That . Am i just being a dinosaur and i have to accept the future . Or is there something a little bit more sinister at play and the nhs . We know, dont we . It is an absolute shambles right now. 7 million there or thereabouts on the waiting list. And now the boss of a Top Health Insurance company saying, i quote , that the failure presents quote, that the failure presents a Business Opportunity. What do a Business Opportunity. What do you make to that . Is it basic business, common sense or do you firmly disagree with it . Well have it all to come. Fascinating by the way, because ive got a lot on my show tonight. And he also was quite pivotal when it came to removing the ability to pay came to removing the ability to pay cash on public transport. So i cant wait to get into the topics with him. But before we do it, lets get tonights latest headlines with polly middlehurst. Michelle, thank you. Good evening. The top story from the gb news room. The home secretary says lawyers who game the british asylum system by lying are a stain on the legal profession. Suella bravermans profession. Suella bravermans comments come as she chaired a meeting of the governments new task force and regulators aimed at cracking down on rogue immigration lawyers. The daily mail newspaper revealed the case of a law firm helping an undercover journalist of a law firm helping an undercoverjournalist posing as undercover journalist posing as an economic migrant who was advised by a crooked lawyer to submit a false application in exchange for thousands of pounds. A new task force now is announced by the government. Announced by the government. Its going to bring together regulatory bodies, Law Enforcement and other Government Departments to root out so called dodgy law firms. Departments to root out so called dodgy law firms. In other news today , the elections other news today, the elections watchdog was targeted by a cyber attack resulting in what its calling hostile actors, gaining access to the publics information on the cyber attackers were able to access copies of the electoral register with the names and addresses of anyone registered to vote. Anyone registered to vote. Between 2014 and 2022. The incident was first identified in october 2022, but its emerged the attackers first access the Commission System in august 2021. Chief executive sean mcnally apologised to the public and anyone whose information was hacked and says signify vacant steps have since been taken to improve their it system. Adams improve their it system. Adams now hundreds of brits on an overnight ferry are finally on their way home to plymouth after being forced to dock in france this morning due to a report of Food Poisoning emergency on board a passenger on the pont aven ferry told gb news that dozens of ambulances were waiting on the quay side when the ferry pulled into brest in france this morning. Theyd left france this morning. Theyd left santander. France this morning. Theyd left santander. In spain at 6 00 last night, but passengers told gb news that they were stunned to see the boat urgently diverted a haulage firm thats part of one of the uks largest transport group says it may be forced to shut down its site in Northern Ireland as a direct result of brexit. Gb news has seen a letter sent by Morgan Mclernon to staff which blames post brexit consequences for possible redundancies. The Company Delivers goods to every major uk supermarket. The Business Community in Northern Ireland, meanwhile, is still waiting for details about the windsor framework, which was signed back in february. Figures signed back in february. Figures revealed by scottish labour show nicola sturgeons government spent £10,000 of taxpayers cash on vip airport upgrades. Our scotland reporter tony mcguire explains. Explains. Scottish labour has revealed that between september 2019 and august 20th, 22, Scottish GovernmentCivil Servants racked up more than £14 million of expenses across 58,000 transactions on Government Procurement cards. Big ticket items include £10,000 of vip Airport Services for the former first minister, as well as a £4,000 stay at the five Star Gleneagles Hotel in perthshire. Gleneagles hotel in perthshire. At the other end of the scale, some items included nail polish , a home karaoke machine and six copies of the former first ministers own book of speeches. The Scottish Government says that its committed to delivering the value for delivering the best value for money for the scottish taxpayer and that these cards are in no way used for personal expenditure. Expenditure. Sir tony mcguire there. Now sir tony mcguire there. Now the jury in the murder trial of nurse lucy letby has been instructed to deliver majority verdicts. The seven women and four men were told by mr justice goss that he would accept verdicts on which at least ten of them were agreed. Letby is accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder ten others at the countess of Chester Hospitals neonatal unit. A man who was stabbed this morning in the arm near the British Museum in london had just been waiting in the queue to get in. Police have arrested a male on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm. An american tourist described how she was about to get in the queue at the museum when she was told to leave immediately by police. The building was evacuated and the area cordoned off while police attended the scene. The matter is not being treated as terror related. The museum has since reopened and finally, people have lined the irish seafront in County Wicklow to say their final goodbyes to the singer sinead oconnor. The 56 year old grammy Award Winning artist was found unresponsive live when police were called to her london home last month. The funeral procession travelled along the bray seafront in and passed her former home in montebello, where she lived for 15 years. Tributes flooded onto social media upon news of the singers death, including messages from russell crowe, annie lennox and cyndi lauper. Youre with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car , on your uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news. Back now to Michelle Dewberry. Back now to Michelle Dewberry. Thanks, polly. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight alongside the conservative life peer in the house of lords, Daniel Moylan and the political commentator joe phillips. Welcome to both of joe phillips. Welcome to both of you and you know the drill, dont you . Its not just about us here on this program. Its us here on this program. Its very much about you guys at home. Whats on your mind tonight . You make to the tonight . What do you make to the stories youve just been here from polly gb views gb news dot com is you get hold of me or com is how you get hold of me or you tweet me at gb news. You can tweet me at gb news. Now, we touched this story now, we touched on this story last didnt we . Bibby last night, didnt we . The bibby stockholm i to say stockholm. Well, i have to say that today hardly anyone we think is on board this vessel. Of course, youll be familiar with the fact that 500 people apparently will be housed here eventually. I use the word eventually. I use the word eventually, because if that happens, i dont know. Eventually, because if that happens, i dont know. I will probably. Well, i was going to say ill eat my hat, but i dont eat. I dont wear hats. So thats not going to happen. Is it . But anyway, we think that theres about 15 or so people on there. Why, of course, because lawyers. Et cetera have gotten involved and put stop to it. Involved and put a stop to it. And now the home has sent and now the home office has sent a to Asylum Seekers a letter to Asylum Seekers basically saying that if you dont accommodation, basically saying that if you dont have accommodation, basically saying that if you dont have accon support n, you could have your support Government Support removed because is because accommodation is provided on a no choice basis. Provided on a no choice basis. Daniel moylan i want to pick up with you on that. This first concept about actually as a