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Newly married, pregnant, starting the career of her dreams. Todd caldwell she always put everybody before she put herself. Dennis murphy then, one morning, a single Gunshot Blast rocked the newlyweds home. Seth Techel 911 Recording shes been shot. Dennis murphy a young husband, out of his mind with grief. Dennis murphy it was a tragedy. But, for lisas dad, a Sheriffs Deputy, it was no mystery. He was sure he knew who the killer was. Todd Caldwell Recording go get him. Go get him. Now. Dennis murphy a neighbor with a gun and a grudge. Todd caldwell i thought, they better get to him before i do. Dennis murphy but some said this couple was having trouble. That seth had a secret. Dennis murphy did he tell you she sent me some topless pictures . Colton millard yes. Dennis Murphy Others said the real murderer was someone else, right under cops noses. Jake feuerhelm heres a legitimate suspect that should have been investigated. Dennis murphy a case unfolding on camera, one that would test three juries, shatter two families. Todd caldwell its just like Somebody Hit me in the stomach. Dennis murphy and take one final twist. Presley caldwell that was her biggest secret. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the cornfields of iowa are a far piece from memphis. But it was here, in ottumwa, iowa, a Baby Girl was named after a princess. Lisa marie. Yep, that one. Todd caldwell as a kid, i was pretty big into elvis. I knew that my first daughter was going to be lisa marie, because of elvis, of course. Dennis Murphy Voiceover just as Todd Caldwell hoped, his little lisa lived up to her big name. Todd caldwell she was just the the life of the party. Tracy caldwell once she started talking, she hadnt shut up. Dennis Murphy Voiceover theyre divorced now. But tracy and Todd Caldwell watched their girl Grow Up all but unstoppable. A vivacious, winning teen. bowling, todd, were not just talking recreational Saturday Night now and then . Todd caldwell no, were talking about a state champion bowler. Anything she did, she had to be the best at it. Home Recording Lisa look over here. Dennis Murphy Voiceover lisa was a teenager when her parents divorced. Todd remained an active father to lisa and his three other children. All the while, he was working a stressful and dangerous job as a deputy in the Wapello County Sheriffs Department. He found comfort in several ways. One was his occasional hobby. Hed take out his Sketch Pad from time to time. And then he met and fell hard for a nurse named amy. Before long, he was starting fatherhood all over againwith twin daughters. This time, he was getting lots of help from lisa. She was the twins default babysitter. Todd caldwell she was more like a second mom to the twins than a big sister. Amy caldwell she was just a caregiver to anybody. Dennis murphy they had a very close relationship . Amy caldwell mmhm. Very. I would get into bed with her and wed watch old episodes of the golden girls. Dennis murphy thats a sweet relationship, huh . Amy caldwell yeah. And she always says that i was dorothy, because im such a grouch all the time. But yeah, that was my favorite time with lisa. Seth Techel Home recording im so lucky. Dennis Murphy Voiceover but Stepmom Amy put on her Enforcer Hat when it came to lisas teenage romantic life. Amy caldwell i wanted to know who the boyfriends were. I wanted to know who their Dennis Murphy right. Amy Caldwell Parents were. I i was the one that they had to pass the test with. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the boyfriend who passed with Flying Colors was a kid named Seth Techel. He came from a longtime local family. His grandfather had been the umpteenthterm mayor of ottumwa. Mom was a social worker, dad owned a local Bowling Alley. And the Bowling Alley was where seth, as a young teen, began noticing lisa. His dad was her high School Coach and seth bowled almost but not quite as well as lisa. The two worked parttime together at the lanes. They were becoming Boyfriend Girlfriend and that was fine with both their families. so you liked this young girl . Doug techel oh, a lot. Yeah. Lorraine uehlingtechel she was a part of our family. Doug techel yeah. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the techels were a churchgoing family. And Seths Mom Lorraine remembers how the Boys Compassion for others shone on a Relief Mission to mississippi after hurricane katrina. Lorraine uehlingtechel he just stood and talked to these these folks for hours and hours. And they just became very good friends. And i have a lot of memories like that of seth. Dennis murphy helping people . Lorraine uehlingtechel yup. Unidentified woman Home Recording hold it lisa. Dennis Murphy Voiceover and lisa wanted to help people, too. She followed her father into Law Enforcement. First as a Reserve Deputy in todds Sheriffs Department and then as a jailer in a neighboring county. Todd caldwell i told her that she would have my blessings if she wasnt just an average cop. I wanted her to be a really great cop, because i didnt want to have to worry about, you know, her inefficiencies maybe endangering her life. Dennis Murphy Voiceover after years of Hearing Patrons at the Bowling Alley joke about when the two of them were going to get married, Seth And Lisa made the inevitable official. how do you find out theyre going to get hitched . Todd Caldwell Seth actually came to our house and met with us and asked us our permission to marry lisa. Dennis murphy Old School . Todd caldwell Old School. Dennis Murphy Voiceover after dating for seven years, Seth And Lisa got married in october 2011. She was twentytwo; he was twenty one. Todd caldwell i just told him that no matter what he did, to take care of her and protect her. Dennis murphy and he said . Todd caldwell he said he would. