Transcripts For RT Going Underground 20240714

The persecution of wiki leaks in asuncion is to funny america she joins me now sunny thank you so much for coming on i know theres a case ongoing im going to get to that in a 2nd Julian Assange has birthday today you probably want to which are mab your birthday. We just go back a bit and talk about your freedom of information request and how different the answers you got were from swedish and from british authorities the 1st letter. From paul close to the swedish prosecutor yes basically my idea was back in 2015 when julian had already spent 5 the abscond finally initially on the house arrest and then in the order and i am bussy i realize that no did least no media had ever tried to access the document to do to get the facts so my idea was if i can get the documents from sweden sweden has a very good very good laws when it comes to freedom of information act maybe i can use anything i get from sweden as be cook to get documents from the u. K. From the u. S. From australia ecuador whatever and it work i filed my 4 year end in sweden back in 2015 and we havent read all the actors yes the other talking about the rape allegations i suppose thats crucially made because it provides evidence on how the Crown Prosecution Service which is the very same page and see which is now in charge of considering the u. S. Extradition for requests of Julian Assange the Crown Prosecution Service basically advice this we dish prosecutors against the holy strategy which could have led to a quick solution of the swedish case which is questioning Julian Assange she london rather than extradited him to sweden this was the bombshell exposure of your freedom of information requests that under. Certain as family. Jeremy covens breaks its celebrated secretary the c. P. S. Seem to be telling sweden or begging. Sweden to hold up. To keep on with allegations of rape now we go to the document and actually they did then put pressure on allegation they advice against questioning him he no longer which was crucial in creating the legal and then the free market. Which kept Julian Assange but then the same document released by the british authorities is redacted completely and this kind of leads us on to what may happen on friday you are at the Upper Tribunal Court in london the sons of course in jail Chelsea Manning in jail tell me about the case thats going on this week yes basically after. I filed my file in sweden basically Competition Service sort of fewest me any document and i filed a case law on the 1st year tribunal and they started releasing some documents after i filed this case and but the documents are varied redacted the most of them are completely use when you see the 1st here its also Jeff Franz Kafka is worth where the 1st mention the 1st tier tribe you know thats before this weeks trial yes so there are all these various courts in london that exact filed on freedom of information so i went to the 1st see it to be you know and they basically hold it against me and so i was for i was basically put into the condition to appeal to the upper tribune all and this is why these yes this week i was at the hopper tribunal with my lawyer defending the right of the press to access the document now if anyone thinks this is just of interest to those bereaved from allegedly u. S. War crimes in afghanistan or iraq what the case this week what is important about the case this week is important to all journalists everywhere you are trying to change the way freedom of information works by saying. Factual circumstances changing can change the authorities view of whether they can release documents to a journalist absolutely i mean 1st of all what can we expect from these we. I have asked for the full correspondence between the Crown Prosecution Service and the u. S. Authorities which means the u. S. Department of justice and the u. S. State department when asked for this document to sweden they needed to say we dont have such correspondence because we didnt get any correspondence with them when i have the same correspondence to the u. K. They didnt want to confirm or deny so if they had been such correspondence with the us why not to tell me media that we dont have such correspond is because of the Crown Prosecution Service gave you an n c n d a neither confirm nor deny response about correspondence between weve been britain and the United States Justice System about Julian Assange exactly and also about what they were which was really ridiculous because they said we cannot confirm or deny the bow ecuador because any such correspondence would be is about and extend the china we said it doesnt make sense and extradition to act whether because hes in the Ecuadorian Embassy i think they use ecuador they use they have to do the neither confirm nor deny the exception because he would have sound suspicion to say we cannot confirm nor deny the about the u. S. So they put the airport there but they came out of ridiculous because in inkster the show request by ecuador when Julian Assange which was in the choir the embassy is completely nonsense it must be about the u. S. Extradition speck ok well they said that the lawyers for the authorities are saying ok they they they told us that for julie the son of course theres a strong personal interest in the information youre seeking be made public. But that doesnt necessarily mean the important as regards Public Interest or did you make. A nonsense because it is absolutely makes sense to know whether the us has 4 or was considering extradition and putting