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International now in light of todays events in france the country had to raised its Terror Threat system to the highest level 3 people were killed with at least one beheaded in a cathedral in the city of nice several of those were injured the suspect has been arrested after being shot and wounded french antiterrorist prosecutors are investigating the case and the french president has visited the scene of the attack now with more on todays events his charlotta been ski empowers the attack level in france has been raised in the last few hours to attack a level meaning france thinks it could be subject to other attacks following whats happened in nice where 3 people were killed inside a Church Inside not a silica in the heart of the city of nice present mark warner has arrived on the site to see whats happening and to offer his condolences 3 people dead including one we understand who was beheaded in an attack that has shocking reminiscent of that attack on the history teacher said patty less than 2 weeks ago 2 others also killed in that attack were not exactly sure of the details of what happened to them but they do understand that it was a mass stabbing that took place inside the church now the marigny says been talking out about whats happened hes described this as a terror attack. In this new tragedy to do receive victims of islamofascism which i repeatedly denounced while the antiterrorism prosecution has taken over the investigation into what unfolded in nice and we are waiting for further developments from them to see whether they are officially considering this to be a terror attack but all suggest. I would show that that is exactly what it is it has the hallmarks of islamist attacks including when the perpetrator was apprehended by the police he apparently screamed out. Several times that is god is the greatest the french Prime Minister has been paying his own condolences this act which is barbarian as it is cowardly has plunged the entire nation into mourning the government has just raised its terror alert level throughout the country theres been reaction as well from opposition politicians who are questioning whats happened in nice some of the strongest came from the leader of the National Rally in Marine Le Pen the dramatic acceleration of islamist eriks a war against our fellow citizens in our country demands from our leaders a comprehensive response aimed at the ready cation of islam as from our soil bullshitted of course offer her condolences to the families of the victims of that brutal attack in the heart of nice on thursday morning and thats also been the thoughts and condolences from many of the people now of course this attack happened in a Catholic Church and the vatican has been speaking out about this recently suggesting that they condemn this attack and also has said that terrorism and violence is Never Acceptable and this does come to you doesnt that charlotte is a very tense time for france yes france at the moment is on the edge of a knife with this anger spilling out in muslim majority countries this comes after president machen to friended the right to publish and to use controversial cartoons of the muslim prophet mohammed in civics lessons such as after the beheading of 7 patty and also to be published in french magazines and in its newspapers lets take a quick reminded now of whats unfolded in the last 2 weeks. I know that one of our compatriots was murdered because he taught our compassion it was the victim of an islamist terror attack. And this is the concern person of russian nationality and of chechen origin benefited from a Refugee Status and lived in the he was not known to the Intelligence Services on a judicial level hes never been convicted but was known for cases of damaging public property and Gang Violence while still a minor. He asked Muslim Children to raise their hands and leave the classroom she did it my son told me he didnt do it to discriminate or to hurt he did it to preserve the children to not shield them he explained id prefer if you left because im going to show occurred to me of the prophet of islam i dont want to shock you. Im even more shocked that this college is one i opened when i was the town mayor working there was nice and it was located in a neighborhood without any problems or violence i dont think that this act of terror is a crazy man state but a premeditated act. Well following comments by president matt calling that france would not step back from showing these controversial cartoons there has been this out spilling of anger in many muslim majority countries with protests in bangladesh in jordan libya and in other countries theres also been a call for a boycott of french products and weve heard the turkish president to essentially lead the charge saying that president mack or needed to have his Mental Health check all of this comes as the director general of the National Police in france has been urging for the last few days for additional vigilance in the wake of whats happening this anti french sentiment he indeed said to people that they needed to be extra vigilant particularly around places such as religious sites which of course this church in nice is shot at the penske there will be modest series of other similar attacks were reported today in the city of amman yawn and also the saudi city of jeddah france has faced a number of brutal terror attacks to in recent years. Ok well im pleased to say we can now talk to dr Louis Harrington an Anti Terrorism expert and also the author of understanding martyrdom terrorism in europe so youre a good person to talk to today louis thanks for coming on can you make sense of whats weve seen in france today is it easy to pinpoint the causes. Well molly you know based of all my work i look to 80 men so in the last 20 years theres been 48. And i would look to it all 80 men responsible and try to find things that connect these individuals to get. So its him he its very disconcerting looking at myself but on the. Next day were going to you know i think clearly carry on is fine. You know. So i looked at the people who actually carry out these its not people who talk about it not people who go wall and threatened to do it not people that might have done it ive looked at all 18 individuals who actually did the deal and theres a pattern of. Thursley theyve experienced cold black straw in childhood. This is led to a series of dysfunctionality Substance Abuse criminality. Even turning their lives around theyve got involved in islamic extremism to try to escape from that dysfunctionality. Only this is diverted and this is sent them down a pathway such that a baby surely they cannot reconcile and theyre all die density and then you want and you get whats called cognitive dissonance they cannot reconcile these 2 identities and its these are the people who are volunteering we see a lot of people will talk about doing a lot of people threatened to do it but