Lee when a good guess really the biggest problem in dealing with brags that at least when it comes to parliament is that both parties were divided on the issue within each party here can Boris Johnson unite the tories because if he can do that he might be able to poach from people across the aisle as it were here it really gets down to how he manages the party in my not correct go ahead lee well it does if youre playing fantasy politics if youre playing real politics then you know that the irish backstop the European Union is implacable position. And you know the record of mendacity and tomfoolery of Boris Johnson then you really wouldnt put your house on the boris being able to unify either his party or the country there are lots of people in the tory party with deep emotional scars from previous encounters with Boris Johnson some of whom are sitting around the cabinet table is a cabinet full of deeply ambitious and venal politicians boris being the lead cheerleader amongst them but the extent to which he could maintain unity within that cabinet under the sweltering pressure that hes going to come under in brussels and the European Union i think will not unite the tory party but will break it into mark the same question here i mean we have a new personality ok in 10 downing street but i dont see the strategy moving forward ok to resume he says to resumes which are all deal is dead ok so what is his deal they can appeal to not only his own party but to the public at large i mean i studied this very carefully im actually getting very bored with it because i dont see the needle being moved here what can he do that no one else has done mark. Ah well he can certainly do something. Nobody elses turn and that is he can prove either to be false or true the position that hes put forward to his party in the British Public and that position is that the reason may only fail because she didnt really believe in black sets and so far i think people on both sides of the aisle on this question probably have reason to be satisfied about what how things are going because hes assembled a team virtually every single one of whom wholeheartedly seem to believe or say they believe in brets it so lets see what happens bring it on and i think that obviously the downside of this is that if there is. No deal broke set in parliament is sidelined that we have all sorts of terrible constitutional issues that might happen i think in the end that mr johnson is not the kind of person who will be able to do that kind of thing i think that hes going to go to brussels his real tactic here his strategy is to hope that people in the e. U. Think heres a man who really knows what hes talking about rather who believes in what hes talking about so for once were going to have to really negotiate seriously this is where everything comes to the crunch whereas mrs may we manage to follow her off hes hoping that theyll be movement within the. Process and that he wont therefore have to go through with the no no deal threat so in terms of the unity however i think that the danger for people moderate people in the conservative party is that theyre going to be accused of being defeatists and not patriotic thats mr johnsons card hes talking up all this optimism isnt stuff daring his critics to say to produce reasons for not being quite so mindlessly optimistic and he will then turn around and say to the British Public these are people who dont believe in your country and that is a car that will work very well in england it will work very poorly in scotland and Northern Ireland. No its. Seems quite a lot of them like to distill to the oceans of reality ok well you know you can you can have you know you could have enthusiasm he certainly has that he said we need optimism he certainly has that but james how does that make braggs it happened i mean the European Union all through this process and i think to resume was the worst person to negotiate because she was a remainder and that why did you said to remain to do braggs that i mean that was ridiculous ok and we got it and she deserved her fate ok but the European Union is going to make this is painful as possible for you guys and i dont see why they get to change their tune i mean they can they broke her and they want to break him if necessary go ahead james. Well everyone talks about their eyes met his red lines but i dont think she had any red lines that she went to brussels and the european commission. Yes of course the e. U. Wants to make this painful either create a situation where it doesnt or you get name only which is what it is. Or where. The the drop becomes a fault of britain in terms of. The imposition of trade barriers between tariffs. Ok why do they want to do that while the e. U. Was already in a trice its. Before we proceed to leave. It was in a crisis because North Western countries the wealthy most north west and. Some in europe and Eastern Europe on the republican model and colonies and theres a lot of and there are a lot of political reasons or cultural. Barriers. And so it was already in a crisis and it gets out. And crossed and the might there may be other countries who might want to remind them and that is the reason why one of the reasons why the e. U. Wants to make this as painful as possible we i mean they always go back to the default position of w t o rules ok i mean if Boris Johnson wants to succeed and i have to believe he wants to. Do much better than to resume when you were assigned an entire group of people to work with that goal of w t o rules because theyre good theres not going to be another deal the deal is that the European Union is going to accept is already on the table and the parliament has dismissed it 3 times Boris Johnson isnt going to go down that path i mean what new dispy saying we have a Kitchen Cabinet its a deputy all rules work on it youve got 99 days go headly. I dont think so i think were w t o rules. Are no deal hard brick say and they would be only to the only country in the world operating on the meet those rules and they are sob each in their implications for the country so he asked a realistic option a toll and i also think that the extent to which you know the kind of xenophobia sentiment we see abroad for Little England plucky standing against the assembled holds of the European Union with their. You know paneuropean genda is a is a a a scenario that has been developed and pursued in and propagandized in the British Press the decades and funny enough it will be the kind of irrationality that flows from such sentiment that will see this country commit economic suicide by electing a Prime Minister whos not only incompetent as hes recorded in the london shows us. But has an opportunity of such grand proportions that even his brother joe johnson who resigned