migrant is it and should it be a case if you get what youre given and if you dont want it tough . Yeah, i dont know any refugee camps in any other parts of the world where people are allowed to say, id rather not be here, id rather be in a hotel or have a house of my own or whatever. Most refugee camps or whatever. Most refugee camps are pretty desperate and desolate places to be, but people would rather be there because theyre safe and they fled a genuine fear from a genuine fear. Fled a genuine fear from a genuine fear. And thats why genuine fear. And thats why theyre there. The assumption is if you were an Asylum Seeker coming to this country that youre fleeing from a genuine fear. If youre fleeing from a genuine fear. If thats what you want to prove , thats what you want to prove, thats what you want to establish. And i think you would be grateful to have any accommodation that was provided for not in prison if for you. Youre not in prison if you one of these barges, you go on one of these barges, you go on one of these barges, you can leave. You can come and go and so on. But thats the accommodation that will be provided. But theyre not getting but but theyre not getting on is because of on it. And this is because of support from charities such as care for kallis and lawyers and stuff like that. And what theyre saying is that actually its inhumane to put these people all on what theyre calling basically like almost a prison like conditions, which i personally think is ridiculous. So theyre not getting on. So actually, do you think that if they sit there and say, no, im not going to happen or its not going to happen, you honestly going to happen, do you honestly believe the government believe that the Government Support would cease . I dont know that. Dont i would know about that. I dont i would i think Government Support might cease. But i think the danger of course, is you end up with People Living on the streets and so on, which we wouldnt want to have either and would be more in some ways more terrifying. I think the fact that they might have marks against their have black marks against their asylum claim or might not be asylum claim or it might not be processed because they would be demonstrating, they werent really here, perhaps because they were fleeing a real fear of persecution. That might be a persecution. That might be a factor that might come into play. I think it probably will be filled up. However, the barge over time, i dont know what eventually early means. Michelle im not its going to im not saying its going to happen week or week happen next week or the week after, but i think it probably will filled up over time and will be filled up over time and i dont see that its objection able is able accommodation for what is meant to be a temporary period. These sorts barge his these these sorts of barge his and this one in particular has been past by workers been used in the past by workers and so on rigs and things and so on on oil rigs and things like that has indeed. Let just bring joe in let me just bring joe in there. Whats your thoughts . Well, i think, you know, one of the things that we all know and discussed often on and weve discussed often on this huge backlog this program is the huge backlog of that have not of asylum cases that have not been processed. Even if the barge was filled up tomorrow, i think its got a capacity for 500 people that is still only 1 of the people who are coming here anyway. So its not going here anyway. So its not going to make a huge dent. Meanwhile, youve got people , sometimes youve got people, sometimes families, whole families who have been stuck. Im sure they dont want to be stuck in not particularly nice hotels on the side of motorways waiting for over 18 months for their claims to be processed. And the government really is doing this scattergun thing of right, were going to do this or no, were going to do this or no, were going to do this or no, were going to put the waves back. No, were going to send them to ascension island. All of these things cost money. But theyre not dealing the fundamental not dealing with the fundamental problem, through problem, which is get through the and work out who is the backlog and work out who is genuine and who isnt. Get on with deport sorting those who are genuine and get on are not genuine and get on sorting out the ones that are genuine, who may well be people who can contribute very meaningfully to the economy and our local communities because its, you know, this its just so inflammatory and i think its inflammatory. Well, i think the inflammatory. Well, i think the problem and i think daniel is very measured in his argument or his answer to you that actually , even if the government said take it or leave it, they cannot not make somebody destitute. Not make somebody destitute. And, you know, it was against international law. And as he says, you would then end up with people where, well , so hold on. People where, well, so hold on. So i mean, ive got the letter here. It says youre granted. Previously granted. You were previously granted. You were previously granted support under a section 95 and asylum 95 of the immigration and asylum act, it goes on. It says act, 1999. It goes on. It says basically, this is your notification that youre being provided alternative provided with an alternative accommodation. Accommodation is offered no basis offered on a no choice basis where Asylum Seekers fail to take up an offer of a suitable accommodation without reasonable explanation. Be no explanation. They should be no expectation that alternate accommodation will be offered. But here is the thing weve just been hearing about that the been hearing about that in the news building as well. There are so organisations and so many organisations and lawyers that have so lawyers now that have become so slick at what i would say gaming the system, exploiting the system. And what i find system. And what i find interesting there is that sentence s, which is about if you turn down a you turn this down without a reasonable explanation then and there for me is a massive glaring loophole. Because when glaring loophole. Because when you look, for example , well, one you look, for example, well, one of the chief execs thats fighting this, one of the charities that are fighting this is i think this is is saying and i think this is ridiculous, i think this is quite its quite inflammatory, really. Its saying individuals are saying these individuals are effectively kept away from sunlight and daylight other than what comes through pretty limited window. So in effect, its close to being a detention facility for many who already would have been in detention for cilities. I find that quite inflammatory because no, youre not going be kept away from not going to be kept away from sunlight daylight light sunlight and daylight light because all youve got is a window. Well, welcome to the real world. People their real world. Most people in their house, have windows. That house, they have windows. That is live in a box with is how we live in a box with windows. These people can go outside , theyve outside outside, theyve got outside courtyards, got these courtyards, theyve got these shuttle services. If you shuttle bus services. If you cant be bothered to get on your bus or you miss your bus, you get back. So i find get free taxis back. So i find that quite inflammatory. I think thats part of and i think thats part of the michel. The whole the problem, michel. The whole argument become so inflamed. Argument has become so inflamed. I make a law or you i mean, if you make a law or you make a statement that any lawyer can drive a coach and horses through, then you yourself in other words, the home office are in fact, there was a very interesting discussion on patricks program before we patricks program just before we came air with a couple of came on air with a couple of barristers. You if a law barristers. You know, if a law is not properly made, if the home is not dealing with home office is not dealing with things creating a robust things and creating a robust enough case, then