, in particular. Condemn illegitimate referendums and elections on the occupied territories of ukraine, the abduction of ukrainian children, political persecution in crimea and the blockade of sea ports, and they also call on the parliaments of the world to recognize the genocide of the Crimean Tatars. My colleague Sashko Shevchenko should join our broadcast at this moment, we are waiting to connect with him, there is sashko, congratulations to sashko, in fact, this is how the crimean platform completed its First Official day, and this is already the second day, in fact, yesterday was, taking into account the fact that before that there were still dinners at the representatives, please outline the main messages that sounded during this the summit, congratulations oleg, so there was a lot of talk, as you already mentioned, that crimea is ukraine , of course, and indeed in this final declaration they mentioned what they called on, the parliaments of the participating countries to recognize and recognize the actions of russia in crimea as genocide of the Crimean Tatars, they already talked about it in those, lets say, in full voice, they didnt come, ruslan stefanchuk, in particular, said that one of the achievements of this summit is that the participating countries started talking not about aid to ukraine, so much as long as it takes, what we are used to hearing already are ready to help ukraine precisely for the victory of ukraine, it was really clearly articulated, this was said, in particular, by the cohost of this summit, the speaker of the lower house of the czech parliament, Marketa Pekarova adamova, and actually, let me remind you that this was the second. Parliamentary summit, the first was held in zagreb, now in prague, and concluding the discussion, Ruslan Stepanchuk said that there will be a third summit and he hopes that it will be in crimea, well , these are the statements that soon crimea can be liberated and come back under control of kyiv, were also repeated, in particular, the minister of Foreign Affairs of the czech republic, jan lipavsky, spoke about this, he explained, so to speak, his statement that his vacation in crimea is approaching, he said that he shares the opinion that if moscow stops to control crimea, then, accordingly, it will never again be able to threaten any of its neighbors and generally destabilize security in europe, and that is why he wants to return to crimea, and not for the sake of tourism, as such, not for the sake of beautiful mountains or bagchisrai palace, and i am quoting jan lipavskyi, precisely in order to return to crimea as part of free, democratic ukraine. There was also a lot of talk about Volodymyr Zelenskyis peace formula, and many of the delegates mentioned it in their speeches. Let me remind you that at the end of the month there should be a third summit on the peace formula in malta, and the peace formula was mentioned by Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself when he joined the summit of the crimean platform, he, like again, the speaker of the lower house of the czech parliament, spoke about , which is also one of the tasks of the crimean platform not to let the world forget about the occupation of crimea and that russias great aggression began precisely with aggression , and finally, i want to say that approximately 70 parliamentary delegations took part, which is also a record, i am listening, so great, thank you very much for such a short analysis, in fact of the most important messages, we will continue to discuss this topic on our broadcast, Sashko Shevchenko, rfe rls correspondent from prague, about the situation with the second summit of the crimean platform, which, as sashko reminded, was attended by about 70 delegations from different countries. It svoboda ranok, a project about important things and, as i announced, we continue to talk about the crimean platform, the second summit that took place in prague, czech republic, the first took place before that in zagreb and now to our broadcast, we will also include the participant of this summit, yevhennia kravchuk , people s deputy of ukraine, servant of the people faction, joins our broadcast, good morning, ms. Yevhennie, thank you for finding the opportunity, well, actually. If you can say so, the biggest profit of this, the summit of the crimean platform in prague is for you, thats what you are you can highlight, in particular, from what was heard, voted, adopted in the resolution, and what, in fact, it is possible that the tatat was discussed outside the official meetings, well, in fact, since the 22nd year, well, after the fullscale invasion, there was a danger that the topic of crimea would be in the shadows, so it will be in the shadows and in the end, well, there will be much greater hostilities and attacks, but this did not happen, and it is very good that during the fullscale invasion, on the contrary, the crimean platform, as an international platform, received even better development, greater development, because indeed, this is already the second parliamentary summit, if you compare it with last years in zagreb, there are even more delegations this year, and i noticed because i was at both summits. Worked, noticed that the number of representatives of the socalled global south had increased, and the loudest applause was interrupted by the representative of sierra leone. Country from west africa, who spoke very sincerely, and, well, of course, sierra leone has no money there, no missiles, as he said, but there is our solidarity and we are a small, well, a small country there, we will not be silent, because this is an unjust war, and crimea is ukraine, so it is not that it is impossible to silence a separate one there , and russia, on the contrary, if we compare even with the inaugural summit, which took place at the level of governments, president s of the 21st year in kyiv, there are no statements now and there are only words that it is necessary to return crimea diplomatically, the participants agree that the instrument for the return of crimea should be chosen by ukraine itself, and we, in my opinion, are