Comment on the most relevant social discussions, which news will be analyzed by the guests of the project this week and, in fact, who will be the guest of the studio, we will find out already this sunday, clearly, the topics will be relevant, the guests will be special, proper names with myroslava barchuk, sunday 17 10 for espresso. Now Roman Bezsmertny will be working on the air of the tv channel, iconic ukrainian politician, diplomat. Glory to ukraine, mr. Roman, i congratulate you. Glory to heroes. Good afternoon, mr. Antin. Well, the situation at the front is extremely alarming. We understand that the enemy has concentrated enough manpower and artillery resources to try to capture additional bridgeheads. They created two military bridgeheads in the north of kharkiv region, right . And we understand that putin is active for a reason. Took its aggressive line and we understand that the summer will be extremely difficult, and at the same time we see another trend, yes, the people the deputy of ukraine, mariana bezugla, began to very actively criticize, i am putting it this mildly, the higher military leadership, generals sodol, syrskyi, bargelevich, pavlyuk, tkachuk and so on, that is , she found a few kind words in quotation marks for each of them, we do not understand. That it does not have a very positive effect on the motivation of the higher generals. Mr. Roman, what do you think is happening now and what is the right and wise thing to do in such situations . I can say that from the information i read, from the analytical materials of the western, Ukrainian Forces in rashistan, repeat or february or even similar things last year with attacks. There are no counterattacks, what is accumulated there is not a potential, serious threat, although, as you rightly said, the bridgeheads are created and the front line is stretched, it is a danger, but there is something to fight against this danger, especially considering that the arrival of aid will increase, and potentially the general staff, as what is received in the information, both from. Foreigners and from ukrainian specialists, says that the armed forces of ukraine are capable of resisting, but in the Current Situation , the fact that politicians, or non politicians, i would say so, begin to interfere in tactical tools, in personnel policy and so on, is definitely causing more damage, especially since behind these words are not. Simply, actually these people, everyone understands very well that both Maryana Bezugla and everyone else from this galaxy, they are inspired, they receive instructions directly from the bank, and i do not always agree with what mr. President or mr. Yaermak says, in this different sources are visible in the situation, because as a list of surnames. It changes all the time and is voiced differently, and the temperament and reasons and claims against these people are highlighted at different times depending on what is happening, well, lets say there were accusations against a certain person and after this jump such a hop appears informational, that is, for those who are constantly watching, it indicates that we are dealing with. Certain attacks that, in addition to damaging the senior command , the generals of the armed forces. Countries, they cause harm, including the average command staff, they harm the armed forces of ukraine when officers speak, when military men speak, by the way, whose words we see less and less, which is very dangerous, this is one thing, because you can understand them, they see how their comrades, they see their subordinates dying, and their high notes can be accepted and explained. But when those who do not understand what it is style begin to pour mud, or the generalship, or the officer corps, or certain units of the armed forces, or to propose in the Verkhovna Rada different marasmatic decisions, all this indicates that it is not only among the tactical environment that there are those who provide information about displacement. Certain units give information about objects, about which we very often see information in the media that one, second, third, fourth person has been detained, it is much worse when people with status say it. It is clear that you can put a fool next to merger green and say in principle, as i often do, that well, in the family there are always. Those who are weak, and they can, because we poles say this word, in relation to to such people are weak, i. E. Here, whether he is weak or he is sick, here everyone chooses, chooses a conclusion for himself, but these things are very dangerous, because they not only demoralize society, they demoralize, demotivate people, they demotivate the higher command staff and so on, but the danger of this signal actually speaks of the fact that there are a considerable number of people around the president who do not know where to stand in this situation, so they start clear sabotage work, because such work causes enormous damage, including to the ukrainian state , and ukrainian society, moreover, it is clear that such things affect the external contour, they are heard, they are seen, and they cannot be. , that in washington, brussels knew that and frankly understood that there would be a resignation of general zaluzhnyi. Pay attention to how these two trends coincided, because if we read the economist build. In fact, since the spring of last year, they wrote about it, and by the fall , activity and help decreased, decreased, fell