down assange from the very beginnings as soon as he started publishing the Us Government documents crucially to understand whether the swedish case was used in an instrumental way to get Julian Assange extradited initially to sweden then to the us and these crucial to know whether the us considered to put him in jail from the very beginning there is no way to know unless we got the the he made so unless we got the documents there is no way to know and this means that any journalist watching this program right now must realize that if you fail on friday decision the way they did journalism is it is deliberately separated by authorities here in britain with the Public Interest even if that journalist working on something feels it is over the public absolutely absolutely and there is a you know that what what is crucial to understanding this case is that this case is not just about Julian Assange it is about any journalist everywhere trying to expose war crimes secret documents provide evidence of torture sent so on so if julian if they can assert jurisdiction on an astray and publisher who reviewed this document they can assess jurisdiction on an Italian Journalist exposing draw our own Nuclear Weapons he never gave the the us basis for Nuclear Weapons us Nuclear Weapons immediately or they can assert the jurisdiction on journalists working in the french journalists working on exposing us documents provide evidence of crimes in france in in everywhere i mean germany so these case is about the right of the press to publish documents which are. We tried their best thinking for the government because they dont want to be exposed of course as they have exposed by these documents and it is about the ebbing the. Life destroyed because if we look at jr in a savage he ad this had basically destroyed we were trying to do we were trying to let the public and many are out colleagues with your campaigning we are not campaigning we have tell you that they are destroying they are destroying his meant that has had and the prices so high that a good knowledge should not pay such a price for exposing war crimes and torture and the same applies to the to the journalistic souces like Chelsea Manning she paid a huge price and the journalistic source who exposed such valuable and Important Information in the Public Interest should not buy based such a price 70 words thank you thanks so much after the break in was a neo liberalism the un claims a new all time high of 17000000 refugees we asked the director of a new film about the hardships of those crossing the mediterranean for a better life if globalization has fostered a kind of international apartheid bustle the headlines children die as israel targets syria and greenpeace has that sinking feeling in the east pacific all this more coming up about to going underground. Exists is a sticker from the water bottle found in the stomach of the fish the brand is part of the Cocacola Company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that lets tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter box are throwing us away industry should be able. And for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic. Seats to cook out some 6. That seems. Just fun to me. On that im your best bet is the end of. The mountains of waste only grow. What politicians do. They put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Some want. To go right to the press this is what the Korean People are. Interested in the water. They should. Welcome back joining me now to go through some of the weeks top stories just a liberal democrat m. P. In charge of secretary of state. Long time no see yes obviously see this. Lets go straight to todays greenpeace report before we go to any stories what do you make of this in deep water the emerging threat of deep sea mining well what theyre talking about here is another preservation story as you know the president another preservation 7 tenths of the covered in water now greenpeace is touting its attention to the idea that some very Large Companies might be destroying microbes was doing good i mean there was a piece while back talking about the fact that an eminent doctor was saying that cures for cancer superbug cures theyre all down in the deep and they might be being destroyed by all these money professor upton said he found a microbe in his tree which i think they hold up. From iraq all 700 meters below sea level is that this could solve the resistance problem and this is not being extrapolated by greenpeace to say well weve got to be really careful where we dig trenches and where we we turn up the seabed this is completely our message for a green peace but weve got to be a bit careful here because most of the earths sea but theres never been explored what Better Company for the largest Exploratory Mission then britains prince corporate proportion to be run by a company will u. K. Seabed resources the bits of which is more British Government owned a tool by Lockheed Martin walker you wrote on it theyre not so worried about the microbes but they are very keen on the precious resources of having been exploited down that white because really hard to mine deep down in the ocean look at some of the accidents that the oil industry has had so its not easy even this wholly owned lockheed subsidiary u. K. Seabed resources admitted that they found extinctions in the areas of exploration for the exploitation of resources whether the sea when you plow a field it kills lots of worms and lots of local habitat the same is going to happen if youre under