Financial regulators and who else could it be . Thats in the forefront but partially taxpayer owned, not. West is once again in the firing line. Owned, not. West is once again in the firing line. The nanny in the firing line. The nanny state is here to stay. So it seems. Yesterday we covered the Prime Ministers new anti smoking laws , but today anti smoking laws, but today its been revealed gps are set to begin screening patients for gambling addictions, as well as smoking and drinking habits. Is this a necessary precaution . In this a necessary precaution . In an increasingly anxious britain , or simply the latest chapter in the meddling nanny state . Plus, some great vindicating news for us carnivores , as a new news for us carnivores, as a new study has speculated that many of us are genetically predisposed to need meat in our diets. In a blow to the vegetarian lobby, ill be having my diet mostly consisting of meat and dairy, examined by restaurateur consultant chef tonia buxton. State of the nafion tonia buxton. State of the nation starts now. Nation starts now. I ill be joined by a refreshing panel this evening, associate commentator at the daily telegraph, mumtaz ahmed and the transcaucasia expert and former labour mp Stephen Pound. As labour mp Stephen Pound. As always, as you know, i want to hear from you. Its the most important part. Excuse me, of the programme. Email me. Email. The programme. Email me. Email. Margaret gbnews. Com. But now its time. The news of the day with polly middlehurst. With polly middlehurst. Bless you, jacob. Good evening. Now the headlines tonight, a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow with the intention of killing the late queen has been sentenced to nine years in jail for the crime of treason. Just once , king shell treason. Just once, king shell wandered around inside the grounds of Windsor Castle for two hours on Christmas Day 2021, while the late queen was there, the old bailey heard today hed been encouraged by an Artificial Intelligence virtual girlfriend with which hed exchanged thousands of messages. The judge said jail was non psychotic and therefore culpable when he devised the plot but had lost touch with reality and became psychotic by the time he carried it out. In other news today, sir it out. In other news today, sir keir starmer has revealed an extra 700,000 urgent dental appointments would be introduced under a Labour Government in plans to improve the nations oral health. The party, they say, would also introduce super sized toothbrushing in schools across england in order to tackle preventable tooth decay in children. People in most need of treatments, including fillings and root canal work , fillings and root canal work, would be prioritised under proposals aimed at what labour is calling rescuing nhs dentistry. The plans would be financed, the party says, by using £111 million a year from abolishing non dom child tax status. Sir keir says labour wants to target areas where people cant get a dental appointment. Too many places across the country theres a desert where you cant get an nhs dentist, so we also have a scheme in place to ensure that we get newly qualified dentists into those areas. So thats the immediate fix. But obviously in the longer term we need to do preventative measures. So the third limb of measures. So the third limb of this is tooth brushing at schools where weve got the biggest problems in our breakfast clubs to make sure that children are brushing the right way and therefore we prevent some of the problems in international news, at least 51 people have died after a Russian Missile hit a cafe Grocery Store in North Eastern ukraine. Its reported the victims were holding a Memorial Service at the time , ukrainian officials at the time, ukrainian officials called it a heinous crime. The attack was the deadliest in kyiv since the start of the war. And the Prime Minister has met with the Prime Minister has met with the ukrainian president , volodymyr zelenskyy, saying europe must face down the threat from russia. Rishi sunak is in spain for the European Political Community summit. The Prime Minister condemned todays attack and reiterated the uks support for ukraine in the ongoing war, adding the only person responsible for the conflict was president putin, just come from meeting president zelenskyy, where we discussed this horrific attack that has just happened. It just illustrates russias barbarity. He and president barbarity. He and president putin can say all he likes. There is one person responsible for this illegal, unprovoked war, and it is him and he should stop. And thats why the uk has been steadfast in supporting ukraine and will continue to do so. Im proud that we were one of the first and we are one of the largest supporters of ukraine. That will continue to be the case. Rishi sunak speaking there. Youre gb news across the youre with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and now on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. The Prime Minister has channel. The Prime Minister has had a busy few weeks reforming policies such as net zero, scrapping hs2 or pushing through north sea gas and oil licences. But it seems theres even more method to these sensible measures than some may have thought. What is clear about these policies . Theyre very few costs involved. Indeed scrapping the northern leg of hs2 saves us 32 billion. And considering the previous overruns, potentially much more pushing through north sea gas and oil licences will raise billions for the treasury, especially considering the 75 effective tax rate on Domestic Energy production and the reforms to net zero policy will let you keep more of your own money. But it seems these arent just good policies because theyre cutting waste and being more frugal with your taxpayer money. Theyre good policies because facing because we could be facing a financial shift across western economies. The cost of government borrowing has been rocketing. The return on 30 year u. K. Gilts has just reached a 20 year high. And this has real consequences on capital values. If i give you an example , if you if i give you an example, if you bought the 2073 index linked gilt when it was issued, it would have cost you £330. Its now worth £62. Thats a fall of 80. So if you need the cash now, if you cant wait until 2073, youve had a huge capital loss and were seeing similar things happening in other western economies, such as the us and germany and what this means is that markets are cracking down on government borrowing. Theyre saying that they dont have confidence in these economies to pay confidence in these economies to pay back their debts or particularly in real terms , particularly in real terms, because theyre worried about inflation in. And there is a good reason for this because governments have been spending too freely. If you think that the great costs, the two great costs, taxpayer every year, costs, the taxpayer every year, the nhs at about 183 billion and then welfare 230 billion next you might expect education or defence spending, but youd be wrong in the year to may debt interest payments. Were £117 interest payments. Were £117 billion. Thats the third highest bill after welfare and the nhs. Its more than £2 billion every week. As a consequence of historic borrowing. If you think last borrowing. If you think last year we borrowed 128 billion, were effectively borrowing money to pay the interest on our historic borrowing. It begins to sound like a giant ponzi scheme and this is why the cost in borrowing is so important, because its a signal that we cant afford to borrow no more. In the past , cant afford to borrow no more. In the past, in recent years, combination of quantitative easing and low Interest Rates and the two went hand in glove have given governments across the globe nearly free money. But thats changing with this shift in gilt yields, global bond yields generally. So what does it mean . Well, basically we will have to cut expenditure and this is a problem because if the economy is slowing, the automatic stabilisers put up the cost of welfare , but were going cost of welfare, but were going to find that we dont have the money for it. And it begins to sound like a repeat. The late 19705 sound like a repeat. The late 1970s and early 1980s, and we may well need similarly tough reforms recover from this. Reforms to recover from this. But of course, want to hear but of course, i want to hear from you. Dont forget let me from you. Dont forget to let me know thoughts. Know, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email thoughts. Know, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email off ughts. Know, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email off by hts. Know, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email off by heart know, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email off by heart byknow, from you. Dont forget to let me kno email off by heart by now. The email off by heart by now. Mail morgue at gbnews. Com. Well, first all, im