Gwen s stefani auauthor grantnt morrison. N. An allnew closer look. Featuring the 8g band with Raghav Mehrotra. [ cheers and applause and now, Seth Meyers Seth good evening. Im seth meyers. This is late night. We hope youre all doing well. And now, if you dont mind, we are going to get to the news at the white house ceremony for the unveiling of former president obama and first Lady Michelle obamas official portraits, President Biden said obama was one of the, quote, most consequential president s in our history. That is true, said the consequence. [ laughter ] new York Governor Kathy Hochul announced yesterday that masks will be optional on Public Transportation this comes almost 18 months after passengers made the same announcement [ laughter ] what . Starting today okay. Former trump strategist, steve bannon, turned himself in to new york authorities today to face state criminal charges. Well, the good news is, im positive this man knows how to make toilet wine [ laughter ] the white house announced that President Biden will travel to boston on monday to speak about his initiative to end cancer, because if theres one thing weve learned from boston, anything is possible [ laughter ] i got her back Democratic Senate candidate, john fetterman, agreed yesterday to debate republican dr. Mehmet oz. Apparently, hes trying to get under ozs skin by making him drive back to pennsylvania [ laughter ] put it in google maps thats right Democratic Senate candidate, john fetterman, agreed yesterday to debate republican dr. Mehmet oz. Were not sure when, so heres a clip from punchout to tide you over [ video game music ] [ laughter ] seth according to the latest numbers, the average American Life expectancy has fallen to 76. 1 years old but dont tell that to the 2024 election. [ laughter ] hey, were both above average. We are, its true were both a little bit better than average. [ light laughter ] according to new research, ocean water in the Northern Hemisphere has been unusually warm. Sorry, said this kid [ laughter ] oh, yeah i didnt know what the face would be, but thats what its supposed to be [ light laughter ] according to a new book, former President Trump once tried to pa attorneys legal fees wi horse not rudy tho when is to pay rudy, trump saidoes anyoave ch for pigeon . [ t laug ] so, heted to p with han a pige he wanted change he didnt want to pay rudy a fulgeon he needed change for a pigeon to then give slightly less than one pigeons worth no one said i did a full pigeons worth [ light laughter ] [ laughter ] and finally, officials in nigeria recently seized 16 sacks filled with thousands of donkey penises that were set to be illegally exported to hong kong. The mistake . Bringing them as a carryon. [ laughter ] you know what the great thing about that joke is it doesnt answer any of the questions i have about the news story. [ laughter ] we just all assume the audience would be like, uhhuh, cool, 16,000 donkey penises. Of course, youd want those. [ laughter ] i have no followups just get to the joke. That was the monologue, everybody. We are off [ cheers and applause we are running we got a great show for you tonight. She is a grammywinning musician, has her own beauty line, and she is coming back as a coach on the voice. Our friend, gwen stefani, will be here. [ cheers and applause they are a legendary comic book writer with a debut novel out now. Grant morrison is back and also joining us [ cheers and applause one of my heroes, grant. Before we get to that, donald trump apparently stashed highly classified documents about the Nuclear Capabilities of a foreign nation at his country club and reportedly bragged to friends he had intelligence about the french president s sex life for more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause seth before we get to the story about a deeply compromised expresident with various connections to International Criminals and shady financial entanglements who apparently stole highly classified documents about Nuclear Capabilities and left them laying around the basement of his fake marble golf lair you know, normal politics stuff theres also been an intense heat wave happening in california and much of the west right now. Which first of all should be yet another wakeup call to the imminent dangers of Climate Change but its also one of those stories that comes along every so often that neatly captures just how craven and ghoulish the modern gop has become under donald trump you see, California Governor Gavin Newsom asked residents of his state to conserve energy for a few hours to avoid blackouts, and so far its worked californians banded together and kept the power grid running without issue. But then this midnovember jackolantern who sounds like urkel swallowed a kazoo decided to chime in on the whole thing in a way that revealed a complete lack of shame and selfawareness, for no other reason than hes apparently just a glutton for humiliation. I love that gavin newsom was wearing