sea im not rubbishing this i just think we have to have a sense of proportion here and that is going to this story from news weve got to stress testing conference in washington the Federal Reserve weve got one fan of the banks probably of the Defense Industry take us through the wonderful headline here Boris Johnson says nobody stuck up for the bankers as much as i did when i asked about half black blank a business john. That is because he said something. That are in fact granted to be british Prime Minister one of them yet what he said was when somebody said well a lot about big business in terms of your bricks at plans boris he said that phrase business and he. Now saying is taken out of context what he meant was big business should not stand in the way of his democratic right to the outcome of the referendum from a couple of years ago is the public at large going to support a Prime Minister and in a general election if indeed he is crowned Prime Minister if he says nobody stuck up for the bank as much as i did theres an election in greece in a few days time i think a signal for bankers is not really popular on the right on the left in the sense or anywhere that youre always looking for negatives for a certain amount of the people is very popular hes just trying to be popular with big business lets remember where the conservatives get a lot of their money it is from big business and in that sense hes playing to his audience he doesnt have to convince you to vote for him because youre not i dont think a member of the conservative party i think the donations are purely coincidental thats going to big iran threatening to withdraw completely from the j. C. B. Away with the other members of the p 5 plus one let alone told trump on sunday so they say take us through this angle here story this storys about the law of unintended consequences the headline europe leaders defy trump on iran with bold move now you will know that unilaterally wonderful president of the United States donald trump decided to pull out of painstakingly agreed nuclear deal which iran seemed to be tearing to which pretty much guaranteed that iran wouldnt be building those norty atom bombs but that was good enough for atomic bomb he decided to walk out of it causing Huge International stress whats happened here is europes kept the promise europe said it would not be bullied by the United States into cutting ties with iran now at last after a huge delay they find a complicated way of doing it they can sell some stuff to iran iran can pay for it this for the evading of sanctions because if you any other country trades with iran well attack the other countries with sanctions again but fair play to European Union they said they wouldnt be. By america if they see this through its the 1st signs of hope that it might deescalate the situation which Donald Trumps responsible for meanwhile still in the middle east israel has been bombing iran very little coverage in western nato nation Mainstream Media went away to take us through her at story that says Israel Strikes Iranian targets in syria a report says 16 killed 21 wouldnt it the headline doesnt say that children were killed as well this is israel conducting not a secret war by its own private campaign theyre hitting targets which it reckons are supplied with iranian weapons but the Collateral Damage to civilians the reason this is they had damaging military equipment used by the Syrian Government to attack Al Qaeda Linked in isis linked groups in that region so israel is defacto backing isis and al qaeda well its the unintended consequence again the issue here is the reason you know coverage of it is because as youve pointed out its really complicated its not even obvious why israel thinks its in its own interests to do this and why do you think there are so many refugees leaving the region maybe because all the because of things like this maybe its because its not a very safe place to live and who where does this all go back to the arab spring thats remember this all started when the west thought it could get nice friendly governments all across the middle east but went wrong and this is the Collateral Damage which affects us all a bit over thank you well the fighting in syria has just placed almost 7000000 people according to the u. N. Or is it 10 to the 70000000 refugees worldwide an all time high figure so is it any wonder that the elites who arguably created this crisis have a vested interest in dehumanizing those who leave their home countries to seek a better life we caught up with felipe folklore the Award Winning director of a mean a new film that follows a senegalese immigrant working in france and puts a human face on those that global elites degrade humiliate and victimize philip tell me about the new film. In the mean is the story of a man who moved from senegal to france to work leaving behind his wife and children in senegal and only seeing them once a year so he doesnt see these children growing up hes disconnected from his wife and in fronts life isnt very fun its only dedicated to work to his needs and the obligation to earn money to send it back in the evenings he meets up with men who live alone like him or until one day in france he meets a woman he knows that in france relations between men and women are not the same you need to be very cautious but through his need for human contact he lets himself fall into this relationship with this affair which allows him to have some balance with his work in france the doubts start forming in senegal his wife starts asking