getting closer to the deoccupation of crimea, even compared to the 24th february 22, as it were it is not surprising, it did not sound controversial, and again, unconditional results, Volodymyr Zelenskyy spoke about it, about the fact that ukraine actually provides itself, i apologize for taftology, the security of the black sea and, the grain corridor, because since september the month has already 50 ships leave ukrainian ports, mainly with grain, with food, they go along the western part of the black sea, at the same time as the black sea fleet, it gathered there closer to sevastopol, but already near sevastopol it is not restless, they are already they are thinking of building a base somewhere in the district occupied georgia in abkhazia. Ms. Yevhenni, continuing the topic of the return of crimea itself, this is a very important nuance, i asked ms. Maria, your colleague, about this yesterday, and it was not yet clear at the time, because such conversations in tettet had not yet taken place, you said that the participants of this summit, they have an understanding that they are going. An understanding to ukraine that it is kyiv that should determine which way, with which instrument to actually return crimea. And as you felt, how many still remain, i dont know, there are supporters, lets call it, or those who simply supports the idea that crimea will still have to be returned through diplomatic means, perhaps from the position of ukrainian forces, when the armed forces of ukraine will have complete superiority at the front and will be there, there will be no negotiations, but is there much among the representatives of those countries that participated in those summits, i am still rather inclined. To believe that crimea should be returned through diplomatic means, well, i would like to answer this in a slightly different way, how does the perception of the occupation of crimea change after the 22nd year, the absolute overwhelming majority delegations, by the way, the speaker of the lower house of the parliament also spoke about it, i spoke the president of the czech republic, they evaluate the worlds reaction to the annexation of crimea in a completely different way. Everyone admits that this reaction was insufficient, and it actually freed his hands, well, lets say, it did not stop putin from further war, from seizing, and there an attack on other territories of ukraine, therefore, well, in fact, a rethinking of the actions of the world 14th year, it helps us to promote the idea that crimea is not different in any way. Ah, than, in there occupied berdyansk, for example, yes, is luhansk and donetsk occupied, yes, everyone said that we, well, of course, that there is this platform, but it is about the territorial integrity, the complete territorial integrity, of ukraine, because russia has this propaganda narrative that its there, the plates of land, there, it means something else, and, by the way , its good that they spoke, now. Show them, they are two experts, two ukrainians, who are citizens of ukraine, who are representatives of the indigenous people, the Crimean Tatars and the ethnic minority, the greeks, who lived in crimea, well 2,000 years, there, if not more, and it is important to dispel these narratives, that actually, there is a crimean state there in the form of the crimean tatar khanate, it existed there for hundreds of years, and russia. Actually came there after the crimean war, well, that is this is actually the occupation of crimea, yes by the russian empire, then, they all tried, all the same, but we are in the soviet union, we are all one people, there are also soviet people and so on, and here is such a platform for communication, it is very important, because there are many world leaders, they are especially there understands that story, who was where, i have to interrupt you, because there are still two important questions. To which we would also like to hear an answer, the negotiations on ukraines accession to the European Union should begin even though kyiv does not control its entire territory as of now, the vicepresident of the European Parliament said, so when can we expect. The start of these negotiations, perhaps something has become clearer precisely as a result of the crimean platform and what you can share with us, well, first of all, the final declaration includes support for the european integration of ukraine and accession to the European Union, and the crimean platform includes absolutely all members of the European Union , by the way, there was even a speech by the vicespeaker of hungary, who firmly stood for the territorial integrity of ukraine, accordingly, we now expect such a timeline, on november 8 will be the decision of the european commission, which will assess the implementation of these seven points, which were presented to us as mandatory for the start of negotiations, and already in december, somewhere in the middle of december, this is the date of the meeting of the european council, and there will already be a political decision by the leaders of the countries, members of the European Union about the start of negotiations, and in parallel, moldova can obviously get this too. Also the start of negotiations, although everyone admits that moldovas progress is much less, but again, this is such a manifestation of solidarity, because everyone perfectly understands , that if it were not for ukraine, then moldova would have already been occupied, and it is important, well, this civilizational division , yes, it has a history of dragging more countries to the right side, so we are waiting for two dates, november and december, we have half a minute left, mr. Stefanchuk turned to the parliamentarians of other countries to study the experience of Holding Elections during the war, this is based on the results of the press conference he gave, what this testifies to, and he outlined five actual points, why elections in ukraine are considered impossible now. At the summit, they once tried again in ukraine, maybe i dont know the delegates who came to ask this question about the elections, or it was the initiative