theyve only got themselves to blame. And there is no doubt that there are probably some dodgy people out there who are trying to, as you say, game the system and make money out of people whove already spent thousands on getting here in illegal boats. But there is also the point that when you have and i suspect this is where were going next, when you have the deputy chairman of the conservative party, anderson, an mp. Yeah. Saying anderson, an mp. Yeah. Saying not you know, not overheard to somebody in a private conversation , but speaking to a conversation, but speaking to a National Newspaper , using National Newspaper, using language that if any of us used at this time. At this time. So he basically said, in case youre not familiar at home, he basically said, if these people dont like the badges, they can f off back to france. Thats what he said. But loads of people im telling you now, theyll be sitting at home, high five and not going. Yes of course they were. Yes, course they will. Yes, of course they will. Thats their thats absolutely their business. And think its business. And i think its a real that the conservative real shame that the conservative party, is i am not party, which is i am not a member and member of and im not a supporter of, but it has a huge and fine history, easy for somebody to use that sort of language. Is that wrong . Is that wrong . Well, i dont myself approve of using foul language. Well, is it wrong . Indeed i block people on twitter who use foul language because im sick to death of it now. And its far too much of it. So is it wrong . I wouldnt have said that. Deputy chairman of the tory party to say that language in a media interview. Yeah, i wouldnt approve. I wouldnt. I wouldnt use that. And im not asking you. Im not saying would you use it because told me you it because youve told me you wouldnt use im saying, do wouldnt use it. Im saying, do you wrong that the you think its wrong that the deputy chairman of the tory Party Language in party used that language in a media party used that language in a me i a party used that language in a me i dont think he should have i dont think he should have said it like that, but i think you have to recognise an awful lot people use language lot of people do use language like that when they want to express themselves emphatically. Its common and they its become very common and they will recognise exactly what he was saying. And i think the sentiment is one that a lot of people do understand and the whole idea is youve come here, you are meant to be fleeing persecution. Thats the whole persecution. Thats the whole bafis persecution. Thats the whole basis of the asylum sentiment is not justified. Fear of not justified. Fear of persecution where you are now, youve actually come from france. Thats what youve done. And its but youve got this fear of persecution and youre quibbling about whether you stay in this accommodation or that accommodation, whereas if you come in, many countries, youd be living in a tent. Its true. Its true. Its true. I just think it would have been helpful if the Prime Ministers number 10 spokesman or the justice secretary , alex or the justice secretary, alex chalk, had had the decency to say that thats not the language that we would have used, because i think there will be a lot of people out there who perhaps might be whilst ones are high fiving, it becomes very difficult then, doesnt it, for teachers, for people in shops , teachers, for people in shops, when you say the language not on this topic thats come out, laboun this topic thats come out, labour, Senior Labor Party peers, people talking about scum and all sorts of other tory scum, stuff like that, please do not lecture us about it, about poor language and its effect on children and schools. As angela children and schools. As Angela Rayner made that comment, the deputy leader of the labour not the only one. She may not be the only one, but thats the one that most people will know of. But that was not in a media interview. The point about lee, i see, anderson, that said i see, anderson, is that he said it knowing full well he knew full well what she was saying. May well have done well, she may well have done that. But it was a private it was, but it was a private thing. I mean, and somewhere and somewhere bottom this, somewhere in the bottom of this, we have forgotten that we seem to have forgotten that the that talking the people that were talking about human beings. About are actually human beings. Theyre as cannon theyre not there as cannon fodder left and right. Fodder between left and right. No well, alan says thank goodness for straight talking politician lee anderson simply reflects sizeable reflects what a sizeable majority of the country thinks. Yes, alan, he does. But the yes, alan, he does. But the question is, is it appropriate language for such a senior politic person to actually use . Is that appropriate . Have you is that appropriate . Have you got children, grandkids , for got children, grandkids, for example . Have you heard them swear . Do you pull them up these swear . Do you pull them up these days . Is swearing still the kind of thing that it used to be . I think thats an interesting question because these days so many swear like many people do swear like troopers, think troopers, dont they . Do think its the right to do its still the right thing to do the thing to is it the wrong thing to do. Is it appropriate for the deputy chairman tories to use chairman of the tories to use that . Yes, we connect that language . Yes, we connect with we resonate with with it. Yes, we resonate with it. Yes, many people might agree, that position, in agree, but in that position, in that the media, that context, to the media, appropriate not, you tell me. Appropriate or not, you tell me. Vaiews gbnews. Com is how you get hold of me hello there. Michelle dewberry till 7 00. The conservative life peerin till 7 00. The conservative life peer in the house of lords, Daniel Moylan, alongside me, as is the political commentator joe phillips. Weve just been talking about bibby stockholm and im talking about the fact that the lawyers and charities have stopped, have intervened and stopped, people up and people basically boarding up and asking or not you asking you whether or not you think was okay that lee think it was okay that lee anderson them that if they anderson told them that if they dont the they can dont like the badge, they can f off to france again in off back to france again in mixed responses coming in here. So many of you saying that actually you do support the use of language by lee anderson. Of language by lee anderson. Then whos this godfrey says august sorry, says if you dont, its about time the Political Class came clean and express their views. Well done to lee. So theres a feeling there that it is connecting with the electorate. But notwithstanding electorate. But notwithstanding that, im asking you of your kids. Your swore would kids. Your grandkids swore would you them up on it . Is it you pull them up on it . Is it acceptable for that kind of role in public to use that in Public Office to use that kind language . Kind of language . Weve all had this, you know, weve all had this, im sure, know, youre im sure, you know, youre particularly when youre driving or or Something Like or parking or Something Like that. And you know, somebody their automatic response is a mouth full of abuse and foul language. And its actually quite upsetting. Ing and it can. Quite upsetting. Ing and it can. But you see, i think it might be upsetting depending on the way that you put onto swearing. So i swear, like a trooper. Yes, i accept. Its not classic. I shouldnt admit it as a lady, but i do. I dont know if its my i dont know what it is. I swear do as well. But i swear i do as well. But i wouldnt say to you. So lets suppose, you know, you and are suppose, you know, you and i are having a argy bargy about, i dont a parking or dont know, a parking space or something. Well, something. You wouldnt. Well, we use the language, but we cant use the language, but i swear on air. No, but i