delighted to first of all, im delighted to be by peter the be joined by peter schiff, the chief economist of euro Pacific Asset management. Peter, thank you joining me. How would you for joining me. How would you for joining me. How would you governments to deal you advise governments to deal with . With this . Well, unfortunately , well, unfortunately, governments have to significantly reduce spending. The problem was they spent so much in the past and they borrowed the money to do itjust borrowed the money to do it just because the Central Banks made borrowing so cheap. But but. Unfortunately lately its frozen. But fortunately, ive got somebody whos going to come to the rescue because vicky pryce, the rescue because vicky pryce, the chief economic adviser at the chief economic adviser at the for economic and the centre for economic and business research, is here. Vicky, what would your solution be . How would you advise governments to deal with this . Well there are things that well there are two things that the can the governments can do. All, they can grow first of all, they can grow slightly faster without necessarily generating inflation. That may look like a difficult thing to achieve right now. Nevertheless inflation is falling us. So you falling even in the us. So you mentioned us and the mentioned the us and the interest there, yields Interest Rates there, the yields which gone up quite which have gone up quite significantly well. Significantly in there as well. And yet inflation is half of ours here in the and the ours here in the uk and the trends are downwards. Yes, we may have the odd months when things perhaps sort of tick up a little bit, but overall what were seeing is that energy pnces were seeing is that Energy Prices are going down. Yes. Okay oil prices have come up a little bit recently, but overall, nothing compared to we saw nothing compared to what we saw within invasion of ukraine by russia when energy costs, of course, went significantly. Course, went up significantly. So is so if inflation indeed is perceived to be sorted over the next 12 months, there is no justification for having a central bank. Interest rates as high as they are right now in many countries and frankly also including in the uk. And second, what you can do is you can look at ways in which the economy can perhaps grow faster, because if you do that, of course it eases quite considerably what your debt burden , in fact is. And the debt burden, in fact is. And the interesting thing is that the way in which you can get your debt to gdp ratio to come down is mostly through getting more output, more is mostly through getting more output , more activity is mostly through getting more output, more activity in the economy. But isnt this the dilemma for governments that that they need to get Economic Growth , but higher interest growth, but higher Interest Rates make it harder to get economic but if they Economic Growth, but if they dont have higher Interest Rates, they dont get inflation down. Risk getting in to so you risk getting in to a vicious cycle that makes it really hard to break free. Now, youre quite right. But that of course, assumes that inflation is still an issue. And of course its high, but it is coming down and we have to bear in mind that the very substantial increase in Interest Rates that we have seen over the last year and a half is coming through the system right now. If dont start now. And if we dont start reducing Interest Rates soon, what well see is that the economy actually slows down even further. So Government Debt further. So the Government Debt issue to be much greater. I absolutely agree with that. And wonder whether the bank of england have too far england may have gone too far and waited to the and not waited to see the consequences the consequences of the early Interest Rate increase. Aces. But that the point i was but that was the point i was making the automatic making about the automatic stabilisers you are likely to have the Interest Rate have with the Interest Rate rises weve already had a slowing economy which is likely to push up the demands on welfare , which pressurises the welfare, which pressurises the government budget. Even more and therefore its harder to get growth in these circumstances. I agree. But the very interesting thing about whats happening now now if we compare with what were even with what we were even pre pandemic, that in the pre pandemic, is that in the whole the western world, if whole of the western world, if you the oecd, which is you look at the oecd, which is sort of richer countries, club unemployment is considerably lower it was even lower now than it was even before the financial crisis. So we had this period of an increase in unemployment. Well, of course, welfare spending would be going up. And now unemployment is at almost record lows, which is good news, gives us a bit of hope in terms of not getting into that exact position that youre worried about, except its also potentially an inflationary pressure. And how much of it is people voluntarily having taken themselves labour voluntarily having taken themstherefore labour voluntarily having taken themstherefore increaseibour voluntarily having taken themstherefore increase being force, therefore increase being this pressure on a tight Labour Market when youve got an inflationary problem . That is true and i think it is one of the reasons why why the economists havent really slumped of very slumped as a result of the very substantial increase oil substantial increase in oil prices, basically people prices, because basically people carried they had carried on working and they had savings they were able to savings and they were able to continue to that isnt savings and they were able to conti|caused that isnt savings and they were able to conti|caused inflation. |t isnt savings and they were able to conti|caused inflation. Ofsnt what caused inflation. Of course, the inflation was caused by factors. Those by external factors. Now those external are external factors are disappearing. Worries me disappearing. So what worries me and the reason why the yields are so high right we should are so high right now, we should be back to the issue of be going back to the issue of government being Government Debt being so expensive because expensive right now. Is because it is perceived by the bondholders or those who are playing in the market, that actual inflation often will still be high on Interest Rates, will still be high in the economy , which is going to bring economy, which is going to bring this slowdown in growth is going to bring problems in to bring these problems in with with Government Debt. That with Government Debt. And that comes the Central Banks comes because the Central Banks keep were to keep keep saying were going to keep Interest Rates those high Interest Rates at those high levels for longer than we thought originally. Why, if all thought originally. Why, if all the forecasts are showing quite clearly that we get into target on inflation, 2 really in the next 12 months in the us, its basically already achieved that. But isnt this another one of the most glorious dilemmas for governments . Actually, from governments . Actually, from a governments with governments point of view, with a stock of debt, one of a large stock of debt, one of the that reduces it the things that reduces it fastest proportionate gdp is fastest proportionate to gdp is inflation, right . And so governments are tempted to talk about inflation being so damaging, actually theyre damaging, but actually theyre debt position is improved by a bit of inflation, except that about a quarter of certainly our debtis about a quarter of certainly our debt is index linked , which debt is index linked, which therefore you dont get that benefit. Benefit. But and the other issue about how you reduce it your debt because of inflation it only holds if the inflation rate is higher than the Interest Rate you have to pay. Yes, but were getting to the point now with the yields where they are and pretty soon where that isnt going to be the case. And thats really important because interesting and thats really important bec start interesting and thats really important bec start of interesting and thats really important bec start of the interesting and thats really important bec start of the rise 1teresting and thats really important bec start of the rise of resting the start of the rise of inflation and of Interest Rates is that the negative real Interest Rate was still huge. Interest rate was still huge. And its only in the last few months that its beginning to narrow, which almost certainly has effect on economic has a bigger effect on Economic Activity it did the beginning. Absolutely. And there is another in of another element in terms of whats happening bond whats happening in the bond market, you market, which is that you mentioned quantitative easing before with quantitative tightening thats going on right now. Many more bonds are finding their way the market. So their way into the market. So