By the americans that they had intercepted content will have a subject in a spanish case because of course he felt cia has not admitted to mugging conversations with you i understand jeffrey having been following that case so it was a case of its a breach of european law its the sort of thing that caused the pentagon papers case to be derailed because they bugged and stole stuff from the Sources Office so it is the kind of evidence thats coming out that they may not like there was a suggestion that they Trump White House wanted it to be postponed until after the elections because some evidence was going to come out about how overtures were made on behalf of the Republican Campaign to recovery. There was evidence by his fiance who said that one of the guards on behalf of benson tried to get her babys nappy so they could analyze the pool in order to see whether a sound was a power but theres a lot of clue in the courts person that the moment and more importantly as far as the press would. Was he left it on johnny depps bed so im afraid that was what the media was interested in but you have said to you successfully youve successfully overturned so many wrongful convictions here you presumably are not going to be called a witness to the Spanish Court will bow to the guards on is trying to complain or at least sort out with a cia link company you say global were bugging you yourself in the Ecuadorian Embassy can you remember any of your cases where a cia link company was abusing client lawyer privilege none that i know of but i wouldnt necessarily know but there is julian a sour 100 journalists letters and publisher who is locked up in coakley dangerous in belmarsh and he can only talk to his lawyers now after 10 minutes telephone calls for 10 minutes and its difficult to prepare a case he could have been let out on bail under a kind of house arrest or mansion arrest in the country where alec chronic shackles would prevent him from leaving but at least hed be able to prepare his case with concentration that did not appeal so he is looking at the barrel of a gun which will provide him with life imprisonment to die in an american supermax if michael. When the americans have their way and i think it is as american as american journalists are now realizing it is correct to freedom of speech because the argument from white house is putting forward is that he doesnt deserve the 1st amendment because hes not an american in australia and that it doesnt apply to any journalist working for american papers you you were retained by Julian Assange and youve defended him so is Jennifer Robinson amber heard lawyer thats why she says she was in the news so is amal clooney and the Guardian Newspaper which partnered up with wiki leaks printed an article in the past few days as this hearing was being discussed in london and then the earlier printed an article saying hes basically a russian asset. He has a russian asset and defacto as a man you yourself were defending a russian as a non a journalist at all i didnt see that article that stands i suppose from the American News about wiki leaks publishing stuff that they may have obtained from russian sources from Russian Hackers but youve got to remember wiki leaks had the idea or publishing anything of Public Interest and that what they published about the Democratic National committee to show that there was a lot of jiggery poker a carrying on to stop Bernie Sanders getting the nomination and 5 members of that committee had to resign but people are realising that perhaps if the cia had secretly slipped him some information about mr putin and his wealth or his involvement in. Assassination in britain then he wouldve had the integrity to publish that as well but when we dont we dont know because he published collateral murder which was evidence of certainly in wrights crime the killing of journalists it was really a case of burial manslaughter i suppose so so thats not nothing never been tried in that way in the d. N. C. Meanwhile joe biden the president ial contender said and then when he mixes as almost an enemy combatant seem to reflect pompei oh no reflection of the resignation of you mentioned high tech terrorists i wanted to let you get to the russia report because even though no evidence was found by the russian or border by the intelligence and Security Committee here the recommendations were that we may need american style espionage act which is under which handling was canada penitentiaries and freeze the treason government out of the prevent a lot is the object now but it would cause we havent had much luck with treason prosecutions we allowed him to be it to escape we allowed blood to continue selecting the queens loose so theres been a reluctance to use the earth in 81. 00 treason act ad i think it would be a great mistake to update it it should be abolished because its one of these vague laws about and compassing the overthrow of the monarch and i think to use it against people who have. Assisted particular russian list would be wrong a much better idea frankly is to have a rigorous foreign interests so that those who act for foreign governments must come. Clean about it and tend to see what would that mean for me saying because i think instead mandated by the russian duma the b. B. C. Obviously likewise mandated by the British Parliament to broadcast overseas does that mean the registering of found foreign journalists in one of them even bankers actually bankers who work say for h. S. B. C. Or a company in the city of london well i think this is reasonable but of course the problem with reduced ration of as a foreign interest is shown in russia or in singapore where theyve forced Amnesty International and other human Rights Groups to register and then create all kinds of bureaucratic problems so youve got a box these laws and there is a good law thats been suggested incredibly you can donate 10000 pounds to a British Political Party without any Money Laundering scrutiny so this is quite serious people are upset because Russian Oligarchs wives dont make hundreds of thousands in return for a tennis match with Doris Johnston and its clear that money that comes to any Political Party from abroad should be a bit over 10000. 00 pounds should be subject to Money Laundering room and at the moment its not so i think thats one valuable law that will come from the russia report which didnt find any russian interference in braids it but said that was because m i 5 wasnt looking well obviously the tories say all that Russian Oligarch money entirely innocent donation so the tory party ive just got a quickly just ask here we have seen case because we had someone on the senate. Jeffrey epstein was working for the israelis the Israeli Government denied it and now galen maxwell finds herself on remand in a brooklyn prison how safe is she here in that her friend epstein died in a new york prison early this is interesting because it may seem quixotic given to those so much injustice in the world or to care about it justice or give a match but you know you judge a system of law by how it treats its most unprepossessing people and the complement with american lore in these high profile cases is that there is no contempt of court nor as we have in britain so theres massive judgement its as if shes presumed guilty and the judge show so and so is wrong ever suggested and a large and i find those astonishing allowed 3 course a commission witnessed list to oppose bail and just say shes almost shes a sociopath and this of course is all reported and this is because america has no who contempt of court rules designed to protect a fair trial and as a result there is a massive a market you can see against and of course weve seen in a number of american trials that privilege does take you to sing with your it can produce a wrong verdict well she denies all the charges all wrongdoing very romantic you say thank you very much after the break does u. 