have been called , as im sure you been called, as im sure you have, and im sure daniel has the most appalling thing. Does it bother you . But does it bother you . But does it bother you . Yes, it does. I find it deeply upsetting. The. Deeply upsetting. Yes. The. If people swear i dont care if people swear at me, i me find it particularly upsetting when it comes from young men. Think when it is deeply and i think when it is deeply offensive and sexual, i think i find it very threatening and very unpleasant. What you. Very unpleasant. What do you. Yeah, yeah. I dont know. Have see, i dont know. Have attitudes towards swearing changed . Im genuinely. I dont care if people swear at me. I do swear often as well. So perhaps thats why i dont care. Obviously to im professional to swear here on tv and i cant anyway because theres rules against those kind of things. But even i. I can see the argument where it connects you to a Political Base that you want connect with. So i get want to connect with. So i get what some of you guys are saying, but if my child swore i would up because would pull him up because i think that certain think that in certain circumstances, professional life being of them, you perhaps being one of them, you perhaps shouldnt swear. Although i can imagine sitting the imagine people sitting in the background me. Background shouting at me. Michelle, you swear it was all the anyway, so shall i the time . Anyway, so shall i just swearing and just move on from swearing and you me what you think to it you tell me what you think to it all . Truss, remember her . In all . Liz truss, remember her . In fact, can remember fact, actually, i can remember her me remind you , her because let me remind you, liz truss, moment that we had liz truss, a moment that we had on dewbs co with lord moylan. Look and i have decided that i am going to vote for liz truss. Oh, are you to going vote for liz truss . Because i find it rishis economic policies have changed so much. I economic policies have changed so much. I didnt economic policies have changed so much. I didnt even so much. I didnt even understand what hes talking about. Well, there you go. Daniel well, there you go. Daniel moylan there. Lord moylan voting moylan there. Lord moylan voting for liz truss. Well, we might remind ourselves that she was only Prime Minister for about 49 days. Well, the resignation honours list now is being discussed. Liz truss creating hairs. Apparently this 14 people there or thereabouts on it. Some people apparently have said they dont want to be on it. Theyre trying to distance themselves. It started the conversation about should she have a resignation honours list given the time , the the amount of time, the shortness was the pm . Shortness that she was the pm . Yeah, of course she should. Why . Why . Its a custom. And as well, its a custom. And as a conservative, strongly in conservative, im strongly in favour , as its a favour of customs, as its a custom that an outgoing Prime Minister can can propose honours for people whove helped them and supported them. But even if youve been there less than 40 days, 49 or 50, 50 days to do to it, do with it days has to do to it, do with it because you wouldnt be confirmed in an ordinary job unless youd done three months probation. Probation. She was Prime Minister with three months probation. Thats three months probation. Thats were not talking about an ordinary job on three months probation. Were talking about somebody properly somebody who was properly elected by both her party and the members of the house, but not the to public be the to be the Prime Minister. No just like gordon brown was not elected by the our system. The public. Thats our system. We dont elect Prime Ministers at general elections to serve full term. She became why do i have to give you elementary lessons in our constitution . Dont so patronising. No, im going to finish this. You let me finish you havent even let me finish the sentence. Was properly the sentence. She was properly elected of her party. Elected by members of her party. Me as you, as you me included. As you, as you pointed members of her pointed out by members of her party by. Pointed out by members of her party by by by, by pointed out by members of her party by. By by, by the party and by. By by, by, by the members of parliament. The majority of members of parliament. And she was a conservative members of parliament, and had the parliament, and she had the support of the house of commons. And she appointed and and she was appointed and nominated queen to serve nominated by the queen to serve as she did as Prime Minister. And she did that considerable dignity that with considerable dignity dunng that with considerable dignity during the time of the queens sad and all the things sad demise. And all the things that followed from that. And she that followed from that. And she served Prime Minister before served as Prime Minister before she rug pulled under her she had the rug pulled under her from by her mps and from under her by her mps and the bank of england and of course, shes entitled to a resignation, an honours list, it seems, from what is said. I dont know if this is all true, but its a very modest list. Its very list, which its a very short list, which perhaps does reflect the shortness time she spent in shortness of time she spent in office. We know who the office. We dont know who the people who are getting the people are, who are getting the honours except the nominations for of honours except the nominations for are of honours except the nominations for are x law. Of honours except the nominations for are x law. Three of f honours except the nominations for are x law. Three of them whom are x law. Three of them i know all excellent people. Know are all excellent people. Im sure the other one is fine as well and it should go through. Of course should. Through. Of course it should. Dont know all the yeah. We dont know all the final but we think its final details, but we think its about 14 people. Basically if about 14 people. So basically if you calculate it back, its one nomination for about every three and half days in office. Joe, and a half days in office. Joe, your thoughts . Well, i think its a disgrace. And if she had disgrace. And i think if she had any self awareness, she would say, oh, i wasnt really there for very long. And okay, there was two weeks. She couldnt be anything other than dignified after the queen died. I mean, the events took her out of the limelight. Thank goodness she crashed the economy. She cost it crashed the economy. She cost it £30 billion. Thats had a direct impact on peoples mortgages in including kwasi kwarteng, the then chancellor for five minutes. Anybody with any self awareness would have said , self awareness would have said, i dont think i should do this. I dont think i should do this. And i think after the debacle oven and i think after the debacle over, Boris Johnsons honours list, he he was he was forced to resign in disgrace by his peers in the house of commons. He chose to resign rather than fight the election in uxbridge. He left with a cloud over his head to go and make an absolute fortune writing for a National Newspaper , for he shouldnt have newspaper, for he shouldnt have had the honours. I think there needs to be a rethink about this. There are far too many. There are far too many members in the house of lords. I think everybody agrees , and probably everybody agrees, and probably even you would agree. No, i dont agree. And ill tell you why. And ill tell you why. You think, okay, well, lets have another elementary lesson in the constitution in a moment. But back to liz truss. I think but back to liz truss. I think she is an appalling waste. I remember you calling her a barbie doll. I know. Barbie doll. I know. And you and alex dean didnt understand what i was saying. And the point that i was. No, no, i understood what you were saying. You thought i was. I thought it was wrong. No, but you thought i was being sexist. You no, i was. You were you were. No, i was. You were talking about imposing on dresses on instagram. Said