his fleece, obviously in cool air conditioning, saying, let them eat cake, let them sweat, you dont get air conditioning. Its like john kerry who flies his private jet all over the planet lecturing people that you poor, gritty, working class with dirt under your fingernails, you need to go without an automobile you need to turn your air conditioner off. In fact, you need to just stay home and eat worms seth now, if he has worms on the brain, its probably because there was one in the bottle of the tequila he drank in cancun after he fled his state while his constituents froze in a deadly winter storm. [ cheers and applause you guys remember that is it bad is it bad when your senator looks like harold hill trying to catch a train out of town no [ light laughter ] aside from the cancun hypocrisy from zombie danny zuko over here, i would also like to point out that unlike california, texas deregulated power grid actually did fail during that deadly snowstorm in 2021, and remains so fragile that texas officials basically did the same thing as california earlier this year texas grid operator urged electricity conservation as the heat wave drove up demand. In fact, the states power grid operator asked texans to turn up their thermostats and postpone running major appliances between 2 00 p. M. And 8 00 p. M six hours. Thats just enough time to book a flight to cancun and then have your neighbors, who apparently all hate you, rat you out to the new york times. Remember that . [ laughter ] when cruz invited his neighbors to come to cancun with him, and instead, they immediately called the newspapers to complain about how much of a [ bleep ] he was imagine how much you have to dislike someone to call a newspaper about it i dont even know how to call a newspaper. [ laughter ] and what was that conversation man, cruz stinks. Are you going to tweet about him . No, im calling the newspapers. [ laughter ] i want every Single Person staying at a hotel to hear about this. Anyway, cruz is just one of the more noxious examples of the gops many shameless liars and trump toadies. Theres also florida senator, marco rubio, who has been one of trumps most vocal defenders throughout the intensifying criminal investigation into all the classified documents trump apparently had stashed away at his offbrand marriott for disbarred personal injury lawyers. [ light laughter ] rubio had already dismissed the investigation as a storage issue last week. And now hes complaining about leaks to the media if true, this Washington Post report, highly classified documents at maralago that only a cabinetlevel officer or higher could even look at, that doesnt seem like the kind of thing you should have in your postpresident ial desk drawer. Well, lets break this down first of all, again, we really dont know because lets go back and understand that all of this information is coming from one side and one place and that is sources with knowledge of the investigation well, who are the sources with knowledge of the investigation the fbi and the Justice Department and they are leaking to the media. And the only reason to leak to the media is to influence the narrative, which tells you this is being politicized, which is doing damage to the fbi, the Justice Department, to important institutions in our country. Seth what do you think does more damage to our countrys institution leaking information about an investigation of a great public interest, or donald trump bringing Home National secrets on his last day of work like Henry Winkler taking home the fonzie jacket when they wrapped happy days [ laughter ] and i know the fonzie jacket is in the smithsonian now, but thats only after the feds raided henrys house oh oh, he seems sweet, old Henry Winkler, but he almost never leaves a room without a stolen prop in his pocket. [ light laughter ] but you know, i just have to say im so surprised to hear rubio change his tune on the trump document scandal because before this recent revelation, he was actually very vocal about the importance of being careful with classified information. Apparently this is a level of intelligence classification that goes beyond top secret now, am i wrong in my reading of the law that this would be multiple felonies in every felony in every case i mean, isnt this indictable . Yeah, this is very serious. This is very serious number one, obviously, theres a legal element to it. And again, were going to leave that to the fbi and to the Justice Department but moving forward, theres legal issues here. But let me just say, how can the next commander in chief be someone who inappropriately stashes highly classified information and the risk of that is the risk of that is that were giving opponents of this government, our adversaries, insight into our thinking, into our decision making. And it provides most certainly an advantage in the National Security realm seth thank you, senator rubio. Honestly, its just so refreshing to hear a republican finally muster