over the brecht seat was pretty convinced by Boris Johnson to come back in government and its probably signed up to probe resi agenda so here we have the chance of boys who can spin around on any given issue 360 degrees in a heartbeat and both obviously like sacrifice the Economic Prosperity of the nation but they said let me just add this conclusion the tories are not even following the global big business agenda because if the tories were following that agenda here have some rationale in terms of their ideological position and their long Time Association as being the big hitters for big business now even though Boris Johnson is waving Corporate Tax cuts in front of them this is. In a paling to significance with the demand from business that we have better arrangements than the no deal there isnt Serious Business leader with dead money who is. Agreeing with the position of a no deal so its time to today their constituency base its its its fed on the russian only and on here. Its fed by or irrational xenophobia there is no logical conclusion other than to this particular case i mean really me gently election of course we have to go to a hard break gentlemen and after that hard break well continue our discussion on bojo regs and stay with. Me you know. Im one of them but i think its ended up by a cool little one that one is were buddies. Should have been there so. I dont want that oh i think thats i mean yes i moved into that Community Yeah im kind of whom keep taking that he had a ticking time bomb i. Need to move out of the last you know enough to vote for out of. Same wrong rules just dont call. Me old yet to shape our. Comes to educate and in gauge equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Thats my life that i started on wall street 40 years ago and ive been living in the log cheeriest life of ever cheaper money ever since and literally not having to work a day in my life because a lot of 40 years ago ive gone straight up. Welcome back across the uk where all things are considered Peter Lavelle reminder were discussing bojo and breaks it. Ok lets go back to mark here i still havent gotten an answer to my question how is Boris Johnson going to achieve this if hes going to achieve it now i mentioned with lee. Rules ok thats one way hard brags that ok but which all agreement is off the table because it was 0 down 3 times and humiliated a Prime Minister ok so can you tell me what the 3rd very into is here does he know and if he does know who he cant support a friend of ok well i would get. Lask you got it you got ahead of me on that one when you got to mark sank out limited you got me on that one ok go ahead mark. Well there is word that theres a certain amount of discussion going on about changing the Withdrawal Agreement that relates to the backstop which were to really put a border between northern and Northern Ireland of the republic of ireland of actually having the kind of border between the e. U. And the bulk of britain having it more down the irish sea in other words changing the buck stop problem to a kind of an island problem theres always got the johnson is very keen on to the logical changes. In our 50 years on putting a man in the moon but we cant sort out these are the arrangements regarding the movement of goods surely human ingenuity in this new optimistic here of jobs in ism we should be able to tell in distribution to that really i think the only thing but the only thing on offer is sheer force of personality plus a certain amount of blackmail i wonder if mr johnson is going to even though the you are quite happy that the divorce settlement 39000000000 i believe that thats going to be paid over years rather than all at once perhaps some threat to look at that again and whittle down that figure hes hoping that through really psychological articles on astrology you know that our god i need you to change the deal it sounds like black magic that black magic youre just actually i dont get the token solitaires ok let me go back to the game here i like it now were going to get to the point of this whole being here and to see ok well fine ok but fantasy doesnt it be fantasy doesnt usually have much to do with policy or good policy that is here james james. A general election and thats when it gets in the offering here general election lets say lets say theres a general election before october 31st well it doesnt have to be its not real precedent for that. Parliament probably cant stop there being. Stop us leaving on october 31st we were about what were all agreement we got equal and no deal or you know anymore anyway because if you sort it out a lot of. Bilateral trade deals with a number of countries like norway and south korea and the last couple years has not its not losing interest that were no way near salting out trade deals with any companies weve got preliminary agreements top further discussions theres still some promising time to go since another point is that there are a number of labor m. P. s your heart. Is maybe 10 or 20 who vote against their own whip and boss of the government will certainly want. To on an emotion that will actually wreck debbie preselected in the run up to a general election. Then you can still say the medias selected as we speak. And that. Is. The labor market although youre going down there youre going down a path that i think its really important here let me go back to mark in lancaster how have both parties made major parties fared through all of this here because Boris Johnson has the opportunity to bring some unity to the tories but what about labor because labor has been very well its been waffling a lot on this here and i and i suppose if i was Jeremy Corbin i would do the same thing watch your opponents destroy themselves and thats one political tactic here but how both parties have been very damaged i think you could say through this entire process go ahead mark. Yes or will there be an awful lot of mainstream labor politicians who are just tearing their hair out at the moment this is a god sent opportunity for any credible party of opposition and labor is in its own internal chaos and if it wasnt for the you could say the internal chaos is about very different issue of allegations of antisemitism but its in chaos over breakfast as well and mr coleman has been dragged kicking and screaming to a position which sounds a bit more like remain but he doesnt sound at all sincere on this and thats because he is a british so you have a party that should be ready to cash in having been converted to pro european ways in the 1980 s. That far back its now divided again just at the moment when it needs to be united and the beneficiary of this is the liberal democrats the one thing i would say thats really dangerous for the cities in the johnson camp is that where