she was like you said she was like a barbie doll. No, my point was that just like propping up, popping like barbie propping up, popping up in a different with like barbie propping up, popping u|differentferent with like barbie propping up, popping u|different outfit, with like barbie propping up, popping u|different outfit, there with like barbie propping up, popping u|different outfit, there wasth a different outfit, there was liz as secretary liz truss as foreign secretary doing that. Not doing exactly that. Thats not sexist. That the fact that sexist. That was the fact that she was promoting herself at our expense with her taxpayer funded photographer , taking photographs photographer, taking photographs of her running across Brooklyn Bridge or standing in the not very snowy weather outside the kremlin. Ill tell you what i think is wrong. And this whole honours thing that people and i will be bold, yourself included, have almost like these jobs for life. I dont think they should be any such thing as a life peerage. I think they should be terms appued think they should be terms applied to it. And i do not understand why anybody is granted this peerage for life. What am i missing . Yeah, well , you can say that. Yeah, well, you can say that. And theres no argument. Theres obviously an argument in favour of that. You can make that point. Its perfectly fair point. But then you get into the whole question. The much bigger question. The much bigger question of what sort of reform 7 question of what sort of reform . If you want to reform the house of lords, what sort of reform want . Well, one, i reform do you want . Well, one, i would have term limits. Well, but you could have a review. I dont know. I dont know. I dont know. I dont know that you want to start with term limits. As as as what you want to do, because people getting going people are barely getting going after learning their after a time learning their way. Remember, part time remember, its a part time house. Not full time house. These are not full time politicians. Politicians. Could you not do a review but could you not do a review of somebody doesnt turn up but could you not do a review of doesnt dy doesnt turn up but could you not do a review of doesnt do doesnt turn up but could you not do a review of doesnt do anything nt turn up but could you not do a review of doesnt do anything nt turi up or doesnt do anything after, i dont know, 5 or 10 years or something . Dont something . Yeah. If you dont turn for a year already, you turn up for a year already, you get you get dismissed. Just like that. Just like that. Charlotte already there. Charlotte was already there. Charlotte you dont turn Charlotte Owen if you dont turn up a year, cease to be up for a year, you cease to be a member of the house of lords. But can, but youre to but you can, but youre going to turn. Going to when we turn. Youre going to when we say turn up, by the way, you can just dip and your 300 and just dip in and get your 300 and wmma just dip in and get your 300 and summat quid tax free and off you go. Youve clocked in, go. You can, youve clocked in, youve got your hundreds of quid. Going to do quid. So theyre going to do that. But lot of, a lot that. Yeah. But a lot of, a lot of peers dont claim that even when up. When they turn up. But fact is its always but the fact is its always been the case that some people who are there who get peerages are there because its an honour and others do the work. Others are there to do the work. And you to out the and you need to sort out the well, 30 year old, for well, a 30 year old, for example, getting a lifetime there to do the work. I think that is absolutely absurd. Nobody of absurd. Nobody the house of lords have much younger lords used to have much younger people we people in it when we had hereditary peers. Well, actually, some people will say if going have an age if youre going to have an age cap, bring upper cap, michel, bring in an upper age because ive heard it age cap because ive heard it called home many called a retirement home many times, lords. But times, like house of lords. But anyway, look, its getting heated here. Is it getting heated in here. Is it getting heated in here. Is it getting heated i so. Lets heated outside . I hope so. Lets look the weather. Look at the weather. Warm feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt that warm feeling inside from bo}proud sponsors of weather on proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening and welcome to your news weather your latest gb news weather forecast. Craig snell. Forecast. Im craig snell. Looking tomorrow looking ahead to tomorrow for most of us should be largely most of us it should be largely dry. Best of sunshine will dry. Best of the sunshine will be out towards the and be out towards the east and for most of should be feeling most of us it should be feeling warmer it has so warmer than it has done. So heres a situation at the moment weve High Pressure weve got High Pressure beginning to build in todays rain cloud responsible rain and cloud all responsible from of low pressure from this area of low pressure will gradually move away we will gradually move away as we go night time period. Go into the night time period. So we should so for a lot of us, we should start off on a fairly start wednesday off on a fairly clear note, still quite windy across the far north of across the very far north of shetland and out towards the west. Were starting to just see the next spell of cloud and rain move but for most should move in. But for most it should be mild start to be a fairly mild start to wednesday, with most of us staying double figures. So staying in double figures. So plenty of sunshine initially across the uk. But this cloud and of rain will and outbreaks of rain will spread its way a little bit further eastwards as we go through course of the day. Further eastwards as we go thrijgh course of the day. Further eastwards as we go thri think course of the day. Further eastwards as we go thri think comese of the day. Further eastwards as we go thri think come the if the day. Further eastwards as we go thri think come the afternoon so i think come the afternoon rather grey skies for Northern Ireland, parts of western scotland wales, scotland down into wales, southwest england, and eventually into the midlands too. So best of sunshine too. So the best of sunshine really be out towards the really will be out towards the east eastern scotland, south east probably east eastern scotland, south the probably east eastern scotland, south the lions probably east eastern scotland, south the lions shareobably east eastern scotland, south the lions shareobalin seeing the lions share and in the southeast much the southeast feeling much warmer reaching 24 degrees warmer highs reaching 24 degrees and into thursday, after and then into thursday, after a bit of a slow grey start, this cloud will quickly burn away. And actually is probably and actually first is probably going be the best of the going to be the best day of the week most of us. Plenty of week for most of us. Plenty of sunshine come the afternoon and week for most of us. Plenty of su the ne come the afternoon and week for most of us. Plenty of su the sunshine the afternoon and week for most of us. Plenty of su the Sunshine Feelingrnoon and week for most of us. Plenty of su the Sunshine Feeling much and in the Sunshine Feeling much warmer. 27, warmer. Highs reaching 27, possibly the possibly 28 degrees in the south. But this is one day, one day as we into friday, day as we go into friday, turning cooler and more showery. And that goes into weekend, too. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Well, that was the weather. Did you like what you saw there . Is it going to be hot, hot, hot any time soon . Where you living now . Ill settle for lukewarm, frankly. Well, there is global boiling apparently on its way. If you believe that. Anyway, i dont. Believe that. Anyway, i dont. But i want talk to you about but i want to talk to you about cash next. Was saying i want cash next. I was saying i want to be able to pay by cash and i do not want to have to pay a more expensive charge for having the what would say the basic the what i would say the basic right, a luxury of using right, not a luxury of using cash. Im asking a major dinosaur. One of my viewers has just in touch me and just been in touch with me and said not Old Fashioned to said its not Old Fashioned to be wanting to cash. Youre be wanting to use cash. Youre not dinosaur. But if you were, not a dinosaur. But if you were, youd jew. Saurus i quite youd be a jew. Saurus i quite like that. Do bazball like that. So lets do bazball set up and we hello. Michelle dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Daniel moylan and joe phillips still alongside me. John leeds says, well , i cant tell you what he well, i cant tell you what he says because im not allowed to says because im not allowed to say it before teatime. But he sent me a swear word and he says, im just testing to see if you do actually read all of these emails. Well, i do. I pass these emails. Well, i do. I pass the test, but i cant read it out at this time of night. Betty says swearing is all over tv shows days and think it shows these days and i think it does less than it used to, does mean less than it used to, and bother her at and it doesnt bother her at all. Melvin says. Actually, if there a few fs and there was a few more fs and jeffs in politics, it might actually liven people were actually liven people up. Were talking lee talking about leanne lee anderson thats what did anderson saying thats what did you under you just say then, under your breath, and jeffs. You just say then, under your bre i h, and jeffs. You just say then, under your bre i was and jeffs. You just say then, under your bre i was justd jeffs. You just say then, under your bre i was just repeating you i was just repeating you there. I thought that i thought fs jeffs new one to fs and jeffs was a new one to me. I like it. All right. I think i know what you mean. I thought you were saying Something Else and that would be unrepeatable. Anyway, lets talk cash, everybody, this cash, shall we . Everybody, this is a little project is a project, a little project of mine. Them to stop of mine. I want them to stop ruling out cash. I track ruling out cash. I lose track now of how many shops i go into , quite frankly, that have proudly in their windows. We are a cash free zone. Theyre wearing it like a badge of honoun wearing it like a badge of honour, whereas actually i think you should be quite ashamed to have one of your have that as one of your policies. Just got back policies. Ive just got back from st barts. As i told you yesterday, couldnt yesterday, i couldnt spend a penny. Little and then penny. Little early. And then one things that did make one of the things that did make me took a picture of it me laugh, i took a picture of it because it really me because it really made me chuckle because they had a wishing well so when youre wandering around, they had this wishing picture wishing well, ive got a picture of you, saying to people, of it for you, saying to people, you know, throw your into of it for you, saying to people, you wishing 1row your into of it for you, saying to people, you wishing tree your into of it for you, saying to people, you wishing tree and into of it for you, saying to people, you wishing tree and if into of it for you, saying to people, you wishing tree and if you nto of it for you, saying to people, you wishing tree and if you wish the wishing tree and if you wish anything you want it to be. And it to on say that they use it goes to on say that they use these coins a charity called these coins for a charity called together for short great together for short lives. Great charity. Cant help but charity. But cant help but nofice charity. But cant help but notice theres hardly coins notice theres hardly any coins in and infuriates me. Now in there. And infuriates me. Now were hearing about different banks. Were hearing about different banks. Natwest, were hearing about different banks. Natwest, for were hearing about different banks. Natwest, for example, banks. Natwest, for example, limiting cash withdrawals and cash deposits. Its people cash deposits. Its people charging for example, if you make big cash deposits now we had the example of the council that were charging people £2 an hour to park. If you use your card, £3 an hour to park. If youre using cash, i think that is disgraceful. Your thoughts . Well i have a confession to make as well, which you may have trailed at the top of the show. Come on, hold your breath, everybody of tfl. I presided over the abolition of cash on tfl services and indeed in my shame, shame, i get out cash from the parking metres. But the reason for it is. Well, ill tell you why. The parking metres. First of all, the cost of collection is very high. You have to employ people to go around. We discovered that a bit of a history , but we discovered of a history, but we discovered after a couple of years wed been employing a criminal gang to collect the money, which explained why we were getting. We out the shortfall we worked out the shortfall eventually worked out it eventually and worked out why it was so. You you have to was so. You always you have to collect it, you have to count it, you have to deposit it. Theres a huge cost to it. And youre open to depredations like people nicking or people actually nicking or skimming the top of and skimming off the top of it. And thats the council got rid thats why the council got rid of for parking metres and of it for parking metres and tfl. Very similarly, the cost of collection on an card is collection on an oyster card is about 1. With cash they worked out it was close to 14. Thats money that could be going into services , running tubes and services, running tubes and running buses , which is going running buses, which is going out the window. So the logic for doing it. But i agree with people, but mainly relates to coins. I people, but mainly relates to coins. I agree with people, but mainly relates to coins. I agree with people. Coins. I agree with people. I wouldnt mind if coins were abolished, but and in fact, they dont mean very much nowadays. Most coins. But i agree with people that there is a very serious issue here about getting rid altogether. Of rid of cash altogether. First of all, because it impacts people who wired up and who who arent wired up and who arent capable of using the internet and things like that. And of course, its not just when you pay a bus, its when you buy online and stuff like that. And secondly, because there is this great threat of control that people won when all of your transactions are run through a bank, and especially if the central bank takes it all oven if the central bank takes it all over, which theyre threatening to do so, therell be one bank in the country and everything would have to through it. If would have to go through it. If you start doing that, then you end up with the possibility of the sort of control youre seeing if you seeing in china, where if you dont nicely, they dont behave nicely, they actually amount you can actually cut the amount you can spend. Actually cut the amount you can spe but its even worse than but its even worse than that. Think theres a sinister that. I think theres a sinister agenda at here because agenda at play here because there a cost of doing there is a cost of doing business. That life. So, yes, business. That is life. So, yes, it costs collect and it costs for you to collect and transact money if youre transact your money if youre a business, whatever. So what that is what kind of set for is what you kind of set up for when you about what we when you talk about what we could that money the could spend that money on, the services brilliant, services instead will brilliant, but having services. If but not on having services. If people dont have the means to be access those services be able to access those services because dont cards or whatever. I mean, im sure that the and i mean, im sure that the argument that daniel put through is the same that is being used by