and so on, and things like that, they understand the swings of the pendulum, these are all trends that are happening and they perceive them as politicians, as serious politicians, and they understand that there will be consequences for this, because personnel changes, this includes tactical changes, thats it. This is primarily a responsibility. When we talk about the top command structure, well, it is also about certain Strategic Decisions on the front line, in particular, when we talk about concentration in certain places of the resource and so on and so forth. And a plus, of course, is communication with ours friends, partners and allies, but we understand, at the same time, that war is also about managerial competence, that is , we understand that a person can be a good regiment. Or a good major, but in order to manage the fronts, or to carry out, for example, the strategic deployment of troops, their interaction, and so on, this must be experience, our army, well, it is difficult to turn it, you understand, into an army, yes, although we we see separate units that work successfully and are no worse than the israeli various services, well, but in any case, our army is what it is there is, yes, and the process of its reformation, it is in great need. No caution, well , any army is first of all officers, and you have to understand this and be very, very, very careful with it, but i was not among and will never be among the command staff, but i was among the government, government officials, i i know what its like to make a decision there, and i understand what its like when youre constantly in conditions of lack, deficit, and what its like when youre responsible for the fact that someone will be. Given help in extreme conditions, and someone just will not this help is provided due to the fact that you have made a decision, it is a colossal responsibility, from here you have to understand that. When such messages appear, they carry a very big danger. I want to emphasize once again that it is one thing when citizens speak, and the effect of this is completely different, it is when status persons speak, these are very dangerous signals, and they are dangerous both inside the country, and even more dangerous on the external contour, because they are seen , they are heard and understood by the addressee, where is this from . We now have a colossal challenge that will formed at the swiss peace summit, yes, where they will be discussed, yes, as far as i understand, various framework scenarios, i doubt that this or that concrete public decision will be made, well, apart from purely protocol things, yes, but it will happen, so to speak , considering various scenarios, both of warfare and stability on the continent, and given your vast diplomatic experience, sir . I would not ask you to analyze in advance what the dangers are, what are the trends in various environments, for example, the western elites, and in general, how will we be after the chinese trip to Central Europe and to france, and how will we be after the visit of the russian stump to beijing, lets say this, i have more modest expectations than mr. Antin from what you emphasized now, from my point of view. A lot will be said there, it will be said more and more openly on the sidelines than in public, and this is also understandable, the result, the macroresult of the forum will be some document, some documents, it must be understood that this is both good and not quite good, i will explain why, because if there is none document, this case in general suggests that they were meeting to no avail. Wants to and we talked heatedly, but the existence of the document, i will now ask you a question and myself, and what about this document, the moscow fuhrer, the tehran yatola or the red kital dictator will take it into execution, no, he will not implement it, no matter what fulfilled the resolution of the Un General Assembly dated november 7 , 2022, where there were. Cardinal and sharp demands to stop the aggression, since they did not fulfill the resolution dated february 23, 2023, where these demands were repeated, and in fact these 10 the points in question, the peace formulas, are included there, there is not only one position regarding ukraines accession to nato, Everything Else is written there, so it is clear to me that a. And 160 or 150 will gather, and although, how we remember, there are 193 members in the un, yes, maybe the roman pope will be there, rather there will be, there will also be the ecumenical patriarch, for me the only question is that the ecumenical patriarch and the roman pope will be sitting, but the ecumenical patriarch will remember that in havana in 2016, the pope signed a declaration with. The patriarch cyril, not the ecumenical patriarch. It will hang over the whole table. And entourages such as mateo zupi have long been in the Operational Development of the fsb, i mean papimsk. Well, here are the details, if we sat down with you, we would not have spoken all these details in a week, which speak about what is really happening in the world right now. Everything you and i said in the first part at the front, she. Including related to putting pressure on this forum, i. E. Activation of putin at the front, this is a protuberance of aggression and the intensification of meat assaults, in particular in the north of kharkiv region, is, so to speak , putins attempt to disrupt the swiss forum, not only to