ours the party and the conservative party theres absolutely no love lost the tall and the vote is likely to be split if they do face off in a general election i have a very strong hunch that they remain camp is going to be a lot more efficient in a general election thats ensuring that the city with the best chance of winning will succeed in various can. 2 and says so general election is something that the conservatives may have a very mixed feelings about labor im afraid they should be just looking at it is an open goal but the chances are in the midst of covens leadership whatever his virtues they would blaze the ball over the goal and the british politics would just be completely chaotic and unstable into the foreseeable future ok we have both parties failed the electorate because they voted to leave ok and parliament and both parties have failed to execute on the peoples will here and so this is really the crux of it for me too i mean im kind of agnostic about it but i believe in democracy ok it was a vote and opening clear and then it was decisive ok for a Large Campaign like that so i think its really incumbent upon them because if they cant get a deal through then theyve failed the people and that is a very good that will damage the the believe people have in the political system in its pretty damaged right now all through the western world what can bore us johnson do to turn that around beyond being optimistic which i guess we all want to be optimistic but i dont see how that moves the needle at all go ahead leigh. Well the only realistic optimism is an incredibly dangerous character is speak to have when youre playing high stake politics is soon you have a greater control over external inventors then you then you do not you have talents which you do not have. And they can be absolutely catastrophic i think it poses an existential challenge to both parties that is absolutely clear and i think neither. Labor all tory have really taken the opportunity to bottom out their strategic position that would benefit them but also align fully with the interests of the country labors prevaricated too much it is armed and its not been clear in its messaging and i couldnt stand the frustration in the party i think when we come to a general election the question is going to be binary what is going to be pro bricks or bricks and i mean thats a good position for labor to be in even if they lose the election because even if they lose a general election if we come out of European Union without a deal so it will be the recession and the Economic Impact that the tide of popular opinion will turn when people feel in their pockets we could be in for another general election much sooner than people think so either you seem porton for labor to stick to a principled position and the fact is you cant extricate yourself from a 60 year relationship with a European Union that has got by his untiring levels of bureaucracy legislation and policy and simply get a working power to get it together and fix up and resolve it overnight it takes decades to unravel that European Union relationship. I dont see anybody being able to do that any time soon ok james you have talked about labor and weve talked about the tories how does the brigs in party play into this because they really kind of. A dramatic arrival on the scene here what were all. Can they play in all of this here and can the tories and the and the break to party Work Together i mean i would be a very interesting combination well nigel farage is. Going to. Im not sure its my. And this is why i let someone who at least sounds like hes. Right now its henris and the brits made in the election were a lie and it would be a joke if you have a local organization. And you. Know. I dont like. About the environment. Theres a great deal in what is a big debate here and i get here and. I love this is just this judge has already announced a visit by a boat a potties for oddities a wonderful young you know carry on you know as i recall that just as opposed to the postmodernism in late nights postmodernism absolutely baby. So we possibly have seen the mess they got themselves into and theyre saying it now labors policy is not they dont know what the problem is. You sure go big on this you said he said. Told me. That kaberle grazing were moved out by by farache i think farache i think i think that boris has moved to the right to compensate for farache you could if you could never move to the right hard enough for some of these people and i think the i. G. Art will do for boris as they did for man cameron ok let me go tomorrow let me go to mark shanghai and i want to go to mark mark is going to finish it out for us here how does this all and mark is are going to be. Transparent here its a trail of tears ok how does it all and i mean we have where we have 99 days and a lot of optimism how does it all end mark go ahead. Well if you look at 1st of all id say napoleon where he lives today be very flattered to be compared to nigel for that im not i think if we talk about this 99 day thing to paraphrase t. S. Eliot this is the way the british politics basically the pieces smash and reassemble not with a whimper which it was in a way and to reason maybe but with the back and say this is bringing all these underlying things to the surface you could say if you think that remain is the right option this is a chance to luntz the boil of this and this and to europe in sudden cements and so actually get britain into a more realistic course in the world equally by sheer force of will and also the very interesting populist measures mr johnson on the domestic front is suggesting sorting out care for the elderly getting rid of all sterrett see all these kind of things which have lasting money problems if this kind of thing is is going to be a no ok i have to jump in here to get weve all run out of time here hes going to have to solve all problems at the same time many thanks to my guests in london lancaster and in plymouth and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time remember. To get up. On the sounds of minutes maybe. Pushed it away from your office or. We did make. And there will have been done treece one as i didnt i never saw any contact with. Any kind of went back to where they were so the answer is back here theyre going again 15 feet apart at this point and thats when the officer is gone in the country. Thats my life i started on wall street 40 years ago and ive been living in a log cheeriest life of ever cheaper money ever since literally not having to work a day in my life because. 40 years ago ive gone straight up. Join me every 1st day on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sport this list im showbusiness ill see you then. 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