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Lisas Sister another Elvis Namesake presley got much more than a brotherinlaw with seth. Presley caldwell he was my best friend. I mean, he was just kind of that other person that i could always go to. Todd caldwell he called me dad. We told Each Other we loved Each Other. We hugged every time we left Each Other. I mean i felt as close to him as i did my son. Dennis Murphy Voiceover for lisa it wasnt just gaining a husband, it was having all his buddies come along, tooa package deal. so how did lisa put up with you guys . Unidentified man she was kind of interested in the same things that all of us were. Like, she liked to go fishing. She liked to go hunting. She liked to shoot guns. Dennis murphy was she okay . Unidentified man better than seth. Dennis murphy it sounds like you guys all would have been happy if she were your girlfriend. Unidentified man seth was lucky. Dennis Murphy Voiceover lucky, for sure. But seth knew it was time to settle down and get a real job. Like lisa he was drawn to uniformed service. Hed signed on as a Volunteer Firefighter and drew a paycheck as a security guard. But his Fatherinlaw Todd was helping him get a higher rung on the ladder with a Soontostart Job as a jailer for the sheriffs. Lorraine uehlingtechel they were very close. Todd was a big influence on seth. Thats why i think he went into Law Enforcement. Dennis Murphy Voiceover a new job, a young marriage and now more changes for seth. He was going to be a father. Theyd picked a name for the unborn girlzoey maria. In May 2012 they were halfway through the pregnancy. Seth And Lisa, a baby on the way, were starting out their married life in this humble little trailer. It was a gift from his dad, perched on just a beautiful piece of property. It was a kind of Starter Home while they saved some money for the future. The only apparent cloud in the picture was an escalating feud with an across the Fence Neighbor here. There was bad blood. Dennis Murphy Voiceover it happened at five in the morning. A sudden, horrifying sound that shattered two young lives. Operator 911 Recording Wapello County 911. Whats your emergency . Dennis Murphy Voiceover saturday, may 26, 2012. Memorial day weekend. Seth Techel 911 Recording shes not breathing. Operator 911 Recording does she have any medical problems . Seth Techel 911 Recording no, shes been shot. Dennis Murphy Voiceover a Shotgun Blast had ended all the plans of Mister And Mrs. Seth techel. Dennis murphy Coming Up Operator 911 Recording i have a report of a lady not breathing. Marty wonderlin 911 Recording 104. Operator 911 Recording i have now been advised this ladys just been shot. Dennis Murphy Deputies race to the scene, where the shooter could be lurking anywhere. Dennis murphy you didnt know if Somebody Couldve winged a shot at you . 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Im taking my last little loop around the county and going to watch The Sun Come Up And Go Home and go to bed. Dennis Murphy Voiceover that plan came to an abrupt end around 5 30 am, when Seth Techel made a desperate 911 call from his house. Seth Techel 911 Recording shes been shot. Im going to Expletive Deleted kill who i was getting ready for work and i heard a gunshot. And i came running out. And she was shot in the side. Dennis Murphy Voiceover dispatch relayed the message to Marty Wonderlin. The young deputy had never gotten a call like this. Operator 911 Recording i have a report of a lady not breathing. Marty wonderlin 911 Recording 104. Operator 911 Recording i have now been advised this ladys just been shot. Dennis murphy is your heart pounding a little . Marty wonderlin oh, yeah. I mean, thats an understatement. Dennis Murphy Voiceover with his car and his mind both doing ninety, marty raced to the house in under ten minutes. He slowed along the rise of the Gravel Country Road and stopped in the driveway. He had no idea what hed be facing. His Dashboard Camera captured the scene as he approached the house. heres how you get in the trailer. What do you see, right about here . Marty wonderlin you could see Seth Techel up on the porch. He was wearing Cargo Shorts and a belt, and he just bent over, you know . Dennis murphy Whats He Doing . Marty wonderlin sounds like hes crying. Just sobbing. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the toughest call of Martys Career was suddenly so much more complicated. He knew the Grieving Husband on the porch, considered him a friend, knew his wife lisa too, and her father todd was a respected fellow deputy. The Unfolding Tragedy had just become very personal. deputy, how do you set your brain in compartments, where you got to be very professional, this is the first time youve had a major crime, and yet its also people you know . Marty wonderlin its tough. Dennis murphy were you scared . Its okay if you were. Marty wonderlin yeah, definitely was scared. You know, concerned about a lot of different things. Dennis murphy you didnt know if Somebody Couldve winged a shot at you . Marty wonderlin yeah, i mean, that was possible the whole time. Dennis Murphy Voiceover as the only cop at a dangerous, chaotic Scenethe Possibility of a live shooter still on the grounds Martys Adrenaline was pumping. When he entered the trailer, a paramedic was attending to lisa. She was lying in her bed. It didnt look good. Martys only thought was to help her but he had to secure his rifle, so he ran back to his cruiser to lock it up. Marty wonderlin i got on my radio and i think i told dispatch, get 58 out here. 911 Recording call 58 and have him get out here. Dennis Murphy Voiceover badge 58 meant deputy Todd Caldwell, Lisas Father. Marty wonderlin in hindsight, i wish i wouldnt have done that. I wish i would Dennis Murphy why do you say that . Marty wonderlin well, because i saw a lot of things that morning and now because of me, because of asking him to, you know, come out there, hes going to have to live with some of those same images that i do now. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Todd Caldwell was asleep but his Cell Phone was plugged in next to the bed always ready for a middleofthenight emergency call. Todd caldwell we get a call from, you know, a dispatcher ive known for twenty years and i can tell that his voice is different. And from what i remember, he just said, you know, you need to get out to lisas house. Shes been shot and isnt breathing. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Todds Wife amy bolted out of bed. Her stepdaughterher best friendneeded her. Amy caldwell i kind of left him behind. I i didnt put shoes on, didnt have socks on. I went in my pajamas and drove ninetymilean hour, you know . Im an er nurse. Im thinking Dennis Murphy so youre sort of in Nurse Mode there too . Amy caldwell yeah. I was i im thinking, well, you know, maybe if i get there fast enough, that Dennis Murphy Minutes Matter . Amy Caldwell Therell be something i can do. Dennis Murphy Voiceover todd raced behind in a separate vehicle. Todd caldwell i just repeated over and over, you know, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I just remember thats all i could think and say is, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Dennis Murphy Voiceover at the scene, Deputy Wonderlin ran back to the house and did what he could to help the emt. Marty wonderlin started giving lisa cpr, so the paramedic could i think he was getting, like, a defibrillator ready. It felt like forever. You know, and im asking him, you know, you want me to do cpr still . He told me not to. Dennis Murphy Voiceover there was nothing more to do. She was gone along with her unborn daughter. Lisa Marie Techel was just Twenty Three years old. Amy caldwell i ran in there and you could tell that she was gone. Dennis murphy so you went into the bedroom . You saw her . Did you tend to her . Amy caldwell yeah. I hold her i held her hand and i i rubbed her belly and and i just said, my lisa, my lisa. Dennis murphy todd, did you go into the house . I hope not. Todd caldwell yeah, i did. I went in there and id seen her laying there. And id seen the amount of blood that was on the bed and i knew, from my experience, that was too much blood to sustain that life. When i listened to like the Tape Recording of it, i hear myself bellowing. I dont know how to describe. But i dont even remember doing that. Dashcam Footage what happened . What happened . Dennis Murphy Voiceover it was a heartbreaking scene, but deputy Marty Wonderlin had a job to do. end of your shift, your first homicide. So youre in the barrel here. Marty wonderlin got to start working it. Dennis Murphy Voiceover there was an immediate lead from, of all people, Todd Caldwell. The veteran cop, who had just seen his precious daughter lying dead in a pool of blood, said he knew who the shooter was. And in a voice filled with rage, he told his fellow deputies to take the suspect down. Todd caldwell Dashcam Footage that Expletive Deleted . Go get him. Go get him. Now. Dennis murphy coming up, who was Todd Caldwell talking about . Turns out there was someone in Seth And Lisas life who had everybody worried. Lorraine uehlingtechel things were escalating. They thought that they could, you know, handle whatever and but they were fearful. I was fearful. Dennis murphy did you think he was a risk . Todd caldwell yeah. Dennis murphy that this is a guy who was capable of flipping out. Todd caldwell i i did. I did. Dennis murphy whendatelinecontinues. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Lisa Techel was when anyone in this house wears white, it doesnt stay white for long. White . To soccer . Im not gonna slide tackle. 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Dennis Murphy Voiceover todd offered to take seth back to his house, but Doug Techel knew this was a moment his son should be with him. Doug techel it was just bad. I mean, it he was sobbing. And we just hugged and cried. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Marty Wonderlin, working his first homicide, was the first deputy to speak to seth. hows that go . Marty wonderlin you know, i ask him what happened. Seth Techel Recording i came running out. And i looked in the Bedroom And Shes Expletive Deleted laying there. Dennis Murphy Voiceover through the overwrought husbands sobbing, a story started to emerge. Marty wonderlin he basically tells me that he was in the shower getting ready to go to work, and he hears a gun go off. Seth Techel Recording I Ripped Open The Expletive Deleted shower curtain, and i grabbed my towel, and i came out. I didnt see anybody down the hallway. Im going to kill whoever the Expletive Deleted did this. Dennis murphy so theres been some sort of an intruder. Marty wonderlin yeah, Thats What Hes telling me, that someone came in while he was in the shower, Shot Lisa and ran away before he could catch him. recording well figure it out, brother. Seth Techel Recording I Cant Expletive deleted tell todd. Marty Wonderlin Recording well figure it out. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Lisas Father todd thought hed figured it out and already had a suspect. Todd Caldwell Recording that Expletive Deleted . Go get him. Go get him. Now. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Todds Rage was directed at the neighbor on the other side of the fence topped with barbed wire. A fifty sixyearold disabled Army Veteran named Brian Tate. Todd caldwell i just remember saying, go get him. Go get him. Now. And i thought they better get to him before i do. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Brian Tate had been embroiled in an escalating feud with his Neighbors Lisa and seth. Todd knew all about it, and was certain his daughter was now dead because of it. this is this culmination of bad bloods been going on for a months time or more now, huh . Todd caldwell right. Dennis Murphy Voiceover it started about two months before the murder. Seth pulled a dead deer off the road along the property line. Brian tate later tossed the hide onto seths property. Seth tossed It Back, and the battle was on. Tate made several calls to the county, complaining about nasty acts of vandalism. Todd caldwell responded to one in april. And tate pointed the finger at his young neighbor. Brian tate Recording I Cant remember names. Todd Caldwell Recording seth. Seth techel. Brian Tate Recording Seth Techel . Todd Caldwell Recording yup. Brian Tate Recording Torkel . Todd Caldwell Recording techel. Brian Tate Recording techel. Todd Caldwell Recording yeah, his dad owns champion bowl. Brian Tate Recording okay. Todd Caldwell Recording and ill tell i just theyre good people. They really are. Dennis murphy now this guy, Brian Tate, does he know that youre the fatherinlaw of the neighbor . Todd caldwell no, and i dont want to tell him that because i dont want that to affect maybe what he does or doesnt do. Dennis murphy and he thinks thats the source of his trouble . Todd caldwell right. Dennis murphy those people over in the Trailer Property across the way . Todd caldwell yeah. recording well, if you can, let us deal with it. You know . Brian Tate Recording yeah. What if what if what if im the one whos got to catch him . Dennis Murphy Voiceover Brian Tate told todd that Dog Feces and rocks had been hurled at his home. He then showed todd the evidence. He described the vandalism of his home in stark terms. Todd caldwell he says that he thinks these are acts of terrorism and, you know, kind of a bell goes off like, Terrorisms Kind of a weird word to use. And the whole time half the time, i guess, hes sitting there. Hes is i notice a a Shotgun Laying on the ground, you know . And Im Like going that makes me feel a little uneasy Dennis Murphy does that make you a little twitchy . Todd caldwell yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Dennis Murphy Voiceover so twitchy that todd sent a Headsup Email Warning fellow deputies about tate, that he might be dangerous. Todd caldWell Im thinking, i dont want to be the reason a deputy goes out there and gets hurt. Okay, if if you go out there be careful. Tate might be 1096 which means mentally, you know, challenged. Dennis Murphy Voiceover in fact, tate did have a history of mental illness. Hed been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. Seths mother lorraine, a social worker, used to dealing with mental patients, was worried and talked to both Seth And Lisa about their neighbor. Lorraine uehlingtechel she was terrified. This was when things were escalating. They thought that they could, you know, handle whatever and but they they were fearful. I was fearful. Dennis Murphy Voiceover on may 15th, 2012 just eleven days before lisa was killed, an agitated tate made another call, complaining that the vandalismthe terrorism was getting worse. Todd responded again. This time accompanied by thendeputy Don Phillips. Don phillips recording im trying to have a conversation with you. You know it . Brian Tate Recording I dont want to be yelled at either. Don phillips recording Well Im im trying to have a conversation with you, and i dont understand why you walked off. Brian Tate Recording youre youre raising your voice at me. Don phillips recording i youre right. I am. Todd Caldwell Recording What Im Wondering Don Phillips recording because youre not listening. Dennis murphy did you think he was a risk . Todd caldwell yeah. Dennis murphy that this is a guy who was capable of flipping out. Todd caldwell i i did. I did. Dennis Murphy Voiceover and now lisa was dead and the trailer was a crime scene. Marty wonderlin, the first deputy at the scene already knew all about Brian Tate and had zeroed in on him as his candidate for prime suspect. so all the direction is heading across the fence to this guy whose named Brian Tate . Marty wonderlin it is. Dennis Murphy Voiceover and police decided it was time to pay a visit to tate. They armored up and got out their long guns, not knowing what their suspect might do. Marty wonderlin if Youre Ballsy enough to break into a House And Shoot lisa and, you know, make It Back out, Youre Ballsy enough to just about anything. Dennis murphy coming up, cops confront their man. he was definitely a Person Of Interest that we need to go talk to . Dennis murphy did you put your Body Armor on . Don phillips yes, i did. Marty wonderlin i had my rifle out, locked and loaded. Had the Red Dot turned on. If things popped off, we were ready. Dennis murphy when dateline continues. 