council and its quite understandable. London, i think understandable. London, i think is slightly different because its got a much more integrated transport system. So an oyster card will get you on buses and tubes and some overground trains and things like that, but i think what the story you referred to, michel, is about a council in sutton, i believe, where their charging you more to park £3 an hour, cash , £2 an park £3 an hour, cash, £2 an hour if you use the app. Yeah. Yeah. So thats 33, a third more to pay so thats 33, a third more to pay. If you 50 its 50, 50, 50. Pay. If you 50 its 50, 50, 50. Yeah. Thank god im not running a council and working out the books. Id have been giving it away to gangs. Yeah, i know. Yeah, i know. To do the parking metres. Yes, but. But that is a huge piece organisation a huge penalty and its taking away choice. Now you know where choice. Now you know where i live in, you know, kent outside of london. Lots of places. Theres no phone signal and ive stood in car parks thinking, oh blimey , you know, i cant get blimey, you know, i cant get through. Why should you have to in this country , cash is a legal in this country, cash is a legal tender and i think it should be illegal to refuse to take cash. Illegal to refuse to take cash. And i actually think its not a coincidence that coincidence that these banks simultaneously are shutting down peoples account at a rate of knots, often without giving you any reason as to why. And then simultaneously trying to squeeze what you do when it comes to cash transactions, phones. I think there is a sinister agenda at play here, all about digital currencies. Many of which, by the way, these Central Bank Digital currencies, they can be they call it programmable. So actually people all in the state can decide here is your money, but you can only do x, y, z with it. Youve got to all stand up. If you ask me, weve got the dont kill cash campaign. As you will be familiar with. But yeah, i would love to see that go further. I would love to see it be illegal to refuse cash in this do you agree with this country. Do you agree with me am ijust this country. Do you agree with me am i just a dinosaur . Im me or am i just a dinosaur . Im sure will tell now. Next sure you will tell me now. Next up, the crisis in the nhs. Not good for us as patients, but very good for business. Apparently the private sector seeing it as a Business Opportunity. What do you make to them . Hello there. Michelle dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Daniel moylan and joe phillips alongside me. Andrea says i went to a coffee shop recently. They told me they could only accept cash because their internet was down, meaning they couldnt take card payments. You say this is a warning of what may happen to businesses in a cashless society. Sue says michel its the same as supermarket is giving cheaper prices to those people. Use the apps they do it with the Loyalty Cards as well, dont they . If youve got your Loyalty Cards, you get massive discounts supermarkets discounts in supermarkets these days want all of days because they want all of your you should like your data. You should be like me. Every i go in, i take a me. Every time i go in, i take a leaflet with card on so leaflet with the card on it. So i use temporary card so i get i use a temporary card so i get my discounts. But they dont get my discounts. But they dont get my you are welcome. One of my data. You are welcome. One of my data. You are welcome. One of my viewers twitter says, my viewers on twitter says, michel, it illegal michel, in france, it is illegal to cash. Michel, in france, it is illegal to cash i michel, in france, it is illegal to cash. I didnt know to refuse cash. I didnt know that. But, sir, there you go. Thats something the french got right. Shall the right. Lets talk, shall we . The nhs, all of us have to rely on it, dont we . In about 7 million of us currently on the waiting list. Well, theres a few people rubbing their hands with glee at the of those the moment because of those waiting and are waiting lists. And there are people people run people that is people that run private health care solutions. So, for example, the ceo of axa, whos company, they are whos a french company, they are saying now hes been saying that actually the failing the nhs actually the failing of the nhs presents a Business Opportunity for make to for them. What do you make to that . Well, bought pgp some 20 well, axa bought pgp some 20 years ago, which was was one of the big Health Insurance co operative. Things like bupa co operative. Things like bupa in this country. So its an arm of axa now. I think we need to be honest about our private Health Care System and just look at it from the other end for a moment. We have weve always had a mixed system in this country. Even with nhs, theres been even with the nhs, theres been an theres been a an nhs and theres been a private system that private system one biggest in system is one of the biggest in the draws in patients the world. It draws in patients from all over the world. It is of very, very high quality and it is a huge export earner for britain. So the first thing we britain. So the first thing we want to say is and there are major new even a new hospital being built in Grosvenor Place in london thats opened only a few months ago. Private hospital. So those facilities are really valuable to our economy and we should treasure them and not talk them down. Thats the first thing. Second thing is, of course, its always been the case that they dont just cater for foreigners, that some british people who live here have had the opportunity, have always had the opportunity, either through their own funding or from their or through funding from their employers those private employers to use those private Health Facilities through insurance. Thats bound to insurance. And thats bound to happen either when People Choose to pay for it because they want. Its sign of prosperity, if its a sign of prosperity, if you like, or if the nhs is not capable of meeting their needs andifs capable of meeting their needs and its bound to happen. And if you try to stop it, then effectively youre going to kill one of the big export earners for this country. And the other thing is that the nhs is using a lot of private hospitals and clinics and other centres was in order to get through the backlog of, you know, particularly with sort of fairly straightforward things like cataracts and hips and knees and those sort of things. Knees and those sort of things. So there is an increasing and much more obvious case mix. I think , in whats happening in think, in whats happening in health care. And i think daniel is right about amazingly that actually we should be more transparent. The problem i think transparent. The problem i think , is that if you want to go private, youve still got to go through your gp. You cant just pick up the phone and say, right, | pick up the phone and say, right, i want to go, you know . So youre still going to go through that gateway service. And think although its, you and i think although its, you know, a Good Business know, its a good Business Opportunity, will make opportunity, people will make money. Look at the people who are making money out of care, michel its not the care ers, the care , its the business the care, its the Business Owners are making an absolute fortune. Im sorry. Most care owners who appear on television appear to be making no money at all. As far as i can see, you cant have the story both ways. Most care homes are actually struggling. Financial because they dont charge what it is they want. Well, they charge most of them are dependent on the rates payable by local authorities. Thats on the ones that are. Thats on the ones that are. Well, i can you whatever well, i can tell you whatever is that anyone that is causing that anyone that has a in a care home, you a relative in a care home, you will know just how much these kind of sums are that care homes are charging. So dont know where its going. But wherever it people the can it is, many people the can afford to have