Is privatizing. All the civil coming up in todays going underground so the lives of hundreds of thousands of british children in tory britain are apparently under threat according to antipoverty charity the Trussell Trust as u. K. Children lose access to Free School Meals during the Summer Holidays years of blairite labor and tory austerity have been put into sharp relief in one of the richest countries in the world meanwhile record rises in homelessness have accompanied the transfer of wealth from social services to defacto taxpayer benefits for the city of london some believe that all it would have taken for engineer liberal leader Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister of britain right now instead of theresa may propped up by a party linked to far right paramilitaries would have been of the lethal Grenfell Tower inferno had happened before and not after junes u. K. General election joining me now is the founder of the big issue crossbenchers lord bird who is proposing the creation of a new body to curb the excesses of capitalism but welcome back to. Going underground so wants to resume the governments response to a proposal for a poverty prevention unit well when i spoke to her previous to the election just before a few days before she announced it. She liked the idea of looking at this how you could make all departments pass through the prism of how does this relate to prevention she like the idea of it are made the point to save or making it that most units never really car use says theyre bureaucratic and i mean theres a squad of form filling in and all that and we know damn well that every every government minister in their department are told clearly like you know chasing the greyhound chasing the rabbit of their department and then you know in the slightest bit interested in working across party and across government so you really got to get these people and banging their Heads Together thats why you need a union but when you as a crossbenchers work in the as a lord byron as buskers d. W. B. Under secular state employment is at an all time high in rejecting your proposal it sounded to me like in the house of lords so a poverty prevention unit at a time when weve never had it so good when it comes to employment. Well it seems to be the what do you make of a response as a as the government well i you know you know people have to make responses you then have to move on and and do what im carrying on with the concept of what im calling a Prevention Alliance which is across both houses across all parties and im trying to get the government to turn them into a unit so there is measurable and the heads are not together what do you recall once people say and well John Mcdonald also just previous to the deputy just previous to the elections said if youre going to see to raise or this is well before you know if you got to see teresa tell her that we are up for working in a nonpartisan way around dismantling poverty you see the the problem is about seventy percent of all the efforts the government of the both houses are round poverty and its effects so were always dealing with this even if were dealing with the environment were dealing with all sorts of things im poverty is there all over the place so poverty is to every radical poverty were almost talking about creating a day of small government a day of a Small NationalHealth Service a day of a vigorous Education System only things if we dismantle poverty so John Mcdonald and tereza my and other people realize that the writing is on the wall we cant just keep trying to give the poor a little bit of a bit of better conditions my argument and it is maybe because im a marxist catholics on the bit weird there my argument is that we have these people called victims and we have these people call rescuers and they the never the twain shall me theres always a lot of people doing a lot of good for the victims but i mean. Never get them out of victim ship or even if it is a good thats thats arguable and one could say because surely the forces of capital have found a way to solve the situation i mean i know the shelter which runs right into a few personal problems of the greenville tower its a directors skipping over that theyre saying one million risk homelessness in the next two and a half years private renters at the moment but havent the voice is a cabin of an annoyance or social cleansing move all these people out of the big cities or the campuses or at the then what happens is you move them all you move into something Something Like grand will happens and instead of having to spend a pack a pound on a problem you have to spend a thousand and whats happened with grumble is its alerted people to the fact that we have been getting increasingly were moving further and further away from the concept of social housing and with that where men were allowing borrowers like Kensington And Chelsea who have a real problem their big problem is how does a posh borrow with a shed load of money on a log bridge people how can that how how can they relate to a very very poor part of the borrower where youve got people who are destitute as anywhere else in the u. K. Its very very difficult who has learnt to you know see the pasha off and make sure they get all that they want you know paying their rates and at the same time help people who are absolutely desperate its almost like asking people to be schizophrenia you know the two opposites and that is why that is why we need we dont need to believing we can lean poverty to local authorities we have to have a almost a kind of minister of poverty a minister who looks after who runs of the poverty unit who runs the prevention unit and is in a in a way struggling to cope. Find a balance all of this and bringing people into the fray rather than just leaving it to Kensington Chelsea or westminster westminster its some of the poorest people this isnt Tower Hamlets this isnt you know this isnt you know south sheffield is a mile and i should say Labor Councils arguably do the same as the library. Unisa paul you missed municipal socialism is as guilty as municipal conservatism in this area the most revolutionary idea arguably youve come up with and im not surprised that you know whether you thought you were going to get it through the