disrupt it, to change its content, please note that if you take the washington post, new york times, build, guardian, career sir, all that. Today is writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, and at the end there must be a paragraph, and at this time putin is preparing another, colossal, huge offensive, no matter how much they are told about what there, there are two battalion groups, there is one battalion group, these are not the 200,000 that were near the borders in 2022, nobody cares, and i, i dont judge them, its their right to write what they think is necessary, we, we in this situation have to. Do our own thing, but it will affect the situation, in including on the content of the document that will be adopted, i am in favor of next and not only. Uh, at such forums as the Un General Assembly, where binding documents are adopted, including at such forums as global peace summit, and some other resolution, statement, decree, whatever was adopted, but i know that these resolutions, decrees will have to be carried out by those who adopted them, and now not immediately. The question is how to force the moscow fuhrer, the red chinese dictator, the fundamentalist ayatollah in tehran, this crested, chubby, kimchen of belarus, this bull of the collective farm, further, the venezuelan madura, the syrian assad, to do these things, they wont accept them , whats the point . The need to split the connection, perhaps, between the stump and xijinping, from my point of view, there is a universal tool for this, it is force. I will tell you yes, mine position, we are approaching the time when words do not work, only force will work, the sooner, those who will go to the podium form, and the more of them will repeat, we need to form a common one. Force, we must form a joint command and strike and defeat this evil. The greater their number, the faster we will find an answer to this question. Well, mr. Antin, two nations cannot fight for 7 billion or 8 billion people. Well, thats not fair. Well, do we not understand today that there is an iranianisraeli conflict a war that. Is projected onto the entire arab and african world, a war is being waged here in ukraine, after the aggression of the Russian Federation, which is projected onto the entire european and american world. Under such conditions, if everything ends only with a good text, but at the same time there will be conversations that will be in the context of what. I was talking about now, i will take it as a positive result. Moreover, in fact, similar performances, they should be deployed as strongly as possible after that through european means, through world means of mass information, appeal, persuade people, i cannot name them persons in whom movement is in the blood, there is no place for them without blood, because all these cannibals. They destroyed so many people, they left so many to die that the word responsibility in relation to them, it is synonymous with only one word amputation. It is not for nothing that putin now, in fact, started talking again about some istanbul agreements, but we understand that they are not worth the paper on which they were not even signed, that is, we understand that this empty feathers that the russians flaunted, but it is not for nothing that putin has now spoken about this matter again, for what purpose do you think, mr. Roman, this is a certain trade offer on the part of putin, yes, because he goes back again and again and again to what was it was never signed in istanbul, mr. Antin, these are just fake maneuvers in order to bring down the mood that i, about which i am talking about in switzerland, it is a fake, the essence of which is. Just to torpedo the necessary decisions that would lead to real to victory over this evil and gave the world a chance to breathe. This fakeness if you look at it from 2014, it was traced in the tripartite contact group, then it is traced in the socalled position of china regarding the ukrainian crisis, even more so it is traced in african peace proposals. It is even more visible in the position, the socalled position of the pope, and things like erdogans peace plan are just a fake, and the reference to a document dated february 2022, mr. Antin, and ratified documents in International Relations that are not signed , they can be used to heat more than one and not to heat them one nation in the world, but no. No one ever appeals to them, because it is just waste paper, this falsity, which this butt, plush, moscow, breathes, it lives in everything called russia, and it must be understood that at the present time, in the Current Situations, words are over, conversations are over, and continue to reflect on this falsehood, well, i understand, you know, i have already gone through a lot of negotiation processes, with this falsehood, to say this, if someone does not understand it, well, it is his tragedy. We understand how it works kremlin diplomacy. They can bypass us and try to look for certain interlocutors in the west. For example, the alternative forces of the deep state in the united states, we understand that there are Upcoming Elections and so on. In the european union, all this would be done behind the scenes. We understand that Great Britain itself is also heterogeneous, although in public, everything will be very clear, specific, democratic and so on. And the bullet. There are different currents, they can bypass us, yes, well, here too i would like