central are getting of Central Banks are getting rid of everything have while everything that they have while slowly that they have accumulated before now. And of course, thats pushing bond pnces course, thats pushing bond prices even and pushing prices even lower and pushing yields so the question yields up. So the question is, do them to carry on do we want them to carry on doing so . Should we should they stop . Well, thats that is very important question, particularly as england is as the bank of england is selling large losses rather selling at large losses rather than holding to maturity, which we to then add to the stock we have to then add to the stock of national debt. We have to then add to the stock of well, tional debt. We have to then add to the stock of well, absolutely, because the well, absolutely, because the treasury has guaranteed any losses taxpayer. Losses and its a taxpayer. Already exceeded yeah, ive already exceeded time i thought was time because i thought this was so thank you so interesting. Vicky, thank you very dont forget very much indeed. Dont forget to me know what you think, to let me know what you think, mel. Margaret gbnews. Com after the break, well be asking what the point of electing governments banks governments is when banks undermine. Plus, undermine democracy. Plus, ill be victory lap for team be doing a victory lap for Team Carnival radio. Welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg, and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. In touch with your thoughts. Henry says, dear jacob, you in touch with your thoughts. Henry says, dearjacob, you make henry says, dear jacob, you make such sense in explaining how government borrowing works just makes easy to makes it terribly easy to understand. A layman understand. Even for a layman like myself, i never understood the juxtapositions like myself, i never understood thejuxtapositions borrowing the juxtapositions of borrowing by the government against spending gilt market spending and how gilt market works. No , works. Thank you. Well, no, thank glad i was able thank you. Im glad i was able to explain it. And alastair says, for decades, governments have printed money and called it quantitative easing, pretending it wouldnt quantitative easing, pretending itwouldnt inflationary. It wouldnt be inflationary. Were price. Were now paying the price. Look, that cold. I think look, after that cold. I think it sneeze rather it was just one sneeze rather than cold. But youre kind anyway. The great revelation of the de banking scandal was the extent to which the sinister phenomenon of environmental social and governance, esg has infiltrated many of our powerful, unelected institutions. Once again, it is the virtue signalling green blob and the banks who are determining Public Policy not you, the voter. Well, im afraid theres a new chapter in this story. And yes, you guessed it, it involves natwest , whose largest shareholder is you, natwest under pressure from the regulators , has decided not the regulators, has decided not to do what the Prime Minister announced a few weeks ago when he said the costly housing policy that would have mandated mortgage lenders ensure that properties on their loan books all Energy Performance all had an Energy Performance rating of c or above , but not rating of c or above, but not for natwest, which in line with bank of england guidance issued a few years ago, decided to hold itself to policy regardless itself to this policy regardless undermining the democratically elected pm. So this begs the question what is the point of electing politicians when the institutions have other ideas . Institutions have other ideas . Well, im now joined by my panel associate comment editor of the telegraph , mumtaz ahmed, and the telegraph, mumtaz ahmed, and the former labour mp Stephen Pound. Stephen government makes an announcement and then its overruled by a leftie bank. Well, no, i dont know about lefty banks, but the problem is, jacob, we can only really discuss this in the shadow of the horrific scandal regarding youn the horrific scandal regarding your, your fellow broadcaster, nigel farage, who pointed out quite rightly the other day that his bank still holds an account for rose west. But apparently but not for him. And you cant do look, the reality is that the biggest growth in criminality in the 21st century is fraud. And Banking Fraud is very, very common. We have common. Therefore we now have all these regulations all these rules and regulations about so there about money laundering. So there has be extent of that. But has to be an extent of that. But the thing that youre talking about, about heat pumps and things that, have say things like that, i have to say i find it difficult to my i find it difficult to get my head around i can head around that i can appreciate that the bank is appreciate that if the bank is lending the money, no lending the money, theres no law thou shalt lend law that says thou shalt lend the money to the individual. So the money to the individual. So the certain extent in the to bank a certain extent in this market capitalist this free market capitalist world live and world in which which we live and which luxuriate and which you luxuriate and i despise, know, this does so despise, you know, this does so they that option. But they do have that option. But i think, frankly, what this is really about is i think you touched your monologue. Touched on it in your monologue. This is really and truly this is virtue signalling everybody is so giving so desperate to avoid giving offence that what is in many ways a perfectly reasonable thing. To you, thing. If i lend money to you, id actually check you out. In fact, obviously, your credibility and your credit is excellent. Know, you excellent. But you know, you need actually do this. Need to actually do this. I would never say im going to lend few bob the lend you a few bob on the condition you a solar condition that you stick a solar panel your roof and a couple panel on your roof and a couple of farms on your second of wind farms on your second downstairs paddock. The telegraph that it was the telegraph that broke this story. Me its broke this story. Me and its fun a pop at the natwest fun to have a pop at the natwest because what they did to because of what they did to nigel. But actually the bank of england issued a circular a few years not wanting people years ago not wanting people to lend companies lend to fossil fuel companies and orphan assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. Orphan assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. And orphan assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. And it orphan assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. And itjust orphan assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. And it just flows an assets lend to fossil fuel companies ayes. And it just flows from sets. Yes. And it just flows from that, it . And the fca is that, doesnt it . And the fca is in same boat. Its in the same boat. Its regulation driven in. Exactly. We need to find out exactly what regulation is what the fca regulation is because often politicians say one and you might know, one thing and as you might know, its really acted upon. So its not really acted upon. So good heavens, you end up with a policy statement that says one thing and a regulation that says another. So weve got to find that out. Its also this that out. But its also this stuff has become so embedded that businesses think its non partisan and theyre so obsessed with being good that they dont realise that theyre definition of good is ideological. And so theyve ideological. And so theyve taken in all these esg regulations, theyve embedded it into their own regulations to such an extent that a government statement cannot change it. You statement cannot change it. You see it with the environmental stuff. You also see it with, frankly , the diversity quotas. Frankly, the diversity quotas. You see it with with retainment policies which have become a form of employment. Getting work form of employment. Getting work workplace. And they become so distracted by this, but theyre no longer driven some companies by profit, but esg therefore is a failure in fiduciary duty, isnt it . Because the job of natwest is to make money for its shareholders, not to tell people what type of house they should live in . But that definition live in . Been but that definition live in . Been changed. T definition live in . Been changed. Thefinition live in . Been changed. The job ion live in . Been changed. The job ofi has been changed. The job of natwest is to be a good company and it considers being a good company to be the most profitable when even if profitable thing. When even if that true and being a good that isnt true and being a good Company Means , you know, having Company Means, you know, having its own net zero target. Natwest has its own net zero targets. Bp had a net zero target. You know, it was trying to develop net zero by 2050 for which