up the courage to state the obvious and take on trumps various abuses of power. In fact, to celebrate his honesty and consistency, we had an ice cream cake made just for him that says on it, thank you for your bravery, senator rubio. Oh, and crap, i forgot, we we had to turn off the fridge all day to conserve power. [ laughter ] well, its you guys, its the thought its the thought that counts [ applause ] anyway, congratulations to marco rubio for showing the courage to whats that . The clips we showed were from 2015 and 2016, and he was talking about Hillary Clintons emails and we just edited out the parts where he said her name to demonstrate the shameless hypocrisy and debasement in service of donald trump . Well, then you know what im glad the cake melted well just give it to the crew [ applause ] like, blend it up. Tell them its milkshakes. And let them know its my idea [ laughter ] put a note on it, says its from me thatll finally tap the brakes on their bullying. [ laughter ] anyway, so, rubio, like the rest of them, continues to brush this off like its no big deal, despite the fact that trump apparently had some of the governments most closely guarded secrets in his possession, which we now know included materials about a foreign countrys Nuclear Capabilities were following some breaking news on the Justice Department investigation to the documents donald trump had stashed away. The Washington Post has just reported that, and i quote, a document describing a foreign governments military defenses, including its Nuclear Capabilities, was found by fbi agents who searched Donald Trumps maralago residence. The post previously reported that Nuclear Documents were among those sought by investigators. Also, from the post reporting, some of the seized documents detailed top secret u. S. Operations that are so closely guarded, many senior National Security officials are kept in the dark about them. Seth okay, but in fairness, trump was probably also kept in the dark about them. Technically, i guess they had to show him classified documents when he was president , but they probably distracted him the same way you give your kid an ipad on an airplane to shut him up all right, sir, here are those Nuclear Documents we are required by law to show you, but also, we dvred rudys latest appearance on hannity for you. You could watch that or an episode of paw patrol maybe . We do we do love paw patrol. we love law and order. we love paws and laws and order. [ laughter ] plus, rudy does kind of remind me of wally the walrus. [ laughter ] lets just take a step back and let it soak in how insane this is the president just had a bunch of highly classified materials lying around the basement of his country club about extremely sensitive Global Affairs that affect the safety and security of the entire world. And no, im not talking about harry styles spitting on chris pine, although [ laughter ] although, i will say, this right here is one of those extremely rare pop culture moments where i do wish trump had his twitter back just for a minute [ laughter ] so we could see what would almost certainly be a psychotic and likely very funny take on the whole thing. Many people are saying harry no styles spit, drooled on one of our Great American chrises at the venus film festival. Could it have been gum or mint tic tac . Lots of germs. Not nice sleepy joe should act. Whereshunterslaptop. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause i would say the man knew how to tweet, but he clearly didnt, and thats what made it so special. I do think, all things considered, its probably not ideal that an expresident with a bunch of corrupt foreign entanglements to mobsters and dictators, not to mention various indicted henchmen, had a bunch of classified information about weapons that could eliminate all life on earth, just lying around his country club where spies, or botox salesmen, could just easily find them but dont you worry, trumps very normal son eric would like to assure us, contrary to the photo the Justice Department released as part of its affidavit in the case, trump kept his country club very organized. You literally have the fbi spending more time leaking stuff to the press i mean, these pictures you think my father happened to just leave documents all over his office floor seth no. I think when the fbi found them, they laid them out and took a picture of them. [ laughter ] i also dont think drug dealers keep all their money and cocaine neatly stacked on one stable [ laughter ] hey, you sure we shouldnt hide this stuff somewhere, boss . No, i like the way it brings the room together. Yeah, make them neat [ applause ] make all the money neat also, i love how these guys suddenly complain about leaks now after supporting donald trump, arguably the biggest and messiest gossip on the planet he reportedly bragged to some of his closest associates, both during and after his time in the white house, that he knew illicit details about the love