Forget if you get interested to transport were reaching awash in france in germany pretty much all over the world. By cars the car is to boost used transport if you could. Car pulling a what we do is actually very very tiny today so the biggest expense for us in the next year but in the next 510 years is how do we built a better product with more safety maybe a better economy contract between the passenger and the driver to convince more drivers to shove a call under the seats now you mentioned that cars are still the dominant means of transportation in the bigger cities but i think thats changing and in many metropolitan areas you do see a push for Public Transportation and higher tariffs parking terrace for the car where do you how far do you think the quest for share the Public Transportation can go and do you think people will ever in bigger cities will they ever give up car ownership on the one that. Beer good for you so i think what you describe is very true in cities when you talk about like very short distances weave in cities and clearly i think eventually youll see less and less cars in paris you know scale in the center of the city is just a matter of time now if you could any. Interest all over europe of private cars on journeys between. 600 kilometers corys stable going up so she the car over the last 20 years as not been replaced by trains or buses because the reason a few people do score between cities is because the car is the only like universal connector that gets you exactly from where you want to go to do exactly where youre going to where you want to go and thats where you always find that in most countries in europe in the rush i think its about between 60 and 80 percent of journeys between 10600 kilometers are done by car today same thing 10 years or something 20 years ago now the 1st victims of blah blah are expansion they usually bus lanes especially the loss making once and i mentioned before that last year you made an interesting it position of company is that something that you plan to do in other countries and what is their rationale of that those whose very the the acquisition in force is very very specific to the french and German Market to the french and German Market. Until essentially 5 years ago when the market liberalized. If you think of it we created a car in france and germany before any Bus Companies existed both came along both took some market share really shows that your core point is not killing buses because thats contradictory example where buses came into force under and grew market weve buses weve car and weve trained. You know other markets like brazil or many other markets where we operate there were buses before we arrived. The reality is we take their market. Because people tend to use Something Else but the. Proximity because they find. The right side of town know that does the right detour in the country. And we turn to actually work we have Bus Companies and aggregate Bus Companies. In russia is a good example i think we had. A difficult start with companies because. There are a lot of complaints from companies about your surface online i mean they that they dont appreciate your business you are changing there are. 2 years ago yes even we had 2 suits but we were. On for a competition of core putting and we would. Do the dialogue as both companies and i think most of them actually understand that we serve a slightly different need that we also becoming like a very strong online Distribution Platform and today we have over 400. That we contracted essentially distributing. So they realize that we bring additional do additional passengers i heard you say on many occasions that one of the Biggest Challenges for you in growing the markets is establishing the trust between the driver and the passenger that they can actually share that journey together that its safe from many social studies we know that russia and ukraine the way your growth has been the nominal the level of social trust isnt one of the lowest in europe how do you explain the success of here. Its really interesting like we. Rush. Brazil to some extent. Faster with. Lower cost of marketing. Mix of 2 things it was a mix of probably the transport and that road. Because it was a big countries the transport network was not as functional dysfunctional. Germany were you have like a very decent train system historically. Gaps where you have lots of connections that where you know its very functional and then from a trust point of view what weve seen in both countries is actually the barrier was you know sons at the rate things we built in the community where you put your food to and then youre right the driver and driver is going to right back the passenger was creating a lot of trust in europe we see that you need to create a bit more formal trust like i did and very few occasions an online payment that were less required in markets like russia and ukraine and brazil you know many people are asking whether the. Measures the security measures that in these markets were enough because last year here in russia we had a. Mentally disturbed serial killer using your service to create fake accounts and to kill a young woman and a mother of 2 children i know that you said that you were going to introduce passport checks in response to that incident but you gave yourself 2 years arent 2 years i know fully a long time in this kind of business. It was horrible and we dont build the business of it. Shes. For us and safety was like the starting point. If you think of how people did he try king back in the days there was no trust whatsoever so we could meet you where you need to sign up you need to create an account we count your mobile phone number eventually all the time and we progress into work we do id checks which. In