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Stores even joined a Group Businesses are involved like cargill in the center there has been a shocking amount of the organizers opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs but in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from agricultural greens and industries that have a thing to do with dogs dont buy dog on a hearty. Welcome back to this lockdown edition of going underground joining me now from somerset in england is dragons den business mogul debra median and the reason there were you on the show is really to explain there was what is in store for Small Businesses now were hearing from britains e. U. Negotiated david frost that basically the e. U. Has to accept the deal on the table what will it mean for me businesses in this country well its not enough that weve been living in sort of limbo land not really understanding what the answer. Was also as you know which is a pretty rough anyway. But i think it is very worrying indeed is that businesses that probably have a huge say you know and yes and he loves the know theres a lot of just in time stuff. Probably going to like cash employed in their businesses and not sitting with this great lump of money at the 1st hour that theyre looking people wasnt thinking i dont know what ive got to do ive got a government telling me. That i dont want to carry all the phrases actually to prepare for all possible outcomes do so through in the corridors of white all they respect to or Business People so why should they think that they do that anyway on a regular basis therefore they dont have a problem with the uncertainty of. The issue for me even though the possible outcomes is that takes money you know and actually its not you know its crazy you look at business you think about whats the most. Likely outcome here and you prepare for it but the most likely outcome you look around you take account of all of the factors and you think my justin says this is probably the things that happen there is such scant information there is such a muddled horizon that i dont know this is me who spends my life trotting through issues a scent that doesnt matter but doesnt it doesnt matter. I dont know how we were kants what is the most likely scenario as sussan we dont have a lot of sitting around you know what chappel owed money then and there its yes interesting the government themselves and the reason that they didnt have an up and nighters is that it would have been a wrong decision to put a load of cash into a load event ventilators just in case theyre asking businesses to put a lot of cash into can into what will probably be totally irrelevant projects that is just not joined up. Oil more disturbing arguably if you believe the sources that are talking to the Financial Times was this report that the people in white always saying they could use covert to mosque the economic negative consequences of a no deal at the end of the year presumably Big Government would say that definitely is not the case do you think that could be the case and there are people thinking. Well if it is the case is a pretty ugly mindset you know. And that really is what we should be spending our time Walking Around the halls of whitehall talking we should be talk about how we get ourselves as it is dont be very difficult to distinguish whats happened and the edge of what has happened because brets it and it might be helpful to the governments that would probably have struggled with a with a very difficult scenario. And i do think it will let people off the hook you know and i dont like letting the i think people make decisions about their i i agree with them i dont agree with them i hope they get them right get them right well done if they dont get it right then they they should be held responsible for it and i think they could be an element of why would they. Well theyre saying theyre trying their best to learn how many request you are getting for Venture Capital how many Business Plans are being sent at the moment but i mean how do you think people fear when the bank of england bails out Ryanair Easyjet 600000000. 00 b. A. 600000000. 30 well confirms a 260000000. 00 greggs 150600000000. 00 i know how free money for a semi is life support but what do you think were thinking when the Biggest Companies in the country seem to have got so much money from the bank of england in tows alone facilities well i am just a facet of a subtle hint less unease but the truth of the matter is that theyre very happy companies that they have jobs and theyre betting at an bank that tax revenues are economic stability even if were not adding anything at price so i dont have an issue with looking at a business what fundamentally survive beyond this and suppose it for i say that whether its a big business or whether its a Small Business we should not support industries that are fundamentally a problem because you know thats just the money out a badge and we should be spending that money looking at new industries in the new shape so so you know i dont perceive a worry about the fact that were saving jobs for people and were trying to stabilize an army i dont i think thats a good way to spend the money and i think in the early days i was pretty comments about whether sportiness unease because they had moved quickly they made promises quite quickly and they actually delivered the casket as weve gone they felt clunky they havent looked at individual industries in a i think a particularly indepth way what they should be doing is what im a trade associations in dealing not just with industries as a whole you cant talk about Hospitality Industry money in the halls or all is a part you know. But look at each section that industry and understand what it needs to support and i think a bit disappointed about the target is now that they had the time to understand you know the difference of some to different parts of the Different IndustriesGoldman Sachs needed money from the u. S. Taxpayer back in 2008 which is so not emanates from Goldman Sachs that kind of ethos is the is the 1st 1st straw to be clutched at by someone from that kind of inheritance going to be this soviet style bailout i mean when you think about it for a time i dont