questions because the money he sends means that a large number of the family can survive those who help pay for his trip theres a sort of unspoken element both out of prudishness and economic need and the sort of pressure on her from the family to not ask too many questions and accept the situation. And when you walk around the nato nation capital and see Building Contractors with immigrant labor do you think this film will humor is those people in those buildings. That are additional thats what certain observers of the film have told me thats really the people who build these buildings all roads in france and europe who do this very physical work that the people they meet often ask themselves these questions about their lives and why theyre there and indeed some observers have told me that the film will undoubtedly change how these people are viewed do you think there are some forces in society that want to deal with those of them well this film has to hear with islam. Zonk human deja vu these are people who have quite an inhumane life who are no longer capable of living a balanced life in france indeed we often reproach these people for being there but theyre there because they greeted these working Living Conditions that are no longer accepted in europe. But ironic that the only sense of community in the film is the immigrants doing the manual labor the the bush was e have nothing but clearly a nation in the world really. Says yes these people who have very difficult lives in france who are only working to send money home due to their isolation they are forced to meet together creates connections and support each other its something that is a little absence that has become a little bit absent in whats gabrielle has with her husband and thats her life is a little fractured. Aside from the senegalese immigrant there is french algeria thats it were with the french daughter watching this film it looks like nothing has changed since the 1950 s. Who do you think we suppressed that is that yes this character abdul are aziz who came from morocco is the previous generation and its the generation before i mean and in fact is the generation thats often come from north africa now immigration is from this part of africa mali senegal emerged tamia and apple as easy as someone who has had a life similar to mean in another period and he also came and left his wife in his country and in the film we understand that he separated from his wife had children in finance and is now returning to morocco to see his children that he had there and then return to france to his french shoulder and. Its a similar situation to i mean i mean caesars children who tell him that he is like a pretend father and his wife tells him that he is like a fake husband and so its a life that is a little struggle between the 2 countries so do you think that globalization has become a sort of into the national apartheid. We sit in on yes sure we live in a world in which the difference is that existed previously between cities and rule areas in france or italy for example have now shifted to a country to country differences so today in western societies we use a workforce that comes from really far away from africa or from Eastern Europe and the people who have come from far away live a life removed from the society i think to which they contribute through their work. There is something that is amplified that existed previously between cities in the countryside more and thats now exists on a global level. But do you think there are some issues that unite all those immigrant communities in a sense i know you worked on palestine before whether it be palestine and iraq there are big issues that you know that these ignorance they do not unite the. Alienated gabrielle in the field. Allow her last because these are complex issues like that where these people begin their lives very far from their home there are people whose motive for leaving is war or difficult Living Conditions and others who move to seek work elsewhere so all of that is a little complicated but perhaps what unites all of these people is an ability to live and survive and create connections with people who are in the same conditions of survival which sometimes dont exist elsewhere i should i should actually just also. I mean advises people in senegal to be. Wary of thinking of traveling to a nato country using rafts. You didnt think the need of showing that thousands of course have drowned on the news shores. Its something he says you know that the boy has an illusion as to what he expects to find in europe he knows that there are in europe he will have an extremely difficult life and before arriving to europe he will take a journey that is dangerous and that he is leaving his former life behind but also he knows of the reasons for which the boy is leaving that he has no future where he is and that he needs to go somewhere else to find the means to support his family so thats why he tells him that i cant tell you to go or not to go you know what needs to be done he both wants to not encourage him to go but also he knows he cant tell him not to go thanks for the vocal thank you thank you very much for speaking to us there in Central London and tickets to see i mean are Available Online now thats it for the show will be back on saturday with Human Rights Watch sure we black you see why for former british Prime Minister tony blair to investigate the middle east human rights case that is called the attention of the russian and u. 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