foreign oil company is very strange. So you end up with a good, you know, good, Good Governance and being a good company, meaning being a good company, meaning being an ideological company that imposes wokery. That imposes wokery. Well, stephen, this is the success of tony blair, isnt it your great friend that he managed to develop a racist . Thatcher the regulatory state and the regulations carry on. Even when you change government and that it was a remarkable success of new labour to embed their underlying ideological view of the world in companies through things like esg and through things like esg and through the fca, the regulatory state with all the quangocrats involved. I dont i dont actually agree with that. Im sorry to say Corporate Social Responsibility was first adumbrated back in the 1890s by Jamsetji Tata , whose great great Jamsetji Tata, whose great great grandson , we all know it, grandson, we all know it, particularly in your part of the world social world and Corporate Social Responsibility, which is actually father the actually the father or the godfather of what talking godfather of what were talking about today. Entirely about today. Its entirely excellent. Its excellent. I think its, its very. Understand your very sensible. I understand your fiduciary in pure fiduciary duty in pure capitalism. Youre there to make money shareholders, money for your shareholders, but you , you know, youre you also, you know, youre a fish swimming in the ocean of wider society. And i think for wider society. And i think for banks to actually recognise that they a wider duty they have a wider societal duty , thing. , its a good thing. Unfortunately, they may be taking too far. Taking it too far. Well, exactly. How is well, well, exactly. How is it good for renters . Is it good for renters . How is it good for young to force good for young renters to force them an extra £10,000 to them to pay an extra £10,000 to upgrade their homes . As long as government as long as the government says do it when says youve got to do it when they can barely afford their rent, shooting the rent, but youre shooting the wrong there arent you . Wrong target. There arent you . You really should shooting at you really should be shooting at the government. Now saying the government is now saying you longer have. Yeah, you no longer have. Well, yeah, but this week. But that was this week. Who knows whats next i mean, who knows whats next week, but somebodys always got to it. To pay for it. So you have these nice ideas and say, well, we get and you say, well, we must get to on energy to level c on the energy ratings, but its either paid for taxpayer or its paid for the taxpayer or its paid for the taxpayer or its paid for by the individual. In either way, this is a non productive use of money. Way, this is a non productive use butnoney. Way, this is a non productive use but jacob, always but jacob, this was always the mean, you know, the case that i mean, you know, back in the dawn of time, you know, had my first know, when i had my first mortgage, know, said, know, when i had my first mori much know, said, know, when i had my first morimuch you w, said, know, when i had my first morimuch you w, i said, know, when i had my first morimuch you w, i was], how much do you earn . I was a porter at the middlesex hospital. I said, how much overtime do you have . Sort overtime do you have . What sort of have . And they of home do you have . And they actually you grade actually rate you and grade you. Its just computer says no. Its not just computer says no. You to actually you know, you have to actually provide certain information about the long about that. And in the long term, that term, i would have thought that if law the land that if the law of the land is that youve got to get rid of your gas a is gas boiler, then a bank is not going say to you, ill lend going to say to you, ill lend it considering it to you without considering whether a gas boiler whether youve got a gas boiler or the that or not. But the fact that the gas know gas boiler is wrong, you know that legislation for the that legislation is for the birds. Its neither here nor there. But this going there. Butthis going cause but this is going to cause a real housing real problem in the Housing Market because you will have unsaleable you unsaleable houses that if you cant on them, cant get a mortgage on them, the the property the value of the property declines dramatically because it can buyers. F a m exactly. And as if the Housing Market already Housing Market isnt already in crisis, in crisis, this is another way in which out the true which people find out the true cost zero. We saw it with cost of net zero. We saw it with ulez. Were it now with ulez. Were seeing it now with housing justification ulez. Were seeing it now with housingis justification ulez. Were seeing it now with housingis oh, istification ulez. Were seeing it now with housingis oh, theres on for this is not, oh, theres a profit motive. Justification for this is not, oh, theres a prthese otive. 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Its not not good for people. Its not i dont think its quite as typekit. Youre going to have move typekit. Unfortunately. have move typekit. Unfortunately. Butve move typekit. Unfortunately. Butve ryoue on, unfortunately. But thank you to theres other to my panel. And theres other green news as our friends at Just Stop Oil have engaged in their latest of civil their latest act of civil disobedience the disobedience after invading the stage miserables in stage of Les Miserables in londons west end. Now, may londons west end. Now, i may have some issues with the french. Frankly, i think this is a rather miserable step. Im joined now by Just Stop Oil representative chloe naldrett. Representative chloe naldrett. Thank you so much for joining me. Isnt it really nasty to ruin peoples evening for people whove saved up to buy a ticket to go there for their birthday or a wedding anniversary and some hooligans go in and disrupt the programme . I thanks for the programme . I thanks for having me on, jacob. Thats an interesting question. Id just like to start by saying the big news of today, the big climate today is the big climate news of today is that the scientists have run out of words describe what is of words to describe what is happening respect of global happening in respect of Global Annual average temperatures. Annual average temperatures. Weve just had the hottest global september on record. That global september on record. That follows the hottest july on record and the hottest august on record and the hottest august on record. So the situation that record. So the situation that were in, the scientists have got their heads in their hands. They but this isnt what i asked you about. You whether deeply i asked you whether deeply selfish unpleasant to ruin selfish and unpleasant to ruin peoples harmless pleasure which theyve spent good money on. Are you to going compensate the people were there . People who were there . What ill say, jacob, is that aside from being the parent of two children , ive also two young children, ive also have a 20 year career in theatre. Im a theatre professional , so i absolutely professional, so i absolutely understand not only the frustration of the audience last night, but but also the anxiety and the stress that was almost certainly caused to the performers on stage and the Technical Team working backstage. But you know what . The Cultural Industries exist to do and what artists are you actually condemning . The protesters last night . Now, youve said that you feel sorry for the performers , sorry sorry for the performers, sorry for the audience, sorry for the backstage hands. Now i can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time. Jacob, i appreciate the disruption cause so this is crocodile , isnt it . Crocodile tears, isnt it . You. You had somebody on you, you. You had somebody on crying on sky news, another set of tears. Of crocodile tears. But what i will say is that we exist in the Cultural Industries and as artists to reflect society back at itself. Reflect society back at itself. And Les Miserables wasnt chosen by accident. Les miserables is a by accident. Les miserables is a story that starts off with a man being imprisoned for stealing a loaf of bread to feed a starving child. A woman is forced to sell her hair, then her teeth and then her body to feed her child. And then at the exact moment that they disrupted the story last night , that they disrupted the story last night, we have a revolution , an uprising of students against. Weve now got a democracy which they didnt have in france at that time. Why dont you stand for election . I havent got time to stand for election, jacob. Weve got to work. Well youre too important election important to stand for election and front of and put your name in front of voters. Also one of the most voters. Also one of the most fantastic mps weve had over recent years whos done more for the climate than anyone else. Caroline lucas is