response to an event actually because we started over countries long before and its just a matter of putting that in place i didnt check so hard to do by the way and. You have them for example in india if im not mistaken and you had them from the very beginning why it was that number concern in this. Was a challenge because i dont think we can shake and control you need like a. Government database that its not a level Playing Field some countries and you can do that very easy to some countries its very complex. Unfortunately in countries like russia its been ruled out and implemented a year ago we launched. Cruise to have 3000000 people so 400000 users and were going to continue doing that the next step is also online payment online payment is going to help to work trust and reliability by the way because you have a financial commitment you will get to the core as a passenger but enables better tracking so today i think we have you dont users. Moderation of the community. In the case you mention they should the person who is found because we can track back so there was no fake account. He created his accounts with the. Phone number we were registered in a different name so in a way it was if they build something yes and you know its something we can we be able to track and thats why you would sound overwise you would not be found but but perfect at the end of the day youve been improving and improving trust and safety and to some extent people thats because like you when hes good enough never have you. Back after that incident because it was widely publicized on russian social media and i know from personal stories that many of my friends are now much more has it and about your service as opposed to lets say for taxi service. All these services where you think. You interesting. Before we launched in india for example. Air b. And. Some cases and so on i think at some point a point you can perfect information where you live or think so what weve been. Doing is how do we keep on improving and adding layers and layers without like forcing people to go through everything because of the whys so its going to be a problem if you ask people to give board an idea and so on the never works we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic to follow only im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Some time shows were like a honeypot. Everyone believe that it was all on stable and on the reliability of russia but they thought that everyone was great over their russian businessmen wanted to do business in the west because they feared some could take everything away from them in russia which now is the opposite they have businesses outside of russia was snatched less has frozen the old log now the student whine about. Welcome back to worlds apart. See your. Cart before the break we were talking about. Growth in this country 70 percent per year if im not mistaken and thats naturally the tracks a lot of attention. A few years ago the russian authorities already and they were going to tax the Ride Sharing Services and it was as far as i know after the intervention of the french finance and the economy minister that this initiative put on hold you seem to have a pretty strong lobby a for a private french company. The thing is right sharing is often confused core pooling needs. You have right sharing as a right sharing which is what. Those companies are doing and you have core putting which is private sharing the core and sharing a cost between cities. In most countries. Some level of regulation and then we worked on improving the regulation to define what hes putting it and most importantly would you call sharing so what is the definition of like you sharing the cost of the journey you would do anyway so in europe i would say were pretty far in the process you know russia its a process we started like a year and a house and 2 years ago now i would sort of in a regulation. Taxing the mini you would essentially sharing the cost of driving your vehicle is nonsensical because there is no profit being made so its always been. Understood the whenever we talk to regulators in russia. I really want a regular. Defined i really want to go back to that issue but before we do that. I have a sense that you do have a certain protection of. The state authorities but the. At least. Some kind of environment distinguishes you from other companies and my suspicion is that because you are a major french star can i ask you straight do you think you have any backing any from the french authorities when it comes to the russian regulation because there are many attempts to undermine your business here through courts through complaints through appeals to the Prosecutorial Office but youve always been spared as you said you are now part of a major government efforts you drive the legislation and that hasnt happened in russia way too often when business is directly involved in drafting Something Like that we know its driving it obviously. Doing it in several countries to you its pretty logical that you get involved i mean for the regulation to to make sense. The relationship with the french government we have known actually i mean you we have the same relationship we have in every country right now is drafting like when you. Do you we have to spend a lot of times explaining what we do and what we dont do should be regulated it is normal business everywhere but youre not feeling any support any particular. Was. There and its true in most countries and i think one of them is the extra of what we do you know you talk about 20000000 people using the service. Its extremely hard people save money. On the on garment dispositive externalities on the social benefits because you people meet and so on so. Please feel lucky that we do something that makes