life of french president Emmanuel Macron. Im sorry, you think its scandalous that a french politician had an illicit love life you know what would be way more scandalous a frfrench politicician with a boring l love life you think an illicit love life would be bad for Emmanuel Macron . Im pretty sure his official Campaign Slogan was macron a trois . [ laughter ] theres no simpler, more straightforward example of how brazen and shameless the Republican Party has become than its acceptance of law breaking and abuse of power when it comes to donald trump. They will support or apologize for anything he does, no matter how egregious, because they are fully enthralled to his authoritarian cult when it comes to trump, guys like ted cruz and marco rubio have the spines of worms [ laughter ] seth this has been a closer look. [ cheers and applause well be right back with gwen stefani, everybody. [ cheers and applause announcerer for morere ofs cloloser looks, be sure e to subscribe to late night on youtube. E. Yo you gotta a try this n new. Yo itss the fine e fragrancee g. G. O. A. T. yo yo ththe new axee fifine fragranance collectct. Smsmell finer r than the finenest fragranances with thehe g. O. A. T. My most imimportant kitctchen tool . . My brainin. So i c choose neururiva plus. Unlilike some otothers, so i c choose neururiva plus. 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Im not writing you a second letter to the dean [ laughter ] you guys, our first guest tonight is a grammy awardwinning multiplatinum musician her makeup line, give beauty, is available now [ light laughter ] at sephora and givebeauty. Com. She also returns as a coach on the new season of the voice, which premieres september 19th at 8 00 p. M. On nbc. C. Letts take a l look. I havave toured t the world i know howow to do thihis show anand its kinind of a twowo fo becacause ill j just ask hihimi have q questions so, its f fine eitherer way you w wish. You wish a anyways, i i thought yoyou great t job. And i would love to coach you if you want to be over here on team gwen seth please welcome back to the show, our friend, gwen stefani, everybody. [ cheers and applause [ cheers and applause seth welcome back this is so i feel like the last couple of years just evaporated its been, like, two years seth i know. Well, weve seen each other on zoom youve been kind enough to do the show that way. But its been three years since youve been here in person three years, oh, my gosh. Seth its so nice to have you back thats so crazy seth how has your summer been i know you were on the road with blake. Hows that its been really fun. And its something i never thought would ever happen to me. We actually he invited me to be on a couple of his tracks a couple duets or whatever and they went to number one country radio, so seth yeah. I guess you wouldnt have even predicted even ten years ago i wouldnt predicted ever meeting Blake Shelton, let alone being on the road with him and hopping on his stage its been really fun seth and so, obviously, blake i feel like blake and no doubt maybe have different fan bases but are there times does he youd be surprised. Seth yeah. Were definitely crosspollinating. Seth thats good yeah. Seth do you ever do any of your songs when youre on the road with blake . You know what he asks me to do songs all the time and im like, its not my stage. Like, this is so awkward like im forcing myself, like, i want some attention let me be on your its not but he wants me to come on and sometimes ill do, like, dont speak. Seth yeah. And its pretty incredible to be able to have a song that you get out there and you think, do they know me . Like, are they going to be like, why is she here . Then they know all the words youre like, oh, my god this is crazy. Seth thats great. I mean, i guess with songs that iconic, they do crossover, you know, all genre of fan i guess that song is just that, its that song that just went everywhere seth and i would imagine you might be thinking, im not here to steal your focus. But i would imagine an audience loses their mind when they think, im lucky enough im getting two for one. Well, i feel like we were up in, like, canadomew i r even heard anm like i wasnt even going to go up im like not today like im not i was like, how do i not . You know seth yeah. Im never going to be there again, so i do it. Seth do you get worried when youve never heard of a place that youre going to be like, are you ready to rock . And then forget the name of the place . [ laughter ] all the time. Im scared im going to forget your name right now at this point. [ laughter ] seth just say just say, hey, buddy. I respond to that really well. Okay. Seth so, you have now done a couple seasons of the voice. But the last one you did, you won. Winner yep. Seth yeah, congratulations [ cheers and applause do you feel do you feel more relaxed having a win like that, a recent win under your belt winning is fun. Its i think the thing the way i won was amazing