stepping down from parliament because she says she achieve what she she cannot achieve what she needs to do because the greens cant win an election. Isnt it that people only vote for green mp . So are isnt it that people only voteagainst green mp . So are isnt it that people only vote against democracy . So are isnt it that people only vote against democracy . So are isnt it that people only vote against democracy . Should we you against democracy . Should we have a totalitarian state run by Just Stop Oil . Is that what want . Im not against democracy. Im not against democracy. Im not against democracy. What im against stand for election then. Because instead you just bully people against this government which has no mandate because its leader was not chosen people , has has chosen by the people, has has announced 100 a majority in parliament, which is how our constitution works. Constitution works. See that that announcement of new licences is against not just the advice but the warnings of the advice but the warnings of the united nations. The world health organisation, every single climate scientist that that announcement of licences actually reduces emissions, doesnt it . It will reduce emissions because theyre lower if we use our own resources than import them. We burn fossil fuels. It will it will increase emissions , but it will increase emissions, but were going to burn the same number of fossil fuels anyway. Its just hours. Its just hours. Its just hours. Than imported. Rather than being imported. Rather than being imported. Its not coming from me, jacob, thats coming from experts, experts experts, but the experts acknowledge that it will reduce the emissions because it doesnt have transportation have the transportation emissions. So being emissions. So we are being governed by a government that is not acting in the best interests of its people. And i stand for election and see if people agree with than rioting with you rather than rioting completely understand and support these young people who stepped up last night to say, as in the words that we hear in that show, its time to decide who we are. Are we going to stand . Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Chloe naldrett the Just Stop Oil spokesman for joining me this evening. Ill go back to my panel. This evening. Ill go back to my panel. Come on, steven, youre a panel. Come on, steven, youre a socialist. Panel. Come on, steven, youre a socialist. Youre a panel. Come on, steven, youre a socialist. Youre a democrat as socialist. Youre a democrat as well, arent you . A socialist, i believe in in democratic socialism. I dont democratic socialism. I dont believe in revolution. I dont believe in revolution. I dont believe in revolution. I dont believe in narcissism. I dont believe in narcissism. I dont believe in narcissism. I dont believe in standing. Just believe in standing. Just because you can afford to live on top of the hill. You on the top of the hill. You occupy high as occupy the moral high ground, as far i think far as im concerned. I think some people are actually some of the people are actually secret agents of big oil because ive known group ive never known any group of people denigrate people do more to denigrate a perfectly good cause than them with their particular actions at the and isnt this the present time. And isnt this right undermine their right that they undermine their own case . And i can never get this refusal to stand for parliament . They dont think anyone will vote for them, do they . Well, exactly. They also think theyre above the law. They shouldnt they think the law shouldnt apply them as applies to apply to them as it applies to everyone because because everyone else, because because frankly, are arrogant and frankly, they are arrogant and they think theyre better than everyone else. Well , i thought that well, i thought that wonderful line she was too busy to stop. She didnt have time to. I rather like the idea of holding two thoughts in your head the time, which is head at the same time, which is a for the sort a marvellous excuse for the sort of duality that you of philosophic duality that you come great. Great defence of its great. Great defence of hypocrisy, isnt it . Its such a pious, pious cause they can do no wrong. Everyone else is wrong. They can do. Its do whatever they like. Its pathetic. Its also. Pathetic. But. But its also. Its just so mean because lots of people go to a show in the west end. Theyre very the west end. Theyre very expensive. £150 a minimum price. But a couple go. Thats £300. Youre talking about and their evenings ruined. And i dont know whether the theatre can afford to give them new tickets for another occasion. But even so, if youve gone for a particular birthday , gone for a particular birthday, that particular birthday never happens again. Its just such a nasty thing to do. Are you going to come blinking into the twilight garden and twilight of Covent Garden and say, you know . Say, do you know . Convinced that im im now convinced that im now their now entirely supporting their cause . Course, think cause . Of course, i think entirely opposite. Many entirely the opposite. Many people that audience people in that audience will have sympathetic. Have been sympathetic. They will not any more. They will have been and theyve been sympathetic and theyve turned them. And turned them against them. And youve the cast would youve guessed the cast would have been. I mean, this is very unfair generalisation, lot of generalisation, but but a lot of people arts are not people in the arts world are not particularly high tories and youd have thought they would be, as you say, quite sympathetic and you would expect theyd rather put off now. Theyd been rather put off now. Yeah i remember, i mean i yeah well, i remember, i mean i think either of you think before either of you two were when to go on were born, when i used to go on the you know, 1959, were born, when i used to go on the and you know, 1959, were born, when i used to go on the and we you know, 1959, were born, when i used to go on the and we had you know, 1959, were born, when i used to go on the and we had peopleww, 1959, were born, when i used to go on the and we had people like359, were born, when i used to go on the and we had people like pat 1960, and we had people like Pat Arrowsmith like peggy arrowsmith and people like peggy duff, and they used to absolutely whatever you do, absolutely say whatever you do, you hold the you must not hold up the traffic. Must on the side of you must walk on the side of the therell properly the road. Therell be properly marshalled. Cnd marshalled. And this was the cnd to chuck him because hed to chuck him out because hed strayed middle of the strayed into the middle of the road youve got to road and i think youve got to actually grown about road and i think youve got to actu and grown about road and i think youve got to actu and youve grown about road and i think youve got to actu and youve gotown about road and i think youve got to actu and youve got to1 about road and i think youve got to actu and youve got to look about road and i think youve got to actu and youve got to look andt this and youve got to look and just what are we just say, is this what are we actually doing actually achieving by doing this . Glorious this . Were achieving a glorious sense ation. Sense of self satisfied ation. Were that were glowing like that breakfast where the kids breakfast cereal where the kids come, this absolute come, you know, this absolute feeling. Ready . Brek. Brek. Well, thats yes. Well, thats what theyre glowing you theyre just glowing with, you know, and self belief know, narcissism and self belief. And its. Its embarrassing, man. Its embarrassing. Well, thank you very much to my after a messages from my panel. After a messages from our sponsors is it yet another chapter of the nanny state as gps are set to begin screening gambling addictions . Plus my penchant for meat might have ancient origins in gods own. News radio. Welcome back. Our man, Jacob Rees Mogg. And youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Says , whats the thoughts. Steve says, whats the point electing politicians point of electing politicians when they dont do what they were for . The banks were elected for . The banks are just following suit and mark says, youve got to says, jacob, youve got to realise that the person youre interviewing zealot a interviewing is a zealot and a product of own partys net product of your own partys net zero policies, which fortunately seem to be changing. While i seem to be changing. While i have no doubt revelled in many of the recent decisions from the Prime Minister, the one debateable announcement from his speech yesterday was his intention to ban the next generation from ever being able to buy cigarettes. More news to buy cigarettes. More news emerged today that gps are set to begin screening patients for gambling addiction, as well as for their smoking drinking for their smoking and drinking habits. And while it could be