Transcripts For RT Documentary 20240711

Those playground, as there was playground, because i think most people would like to think i would like to think to myself, i would never do that. But did you ever say to yourself, damn, why do i tell these life not why i tell these lies a poem, i started a new rooted in religion that exists in my really did not exist as i would just are. I just throw going to there probably exist among the worlds is just filler heard. There are, i says of the i the new form with the model of the wood, with the model of the mire. It was a, it was a rural place. Just to go home or yes, my way normal i was word, it was going to be true or it was world which were all choices shop over a word or 2 supreme right now here she is. See the court is in there. Would you bring that phone cord in somebody up . No, not only did cream bring met him, but he brought it in and drop the other. Another portion of it in the purse. Thats yes, thats absurd. I bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the Kitchen Floor and their life doesnt work. Doesnt work, renee, not good enough, didnt didnt he do it in the living room . Look at this photo, look, i want to see you. Oh yeah. The truth doesnt fit with renees. No concise. No. I want to see your real place. And i think you heard that some wishful thinking. Mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were days. Confession was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want career because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case, evidence or other crime scene evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats when they are you hearing in renes piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. The d. N. A. Testing some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims and i think out of 41. 00 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession snitch . No, i have no particular. Oh oh ok. Do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know. Oh it was before the bible. Do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . As june was named was very, it is in some of my impression looking back that thank you all hear shes guilty. Well, shes guilty and you go make sure you know you can sometimes it was a bloody crime. So now we know i was my d. N. A. So these are somebody else. How was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them. And we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated real soon. Really, others look, you know, the below average and here is this work out i just want to talk to you because i know how being were now trying to get her out. Can we come by . What dr. Just talked to me, i think is so much we need to ask close the most important thing to so how she was to what her interactions with the police were with young with andrea you know, and how my me every day. And he didnt have a car with a promise you anything like where youre going to get out to let me out here when you write, i want to get out and so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful lets talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on welfare. Oh. Time was right now. Is why you do your loneliness didnt you know. There were there were dan burton being interviewed a lot of them sewn on the ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old, lorenza, when this happened and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds, very young, a one year older. The overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is the amount of they tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzos. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert. And your shoe is the print at the crime scene. That was untrue you know, we spent all night to get up there as in the us, you can call the day, you are not rest until we are. It is going to happen. Weve got one window g. R. Coming down for you there. So you the 3rd, are there goal is for the jailer until you are there, even if you have no idea why you dare to your friends with a lot of friends every day. If you were there were to find out. Thats interesting. He didnt say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said we have that to be tested. They said, right. There is a bar usually the moment im hot political issue well be in the United States police a, permitted to lie about it and tell you right out to do. We think a lot of fast that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries dont permit it. The u. S. Supreme Court Permits it. So consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is. Tell you were involved in something before he started stripping process and the mother already is believing what you people look for to see whether what were saying is actually playing out in the real world. And sort of thing to look at would be the u. S. Dollar versus the big 4 x. Pair. Thats going to tell you whats happening in the global economy. If this, all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and its already, you know, looking very weak. I think the last 4 years on her cheek propped up to a large degree. But i think now youre going to see a serious decline of the dollar. Chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar this is a story of women. Women was troubled histories and complex court cases. You know, some leave the person that the cheesiness and considered the most dangerous of criminals. Shes in a civil trial. The off 23 hours of the day. Tell me that its not enough punishment of women on death row. Still going to see both of you dead already is a little bit, isnt it . Is it true that the brain is huge, that youre surely there even better to savor it. So you did you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role is part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know what if i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that one red zone. I dont think youd ever done it. I didnt want to jack the car into one that did. The communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person the suspect and think that the police dont think this is such a big deal and therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. There are going to go, you know, how do you press theyre going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already. He now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you here . Were here at sleaze house through the wrestle. You see things in the computer here. 1st nature. G. R. Who kicks you in the head. Of course, the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the drake shoes. Brazel position. Your job is just right. Hes now being set up. So that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that statement should convey, that he was kicked in, the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got a goal. So later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession. And theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened in all those things. If he was in there staring me down. Oh, you made that up. I just want your prior 5 minutes. You wake up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they do not. Question is youll be home for her, which will be boys, you know, you talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister it your girlfriend and your life. Is you ready to ring the royal what kim and in the same person do solve the situation. And he said, i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down, doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was in prison for 14 years, so he got out at 28. 00. He was in solitary confinement for 4 years, because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14 to 18, lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar right suit pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Sol. Peter, welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So how the hell are we going to get this fixed . I believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions, i dont know, youre going to get away with it. Im a bit of criminal Justice System as a store looking at prosecutors from we be you which false, confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutor culpable. I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability them. And of course with why police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, korean mounts and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene. You know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has his grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that, you know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out having a half hour track. A very far i know. Have you done to play some together . Its ok. I understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time but we dont want to mess it up. Renee, we all are only going to get one shot at this. Right. So just hang in there and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end to military service of the disease newsmen their merits and do gooders, and those who knew the system is missing. The biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. So you believe you do that . Got him close to us. He can anyway blame himself for i think so. Control ending and 1st thing. They all do with it. My own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to come out to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted was a confession, as opposed to something else, the stigma of that touch to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent. Sure, i get the confession is so powerful that even after its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But he has lost his whole family. Theres no relationship with them really. And thats something that then my opinion, the city in the prosecutors took away from him. Right . That money cant replace. Combats is a size. You dont, you dont know when to do it and cherry. I dont know what endures. So it is sort of your brain will be the morning star over here. Start to join the lingo, whatever the journey may be. If im going to stand in the house, you know, from wonder being free. It really is. A problem that, you know is systemic. Right . Its a problem that victimizes, a lot of people. You have the, the person who falls in compresses whos life is ruined. You have their family, whose lives are ruined. You have the victim when theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really a, its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System, but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person confess to a crime. He or she didnt commit. Its a 2nd story. And 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals all mr. Mir is now able to research actual cases of laboratory studies, field studies, and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells us when you lie to people about evidence relied to people about reality. You can change their perceptions and change their memories or you can change just about every aspect of the con, the function of the british Human Progress for, for spring point. Is your media a reflection of reality in a world transformed what will make you feel safe . Isolation or community, are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere . Direct. What is true . What is faith . In the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths or a made in the shallowness of the emperor source. Luke wolf was to leave. Sure. But wu loverboy was if youre sure the movie i can board, it doesnt actually matter. Vegetable wouldve been murdered by you. Going to go with us because all of those who knew those told me name we was in the media. Have used with weve seen the movies used by is the most severe, some of put in your sleeves. Come on and use the im the 20th century was thing, era of revolution. The Great Depression and world wars, the 21st is the century of mental illness. Those arent my words. Thats what surfaced some psychiatry to tell us. The only question is should we accept it as a fact use or know out for blood just a week after the u. S. President ial election set to be contested in court. Democrats about their reverse job to trump. We have to collect the republican party, which we have to level up because if there are survivors, if there are people where this storm while an election worker from the volga blows the whistle on, the alleged vote fraud having some credence to trumps widely tranced claim, the 2020 race was stolen, i guess debate whether mass fraud is a plausible