sense for society make sense of the environment were people in cities and save money and yes it helps you because its common sense whenever regulations being built i think you. We have. Every country that sensible and realize that it would make no sense to prevent people from doing Something Like that the question is more like how do you define the boundaries of was call sharing whats not cost sharing which is what we would be building right now you long argued that this is not a tax a Surface Service therefore participants particularly the driver should not pay taxes given that the euro branching into. In france and potentially elsewhere is thats still a valid argument because for many of your interviews i get a sense that you actually want to be a platform a marketplace for both paid and paid services how do you make sure the well being seamless for your consumers you are not also being used as a means of tax evasion. Sure when we do buses its a very different matter so when we do buses in false its a professional service. Transport and in that sense its taxed as in the transport company when we do core putting putting you have a driver sharing a cost which means the number of passengers you can carry is limited the maximum amount you can from passenger is limited and then you even core putting on the supply side whos providing the right we have to complete different business is today to the point where even in france its 2 separate Companies One is. Just something in russia we got to work with like professional suppliers providing a bus service on the other side of the car putting service which is do you. See the difference between the 2 because always there are people in the Texas Service and in russia is a pretty American Service there are always people who are trying to gain and to get an unfair advantage do you always see. Extremely clear and then its down to define into proper regulation again. Markets where its well defined and shes very simple just like the price because. As a driver which is defined. As an example. If you make more than 45. 00 pounds per mile cost you making money you need to be a taxi driver as a transporter you make less than 45. 00 pounds per mile then you sharing the cost of motoring says blue so we apply that in every market. Is very clear let me give you one interesting example from the south of russia recently when there blah blah car customer arrange a right within the cities and when he showed up at the Meeting Point he was shown into a diesel locomotive the Service Provider charged him a certain amount delivered this service but i think thats a beautiful example of what you would call into modality but. Its questionable both from taxation and Security Point of view. When you work with the governments how do you think they should crow is the question of whether their societies are ready for the kind of shared billeted you want to provide. The example you give i mean i would say we also have like your example of people who manage somehow to bypass the platform and so what we do is we should we were building a. Road after that the concept of actually sharing platform where drivers share the ride. We can all that is the concept of the consumer marketplace we can all go and shake every car we built a good meteorite things and we built them to see you. So in that case the president is going to say its not a car. Youre one that bring in the additional modes of transportation you do not limit yourself to a car we do but knowingly which is very different from. What you describe is more like an outlier type story out of. Your foray into russia began in the acquisition of a Ukrainian Company arrived in the midst of 2014 of each happened to be a very difficult and traumatic year for both russia and ukraine if you had to do that all over busy again what do you have taken the risk. Yes because we. Force was not like a Ukrainian Company or Russian Company time it was that was not the. Form but something 3000 people in russia and ukraine were actually doing or putting. Small. Countries so it was important for us was the point that it can work in. Russia we can work in ukraine. Take a time machine and we were just in europe and that was the 1st time. This company taking off was the proof that it was universal and pretty much everywhere we want we found some cultural changes its pretty universal there are cars everywhere. Everywhere and if you built a good product a Good Quality Service you can you and our people to share the car at the tear you made that the ukraine and acquisition. That the Ukrainian Company as far as i know was involved in some trans border rides do you still do that. Between russia and ukraine. Im not sure we. Actually cross borders. But back then it was no dream cross border in the beginning to the very tiny it was. Like 30000. Have really fortified i mean people go back and forth there all the time and theres actually a huge demand because according to official ukrainian figures around 3000000 ukrainians. Are doing their regular bases between the 2 countries and the traditional modes of transportation are hinder it because of the political situation do you think you should there actually is there Business Opportunity there for you or you would be more sort of politically sensible in this. Country except maybe countries like belgium cross borders very. Mystic. Border speaking about politics there was another interesting case. Involving blah blah car this time in the ukraine a while the driver and passenger. Heated argument about politics and the driver of a certain point decided that. Being. A passenger by the side of the road i wonder if there is any. What kind of blah blah you are supposed to have in the cars sport of. The. 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