habits. And while it could be argued theres of argued that theres a duty of care our to assess care from our doctors to assess patients Mental Health and addictive this addictive proclivities, is this addictive proclivities, is this a step too far . Well, im delighted to be joined now by my panel delighted to be joined now by my panel, associate commentator at the express, mumtaz ahmed, the daily express, mumtaz ahmed, and transcaucasia expert and and the transcaucasia expert and former labour mp Stephen Pound , former labour mp Stephen Pound, which has im broadly in favour of people being able to make choices for themselves as except oddly when it comes to gambling. And the reason for that is ive had constituents come to me with such serious gambling problems that i feel that weve got laws that i feel that weve got laws that exist that protect them, and i wouldnt want to see those protections watered down. Have i sold out . Sold out . I think gambling is a unique case. Theres a question. There are people calling for bans on gambling, which would be wrong because some people do it for enjoyment and you should allow some people to risk some of their own capital. But there are people who develop addictions and in that case, they require specialist treatment. There is a risk, though, that when you impose blanket regulations, you catch out those who dont need help, who gamble for fun and who just want some freedom in their life to risk whatever they want to risk, whatever small amount of money, disposable income they wish they should be wish to risk. They should be allowed do so. Allowed to do so. Admired thatcher i admired mrs. Thatcher for very things, but two things very few things, but two things i did admire her for. One was for passion for europe, i did admire her for. One was for ipassion for europe, i did admire her for. One was for i have n for europe, i did admire her for. One was for i have to for europe, i did admire her for. One was for i have to sayeurope, i did admire her for. One was for i have to say resonated which i have to say resonated with me and other her with me and the other was her refusal have a National Refusal to have a national lottery. Coming from refusal to have a national lottesort coming from refusal to have a national lottesort of coming from refusal to have a national lottesort of methodist|ing from that sort of methodist background. Remember that sort of methodist backgrou see remember that sort of methodist backgrousee a remember that sort of methodist backgrousee a family remember that sort of methodist backgrousee a family in emember that sort of methodist backgrousee a family in myember that sort of methodist backgrousee a family in my old er going to see a family in my old constituency one monday morning, and woman and i noticed that the woman was putting childrens putting water on the childrens corn they corn flakes because they couldnt because couldnt afford the milk because shed actually bought these lottery tickets. The day before or saturday before. Now, or the saturday before. Now, look, i think this goes back. Theres debate in this theres a huge debate in this country. At times country. You look at the times back and the back in the 19. 1850s and the 18605 back in the 19. 1850s and the 1860s john snow discovered 1860s after john snow discovered the divoire, had the cote divoire, they had a headline, we will not be bullied into health. And the idea is that if you have if you take away the free choice you its somehow diminishes the individuality the human individuality of the human being. I would say we have to have crash helmets. We have to wear we have wear seatbelts. We dont have lead a whole lead in petrol. Theres a whole range have gone range of things which have gone with of the nation and range of things which have gone think of the nation and range of things which have gone think people of the nation and range of things which have gone think people nowie nation and range of things which have gone think people now recognise|nd range of things which have gone think people now recognise it. I think people now recognise it. Its actually in the good of the nation, smoking nation, this cigarette smoking thing. Cigarette smoking thing. Firstly cigarette smoking has dramatically has been declining dramatically since the since the black report, what the late report, which is what the late 70s, the secondly. Jacob, are we i 70s, the secondly. Jacob, are we | , 70s, the secondly. Jacob, are we i , youve got marvellous i mean, youve got a marvellous imagination. Imagine imagination. Can you imagine the situation years time situation in a few years time where a 59 year old man cannot buy cigarettes, but a 60 year old man can . And therefore youre going to be to youre going to be asked to produce . Prove that produce . Can you prove that youre old . Im sorry. Youre 59 years old . Im sorry. You its declining anyway you know, its declining anyway. Yeah. Lets go. With the warp and the nation. Not to and weft of the nation. Not to try force it, have to try to force it, but i have to say, i do rather like the idea of if nannies are of a nanny state. If nannies are are for some the are good enough for some of the people i admire are people i admire greatly, are they i they good enough for me . And i think i afford one, think if i cant afford one, lets see the nation provide one. This is the problem with prohibition, right . Which is that addictive. Regulation that its addictive. Regulation is you up is addictive. You end up prohibiting that dont prohibiting things that dont need prohibition. As you said, need prohibition. As you said, cigarette smoking is going. Ironically, its the youngest who stigmatise it the most because stinks and its not because it stinks and its not cool. Because it stinks and its not cool. Vaping is a bigger cool. Vaping is a bigger problem. Absolutely this. Im problem. Absolutely this. Im very worried about a conservative government getting too used to imposing regulations and banning things because it spreads. It spreads , yes. Spreads. It spreads, yes. But the Prime Ministers point that no parent wants his or her children to smoke is a pretty good one, isnt it . And this idea that therefore you just have a cut off point and nobody whos ever been allowed to smoke will be banned , but no to smoke will be banned, but no new will be created. New smokers will be created. Isnt that least a good isnt that at least a good argument . Argument . Society isnt clean and society isnt that clean and its not that straightfonnard. I know the Prime Ministers, hes its not that straightfonnard. I k|fan the Prime Ministers, hes its not that straightfonnard. I k|fan ofe Prime Ministers, hes its not that straightfonnard. I k|fan of maths; ministers, hes its not that straightfonnard. I k|fan of maths andlisters, hes its not that straightfonnard. I k|fan of maths and equations,s a fan of maths and equations, but thats not how the world works. End up with works. You will end up with underground smoking. Why would you gangs a another you want to give gangs a another product sell . Product to sell . Well, thats the other side of it, that you at of it, that if you look at prohibition us prohibition in the us prohibiting something that has been legal is much , much harder been legal is much, much harder than drugs laws which arent particularly successful anyway. Banning something thats never been. And that seems to me been legal. And that seems to me to be one of the risks with this policy is that in 10 or 20 years time you have a huge black time you will have a huge black market in cigarettes and you have an incentive to push cigarettes to younger people again, which you currently dont have. Its also more sustained its also much more sustained label more effective to label and much more effective to let something go out of fashion, right . Do you see people Walking Around snuff . No around with snuff . No do kids bring it back . Do kids bring it back . Do kids bring it back . Ukip bring it back. But its a more sustainable thing if the kids the kids are not smoking cigarettes. Right. Were to down about 5 who are trying out cigarettes. Cigarettes. I remember oscar wildes great line. He said, as long as great line. He said, as long as war is thought to be wicked, it will always have its supporters. Its when its perceived as its only when its perceived as vulgar that people will support it. Look, im sorry. I think it. But look, im sorry. I think that this this does create a whole problems that we whole range of problems that we havent and havent actually grasped. And i think point about think your point about governments being addicted to this very important this is a very, very important point, where the point, because where does the prohibition stop . And your point about the volstead act, there was no mafia, no cosa nostra of anything like that until the until after you ban something. When we had in my football club, we actually had a sweep back in the where everybody we actually had a sweep back in the ithey everybody we actually