that level of care these days, can they speaking health care, though, speaking of health care, though, if a little if i may squeeze a little personal matter, private matter if i may squeeze a little pe before matter, private matter if i may squeeze a little pe before i|atter, private matter if i may squeeze a little pe before i end r, private matter if i may squeeze a little pe before i end my ivate matter if i may squeeze a little pe before i end my show matter if i may squeeze a little pe before i end my show ,|atter if i may squeeze a little pe before i end my show , keen in before i end my show, keen viewers dewbs co might have viewers of dewbs co might have noficed viewers of dewbs co might have noticed that i have been away quite a lot recently here, one day, gone the next. So some of you may be familiar with who my partner is and today he is. I would say im very proud of him. Actually. I dont say that often, but im very proud of him because he has been sharing a very important and very Important Message and i know lots of you watching know that lots of you watching this you will have this are men or you will have men that you love in your life. And i just want to play you my partners message. Im recovering from cancer. Ive cancer and i have had ive had cancer and i have had some quite significant surgery. But the reasons why i bring it up is because i think its a very important subject, not because i want to have a kumbaya moment and sit there while everyone holds their hands and, you know, either feel sorry for me or thinks its a commendable thing doing by talking thing that im doing by talking about because there about it, but because there is a real issue, someone hadnt real issue, if someone hadnt have me about being have spoken to me about being tested, had symptoms of tested, i had no symptoms of prostate and had no Prostate Cancer and had no reason believe had any reason to believe that i had any particular challenges. But someone very close to me did have and so i went have challenges. And so i went off very simple blood off and had a very simple blood test men are of a certain test which men are of a certain age, and i dont mean their age, and i dont mean in their 50s or their 60s. I mean men 50s or in their 60s. I mean men of an age from 30 upwards need to be looking a simple blood to be looking at a simple blood test a psa and from test called a psa test, and from that produced results that that it produced results that drove me in a direction from about april may into the situation having some quite situation of having some quite significant surgery. But if significant surgery. But if i hadnt significant surgery. But if i hadnt have had this surgery, i wouldnt be here. He wouldnt be here annoying me the way that he does. And i have to say, theres a very serious message there because we talk , we criticise the nhs, we talk, we criticise the nhs, we know that theres massive waiting and a lot of waiting lists and a lot of people, they sit and people, they sit there and think, i want to be in bed think, i dont want to be in bed and on the nhs lots of it is broken, but i implore all of you men from whatever age, this isnt an old mans disease. Even if have no symptoms. I do if you have no symptoms. I do hope listen to what simon hope you listen to what simon had say then, and i hope that had to say then, and i hope that perhaps inspires of you perhaps it inspires a few of you that might not have considered it and get checked. It before to go and get checked. Yes yes. Its not great, you might say. I dont want, you know, fingers places, but you know, fingers in places, but you know, fingers in places, but you know what . Would you rather die of . Embarrassment of or of a preventable disease anyway , so preventable disease anyway, so good for him. It is just a blood initially. Its a blood test. Yeah. You get your psa level checks as a blood test and then you go from there. So if youre watching it, do take the opportunities that are available to ourselves healthy to us to get ourselves healthy and but for now, joe and and well. But for now, joe and daniel, ive enjoyed your company and ive enjoyed yours too. Have fantastic night and too. Have a fantastic night and ill tomorrow night. Ill see you tomorrow night. Rising, boxt the temperatures rising, boxt solar the proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good evening and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell. Were looking ahead to tomorrow. For most of us, it should be largely dry. Best of sunshine be dry. Best of sunshine will be out towards east and for out towards the east and for most of should be feeling most of us it should be feeling warmer it has done. So warmer than it has done. So heres situation the heres a situation at the moment, weve got High Pressure beginning to in todays moment, weve got High Pressure begi andg to in todays moment, weve got High Pressure begi and cloud in todays moment, weve got High Pressure begiand cloud responsible rain and cloud all responsible from pressure from this area of low pressure will gradually move away we will gradually move away as we go into night time period. Go into the night time period. So for a lot of us, we should start wednesday off on a fairly clear note. Still quite windy across of across the very far north of shetland and out towards the west. Were starting to just see the next spell of cloud and rain move in. But for most it should be a fairly mild start to wednesday with most of us staying figures. So staying in double figures. So plenty sunshine initially plenty of sunshine initially across uk, but this cloud across the uk, but this cloud and outbreaks of rain will spread its way a little bit further eastwards as we go through course of the day. Through the course of the day. So think afternoon so i think come the afternoon rather for northern rather grey skies for Northern Ireland, western ireland, parts of western scotland into wales, scotland down into wales, southwest england and eventually into too. So the into the midlands too. So the best of sunshine really will be out the east, eastern out towards the east, eastern scotland, southeast england probably share probably seeing the lions share and southeast feeling and in the southeast feeling much highs reaching 24 much warmer highs reaching 24 degrees. And then into thursday , after a bit of a slow grey start, this cloud will quickly burn away. And actually thursday is going be best is probably going to be the best day of the week for most us. Day of the week for most of us. Plenty of sunshine come the afternoon in the sunshine, afternoon and in the sunshine, feeling warmer. Highs feeling much warmer. Highs reaching possibly reaching 27, possibly 28 degrees in but is day, in the south. But is one day, one as go into friday, one day, as we go into friday, turning cooler and showery. Turning cooler and more showery. And that goes into the weekend, too. The temperatures rising on boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Weather on. Gb news. The home secretary Suella Braverman is talking tough on crooked lawyers, allowing illegal people to come into the country. But will a life country. But will a life sentence stop this from happening or is it all just nonsense . Were also joined by a former boss of border force in calais who was recently lost his bank account just how political is all this getting . And an is all this getting . And an essex entrepreneur joins to us tell us why hes finding it increasingly difficult to take cash and being forced to use credit cards and therefore making his customers do it. Why on earth do they want to kill cash, especially when gb news now has a quarter of a million signatures for its petition . But before all of that, lets get the polly middlehurst. The news for polly middlehurst. Nigel, thank you and good evening to you. The top story from the newsroom, the home secretary says lawyers who game the british asylum system by lying are a stain on the legal profession. Suella bravermans profession. Suella bravermans comments come as she chaired a meeting of the governments new task