If you were going to another special edition of going underground from the german capital berlin with abraham were there his former spokesperson if you missed part one of the interview its available on our you tube channel lets just begin with reminding us your role in the crisis in libya and the importance of october as a month for you and for the nation of libya well i was the minister for information and media media and i was the spokesperson for the Libyan Government and my task was to explain and defend the libyan position at the time and to face the Main Stream International media which was without a doubt part of the machine that was aiming at the destruction of the country and october the 20 is of course is the date of the assassination of former gadhafi. October is also important month in the history of libya and its battle with absolutely new liberal interests well the western invasion of libya and 2011 is exactly 100 years of the italian invasion of libya in 1911 on the 7th of october which led to the accumulation of libya for decades then in 1970 within a few months of the september evolution which can lead khadafi chose the same date the 7th of october to kick out all italian. Military and nonmilitary presence in the country and there. For liberated from the military italian aq. Patient after almost 7 decades then within a few months he also. Kicked out the British Military presence and the American Military prison which was the 3rd biggest military presence outside the states after japan and germany all of these acts of liberation came together to kind of conclusion when kadafi decided to fight his last battle. On the city of sirte the cradle of the African Union and he fought it with bravery and with determination until his martyrdom but of course. He lost and the libyan people according to you last right now people are talking about a possible war with iran. The European Union itself refuses to recognize the democratically elected leader of venezuela i think our viewers will understand that you know there is a commonality of oil most of your resources all of these countries what mistakes were made say in terms of media and what should these countries be very aware of as they fight certainly the European Union as far as well as well as concerned let alone the superpower of the middle east iraq we were very aware of internal weaknesses and khadafi was aware of the problems we had inside libya 1st of all libya is a revenue economy relying on oil and we did not succeed and changing the economy into a productive participatory economy after decades it was an environmental revolution the only way we solo purnells well we had many developmental projects and we did build many houses the schools the Health System the libyan Human Development index conducted by the un places libya very very high at the time but our main failure is that people remained reliant on oil and the fluctuations of oil prices and when you have a revenue economy people fight over it because it feels like like the spoils and if people are productive workers and they own what they produce they will feel differently about their country and about their place in society i think the 2nd mistake is that we did not deepen our political democratic system. To be as inclusive as possible and to be localized we did this for a while successfully in the seventys eightys and good part of the ninetys but because of foreign pressure outside and because of mistakes were made we centralized the political process in the capital tripoli and we realized a little bit too much on tribal structure and instead of civil one. In coordination with the libyan culture i think the 3rd mistake was that we relied on the revolutionary context in africa that did not exist. The nature of being subordinated to not have a revolutionary conscience consciousness and. Relied on the african nations and the ordinary African People to rise up with him and to support him and defend the liberation project that he had but we were not brought back to the how did this possibly happen because i mean you can rejigger virus diaries about israel built in congo yes why did you and other members of the Libyan Government not recognize that these failures were now in demick in the system that the north of that goal was for the 1st time i mean there are many great leaders like patrick lumumba. Nasser mandela but they did not have the actual a project on the ground in libya we were fortunate enough to have a stronger revolutionary system we had the economic means and we have the position to start this genuine liberation projects like the African Central Bank and the unified currency on the african army and the organization for the African Resources and the Satellite Network unified as well and we did achieve the initial stages of these projects. And we believed that with the presence of some good African Leaders in evolutionary leaders that we would be able to work something out and we succeed we had a Great Success with the African Union which was declared in the city of ceratin 1999 in the month of september. But i think the west recognized the danger of all of this and they realized that this is not just singing and music and dreaming this is real work on the ground that would make africa independent and would deprive the capitalist global capitalist machine from the oil that keeps it going namely the african wealth to have an african continent strong productive with participatory politics and democracy and with a unified army and a state of the american. Command in africa and the french g 5 s. Force this is something that the system cannot digest the global system of capitalism this is something that needs to be stopped and we heard this from european diplomats and we heard this from people all around the continent this is known and understood by everyone in africa it might not be as understood by ordinary people in the west but it is the case libya was destroyed for its african liberation dream make no mistake about that was another mistake thinking that moscow and beijing would support. And the revolution this is another lesson the 4th lesson is that you need to fight in unity with others one of the mistakes of libya is that it was alone we did not have an alliance that would support us in any sudden confrontation. With syria for a year for example although he was aware of this he visited venezuela in 2009 and he proposed the establishment of saito as opposed to nato you know so the north atlantic its south atlantic between africa and latin america and who got the initial agreement by a few latin american countries with the revolutionary governments and also he worked very hard to convince some african nations to join this effort so he was aware of the need of a global context of unity but he did not have the time they attacked him only a year and a half