private members bill given the property is the bedrock of capitalism you wanted to treat private renters the same way. Young. People getting moved is due yeah there is only about the private members bill because it seems pretty fundamental what happened to it and what is it its a its a private members bill its had its First Reading its Number Thirteen in the list certain it will at some stage get a second reading but that might take a year or two so im trying to just tell me what the im trying to push it forward the idea here is that what you do is if you got a mortgage tomorrow and a year later your Credit Rating youre create rating will go up the more you pay your mortgage if if i am living in rented accommodation of been there for ten years that the people who decide your Credit Rating say im sorry youre in rented accommodation so what youve got is youve got to go i mean its them and asked over Credit Rating now the problem is if youve got a load Credit Rating that means youre going to pay more for your credit whether its bart getting into a mortgage whether aspiring white goods whether its going on a holiday whether its buying School Uniform for the children so whats happens is youre paying more so the poorer you are the more youre paying because even though youre paying the rent and the council tax so what were doing is were saying no no no youve got to change it so the big issue invest which is a part of the big issue has over the last three years lifted quite you know i think in the region of over a Million People working with experian good capitalist Country Company we working with them and weve helped to raise peoples Credit Rating eighty percent of the people we work with so were talking about over a Million People who are paying less for their credit which means to say that theyre not being penalized simply because they are paying rent there whether any thing good could have come out of the original atrocity in Kensington And Chelsea i mean we talked about. Increases in almost as i think the ninety seven percent down and terms of social housing says David Cameron addresses may want to government the way theyre reporting the aftermath of grandville the faces of Mainstream Media they actually look frightened as if they suddenly realize the kinds of issues youve been talking about for two three decades maybe. I do or do think theres a kind of bit of the writing on the wall i think were all a bit cheesed off with the way that were treating the poorest the most needy the way that any borrowers they always move their poor into the same area so for instance you could be bringing up your children you could be having a very very hard life you could be on a minimum paid work it and theyll move you into social housing where youve got other people who are very very similar so in a way it kind of depresses everybody or im talking about and ive been advocating is that we dont need more social housing what we need is more social housing and sociable housing is where you and i and other people in our children and grandchildren wherever one of our we all mix in together so theres a lot of gated communities i think gated communities are a killer for the people who live in them because it turns them into zombies social zombies and it also turns pit it kind of is them and us so i ive been talking about social housing. Rather than just social housing and that is where you mix it up it used to be mixed in other areas other times where i lived in a slummy part of notting hill after the Second World War there were people who were there was slums here and then there were other people right now theres this kind of cleansing notting hill is is a new kind of slum its a really really posh. Lot but thank you after the break arts of all vandalism we speak to the artful dodger about using spray paint to fight against Police Brutality tourism a and social cleansing and from the headlines will be finding out who is striking at the heart of the Health Service and taking a cheeky peek at some poverty pong ball the ball coming up about through im going underground. For. In the heart of the swiss alps this is a place probably more secretive than the pentagon more mysterious than the cia and better guarded than for knox swiss customs are here permanently all the site is controlled by them and they impose the opening times. Opposite it is from his office the procedures in place of the strictest in all europe masterpieces by artists like pecan so and modigliani are camped boards and sold inside this warehouse thats where the report comes in it covers up deals which are naturally discreet commercially discreet step but also discreet because they concern fraud. Some of those paintings are linked to dark secrets nobody knows how many of these secrets a kept inside the geneva freeport. Youll never obtain an inventory of all the works in the freeport who knows how many there are three hundred three thousand three hundred thousand is it a matter of confidentiality only is it the worlds black box of the art business. Welcome back with me now is broadcaster and former liberal democrat member of Parliament Member to pick lembit before we go on to your real newspaper stories i noticed a lot of interest in this country about the diana story in the daily mirror saying British Police told me Princess Diana was murdered death question on was Collateral Damage employed what do you make of all that you see the documentary it continues to be the Conspiracy Theory of the day its been going on for twenty years now frankly somebody saying i was told that Princess Diana was murdered isnt really proof is it i mean ok maybe maybe she was maybe she wasnt but on the balance of evidence is that the main thing you got to talk about she died it was tragic the princes of chad their hearts which is far more interesting lets get on with the news this is from Global Research yes global star says u. S. Has budgeted forty nine Million Dollars for venezuelan right wing since two thousand and nine such its not that much nicer here in the Country Club Area of caracas maybe maybe where you come from and i think its quite a lot because these are the people who are complaining about president maduro and suggesting that hes not up to the job youve probably seen in the western media a