the people who actually do it theyve all got this similar background of all theyre all coming into excitement extremism having 1st at a period of been over observant of being very dysfunctional when it comes to it is islamic extremism having no real grounding you know theyre very observant beforehand they dont really know anything about religion and the truth is theyre not theyre not dying for religion that im doing this for islam theyre doing this for god its about their personal one on one relationship with god and thats got to be understood as being separate religion is a tremendous sat nav to god theres lots of different sat navs different but the but its the relationship between dog s. Theyre seeking their individual level these men are often seeking with densher for previous conduct and theyre struggling with guilt you look through look at the previous people the nice take your circle of barley. Korea charisma not take mohammed well while drove the truck you know the history of us of Substance Abuse of criminality you know its almost as if these acts of terrorism are a rational decision for men who are struggling with previous conduct and so were going to see more war after what you want to find is with this when theres a sense when one starts it its almost gives a legitimate. See to the others so that the reason that france has raised its terrorism level is because it takes one and its kind of like a rally around the flag now were all going to were all going to go because it becomes rational your when you think you will get legitimacy for it. And so there is this kind of thing will kick off others it will incite others to do what theyre already thinking of doing do you see a connection between the arguments and the debates weve heard about Charlie Hebdo in the freedom of speech i mean you know these are these are good the theres a lot of people when we need to see what goes on with the stream of speech it annoys a lot of people. And the people that carry out the chose to track theyre not doing it because of charlie updo the law doing it because of of whats going on there they use it serves as a useful way of giving what theyre planning to do anyway legitimacy you know there are a lot of people who disagree with charlie or dont its all just thousands of what you would call is list is a mystic stream ists. Theres very few more to terrorists theres very few people who actually do deal if the Charlie Hebdo was so offensive was so horrible surely they could be thousands of people on the street stabbing one another its not its a tiny tiny minority what is it about the tiny minority that distinguishes them from all the rest of us and thats why you have to look at this individual level you have to understand what why some people are carrying out these acts of terrorism and majority dont and when you understand these individuals you see that actually they were going to carry out a terrorist attack anyway they were just waiting for the live event to occur that gave them a sense of pride that the gave them that sense of yes now ive got a good reason to do it i was going to do it anyway but now ive got a really good reason lets keep on thats why the terror thats why the aleuts are raised because now is the devils dangerous time there will be and there will be a series of attacks across europe within the next week or so i guarantee it. And you say thats because an hour heard the term copycat but obviously from what youve said its a lot deeper than that but for me Authorities Point of view then presumably you know if what you say is true and theyre following that as well how easy is it to counter these acts of terrorism and stopping them from happening so that in the in the book understanding more from terrorism or a european perspective the final chapter is what i define as a council of martyrdom strategy. And again thats a kind of a long term thats trying to help the people who gain volta people who will eventually become lost terrorists you know when they when they when they are looking for help they can either turns was lemme get streamers them or the concerns or outreach programs now thats a sort of a Long Term Strategy what the strategy that must take place today the absolute minimum or the governments must come out and say we will not shoot to kill because theyre trying to duck theyre trying to die in the process this diary was shot but he wasnt killed you take the last attack after stopping the teacher you know the guy was killed thats a big part of it and martyrdom youll still be a martyr even if you go to spend 4 years in prison but lets be honest if im going to be a martyr i dont really want to spend 4 years in prison and the docs who make it im going to do something thats so bile and so terrifying the police will shoot to kill change the law dont breach attack these guys were wearing fake suicide vests why because they had to guarantee they would die now if you get the french president or the British Foreign minister comes on and says fundamentally we are not going to shoot to kill now ive got a little bit of hesitation now im thinking wait a 2nd im works of art like this i could spend 4 years in prison i dont really want to do now i have to die in the process you cant i dont think weve seen a case where a man has stabbed himself to death yet they want to die by cop they want to be shot dead dont give them that take that away make it clear we will not shoot to kill does that put the police in a difficult position because they are there to protect the public and if you have a man paging with a knife or a gun. Or absolutely a trade marksman can surely aim for the legs. You know all this you know theres i dont think its beyond the capabilities of our amazing. Special forces are amazing policeman to to disable some being without your without killing of and again remember its unless you do that people will are going to try it theyre going to look at take the killing a soldier lee rigby the beheading the stabbing in london this man was carrying a little with a fire on the didnt work he ran towards the police. Really was shot but he wasnt he wasnt killed if he thought that there was a chance that actually the police were determined not to kill him were still carried out that act of terrorism and its not theres no certainties in this we deal with Human Behavior we dealing with the men who are at a time when often when they when they carry out this martyrdom attack its at a time when they are then most stressed the lockdown almost certainly is as as as as had an impact on the Mental Health of the individuals who are actually going to carry out there isnt a lot thats been bottling up bottling up theyve been stuck and now people are allowed out a bit more i hope you know i mean its difficult its from pigs humans are probably doing it you can never be a percent sure whos going to wake up tomorrow and decide you know what im done im going to go and and it is impossible to stop how do you stop a guy really really nice well absolutely just let you know in the last few minutes this present macron has announced a 7000. 