because i actually had a 14yearold boy and he was a onechair turn. So, these ears heard a star. Seth wow yeah. [ applause ] seth thats really nice. It was cool and he turned 15 on the show and, you know, when you see him now, his name is carter rubin. Check him out. Hes incredible. Hes just grown before my eyes like hes my kid and hes blossomed, and so yeah, i mean, we dont really win. Its them who win. But it was really fun to coach him. E seth i dont know you definitely said winner real quick and did this thing. That is true. [ laughter ] seth i really feel like youre changing the narrative. And we were all here when you did that [ laughter ] it does feel good to have one under my belt when i go back seth yes theres no way to compete with Blake Shelton seth yes but it must be nice, yeah, to its fun to rub it in when i come back, yeah. Seth he seems very he seems to be someone who both enjoys the rubbing and the being rubbed against i love rubbing him. Its so fun. Hes rubbable. [ laughter ] seth so, you obviously before no doubts time, you had been doing music forever so, you were never in a situation where you had to audition for anyone yeah. Seth the way the voice singers do thats true i always think about that. I did audition to be a cheerleader in high school, and i didnt make it seth you didnt really . Not even like the first i cant believe they even let me try out. I tried out. I really just wanted to wear the outfit seth sure. That was the whole thing. So, i kind of made up for it seth did you know while you were auditioning, this isnt going well . I knew that i wasnt able to do choreography like that. Like i couldnt remember remember, we just talked about that seth yeah. So, i had a hard time remembering the moves, and but, yeah seth it did work out you found a different way into the outfit i got the outfit. Seth in the hollaback video. [ light laughter ] do you feel like the do you think that the cheerleading coach saw this and was like, you went around you didnt go through the proper channels [ laughter ] i dont even know i do think about that. I wonder who that person was, and if they were like, wow, she cheated her way to the top. [ laughter ] seth youre also but now youre also marching band costume as well. Yes seth were you in marching band i was i was a band geek. And i fake played the piccolo for a long time. Seth okay, so what do you mean by fake playing well, im not a liar. But i definitely couldnt really seth a lot of the times you spend telling us what youre not, youve also tell us what you are. Okay, well, i did seth you cheated i just never could get the hang of playing that instrument. Seth do you feel like and they just never noticed you were fake playing theres a lot of people on in the band, right and i was a piccolo seth do you feel like this is a problem across marching bands across america, that there are just a lot of piccolo players who are just faking it i hope not. Seth i hope not. I hope not. I had a lot of fun doing that, though that was incredible. Seth thats good i wanted to be the dancer, but i was in a band uniform. Seth gotcha. Well, thats a good way to start. cause there is some i mean, im not a being insincere. There is a lot of choreography for marching bands as well its a lot of choreography. Seth yeah. Yeah, and i cannot dance. People think that im a i can dance, but i just fake that as well [ light laughter ] seth well, youre very, very good at all of this. Im very sneaky, yeah seth are you really married to Blake Shelton [ laughter ] because it looks that way on tv. This is a fake diamond ring seth ive got more to ask you. 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Not i cant say when because this hasnt come out yet but i know one season, somebody did cool and i wasnt on that season and blake was like, oh, my god, they did your song. And it was a totally weird version of it. And its awesome i love theyre always doing covers on that show. Set i was just wondering its so funny because, obviously, you have these intense relationships with your songs. And im wondering when you hear somebody else do it, is it oh, thats so nice that im sharing it. Or is it like get your hands off it . No, i love to hear them do it its just that sometimes i feel like because theyre so personal, the lyrics, and then, if theyre like doing all these, like, fancy vocals on it, ill be like seth that wasnt actually what i was feeling the day i wrote that [ light laughter ] or ever. Theyre like a way better singer, so theyre, like, making it different seth yeah. So, yeah. Seth youre being very diplomatic, and i appreciate that but its very flattering. Seth thats nice and its incredible seth i want to talk about your makeup line. Yes, please seth give. And this is really cool. And youre doing something even cooler this is what the box will look like i was going to say, is there something in there [ laughter ] seth i dont think so. I feel like weve got some, like, lip glosses for you. Seth thank you