this is the danger that it will collapse under its open weight. so i do think conservatives need on have an alternative. and the truth is, yes, some of them did support the individual mandate, but i think it's simplistic and accurate to say all conservatives supported it. >> i'll give the last board to anyone who says the fatal conceit of liberalism. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. appreciate you being here. >> willie exams serious journalism with the help of a decidedly unserious journalist. sfx: oil gushing out of pipe.