to get in the end a normal number of longrange weapons and the corresponding permission and license for their use, i am not saying against any civilmilitary facilities there, no, against specific military facilities, in particular, such as, for example, military airfields of the Russian Federation or places of Logistics Management and the concentration of the command structure of their troops, well. And you can, they are shelling us, the secretary of state Antony Blinkin says that it would be good to change a little the american concept of permissions, anyway for now everything is in place, and the aviation is where it is, so so to speak, it is currently located, that is, not at our military airfields, covered by additional patriot systems, here is this construction, it is also very disturbing, when this discussion appeared for the first time, for the third time already, i very carefully. Got acquainted with the transcript, looked at everything i said, and i want to give some clarifications here, why there is no wrong position here, let me ask everyones question like this, and so the correctness of ukraine is that it seeks to be given the necessary weapons in order to she transferred war on enemy territory, strategically absolutely. But the correct position, but at the same time, mr. Antin, dear listeners, Pay Attention to the second position, right here position give air Defense Systems, give pro systems, and nato should shoot down enemy air objects on the territory of ukraine. Three positions. Now congressman mcconnell says it is not possible to limit the ukrainians in their desire and. Plans to bombard the enemys territory with relevant objects, he is absolutely right, because it corresponds to the Strategic Plan of transferring the war to the enemys territory. And secretary of state blinken he replies we do not restrict the ukrainian side from using weapons at its own discretion. We recommend the ukrainian side, due to tactical approaches , not to. Do this, i will explain why, because blinken says you will first provide your population, infrastructure together with us, with air Defense Systems and antiaircraft systems, do not expose them to risk, then do the first, and the second and the third, because if you do not have the necessary complex of the population Protection System and infrastructure. And you will shell enemy territory, the answer is that he will attack you more and more actively every time, as a result, this will lead to an increase in casualties and an increase in the destruction of infrastructure. Mr. Antin, many specialists miss this nuance in the emotions of war. It is clear that it is easier to cut out certain words. Take them out of context, so mcconnell and blinken are right. There are several questions here. Mcconnells position, what is more the desire to help ukraine, or to influence the Election Campaign . What else is in blinkens position . It is planned to help ukraine, attention, whether to continue the dialogue with moscow. We are with you we can only count it. From the point of view of analytics, because we lack facts, we dont know when mcconnell and donald trump are talking, and we also dont know how things are resolved today. The problems of the International Space station between washington and moscow, in what way is the dialogue on the implementation of today, because it has failed, and this is a danger, how is the dialogue on the issue of nuclear balance, because it is also done, in what way we do not know, how often it is raised a direct line between washington and moscow, that is, we cannot to be ordained, because as an american congressman. He does not know what is done in the white house, you and i do not know what is done in the bank, because i was there, i was there for a very long time, i was under many president s, and i can compare what sounds on the air and what actually happens in this environment are in individual cases, well, completely different things, so this is what the situation shows today. It speaks of the following principle lets first ensure everything , which concerns the safety of the population of the infrastructure, and then we will solve the issue of transferring the war to the territory of the enemy, there is no contradiction here, there is only the correctness of the strategy and the need to clarify the tactics in the implementation of this strategy, this is the same as we discussed with you before. To the question if you planned personnel changes, then you should have provided informational support for them, and not, having carried out these personnel changes, at the same time let the dog down and start harassing those whom you have just appointed, what did you do . Thank you very much, mr. Ambassador, for this extremely important, honest analytics on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that now the iconic ukrainian. Politician and diplomat Roman Bezsmertny worked on the espresso channel, you can find more interesting information on his personal Youtube Channel and you will also find no less information on the espressiv Youtube Channel, see espresso, well, stay tuned. The time of our program has run out, stay tuned to the espresso tv channel. My colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of this day. Take care of yourself and your loved ones. Before meeting on the air what is bahmud . Bahmud is a place of fear and a place of bravery. 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