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Dennis murphy so, whatevers happened here is really within your family, the Law Enforcement family, the county . Don phillips correct. Were a small Sheriffs Office. We know everybody. We know Each Others kids and and extended families. Dennis Murphy Voiceover and they also knew something about that guy next door, Brian Tate. Ever since the first deputies arrived at sunrise, theyd been peeking across the barbed wire. Just how dangerous was this Fussing Neighbor . Were they another Shotgun Blast away from finding out . At one that afternoon, eight hours after lisa was shot, Deputy Phillips and a team of investigators were ready to confront the neighbor. so, the decision is made. We got to talk to Brian Tate. Don phillips yes. He was definitely a Person Of Interest that we need to go talk to . Dennis murphy did you put your Body Armor on . Don phillips yes, i did. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Marty Wonderlin did, too. He was preparing for anything, even a shootout. Marty wonderlin we got strapped up. Were all ready ready for business. Dennis Murphy Voiceover marty was in the backup car while Deputy Phillips and a partner drew lineoffire detail, approaching Brian Tate for an interview. Marty wonderlin hes our prime suspect. Its very possible in all of our minds that he just shot and killed lisa. Dennis Murphy Voiceover as the Phillips Team walked slowly up to the tate house, marty and the chief deputy provided cover in the driveway. Marty wonderlin i had my my rifle out, locked and loaded. Had the Red Dot turned on. If things popped off, we were ready. Dennis Murphy Voiceover nerves screaming. Everyone was poised for battle. Everyone but, it turned out, Brian Tate. He wasnt armed or belligerent. They could all exhale. Don phillips as we walked up there, he was accommodating, got some chairs out for us. Dennis murphy this is Brian Tate, huh . Don phillips brian Brian Tate and we sat down in his Front Yard. Dennis Murphy Voiceover in the Front Yard in lawn chairs, his Mother And Brother by his side. No shotgun in sight. So, the cops turned on a recorder and started asking questions. so, you asked him, 5 am, where were you, huh . Don phillips yes. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he said he was in bed in his basement bedroom, sleeping off a higher dose of medication for his schizophrenia. Brian Tate Recording I went to bed about eight thirty. Unidentified woman recording right after i did. Brian Tate Recording yeah, after mom did. Fell right asleep. Didnt hear nothing. Didnt get up until eleven. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he said he was still asleep when the Shooting Mustve Happenedbefore dawn. Tates mother corroborated his fifteenhour sleep alibi. Though the cops knew full well that mothers can often be biased witnesses. Unidentified man recording did you hear anything in the middle of the night Last Night . See anything . Brian Tate Recording I was in bed. And normally i wouldve been up doing Guard Duty with all this Expletive Deleted that happened. But Im Schizophrenic paranoid. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Guard Duty. The exmilitary man called himself a Sergeant Major and walked the picket on his property line. Vigilant ever since his property had been littered with Dog Feces, his barn pelted with rocks. Deputy Don Phillips knew all about the Vandalism Complaint Tate had filed. He and Todd Caldwell were the Deputies Whod responded to Tates House just eleven days earlier. Theyd downplayed his complaints then and thought he was a crank off his meds. Don phillips recording you said earlier, brian, that you Youd Sit Outside here Brian Tate recording at night . Don phillips recording at night. Yeah. Whens the last time you did that . Brian Tate Recording oh. Its been a good week or so. Don phillips recording week or so . Brian Tate Recording they they dont want me to do Guard Duty anymore. They want me to get sleep, take more medications. Unidentified woman recording you were such a calm, quiet guy until this vandalism started, and then, youre just like a different person. Brian Tate Recording I was mister Nice Guy for a long time. It done me no good. People took advantage of me so im kind of taking a different approach to life right now. Unidentified woman recording i mean, when Brian Tate recording being more serious and more not such a Nice Guy. Dennis Murphy Voiceover after venting about the vandalism, the Fortyminute Interview was over. But investigators werent done. Theyd be back to Question Tate again. so, whatd you think you had when you got back in your vehicle . Don phillips we still had a whodunit in our mind. Dennis Murphy Voiceover but lisas Stepmom And Sister had no doubts whatsoever. Presley caldwell i thought it was Brian Tate. Dennis Murphy Voiceover but investigators knew they still had to talk to the husband. When agents