lot of complaints about madeira saying that its corrupt saying that its becoming a despot and the americans quite keen to stir it up none of this money is to help stability in venezuela is to help oust the person whos democratically elected just in this month but i mean is it all grossly that important to me corbin says for instance that we must condemn violence on both sides presumably a bit like apartheid south Africa Nelson mandela a violent terrorist you must get versus a violent apartheid racist government you should just be ever going to win are you really stretching it here corbin is being under fire because he wont condemn the democratically elected president of venezuela really ive been to venezuela there are lots of problems there but in reality corp and. And said anything wrong its another chance to have a positive end because the people who dont like him dont like the fact he supports madeira oh and thats probably all of the americans and anybody else is too lazy to see what hes really done and at the same time if washington really wants to create another syria in venezuela i still live there actually hundreds of thousands dead in venezuela is that what washington wants it might be the price worth paying for far more oil reserves than even in iraq just put it out there ok meanwhile back here them Mainstream Media not as interested in this story as they are in venezuela for some reason theres going to morningstar this one is about industrial unrest the morris morning star says nurses scrap the wage cap all well strike the morning star claims probably correctly that there is a risk of having a strike as a result of the problems in the Health Service or aging the Royal College of nurses and thats a fairly reliable source so you would say well money stars found to be trying to stir it up and on this occasion they are saying that john a davis is warning the chancellor of the exchequer that if he doesnt pull its finger out and get decent wage rises to then its as still going to go wrong this on top of the fact that the n. H. S. Cant currently recruit enough nurses thats tied into brac set and probably to do with poor wages too and lots of problems brewing because he alleges paid for by tax very hard at the rate that other countries or some other countries do g four s. Results today though around four billion in revenues why dont these nurses who are on low pay get shares in g four s. Who get the contracts despite being under an s f o serious for diversification the same time its a brilliant idea actually lets not eat for four weeks and put all the money we save into g four s. Shares how do you do next i did know to actually before we go on to the next one i did notice this thing that someone was saying that they went to the n. H. S. For cancer care and was offered a leaflet on going private its a little story its a bit of a tragedy i suppose shes terminally ill i think school dolly show field and see. Letter Advertising Private cancer care now i think its been big up a little bit in the press but it is insensitive and the fear is just outside the gates of the National Health service all spittles the private sector is waiting to cash in and perhaps this is slightly incentive example of that private sector of to him subsidized backed up by the taxpayer through different tax concessions and the problem of private partnership which will be paying for for years ahead but dont get me going on that we come back thats not the time lets go to the guardian exciting competition that could solve all these problems instantly the guardian has uncovered this as if it wasnt tasteless enough already gets a house for free poverty porn at its most pernicious the man pictured here is called marco until innocent generous philanthropic with a very difficult upbringing he was poor himself whats interesting about this story is hes getting the poor the deserving poor to bid for a free house im sure its bid i mean its a channel for all of bushs british t. V. Station which is long been controversial and increasingly grids are they going to fight for this in a gladiatorial style way as a syrian refugee family a person with partially sighted its not exactly a glug made is what you probably development is yes but the idea is hes actually quite empathic and said im still in the story of the Actual Program but apparently he comes across as quite a good guy but as you say execute the refugees if they dont get their house whatever you think its a virtual execution if youre homeless then you archly cited personal ratings or go through the roof in that case but no theyre not doing it out of perception know what public bowie of greater faith than me the fact is that one of the families will win the house on the basis of whatever criteria marcos sets i just cant believe that theyre going to have some of the poorest Vulnerable People in society competing for rich mans how could i. Done tastefully thats accepted might be done tastefully it minds have a good social subtext but really what are we watching were watching families competing to get out of at least one part of their poverty just maybe theyll be talking about the extremes of wealth and poverty and in that sense the millionaire a poor man come good maybe has something useful to say so i dont knock it until ive seen it but i dont like the idea even to be just you know just three families are now made homeless is a statistic from a shelter in scotland so this is one family i think they get a place and thats only two made homeless so thats a better statistic than the current three made a mess every hour because of austerity policies that will go the whole of the u. K. Now to be one slightly less bad day thats the could it like them bit opaque thank you. Forty six years ago today britains tory government sent the army into Catholic Homes across the six counties of Northern Ireland operation dimitrius conducted by m i five and of the royal ulster constabulary would lead to thousands being forced from their homes and to mess and the catholic imprisonment without trial let alone torture as judged by the European Court of human rights and today even as britains to resume holds on to power thanks to a billion pound payment to a party linked to protestant paramilitaries the legacy of u. K. Repression