of the journalists who asked, and mr. Stefanchuk answered and actually turned to study this experience, and you know and these are journalists who ask about the elections, because at the summit there was not a single word about the elections, but it is correct that the questions are being asked, but i would still like to correct, it is not about the elections during the war, but the postwar elections and already there were even the first meetings with representatives of bosnia and herzegovina and croatia, which just, well, held such elections not so long ago, that is, after all, it was the 90s there , it was some kind of achievable period when it was, so we are talking about the postwar period election. That is, ukraine is currently studying this issue, ukrainian parliamentarians, in particular, how do it after the war is over . Well, it doesnt matter to us, well get to it, its better for us to talk about it and prepare in advance, to have time for a discussion, than to vote at the last moment on some law in a few months. I thank you for the activation and for the information that you voiced, yehenniya kravchuk, peoples deputy of ukraine, the servant of the people faction on the crimean platform, the summit that took place in prague, many people participated in it. Delegates from all over the world. There is one more topic we want to discuss today, a multigenerational family from skadovsk, in the occupied territory of the kherson region, together with their children, managed to return to the territory under the control of the ukrainian government. Oleksandr prokudin, head of the kherson Regional Military administration, announced this. He said that the couple with four children were in danger in the territory occupied by russia, the russian army, they were afraid to leave earlier, because the youngest child is one and a half years old. Thanks to minres cooperation. Guardianship and care authorities and volunteers managed to get the family out of safe place. In the new place, the authorities promised to help with household arrangements. And in general, as of october 25 , it was possible to return 386 children to ukraine. Such data is provided by the platform for the search of minors children of war, more than 19,500 children, which is documented, are considered to be deported or illegally displaced. The day before, the Ukrainian Ambassador Dmytro Lubinets held an Online Meeting with the ambassador of the state of qatar in ukraine, where they discussed cooperation between the countries in the return of ukrainians. During this Online Meeting, the peace formula from president zelenskyi, in particular, about the return of all people held hostage by the Russian Federation, abducted children and soldiers from captivity. The ukrainian shoemaker also said that the qatari ambassador will personally work in kyiv in the near future, including the return of ukrainians. Earlier, president zelensky had an Online Meeting with the emir of qatar, in which he also thanked for help in this matter. The qatari side, i would like to remind you, supports ukraine in the return of civilian hostages, prisoners of war and children. Recently for assistance of qatar, as mr. Lubinets noted, four children were able to be removed from the territory of russia, and now they are already with their relatives. Dmytro lubinets, whom we mentioned as the Verkhovna Radas human rights representative, is joining our broadcast right now. I welcome you. Good day, studio, good day, ukraine. Thank you for taking the time and opportunity. Mr. Dmytro, why is it the state of qatar and how did it happen that it essentially acts as a mediator. In the issue of the return of civilian hostages and those who were deported to the territory of the Russian Federation . Well, we have many initiatives from our international partners. But really the first country that showed a concrete result regarding such cooperation regarding the return of ukrainian children was qatar, er, i will say frankly that our talks started long ago, during the visit of the representative of qatar to ukraine, after that in we had communication within the framework of the forum in jeddah. In saudi arabia , the day after jid, i personally went to qatar, there i had a meeting with the minister of state for international cooperation, ms. Lolwa, alkhatiya, and with at that time, we started such technical things, where we tried to really return the first group of ukrainian children, it took some time for representatives of qatar. For communication with the russian side, we handed over the first lists , that is, such Technical Work had already begun, we concluded that the first four children returned to us, they returned in different ways, one child returned through the territory of estonia, three children returned to us through the territory of belarus, as of now all children are reunited with their parents, relatives are in ukraine, this is the first group that qatar helped us to return and we decided to show it publicly, also i wanted to say that we continue to work, firstly with qatar, regarding the next returns of our ukrainian children and not only children, but also we not rejecting any other offers from our international partners, publicly i know how a person is, practical, i always start naming intermediaries when we see concrete results, but of course, but you said simply that qatar is the first state of those, in fact, with whom ukraine now cooperates in this matter, who succeeded in this, what do you think, why did this happen, qatar has some influence, i dont know, maybe there on the kremlin or on the Russian Federation, they have some other connections, thats how they could explain it to you, how they managed to do it, if anything can be said about it. If i Start Talking about it publicly, i am afraid that these opportunities will also close. I understand the arguments of qatar or other mediators participating in these processes, but believe me, we publicly about this for sure, we will not think about it, discuss it, the most important thing for us is the results of our activities, and this does not affect the National