scheduled an official interview with seth for that same day, it didnt sit well with amy. Amy caldwell is this how you how you always treat Grieving Husbands . And i i started crying. Im im there thinking, theyre being so mean to him. Todd caldwell we kind of got into an argument because Im Like, they have to do that. Dennis Murphy Voiceover wouldbe cop Seth Techel agreed completely. He knew the spouse had to be ruled out. He said he was eager to get crossed off the Suspect List as soon as possible. So, he went downtown and instructed his parents no lawyers. Doug techel i remember saying, do we need to go get a lawyer . Lorraine uehlingtechel he was adamant. He said no. Doug techel he said, i didnt do anything. He said, i Lorraine Uehlingtechel he said, i have nothing to hide. Doug techel yeah. I have i dont need a lawyer. Dennis Murphy Voiceover was that a mistake . Seth had told his story to one familiar face after another at the scene. 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It became a shared investigation the Dci Providing Forensic Resources and expertise; the deputies offering local knowledge and manpower. Dcis Tony Birmingham was lead agent. He handpicked fellow agent Chris Thomas to interview seth. Tony birmingham there was no doubt in my mind that chris was the person that that needed to do that interview. Chris thomas we only get one shot at it. And we have to be prepared for this to be just information collecting, or we have to be prepared that this could be our suspect. Dennis Murphy Voiceover so, only eight hours after his pregnant wife was murdered, seths formal interview with Dci Agent thomas got underway. Chris Thomas Interrogation video you can just call me chris, i guess. Youre free to go out of here at any time. Dennis Murphy Voiceover in the interview room, Agent Thomas was in the white shirt, back to the camera. To put seth more at ease, a deputy familiar to him, sat in. Chris Thomas Interrogation video you have a job . Dennis Murphy Voiceover it started routinely. Seth techel Interrogation Video currently, i work out at Job Corps as security. But actually, next month im coming to work here in the jail. Dennis Murphy Voiceover seth had already given his account twice to deputies at the scene, but this would be his first time on videotape. his story begins somewhere around 5 am. Chris thomas exactly. Seth techel Interrogation Video i turned the shower on. I wasnt in there for more than five minutes and i heard this loud noise. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he said he thought it might be a gunshot so he jumped out of the shower to check on lisa. He heard her moaning then made out another sound coming from possibly the back deck. He said he grabbed his handgun from the nightstand by the bed. Seth techel Interrogation Video i run down the hallway and i will be honest i had every intention of shooting whoever it was. I dont see anybody. I dont hear nothing. I run back inside. I run into the bedroom. And i said, lisa. Lisa, are you okay . And shes not breathing. Dennis Murphy Voiceover during the interview, seth sometimes seemed overcome by emotion. Seth techel Interrogation Video i couldnt do it. I couldnt Expletive Deleted protect her when i was ten feet away from her. Why Cant Lisa be alive . Why . Why . Why couldnt i have done something to protect the woman that i loved . Dennis Murphy Voiceover the agent asked seth what he thought had happened. Chris Thomas Interrogation video lets go with your theory here, that it was an intruder, right . I mean, is that fair to cal . Seth techel Interrogation Video thats the only thing i can think of. Chris Thomas Interrogation video what do you think this Persons Intent was . Seth techel Interrogation Video i dont know. Youd have to be a complete Expletive Deleted jackass to walk into somebodys House And Shoot them. Dennis Murphy Voiceover seth then bolstered the cops leading theory of the crime so farthat the neighbor, Brian Tate, had Shot Lisa. Chris Thomas Interrogation video who was the first person that came to your mind . Seth techel Interrogation Video tate. My Crazyass Neighbor who thinks that were terrorists. Dennis Murphy Voiceover seth went into detail about that juvenile Titfortat Dispute with tate that started over a deer hide. He suspected tate tossed it over the fence so he said he responded in kind. Seth techel Interrogation Video i did the immature thing, which i admit. I threw It Back on his property. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the dispute escalated for several weeks and intensified with the incident in which tate claimed Dog Feces and rocks were thrown onto his property. That brought Seths Fatherinlaw, deputy Todd Caldwell, out to Tates House for that official visit over tates vandalism complaint. Seth techel Interrogation Video todd said that tate, the whole time, was sitting on his front porch and he was rubbing a loaded shotgun. Dennis Murphy Voiceover seth said he knew the tenor of the visit because todd had filled him in later. His fatherinlaw also gave him a strong warning. Seth techel Interrogation Video hey, if youre doing anything to his yard, knock it off. If your buddies are doing anything to his yard, knock it off. Do not mess with this guy. Hes off his rocker. Hes going to be the next person Chris Thomas Interrogation video sure. Seth techel Interrogation Video to shoot a cop. And i said, im not messing with him. Ill make sure nobody else is. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the Murder Weapon Hadnt been found so the State Agent asked seth about the firearms he kept in the trailer. Maybe one of those had been used. Chris Thomas Interrogation video do you have any guns that are missing at your house . Seth techel Interrogation Video i havent looked. Chris thomas if one of those guns is used in the homicide, we want to know where its at. Interrogation Video dont you agree . Seth techel Interrogation Video oh, yeah. Chris thomas so i just ask him to write down the guns that are in his house. And he writes them all down. Dennis Murphy Voiceover inevitably, the agent turned to the sharpedged, intrusive questions that all husbands with a murdered wife have to answer. Wannabe cop that he was, seth knew very well what was coming. Chris Thomas Interrogation video were going to ask you some tough things, okay . Seth techel Interrogation Video thats fine. I i know im, obviously, probably Number One right now. Chris Thomas Interrogation video lets talk about people that are in your lives, and lisas lives, um, was there any Extramarital Affairs . Seth techel Interrogation Video no. Dennis Murphy Voiceover seth didnt hesitate. There were no other women. But out at the trailer, quite unexpectedly, someone was about to put the lie to that rosy marital picture. A good friend of seths named colton had walked up to the crime Scene Tape at the drive. He told the deputies and agents there that he was looking to pick up his puppy that seth had been boarding for him. The investigators began peppering the young friend for info about Seth And Lisa. A detail that tumbled out surprised them. what was the story you told them, colton . Colton millard i told them that seth had a tracfone. Dennis murphy some kind of a secret phone, huh . Colton millard yeah. He had been talking to a girl. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the investigators had no idea where this would lead, but the unexpected revelation that there might be a girlfriend in the mix meant that they had to get on the horn with agent Thomas Downtown and pronto. Seth was still in the Interview Chair but he could walk at any moment. Dennis murphy coming up, more about seths secret phone. 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He was oblivious to the fact that the interrogator confronting him was getting real time bulletins from the crime scene. Chris thomas i got a text. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the text was from a fellow agent at the scene who had spoken to seths best friend, the guy with the puppy. Chris thomas and this person had told him a story about a girl named rachel. Dennis Murphy Voiceover but Agent Thomas held his fire at this point, in part because his information was still limited. Seth, however, likely could see the agent reading a text. The husband father tobe, who had answered an emphatic no to the question about an affair then made an admission, perhaps a preemptive strike. Seth techel Interrogation Video there was a female from work that i was texting. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he said her name was rachel mcfarland. But seth immediately downplayed her importance. He said even lisa knew about her. Seth techel Interrogation Video but i wasnt seeing her. It wasnt anything. It was just, hey, how was your day . Type of thing. Chris Thomas Interrogation video would it be considered sexting . Seth techel Interrogation Video no. No. None of that. Chris Thomas Interrogation video what are you wearing . Seth techel Interrogation Video no, there wasnt any of that. Lisa found out. Everything was kosher. I stopped talking, you know. We got over it. Chris Thomas Interrogation video we have to be honest about her, okay . Is there anything that you havent told us yet . Seth techel Interrogation Video no. Everything is going to add up the way i just told you. Chris Thomas Interrogation video Rachels Dna Wont be, maybe, on your clothes or . Seth techel Interrogation Video i never had sexual sex with her. No nothing oral, nothing like that. I gave her hugs, and ive kissed her. Dennis Murphy Voiceover by now, Seths Father and attorney had arrived and were trying desperately to end the interview. But it was afterhours, and the Outside Door was locked. bang, bang, bang on the door, doug. Is that you . Doug techel thats me. Thats me. Lorraine uehlingtechel they wouldnt stop. Doug techel they they didnt stop. Lorraine uehlingtechel they didnt come out. Dennis Murphy Voiceover they didnt have to. Remember, seth was advised by Agent Thomas that he was free to leave any time. Everything was legal. Lead agent birmingham, watching seth on a monitor, simply ignored the commotion outside. Tony birmingham i did get information that they were wanting to get in and wanting to come in and tell seth to stop talking. Dennis murphy which would shut you guys right down . Tony Birmingham Seth is an adult and he has the sole obligation to invoke his right to remain silent or his right to an attorney. And and No One stopped him from doing that. Dennis Murphy Voiceover so, thomas kept answering asking questions, and seth kept answering them. Chris Thomas Interrogation video have you ever lied to lisa about rachel . Seth techel Interrogation Video no. She found out and that was that was that. Dennis Murphy Voiceover meanwhile, both Dci Agents, birmingham and thomas, had now learned more complete details from the scene, from seths