had a sweep back in the ithey ev up body we actually had a sweep back in the ithey ev up ally we actually had a sweep back in the ithey ev up all the smoked. They swept up all the cigarette they find cigarette packets and they find that then, 15 years ago, that even then, 15 years ago, 80 tobacco that we were 80 of the tobacco that we were smoking in smoking was smuggled in from mostly holland. Mostly from holland. Well, thank very much to well, thank you very much to my mutaz from my panel. I said mutaz was from the express by some extraordinary i hope extraordinary telegraph. I hope i that. Hes from the i managed that. Hes from the telegraph occasionally asked telegraph and occasionally asked me so i really me to write for him. So i really ought but up, ought to know. But coming up, did fellow did you know that my fellow sanitarians somerset aryans used to be cannibals . To be cannibals . Some still are. Theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Welcome back. I continue to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your mail logs. Youve been getting in touch with your mail logs. Mick says, with your mail logs. Mick says, i to understand why people i fail to understand why people like those in the audience at the miserables show do not the Les Miserables show do not sue. Just stop oil for damages. Sue. Just stop oil for damages. And ben says, oh , ben, no, no, and ben says, oh, ben, no, no, no , no, no. Gods own county no, no, no. Gods own county isnt always has been yorkshire. Everyone knows god spent five and a half days in yorkshire and it always rains in somerset. Well, having just come back from manchester, i think manchester gives us a run for our money. But its why the fields are so green are so happy green and the cows are so happy and so good. Anyway and the milk is so good. Anyway im not particularly partial to vegetables though. The runner beans ive always rather liked. Not those watery and chewy french beans and a bit of pop i style spinach. But ive never been the greatest fan. However a new study has exonerated me from all the follett cheerleaders. All the follett cheerleaders. Scientists have found that some people , and im sure im one of people, and im sure im one of them, have a genetic predisposition to crave the fats found in meats and dairy. Predisposition to crave the fats found in meats and dairy. While found in meats and dairy. While some are able to produce the nutrients found in these fats without actually eating them. Now, think i can date my now, i think i can date my carnivorous proclivities back to about 13,000 bc, where scientists have found that my possible ancestor was living in Cheddar Gorge in gods own county. Thank you very much. Ben had cannibalistic tendencies. Scientists say theyre essentially at their dead instead of burying them to stock up on protein and reduce waste, an early form of recycling. Interestingly i listened to an excellent audiobook by dr. Alice roberts called ancestors hours, which noted that the analysis of human bones indicated a higher proportion of meat in their diets than those of the bones of wolves nearby. And she also discussed the cannibalism issue. Well, with me now to chew over the facts is chef and broadcaster tanya buxton. Tanya thank you for coming in this is good news for carnivores, isnt it, that were naturally meat eaters and say we should jolly well carry on well to a certain extent. I think the thing, the thing that we really need to understand we have to understand is that we do have to have diet and it should have a mixed diet and it should be and should be be regional and it should be seasonal thats seasonal and regional. Thats what craves. Whole what our body craves. This whole fad and fashion to become vegans. I dont think is right for us. Years of eating have proved that we do need meat and you cannot become a vegan, you cant be a vegan without subsidising your diet. So you are right. But it depends on how much youre eating, what youre eating and where the meat comes from. So if youre buying organic meat, thats reared in a beautiful , humane way, then beautiful, humane way, then thats going to be really good for you. If youre going to eat battery fed, battery, charged chickens and battery produced meat, thats not going to be quite so good for you. So there is a difference in what youre eating. Okay but one of the things im actually always concerned about is ensuring that people have access that we access to cheap food and that we are import good quality are free to import good quality food around the world. This food from around the world. This hugely upsets the minette batters National Farmers batters of the National Farmers union. Said this at the union. When i said this at the tory conference. But we tory party conference. But we should open world, should be open to the world, shouldnt good shouldnt we . We should get good quality globally because Quality Produce globally because we keep prices down for we need to keep prices down for people who cant necessarily afford hand reared beef. Yes, but the point is you dont need to have big slabs of meat with every meal. So if meat with every meal. So if youre sure you dont, you dont. I know thats what you do have. It is the mediterranean diet, specifically the greek cretan diet is the type of diet that really does prove longevity. But you have to go with your genes, for example. You , a lot african you know, a lot of African People , lactose intolerant. So people, lactose intolerant. So they cant have milk. A lot of asian people cant deal with alcohol because of evolution. So you have to kind of look at what your are and then take your genes are and then take from your genes then from your genes and then be regional seasonal. Regional and seasonal. The problem a lot of these kind problem with a lot of these kind of vegans and vegetarians is that way too much that they have way too much vegetables , so its actually vegetables, so its actually making unwell. And thats making them unwell. And thats why and also theyre not why they and also theyre not getting the right vitamins or the you cant getting the right vitamins or the b12 you cant getting the right vitamins or the b12 if you cant getting the right vitamins or the b12 if youre you cant getting the right vitamins or the b12 if youre a you cant getting the right vitamins or the b12 if youre a vegan. Nt getting the right vitamins or the b12 if youre a vegan. There get b12 if youre a vegan. There are things you cant are so many things you cant get. But eating big of get. But but eating big slabs of meat with three times day meat with three times a day again, especially if its meat thats been processed, is very bad for you. Okay. Bad for you. Okay. Three times a day would be be heavy going, but twice a day wouldnt so would it . Wouldnt be so bad, would it . You lunch and dinner i listen, m listen, dont need listen, you dont need it. And with you and i completely agree with you that you have to have affordable meats. Meats that you have to have affordable meito. Meats that you have to have affordable meito. Of meats that you have to have affordable meito. Of hormones. Meats not to be full of hormones. Of affordable meat, talking of affordable meat, would you encourage people to eat offal . Because i thoroughly enjoy kidneys and liver, which i think are both delicious. And i understand very nutritious, and yet actually we export an awful lot of our offal because the british arent so keen on it. I think its fashion, isnt it . Its a fad and its a fashion. Steak and kidney pies were popular when i love were really popular when i love steak exactly. Were really popular when i love steaithem exactly. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. Exactly. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. So exactly. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. So i exactly. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. So i think ctly. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. So i think its. Were really popular when i love steaithem too. So i think its a love them too. So i think its a case of just re educating people because offal is so for good you. In ritualist you. You know, in ritualist ancient times when they used to kill an animal. Yes the kings would get the offal, they would get the bits that were, you know, nutrients. And know, full of nutrients. And first, before the rest of the animal. This was very difficult for the Emperor Claudius because he this was very difficult for the anperor claudius because he this was very difficult for the a stammer|udius because he this was very difficult for the a stammer. Idius because he this was very difficult for the a stammer. And because he this was very difficult for the a stammer. And becauhe he had a stammer. And when he was carrying his ritual carrying out his ritual slaughter bull, if you slaughter of a bull, if you started, you had to start again and get a new bull. So he would be three quarters of the way through ceremony and through a two hour ceremony and stutter had to stutter and they all had to start so youre start again. So youre absolutely right. Start again. So youre abs theres right. Start again. So youre abstheres right. Of slaughter start again. So youre abstithen right. Of slaughter start again. So youre abstithen righcannibalism. R there then and cannibalism. Dont want to go that far, we dont want to go that far, do we . We dont want to go that far. No, we dont want to go that far, the way that far, though. I like the way that you lineage, you traced your lineage, right back i do back to the cannibals. I do think that people need to have a really look their diet, really good look at their diet, and i understand why a lot of people become vegetarians people cannot become vegetarians because craves meat because their body craves meat so much and thats why they end up breaking and dairy and that now people tell us that butter is much better for you than margarine. Is much better for you than ma and ne. Much, much nicer. And its much, much nicer. And its much, much nicer. And margarine is disgusting. Absolutely plastic food. Its absolutely plastic food. Why want eat why would you want to eat plastic food when butter is delicious . Butter is the only reason to eat bread, it . Because it eat bread, isnt it . Because it allows put a lot allows you to put a lot of butter that youre making me well that youre making me hungry, jacob. Excellent good dinner time. But one of the things thats quite interesting is that butter and theyre if theyre and eggs, if theyre if theyre reared organically or reared in an they have 12 an open way, they have 12 present in them, which is something that we really need. But if theyre reared in a battery farm way or if theyre reared with hormones, dont reared with hormones, they dont have k present. So its quite have k 12 present. So its quite important that, yes, we get reasonable price food, but its got to be reared properly and not be filled full of hormones. So weve got be careful what not be filled full of hormones. So import|ot be careful what not be filled full of hormones. So import and be careful what not be filled full of hormones. So import and exportreful what not be filled full of hormones. So import and export and what we import and export and seasonal food. Right there i think youre so right there because one of great joys of because one of the great joys of an and im sorry an english summer and im sorry this vegetable asparagus this is a vegetable is asparagus. When appears early on in. When that appears early on in the summer, it is one of the most delicious things to eat. Most delicious things to eat. It is. It is. And actually you can grow whatever like. Now, in whatever you like. Now, in britain, i britain, its amazing. I mean, i had an abundance tomatoes had an abundance of tomatoes which wouldnt which traditionally wouldnt grow very well in britain, but you whatever you like you can grow whatever you like now, you have lots now, but you have you have lots of things. And then in the winter, you dont have winter, you dont you dont have quite much spinach you quite as much spinach as you were before, like were saying before, like spinach. Dont need to spinach. But you dont need to have it because its have a lot of it because its got got got lot got some its got ive got a lot of octopus in it, which can be poisonous to you. So these people that have juices people that have these juices that are concentrated that are dense, concentrated juices, well, thats not really good for you. Id rather have beef tea , but id rather have beef tea, but this year was the first year i managed to grow my own asparagus in im very that. So im very proud of that. Well done. Thank you much for coming thank you so much for coming on. Me for this on. Thats all from me for this week. Next, its patrick week. Up next, its Patrick Christys what on christys patrick, what is on your bill of fare this evening . Ihope your bill of fare this evening . I hope youve got some meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h ||e youve got some meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h | am uve got some meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h | am soye got some meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h | am so hungryome meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h | am so hungry now meat. Your bill of fare this evening . I h | am so hungry now after. I am so hungry now after that. Thank very much. Great that. Thank you very much. Great show. Got it all show. Well, weve got it all this evening. Weve got Allison Pearson. Bailey. Pearson. Weve got sean bailey. Weve were weve got amy. Nicole were talking being weve got amy. Nicole were tehate| being weve got amy. Nicole were te hate filled being weve got amy. Nicole were te hate filled little being weve got amy. Nicole were te hate filled little racist being a hate filled little racist cesspool. The hate crime figures are in shock. Horror were a lovely im also gonna be lovely nation. Im also gonna be talking about Kevin Keegans comments as well. Do female pundits football matches pundits at male football matches bother stay tuned. Bother you . Stay tuned. Well, sounds extremely well, that sounds extremely interesting. That interesting. And a reminder that the english, the english, the engush the english, the english, the english best. Thats coming english are best. Thats coming up the weather. Ill be up after the weather. Ill be back im back at monday at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This has been state of the nation and will state of the nation and i will shall be now driving to shall be now driving down to gods i am gods own county where i am certain weather certain that the weather will be absolutely splendid for us. And i bet its raining in yorkshire, huh . Huh . Hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office for the gb news forecast. Fine. In the far south over the next 24 hours, a different story. Elsewhere. There will be cloud. There will be outbreaks cloud. There will be outbreaks of rain as well. Everywhere, of rain as well. Not everywhere, all but some all the time, but some significant rain could build up all the time, but some sigplacest rain could build up all the time, but some sigplaces by|in could build up all the time, but some sigplaces by the ould build up all the time, but some sigplaces by the weekend. I up all the time, but some sigplaces by the weekend. Low in places by the weekend. Low pressure at the moment to the northwest of scotland. A number northwest of scotland. A number of weather fronts of trailing weather fronts bringing a lot of to the bringing a lot of cloud to the uk rest of thursday and uk for the rest of thursday and into friday. Those of into friday. Those outbreaks of rain continuing over parts of wales midlands, rain continuing over parts of wales england, |lands, rain continuing over parts of wales england, northern northern england, Northern Ireland, southern scotland. Initial band of rain clearing from the far north of scotland that away by a strong that pushed away by a strong wind. And going be wind. And its going to be a warm night everywhere with that wind and cloud temperatures wind and the cloud temperatures in not falling much in many places not falling much below 15 degrees. And then we start off friday with those cloudy conditions, the breezy conditions as well. Plenty of brightness actually , for central brightness actually, for central and northern scotland and much better compared with better day compared with thursday and certainly saturday. But for much of Northern Ireland into southern scotland later, as well as northern england, rain will persist through the day. Its to the south were to its to the south where were to going see the warmth building its to the south where were to goinincreasinglyirmth building its to the south where were to goinincreasingly high building and increasingly high temperatures through the weekend are expected. But for scotland, certainly its going to be a wet start to the weekend that rain really building up through saturday in the first part of sunday. Western parts of scotland at risk of seeing 150mm of rainfall. Very different of rainfall. A very different story for the the uk good evening. Wonderful people. Its 9 00. Im Patrick Christys and this is gb news tonight. Christys and this is gb news tonight. Britain is officially not a hateful country. Whod have thought it . Hate crimes have thought it . Hate crimes have fallen by 5 and i will give my perspective on what that means for the device of race baiters who thrive off stoking tensions. Next. Then ill get the reaction from my panel. And tonight, its box office. I am joined by Allison Pearson shaun bailey and amy nicole turner. Whats to not love . But also on the way, Caroline Lucas has accused the tories of a dishonesty epidemic. But should dishonesty epidemic. But should it really be a criminal offence for politicians to lie . Thats for politicians to lie . Thats the extreme action we would have. None of them left. Well,