Interests of ukraine in any way, but for me this is the main issue, that is, to return people and that the state of ukraine only benefits from this , there are definitely no concessions there, no political issues will be discussed there at all, i understand that the russian side is constantly trying in its negotiations with the mediators, trying to find a point where. The mediators will put pressure on us and on ukraine, well, it is good that as of now qatar has managed to limit full communication there, exclusively, they only discuss the humanitarian problems of the citizens of ukraine, period. Ukraine confirms that the Russian Federation illegally deported about 2,000 ukrainian children, but according to president zelensky, this number could be much higher, but much more, its how much, what understanding of the situation you have, taking into account the fact that you are constantly working with these requests , with the information that comes in, we assume that we have a lot of information from the territory of the Russian Federation, from the temporarily occupied territory of ukraine, and indeed the lists of children, civilian hostages, they are constantly growing, our problem is another, how to verify and confirm these data, International Organizations do not have. Such access to the russian side, the russians never we were not given any lists independently, despite our repeated initiatives to resolve this issue, you know, when i publicly heard that lavrov commented that russia allegedly provided lists of ukrainian children, which are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, i also publicly reacted immediately and said that this is completely untrue, that is, it is not true. The russian side has never directly or through intermediaries provided any lists of ukrainian children or ukrainian citizens who are in the territory of the Russian Federation, but they are talking about hundreds of thousands of ukrainian children who are currently in the territory of the Russian Federation, where these we do not have the children, the conditions in which they live, what with their parents answers to these questions, therefore , the number one problem is the verification of these data, and the number two question is how to return all those who wish to leave the territory of the Russian Federation to ukraine, when russia constantly shows that. Politically and physically, it restricts, not just movement, it blocked all our citizens there, who are like hostages on the territory of the Russian Federation. Mr. Dmitry, one more question, we did not insult him when we invited you on the air, but in your telegram you often react to it as well, on these cases that occur because of a violation, whether it is not a violation, when, for example, employees of the tsc try to communicate with citizens of ukraine, there to find out their yes. I do not know the service of the summons and so on, how often do these appeals to you as a Public Prosecutor occur , how often do you respond publicly, is there any possible figure in this direction, i do not know how many such violations have been recorded, not recorded, and how you do research, actually, how does it happen . The appeal occurs often enough, as far as possible violations of Citizens Rights by representatives of the tsc, as a rule , the reaction is as fast as possible here, i instruct my regional representatives to come to the place, if there is already such an opportunity, to talk with the applicants, to take all the information, after that i open proceedings, send an official appeal, i receive answers and after that i decide how to react further. As a rule, the reaction to my official letters is instantaneous, Disciplinary Proceedings are opened internally, there are several open criminal cases, but yours, yours with the intervention of both the shoemaker and with my intervention as well, but there are cases when we were shown that the entire procedure was fully followed, and we inform the citizens that , in my opinion, their rights were not violated in this case, you know, that is very important to show. That our institution is an institution that, on the one hand, of course, protects the rights of our citizens, on the other hand, we also show that if the entire procedure was carried out within the limits of its powers, solely on the basis of current legislation, then simply , we dont allow it either Disciplinary Proceedings, that is, i am also defending rights here. Those who fulfill their duties with dignity, it is very , very important to maintain a balance here, i will definitely not be a person who will show only one side, yes, unfortunately, we have cases when employees of the tsc , and there are , but there are many other examples when they perform their work with dignity, when, unfortunately, we, on the part of the citizens of ukraine, see unworthy behavior, illegal behavior, for one thing. The most important thing, dont forget, the war continues in our country, there must be respect for the military, we are ending the broadcast, thank you, Dmytro Lubinets, the Human Rights Protection Council representative, the guest of our broadcast, freedom of the mornings, the project about important things, we will meet with you tomorrow, take care and subscribe to the Youtube Channel of Radio Liberty to be aware of important events. Its 10 oclock on the clock, its time to find out what s happening in ukraine and the world at this time, khrystyna parubiy is working in the studio. At least 16 injured in the city of slavuta , khmelnytskyi region, as a result of falling fragments of shahed buildings, 11 multiapartment buildings were damaged houses and nine private ones, two educational institutions, an administrative building, a shop and a garage, reports the state Emergency Service of the region. In addition, the premises of the fire and rescue units and the Police Station were damaged by an explosive wave in slavut and netyshenia. The enemy is attacking the region for the fourth day in a row. The mayor of slavuta reported that the commission is already inspecting the houses. Citizens to help with liquidation