the world and they're still engineering, manufacturing powerhouse. >> i want to put the cover of the "time" magazine issue up, because it's very clever. it's got a -- if you look at it one way, it says america is in decline and if you turn it upside down, it says no, america is still number one. the american dream. what's happening? >> it's very tough. the american dream is what you're talking about, the broad middle class. and i think we're never going to get back to that american dream. the dream of the 1950s, where some regular person without a lot of education could be a steelworker, buy a house, put his kids through college, that dream is gone. i think we will have to come up with a new american dream, very of the kind you were talking about. dynamic, mobile, flexible, entrepreneurial. you'll fall down a lot more often than you used to fall down in the old american dream.