so much but so, talk about give community, because this is a really nice partnership thing youre doing well, i mean, back in the day, i did a lot of Different Things but i wanted to when my life kind of fell apart i dont know if people know, but i had, like, a really bad chapter and i just was trying to figure out, what am i going to do for the rest of my life, you know . Even my parents were like, dont do anything. And i was like, i kind of want to do something creative still. So, ive always been into makeup. I was a Makeup Artist way back in the day i worked at the counter. And i did makeovers on people. And i just love the way makeup makes people feel and how powerful it can be and just confidence and all the things it brings its also just an art, like, expressing yourself. So, i felt like people there is a really Big Community out there already of people that are just like makeup fanatics like i am so, i started the line but i wanted it to be more not just about the makeup, but also about the community and giving people a chance to be part of something that ive done and like literally they can sell the makeup ke m off of the collen that they so, its, liits jone of these things where i just take it another step further. Like, you could either work at the counter, but you can do it from home and you can, like, build up your followers. You can have your own platform you can share the makeup. Its like, theyre already doing it, but its kind of making a place for them to all come together seth thats really nice. And you i would imagine back in the early days obviously this all changed now but you are doing the kind of maybe grittier music venues where theres smaller green rooms. And you were doing your own makeup. Ive done my own makeup my whole life and, you know, only until recently i got trk w azing people aearn so much and im still learning thats whats so fun about the community. Everybodys sharing. Like we, back in the day, we didnt have that but now we have access to all this information, and tutorials and great makeup. And so but back in the day i was in a compact on a bus with, like, all guys around me and the bus is moving. You know, it was very challenging. But im actually nervous talking about this because its such a big dream of mine. Ive been working on this for over four years and now announcing it. Like, one thing to come out with a makeup line to come out with this community where people can actually partner with me and be like, you guys youve been exchanging love all this time and now youre going to get paid for it. Like, its kind of exciting for me to, like, be talking to you about it im like, aahh i hope im explaining it right seth i think youre doing a great job. And i think thats really exciting and i think people probably cant wait to get involved with it and it is just always such a pleasure to have you here and in person, better than any other way. Thank you so much. Youre better in person too seth okay. Thank you. [ cheers and applause you guys, gwen stefani the voice premieres september 19th at 8 00 p. M. On nbc. And give beauty is available at sephora and givebeauty. Com well be right back with Grant Morrison whererever you g go. Whereverer you stay. Y. All yoyou need is s one. Earn a and use rewewards acrs expedia, h hotels. 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[ cheers and applause seth welcome back to the show, grant. Thanks for inviting me back its great to be here again. Seth im thrilled to have you. I want to talk about your writing. I also want to take this opportunity, obviously a very sad day, you being scottish. Are you processing how are you processing the passing of Queen Elizabeth . Well, i heard about it just like an hour ago and its kind of its going to be a major existential shock for our country. But for me, its the passing of an age that was the second elizabethan age. We had the explosion of creativity that gave us the beatles and you know brit rock and british artists and british writers. And i think its just really weird. Thats the end of that now its like the shakespearean age is over, you know . Except its now. So, its a weird one im just we scots have a complicated relationship with the monarchy, so, its an interesting one i think. Seth yeah, i think it will take all of us a bit of time the loss of a constant is a very shocking thing yeah, absolutely. Seth when theres so much upheaval, you realize, oh, that was the length of time. And i think they should just jump to the kid honestly [ laughter ] seth now were getting to the nittygritty the serious stuff, you know seth so, youre beloved, youre a wellknown comic book writer and yet, this is your first novel. What was the one, the decision to write a novel . And two, how different was the process . Well, basically, my agent came to me and said, do you want to write a novel . And ive never managed to do one. Because i like books with pictures you know, im basic like that. [ laughter ] its like, if it hasnt got