know whether if the case right now the government overseas the figures most people are being in effect most people are in effect employed by the government here too he went all this Matter Companies saying you know they need to be bailed out weve turned into the u. S. S. R. Its a good point and its a really good question because we didnt with the support issue how do we get people through this what were not really to make this how we shape the thing that i get for so so you know new industries encouraging people to behave and my encouraging people rewarding people im actually told going into the emergent you know this is a billet industry is the i. T. Industries that are going to do pretty well as Software Companies so so so along with you know theres pieces that they need to get everybody through this and then that is a piece it says we need to die then into a long sustainable industry not just but we need to hold on we need to make sure that we get through to the time that we can make a bit of money because with fundamentally change and you know we still feels a bit like were just trying to get back so the norm when we should be looking so the future this is a really good moment to do that and the government needs to get more intelligence about doing that both because in our own building a different over time but isnt that a bit disturbing for a dragon in the sense that people really are questioning whether this of moores law of the economy is right or do we have some or all of your own recently you saying theres a reason why big businesses work so well without internal markets within the big businesses and i thought just economies of scale they are more efficient thats why walmart is more efficient thats why theres a big tech business when defending themselves in coal rest being accused of market move elation thats why their businesses are efficient they run like the soviet union well absolutely and i think thats a problem and i think that is the area of a very hunky and Old Fashioned way of doing business and i think the businesses that will survive are the ones youre actually simply agile fleece of they can check you know out of the well already 5 years ago i was dense or somehow the world is changing the same guys the most simple. And you can see if anybody is guilty you know just good just went on agility and you win the world and actually this big business is that company that can change so fast all it can do is have a disproportionate voice in government thats worrying because what it was trying so things done and keep things as they were the consumer is changing that is you know has actually changed to them i think you know their model virtual and much happier better we were shopping a microscope in what more are not communicated by on line weve built in our lives in a different way were worried about state and personal worries about the ethics of the business businesses that doesnt fundamentally change their view the way they look and the way they look at the gun to the left is good news in the s. And ps a very well placed to take advantage. Of them is on google and these companies will say we are just as agile as the smallest business here fact we can take over and buy out a Small Business in fact who are regulars then a little about Venture Capital taking over innovation from the small guy so that doesnt mean the end of big business it doesnt start a big business is consolidating and take a buying it all up again we get back to this soviet style of state capitalism thats why ive completely agree with you and actually the businesses that you talk to buy it all right giles and they are all good looking and they are having a major influence on the way we do business and its our i dont want rate i dont equate dragons that is dragons we are we are and that lists but we are looking for the stocks in aware of the s. And p. And we actually looking for the new ideas america besting and those people to carry x. And you want to is unhealthily i mean i always say every big Business Needs to remember it was a Small Business its actually is a Small Business is just bigger and they somehow the. And when i said i looked the businesses that got potential for growth into larger businesses it kind it doesnt matter who owns those businesses as long as the Market Forces them to behave as individual businesses because theyre a big Umbrella Organization a lot of the homes and lots of different businesses but within and each of those platforms have had to. Stop the entrepreneur entering the Market Building something you know coming up with a great idea has it doesnt does it matter that it goes on to be owned by somebody else all it goes on to be the business that owns other businesses thats how it works but its the essence of it and got to change its got to stay on top of mariel fleets of 1st hearts and thats the big Monkey Business is with crutches and too much legacy a com is ok were just virally we were talking about really really agile whoever you are because of the break. Is it still your view that the british people didnt really vova breakfast at all and there was russia that interfered with the breaks are out now so thats never been my view because we did the press it you know so the question is how much were they influenced well i think russia obviously played hearts. I but i think there are a lot of influences you know there are a lot of people banding around a lot of meaningless words a point we were making decisions and. Listen i didnt understand many nations of threats and i live in the you know in the biz you know i did. It some pills for me how everything. Is is integrated with the family like worrying about what were going to do so i am sorry but i defy anybody who was going to. To make such a mental decision to fully understand me including what that decision meant. Well pressure of course denies any interference with their reading thank you very much locked out of your league game as we hopefully get some clarity about what business is about planning thanks so much and thats it for this Long Television all going underground on the monday well talk about going into outer space stay safe. There was competition there free Market Competition then drugs in america the price but the love thats the beauty of free market capitalism the fact they dont have free market capitalism for drug prices in america shows you have an entrenched goal accompli or monopoly and they gouge its price gouging and hes right so you try to dismantle that but without that kind of premium for these drugs for these companies the however i dont see how theyre going to command the multiples they do on the stock market so hes hes got it hes saying hes either going to take a 50 percent hit on the stock market or is going to lose a lot of people that need the drug. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy the infante shouldnt let it be an arms race in this on off and spearing Dramatic Development on. Personally im going to exist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. 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