after he proposed saito have some correction there so what is the Green Resistance Movement today what does it do because the news about libya centers on the british and un mandated government of National Accord and general haftar when you establish afshin and National Government in a foreign land i mean libya is a canal that zone when security comes over or said. You brought supposedly there was brought democracy. Everything that is good to the country you know in the back of iraq it was a Green Resistance Movement rejects it and it rejects general haftar is well 1st of all the real Resistance Movement is not just like political fraction of the country we represent the vast majority of the libyan people even our. Enemies inside libya the asians of nato they admit that and there isnt a publicly oh no they sung with no you only they say it publicly on libyan media they admitted to it they know that the majority of the libyan people fought on the side of khadafi. If you listen to them their leaders they say this they say ok duffy use the tribal structure of the country to have an alliance between tribes for him but this is the culture of the country and if the people are on one side the vast majority then you should be on the side of the people how did the generals how did you serve well its just sheer luck i mean we fought for me my rule of course was a political one was not a fighting one but with the collapse of tripoli i had to withdraw to the city of beni will eat and there we. Were lead and the city of sirte we led the military resistance for 3 months lets remember that libya stood very tall for 8 months facing 44. 00 countries including the mighty nato now if gadhafi was isolated and no one was with him and the libyan people wanted to rebel against him how could he have is qaddafi some sort of magician how could he sed stop nato attack and face it for 8 months if the libyan people were not on his side we where the many we were the majority and we fought and most you know many comrades and many friends died and by sheer luck we survived i left the country in the month of november 2011 a whole month after the martyrdom of the great leader khadafi and i left to reorganize ourselves and we did that and we. Great figures of the resistance we have safe khadafy who is a great guy with a great vision for the country you believe he has support in the country and hes going to commit himself to election if you listen to libyan t. V. And if you read libyan media they know even those who are against us or the agents of the west they know safe in islam is allowed to enter the political context that he will get the support of most libyan people but why should people take my word for it lets have an inclusive political system as they claimed from the beginning and lets allow all libyans to decide their future without International Intervention which we called for in 2011 we called for a National Conference led that conference be only libyan land supervised maybe by the African Union. And libyans decide what they want for the future the west doesnt want that because they know what the libyans which they know they would choose the green the resistance they would choose. A path to the future that does not suit what the west wants so they chose to manage the crisis manage the chaos keep it growing was ever able to stop you there was almost of this break. You know world of big part of the lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the past and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Welcome back im still with was abraham former spokesperson your mama gadhafi i know i dont have to tell you that the cia has a long history of assassination attempts against revolutionary leaders are you not frightened then that Moammar Gadhafi son safe such a unifying figure as you make him out to be will be the subject of an assassination attempt we are all under threat as i said we have been politically going to security would we have been many attempts to silence us to imagine their eyes us and there are fears for the life of many of our leaders we. Were needed as of resistance die every day in libya they are in the fight and their mentor. Get out of the agents of nato what we call nato is contras in libya and we know that within a particular time not far into the future we will gain libya back not in favor of a political ideology or about particular political regime but in favor of all libyans of an inclusive political and Economic System that would guarantee that libya goes back to its liberation to its projects of african liberation of being a sovereign state of being an independent state dignified state not a state in chaos managed by the west there is your understanding there were good office and safe will run in any future election and in a democratic vote he would win the vote well its very important 1st to establish what kind of political context will exist because we are very much aware of how the west manipulates the political process and how they manage to keep the crisis going while benefiting from its consequences so for us the heart of the matter is not for safe to run for presidency but for see if they agree in the resistance to represent their alternative to the crisis and to gather the libyan people around them and to defeat the foreign conspiracy against the country and to get libya back how is he how is he survived a tall is it your understanding he was attacked by british backed islamists who have been trying to kill him would you say after the nature of what. He was with his comrades he was bombed by nato in 2011 in which he was injured and then he was captured by a militia but they treated him quite well and then. The militias became their his very own supporters and protectors and of course the terrorists and nato contras are trying to get to him because they know here presents a very popular alternative in the country. Safe is a very intelligent man he is a truly decent human being he is not seeking power as such what he is seeking is the protection of libya and hes using his credibility as the son of the leader to gather people around and to have a dialogue he has called nonstop in the last few years for our National Conference for everyone including the islamists including his own enemies and he said lets sit together as libyans discuss our differences and reach a point of agreement and he is very genuine about this i mean safeness famous for leading discussion and dialogue with the islamists at the time of our revolutionary system and he was successful at that time in making many hundreds and hundreds of previous terrorists leave their weapons outside and their ideologies and come and become integrated in Libyan Society but can any National Movement like with syria without. You and say if we are against that reaction we are against what do you think of syria than