00 soldiers spawn the one that be mobilized on the streets of france after this attack today. He knows its got it he knows its same as what is it buys us like me oh say to him hes saying look this dyed this rally round the flag revolutions they dont have that when people are most oppressed social revolution is rallying it happens when somebody. Rise up you know take the Islamic State with a diet to close the caliphate everybody is rising up around it and he is absolutely sure that this will this is what will happen now you know i will be surprised if across europe various governments of the threat levels dont increase because of this you know yeah certainly ok look sorry before natter time there but we appreciate your time today that was a fascinating conversation with dr Louis Harrington and a terrorism expert and the author of understanding martyrdom terrorism in europe thank you thank you very much regret. Now as we just mentioned there president macron has just given his reaction to todays events he said security will be tightened in schools and up to 7000. 00 soldiers will now be deployed throughout the country it does come after 3 people were killed earlier today with one at least one woman beheaded when a knife and went on a rampage at a cathedral in nice several of the people were left injured the suspect was arrested after being shot and wounded by police a series of other similar attacks 2 rules are reported today in the french city of avignon there was a stabbing there and also in the saudi city of jeddah that was needed the french consulate in light of the events frances Terror Threat system has been raised to the maximum level. Meanwhile protests have been gripping the muslim world over the french president s recent the fence of the right to parody religion it comes as the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo is caricature at the center of the right added fuel to the fire with its latest front cover it does feature a cartoon of the president who has been one of the fiercest critics of the french state stance on freedom of expression ankara branded the front cover disgusting with turkish prosecutors launching a criminal probe in response to the shall have to publication the turkish president here slammed it as hostility towards islam he said disrespect for the prophet mohammed is spreading like cancer especially among european leaders we asked people in paris for their take on the carter. Personally i find it disrespectful even if we have the right to use blasphemy we have no right to mock religion. In these times of crisis and international attacks on france i find it important to reaffirm the values on which we are firmly established in france the caricature is the 1st of these. The publication of this drawing and mocking a religion is dangerous because it increases hatred. It represents the fact that despite everything humor is the most important thing and that everyone in this position after everything here said about france and the president of our republic gets a nice lesson from Charlie Hebdo. Thats the latest drawing without a one its a provocation meanwhile the french ambassador to sweden recently claimed that france is now actually a Muslim Country but his remarks there didnt ring true with the parisians we spoke to. I dont agree with the french ambassador to swear down because we live in a secular country there are many communities in france one of them muslim people which have a big place in france but we stay secular country. France is not a Muslim Country absolutely not it is a country of Judeo Christian tradition and there is nothing more to say it is really stupid. France is not a Muslim Country but islam is the religion which has the most believers here and we can see a lot of racism in france there are a prejudices towards muslim people but in my colleague here in unable to debate the limits of freedom of expression with our guests. You cant hold a country sponsible for one of my using posts can you its a private enterprise publishing satire in a western liberal nation i dont the problem is just charlie able in their characters i think its the institutionalization of mosques i think its microns comments that islam is in chaos islam needs to be reformed mccrum to reform islam was moved prompted judge whether islam is in chaos or not i think when it goes up to a president ial level in france and you have someone at the level of metron backing this caricature and making a big fuss about it and criticizing the state of islam yet thats taken very seriously by muslims throughout the world so bright that you space this gives me. All the private newspaper can make up to and use the french tradition you can accent it can refuse if i dont said something to our turkish friend inside did this newspaper the name shall be at the during 20 years i so that it gets 0 to one against again its just cries against the pope and. Its not just against misname this newspaper is not the position of the government the position of the government is freedom of press a lot of muslims who are feeling theyre being directly attacked by this its not just seen as a clumped on radical islam is and how do you confront the 2 how do you do that this has a sort of clash of civilization in value systems i wouldnt go so far as to say it is it is extremely difficult there are clearly different perspectives on the world in volumes i think sensitivity to each other is important and i would say that freedom cannot be absolute in that sense. Religion is a very ginger very touchy subject and when you enter someone elses tabooed and you claim freedom of expression but then you have a leader a french leader again continue to project this on the buildings you have a french leader continue to say islam is in chaos this really pushes the line there is freedom of expression and then the plane insulting isnt there where theres this fault nobody everybody should try to dont offend people for the problem is not misnamed the problem east that in my country and to gracious its completely broken of course the biggest difficulties we still make in this same times freedom for the press and if i can said this not by god ok but this sense for photos. Youre watching us hey were going to take a quick break now and i will be back in about 10 minutes. 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France comes under attack and knife and goes on the rampage of the cathedral in a sleeping 3 dead and several injured i met says he sitting is the victim of islamic fascism. But partially in this new tragedy today we see victims of islamofascism which i have repeatedly denounced following the brutal attack president micron or just the deployment of thousands of soldiers across the country meanwhile the french consulate in saudi arabia is also targeted where a man was arrested after attacking a security guy with enough