lingers and all across the island a violent murals remain a testament to the martyrs who died at the hands of British Secret police and soldiers those murals inspire the artful dodger a london street artist to use his pieces to speak out against social injustice today Deputy EditorSebastian Baca went to speak to him in south london we have covered the artists face to hide his identity. Oh in politics of course when strange bedfellows i mean another of those people who say we should be like celebrities and stay out of politics or social issues but i think if you have a talent and you have intelligence to use it in a way which i would refer to be Creative Intelligence people would say that im taking sides well i dont see it that way i just think that the other side im taking is one of the tricks. For me as with a lot of people are supposed politics is a dirty word some of the social commentary. That kind of was a seed was planted in the last eighty because. Just ninety six i just on a world billboard i spray paint star which went up on billboards around the country and i had an x. Small Community Isolation and a gallery and nothing of. Someone came down from a local newspaper you know he wrote about me. And of the end of it he kind of made a comment which was unexpected for me but i actually had a lot of truth to it when he talks about the political and island and also the history and he says seventys over him britain whos saying that youve got a new generation of young artist coming up who were obviously talented a lot of them but all theyre doing is writing the name why its such a waste my ego kind of took a slot once again. But i actually want to one i thought well actually. Why am i complaining hes right and i began to think. If we look at it from another angle a lot of people that appreciate my work at the time were young people. As well as on the local Community Online and into Housing Estates stuff like that i think a sense of myself. How lucky the generation of artists who are producing something for young people and a style this time by young people want to use it while the news to a lot why our names Say Something which young people who are concerned about a word about care about and we can actually use it as a way of speaking for ip is a no sir communicate in the will appears but on a wider level my two sons are into street rising. And i began to think that actually the not show where kind of light potentially politicians for the. Not just what was going on in the media and. The conservatives continue bumbling washhouse so to speak and saw the concepts of popped into my head so i did a lot of various pieces using the thing thats going to be a thing which im going to continue using not. What i think in a way of getting people to actually look at whats happening in the world and especially british politics for instance president promises that hes making and you know in about face time the same old story and i think the british people should hang on to the same contributes id like to talk with the podium not just the press press politicians impressment School Leaders and to explaining why they did something to make inside the station kamin is part of politics and over here im interested in because everything is interconnected i mean i remember doing a couple of pieces concerning the American Election one of them unpacking was to sun accounts of america mainly because a lot people say it was like a painting but it wasnt it was just a painting which was based on the simon gough phone call mrs robinson shoot and reference joe dimaggio on iraq. And america because it was almost like saying america is in darkness stay need a hero they need light they need guidance so where have you gone you know this golden hero account in america you know the world needs you now say wasnt it on to trunk. Peace it was basically one calling out saying that America Needs heroes and the reality is we shouldnt keep looking to playSchool Leaders for that because trump is a bad candidate but then again so was clinton i think if you look at how political history how she was in bed with cope. Aeration and also why dont people actually look at the stuff which was released by wiki leaks about clinton in the Clinton Campaign if you really want to look at the truth sort of kind of does i mean forget what russia was was reportedly saying or doing i mean but i think its funny how the media got the public to focus on just a few things all trumps at this time so i think the kind of as controversial as it may seem clinton was worse than trump he said a lot of he said the law stupid stuff but what she did was worse and more he said by all means necessary its time to stop the hypocrisy what you call vandalism i cant do because youre kind of fun to listen to stuff i know that im tongue like porn and i thought because im not asking permission im just going out there and im painting stuff which are feel is important i think people should think about because im not being paid to do it but the far off on my own kind thats not no compromise because when you have a sponsor you are beholden to the sponsors when you do things off your own back this is you in the conscience that you have. 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I remember when we first met my life turned on each breath. But then my feelings started to change you talked about war like it was again still some are fond of you those that didnt like to question our ark and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not please a funeral the same as one enters the mind gets consumed with death this was quite different i speak to you now as there are no other takers. Claimed that Mainstream Media has met its maker. Its. Not. Easy to get out is. The u. K. s government reporting turns down the request for ecuador to grant diplomatic status to greatly expand the union assault. On the us says it will spend one hundred fifty Million Dollars rebuilding iraq the city is devastated by the war on islamic states a figure wolf by how much. The pentagon has requested this year the military operations there. And germany refuses to deport a turkish extremist who supported terrorists in syria is present in my stop he could be released next year. 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