a drawing, then im not interested but i kind of figured, that was the difference you know, i wasnt working with a collaborator this time im used to having an artist or if i worked on television, as you know, theres producers, theres writers rooms its a big thing, its like being in a band or being in a football team. So, it was weird to just be sitting on my own and i had to make the pictures out of words and that was fun because covid at the time. So, theres nowhere to go. I was kind of stuck in the room. And a book came out of it. It would never happened but for the virus. Seth dont brag that up too much no, certainly [ laughter ] seth because people are like, did you write a book, too . Its like, no. I think most people tried seth most tried. Well, its very impressive that you got it done. This is a story about an aging drag queen and a younger sort of prodigy who comes into their life and how it affects it where did this the seed of that idea come from . The idea came i wanted to do a retelling of the old story of merlin, the magician, the arthurian legend and here, the story of merlin at the end of his life, he meets this young witch called vivian and she flatters him and she kind of wants to learn magic and, of course, it all goes badly. You know, hes just the old goat who thinks this beautiful young woman is interested in him and he teaches her all the secrets and then she locks him in an oak tree for all of eternity so, a lesson for us all i think. [ laughter ] seth dont trust the young [ laughter ] yeah, do not trust the young especially the young who want to learn your secrets [ laughter ] so, it started from that and i thought thats a story that really needs a drag makeover, i think. I want to see merlin in a dress. [ light laughter ] so i kind of the idea of doing a contemporary version of that and setting in this theater world that was super contained, with these characters who were basically living in a world, which is our world, where we cant tell the difference between reality and illusion anymore. Were in the world of fake news and vr and ar, all that stuff. So, this book is kind of like, how do you negotiate a world where we dont know whats real and whats true, and whats fake seth to some degree, it seems like, you know, drag is a huge departure from say, superheroes. But in another way, its not at all. Well, absolutely. You think of superman, peter parker, those are just nerdy guys but then they dress up in these super flamboyant costumes and go out at night you know [ laughter ] batmans the worst batmans dressed for the fetish club [ laughter ] he gets in his big car and he cruises the streets of gotham at night. Hes obviously hes hoping the joker notices him. He wants that. [ laughter ] he wants to be seen. And thats why theres no way hes going out as bruce wayne. That guy is putting on the ears and the cape and is like, notice me [ laughter ] so i think its just a hop, skip, and a jump from rupaul to bruce wayne. [ light laughter ] seth yeah, i think youre probably and with each passing day, rupaul almost has as much money as bruce wayne so that getting closer yeah, i think so. And i know she fights crime on the side as well, so [ light laughter ] seth and you do you feel like youve had your own experiences with drag . Absolutely. When i was 11 years old, it kind of started for me. And i remember there was this british comic, and it was this character called danny merlin, son of the wise. And the guy was a magician, this boy magician kind of harry potter for weird dudes. And he wore this minitoga thing. It was a really unusual costume. And bare legs and a pair of sandals. So i thought, ill dress up as this guy. I love the adventures of danny merlin so, i get dressed up to be this boy magician, got myself in a vest, pulled it down, got my mums belt on. And then, i looked in the mirror and i thought, holy you look great. [ laughter ] and i thought, my god, i look like one of these models in the vogue magazines my moms got lying about. So, it kind of messed with my head and in that moment, drag, comics, and magic all hit me like a lightning bolt and kind of out of that grew this yeah, i did that for years on and off. I was interested in performance more than anything to do with gender or sexuality. It was about performance and letting loose all these different characters that i felt was inside seth this book take place in gasglow. Yep seth which is a version i guess sort of a different universe version of glasgow where youre from. Yeah. Seth have you had that name, that version of gasglow in your head forever because its almost too good to be true. Yeah, i mean, i didnt have the name, but i had this version, i had a dream where there was a giant map of a much bigger version of the city and it was the city that i visit in dreams. You know, i think a lot of us have got a version of a hometown or a city that we go to in dreams, and its got places that once existed or places that dont exist. But it was pretty