best friend, the guy with the puppy. The friend, colton, had explained that seth was using his special tracfone as a steamy hotline. Colton millard i know they were exchanging photos. Dennis murphy did he tell you she sent me some topless pictures . Colton millard yes. Dennis murphy did you see them . Colton millard yes. Dennis Murphy Voiceover armed with this information, Agent Thomas decided to show his cards and see what happened. Chris Thomas Interrogation Video Weve talked to colton. Did colton know about you Texting Rachel . Seth techel Interrogation Video mmhm. Chris Thomas Interrogation video did you tell him about it . Seth techel Interrogation Video yeah. Chris Thomas Interrogation video this is an ongoing investigation and its up to you to be honest. Seth techel Interrogation Video theres obviously more to this rachel thing. She was under the impression that lisa was going to be packing her stuff up and leaving. Chris Thomas Interrogation video when . Seth techel Interrogation Video Last Night, today. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he said hed talked to rachel about him Divorcing Lisa as recently as the night before at work. Seth techel Interrogation Video she just asked if i was going to go through with it and i said, yeah. I mean, i shouldnt have lied, obviously. Dennis Murphy Voiceover he admitted he liked Rachels Attention but said he really was just stringing her along. Seth techel Interrogation Video we were having a baby. I wasnt going to leave. I couldnt leave. Dennis Murphy Voiceover Lying To Rachel was wrong, he said. But he claimed that lying earlier in the interview was simply a way to spare his grieving fatherinlaw, Todd Caldwell, the embarrassment. Seth techel Interrogation Video i did i this was something that i didnt want todd to find out. Dennis Murphy Voiceover the interview had been going on for close to four hours now, and agent birmingham was well aware that Seths Father and a lawyer wanted to shut it down. Agent thomas then took a break, leaving seth inside the room to stew. He met with birmingham, and they decided he had to go nuclear. be confrontational, because the clock is ticking. And if were ever going to be tough, now is the time. Chris thomas now is the time. Interrogation Video heres the deal, okay . The facts right now, these case facts, show us youre responsible for killing your wife. Seth techel Interrogation Video no. No, im not. No. I cant kill my wife. I cant do it. What facts do you have that i killed her . Chris Thomas Interrogation video listen. Ive seen rachel, okay . I know what guys see when they see her, because i see the same thing. Okay . Seth techel Interrogation Video im telling you if i wanted to be with rachel, i would get a divorce. I would not Expletive Deleted kill my wife over something that small. You know what . Right now, i guess i dont give a Expletive Deleted what happens to me, okay . I know what happened. I know what youre trying to do. Chris Thomas Interrogation video what am i trying to do . Seth techel Interrogation Video youre trying to get me upset, and its working. Congratulations. Dennis Murphy Voiceover upset at this hostile line of questioning, seth said hed had enough. Got up and, strangely, shook thomass hand. Seth techel Interrogation Video thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Dennis Murphy Voiceover and then he walked out. In the end, what did the investigators have . That seth lied about sex. But was it even that . All he admitted to was making out with rachel. And on the big question, he insisted, over and over again, that he did not kill lisa. Even Agent Thomas expressed disappointment with the outcome of the marathon interview, nearly five hours long. you felt youd come out of a Fifteenround Fight . Chris thomas it was exhausting. Felt somewhat like a failure in some regards. Dennis murphy why . Chris thomas we didnt get the full confession. Dennis Murphy Voiceover maybe thats because seth didnt do it. Agent thomas just didnt know. But the women in the caldwell family, without knowing any of seths admissions about rachel, believed with One Hundred Percent Certainty that seth did not kill lisa. Especially Lisas Sister and seths great friend, presley. Presley caldwell i was never thinking that seth did it. Dennis Murphy Voiceover only Todd Caldwell was no longer a true believer. The cop in him questioned why seth needed to lawyer up. His own investigative instincts also kicked in, though hed asked his fellow deputies not to tell him anything until they were ready to make an arrest. And late on Day One of the investigation, they werent even close. Tony birmingham i would say, at at ten oclock on Saturday Night, may 26, that neither seth nor Brian Tate were completely eliminated as suspects. Dennis Murphy Voiceover at that time, investigators were meeting at the Sheriffs Department Command Center to take stock. They knew they had a husband with a possible girlfriend and maybe a crazy neighbor with a vendetta. But they also learned by that night there was a missing shotgun. What did it all mean . Dennis murphy coming up, one piece of the puzzle falls into place. Dennis murphy boy, that was a huge development in that case. Marty wonderlin it was. Dennis murphy and then, another round of heartbreak for lisas family. Dennis murphy so this has got to be just more than your brain can absorb. Presley caldwell definitely. 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