syria were told very nearly fell into the. After western support moderate rebel socalled moderate rebels. What can possibly turn the tide in your country do you think because its still. Our point of strength is the libyan people we need to continue building. A culture of revolutionary consciousness and we need to convince the very small fry. Action of the libyan population who work for the west their choices are wrong we have succeeded immensely in this many many people who were part of the conspiracy against their own country they have left that behind and we are comrades now we talk we discuss we collaborate with Work Together so we need to continue building up this culture of of our revolution and the liberation and we we need to organize on the ground not just the Green Resistance Movement but also coordinate our actions with other sections of the Libyan Society how will they trust you ever again as far as they are already trusting us. That gadhafi in his final years what he was negotiating with shell b. P. Your local births are all well im not sure where all the money is trusting called lisa rose trusting to enable her trusting you know across the duffy wanted to make. The front fighting front with the west quite so you could win on the african front he knew libya is a small country of 6000000 he cannot have wars all over so he made the decision in the 2 thousands to open up the western embassies in tripoli and to have some limited economic deals with some european and american was a mistake. I dont think it was a mistake or such i think it was a clever idea. To quite to make the western front quiet and to Pay Attention to the african context but as i said we had some internal weaknesses and we had some african weaknesses and we were not able we did not have enough time to build our strength up you know if the 2011 conspiracy was delayed a little bit like for 5 years we would have been much stronger and we would have built some african and institutions like the African Union fight force military force that would have helped us to be protected and to stop any such conspiracy the west understood that thats why they rushed in. Creating the color revolutions in the area and they supported it in such high speed rhythm i mean the conflict in libya started on the 15th of february within a week they were in was involved within a month the bombardment started and hared off those really quicker than with move egypt ok but where is the billions with the billions of dollars of libyan peoples money that was in the sovereign wealth this is 1. 00 of the most wonderful and beautiful things about our evolutionary system after 8 years no one has been able to prove that we mismanaged any funds for the libyan nation they havent been able to find a single penny in conduct his name or his familys name or his sons or officials every single penny of the libyan wealth has been found and known its about 360000000000. 00 and they are all in Western Banks and this is a mistake they have been. Frozen of course controlled now by the you know you and apparently tell me about the colleges you made alleged to be but of course we were told in western Mainstream Media channels that it was surgical strikes whether us advanced air forces and navies in the world nato. In 2011 more than 50000 libyans were killed by nato many of them thousands were innocent civilians children wifes mothers sons the western media was able that actually i led them around and showed them the massacres in the town of magic for example more than 80 children and mothers were killed. In tripoli insert lytton every one of them has 2345 massacres and many of these with documented directly and immediately by the western media but then no one talks about them no one takes nato to court no one accuses them of war crimes and these people who were massacred unknown are known by name known by family by location by photo even the government of National Accord had to admit to these massacres and they organized a few conferences and a few press events to commemorate them during later we always say these are examples of Collateral Damage while targeting military. Targets unlike what. Was choosing to this is just silly this where continuous systemically attacks on civilian areas inside libyan cities in different locations at different times the continuation and the system as systematic nature of this tells other story but how did you psychologically recover after seeing bombardment. I did what i did i did see the bodies of children mutilated i saw mothers hugging their kids i so dead under the rubble zz i saw my. Friends and comrades civilians some of them are journalists were journalists libyan and i saw them you know killed in front of my eyes i saw destroyed houses cars neighborhood is you were good every spokesperson but you were i know the royal the way college of the university of london says that you have to finish your thesis on building a digital Film Industry in africa the economics of culture and politics you have a masters of a lot with you ended up here being in every spokesperson doing a full blooded war with nato. How are you to the well i finished my ph d. In media arts Royal Holloway College in 2009 and was officially awarded my degree in 2011. And i did political economy and the at the university of exeter and i did philosophy islamic law and sufism at so us school of oriental and African Studies in london. My academic study always led me towards the same direction which is a cultural economic political and artistic understanding of the world for me the main fight in life is for justice economic mainly but also political is for freedom of the soul freedom of the body freedom of the mind and i was so easily able to see especially when i did my ph d. Which is about Building Digital technologies in africa how the african context is completely robbed robbed of its ability to develop robbed of its freedom to express itself kept under the thumb of the west and kept capitalist machine so for me it all comes together the arts the film making the media the philosophy the economy to serve one goal which is how to liberate the individual and how to liberate the nation the african nation the african human being from the sub or the nation of the of the imperialist machine whichever thank you thank you that is a special edition of going on the ground from the german capital berlin will be back in london for a show on wednesday keep in touch watch as we go for get right to egypt. Why a paradise with so much all year round turned into a round the experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritants theres no question otherwise why would the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments but often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. I. Mean. I dont know. 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