consistent for me and out of that came the notion of gasglow but it was a combination of my hometown in glasgow and brooklyn, because theyre really similar. You know, when i got to new york, it was like, this is like glasgow but gigantic. Because glasgows got the grid systems and its got the kind of energy and the violence. And every band in glasgow used to want to be [ light laughter ] they all wanted to be the velvet underground, you know . So new york was kind of a big influence. So gasglow is really its why the character talks in both british and american idioms. Because i wanted to smash those two together and kind of create this as you see a kind of dream city that combined elements of both seth you dabbled in some punk music back in the day oh, yeah, yeah. Seth were you how did it go it went pretty well we had a pretty good band. But we all fell out in the end, because, you know, bands always fall out and theres a little bit of that in the book as well, looking at the mad dynamics that happen in a group of people. But, yeah, we had a good time. We were psychedelic punks. Thats what we thought of ourselves. We were really into punk music but we loved to dress like the Rolling Stones and putting on all those kind of, you know, flamboyant frock coats and feathers and stuff like that so we would play this crazy fast music, but we were part of the whole scene that became, like, you know Creation Records and alan mcgee, with the jesus and mary chain and primal scream so we used to support those guys, and we knew them pretty well seth that mustve been a fascinating time to be there yeah, it was kind of a wild time and so much of that influenced things like nirvana. And, you know, they were really influenced by those glasgow indie bands of the time. Seth you now, you know, obviously, music is in the rear view and youve become this sort of authority on comics and i have heard that people often ask you questions about comic book superheroes that maybe you werent prepared to answer well, always, you know, people have got these wild ideas. Its like they want to know because the kids who are into this stuff, they take it super seriously. So, they want to know who pumps the tires in the batmobile surely its not him. Does alfred do it . You know, alfreds too busy making sandwiches. So, who the hell is pumping the tires . [ light laughter ] whos putting the gas in the batmobile . It doesnt pull up to the station. Yeah, just fill it up. [ laughter ] so, questions like that. And the one i loved most was does superman eat . Because does he have to eat . Superman, he can hes invulnerable, he can do anything surely, he doesnt have to eat and im having to think of this question and its, well i spoke to the kid and i said, i think he does eat, but hes superman, so he takes every iota of energy from anything he eats so theres no waste product. And then, the guy says, so, it doesnt go to the bathroom so, does it seal up then over time . [ laughter ] and im like, youre leading me into a place i just dont want to go. You know [ laughter ] im thinking superman flying through the air with his ass sealing up give me a break. [ laughter ] so, questions like that. And the worst ones i get are, can you explain the universe and god to me . And i like, people have been trying to do this for the last 6,000 years in Human History and youve come to me . Preposterous figure in a blue suit, and asking me about god and the universe but i always try, and i always give them an answer that i hope maybe will send them away with a prayer in their heart and a song in their head. Seth thats very sweet another really sweet thing i just did this for my son because he wrote, you know, drawings of green lantern, aquaman. And you know, we stapled it together but your mom went and printed your first comics. She did, yeah she used to take them into the office and print them out on one of those Super Old School photocopiers where everything was faded by the time they got to the last page seth yeah. And she would do these just churn these things out. And her friends at work just used to be, what the hell is this you should be working, you shouldnt be doing this. But yeah, she would do, like, 300 copies of some ridiculous story that ive done and then, i could take them in and they looked this is like a real comic, im really published, im the real deal [ light laughter ] no, actually, my mom printed it up last night. [ laughter ] seth we should all be so lucky to have that support system and thanks for being here. Its always just such a pleasure its always great to talk to you. Seth Grant Morrison. Luda is out now. Well be right back with more late night. [ cheers and applause to helelp protect t from h. I prprep withoutut pill. To helelp protect t from h. Withth apretude,e, a prescririn memedicine usesed to reducue ththe risk of f hiv withthout daily y prep pil. With o one shot evevery otr month, j just 6 timemes a ye. 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