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As cities grow and land is developed, a problem is presented. How do we protect our nature and of the unique animals that live here . This is the caucus has nature reserve where they are cultivating an Innovative Program to re release leopards into the wild. Im showing thomas, this is united visions, and today were on the mountains across i probably on the caucuses nature reserve is one of the kind with its a huge territory and diverse and wildlife citizenship a lot. Is the director here. He has spent his life to the force of the reserves. Its his likes work and hes with us today to show us what its all about there. Yeah, thank you for meeting out here. Its going to be interesting to learn what you do. So 1st, lets start off, tell me youve been doing this job for a long time as a park ranger. Tell me how you got into this job and what exactly do you do . The voice and this result for 40 years and ive been in the mountains since i 1016 ive worked in tourism taking taurus through the nature reserve. Specialize the mountain tourism. Yeah, i climbed mount algebra city of that. Im all about the mountains. Its my words as far as the range of them for years and i studied while i became a forest engineer. So i been through one level, its up to the director for so which is whats interesting is that on the 21st direct here in 99. Yeah. And ive been in this position for 20 years with my previous as to what . 15 years. So the, every student to be on the 19th direct is before that was 2 or 3 years already. A bunch of work here is very difficult because the territory, everybodys really big the size. But as of right now, were number one in the country in terms of visitors, but we dont that tories go deep into sign. The result. What seems to be data is create recreational facilities around the perimeter, fixed by 6100000. 00 people visited the nature of the end of last year, around the perimeter, japan and know that 400000. 00 spent time near the result. Just so practically, no damage was done. Now you tell me a little bit about the dangers of your job. And if you have any source to share. No, then towards the 17 we mounted 100 years of the nature reserve system within those 100 years since the system was created. 103 major is this, have been created more than 57 people have died across the whole country. About 16 of them in the cuckoos is natures. Thats 30 percent. Plus that has a very big number of these people were killed by poachers or drowned string crossings. Us go to potentially full weight on duty for 16 people. Thats a lot of. So i consider all what quite dangerous, spell it as a mess up when i became direct to it. There was a lot of poaching, mostly outside the nature reserve limit. So that was actually sees very few guns in the reserves because mainly working around the perimeter. Yup. House and i more people began to engage in mt page and campaigns at cfo decided today. Theres no poaching in the nature is on the bottom right now, the only page is a torres to catch a snake by micro baker red list. Plants catch a caterpillar for some wag tile, but then you have that small side poaching. Whats pretty easy if youre taking use away from the force and oh, thats cool. So damaged with working just on that. Now this place is really big. About 280000 hectors. How do you protect such a vast area from people and from whom are you protecting the area . Ive seen more or 16 range of stations around the perimeter, ultimate to reserve. I be the whole lives that will be around 3 to 4 families at one location, especially at home in the mountains. The natures that i misplaced into ranges with what we have 48. 00 ranges, is supervised by 48. 00 rangel, and each of them responsible for one area. And you told me i saw you in general talking about control and protection. You have good communication, safety, but there are no roads in the nature reserve of them. You cant get it. And here by congress spoke kind of high court take a holes. Im also, although its not easy to protect and what he does have you sent vantages. Now sir, yeah, i understand that theres a place a little bit higher that you want to take us to. So we go, lets go to the outline, mentors now, right. The now we know dont far from us. Right now. Theres a beer, as you pointed out, what other kind of interesting animals are here and the reserve, those that make of the doors from there is huge animal at times. Lets see here, the european bison dead to sham law jackal baskerville, folks wild boar. And so i wonder when we go to the next year, we monkey the 110. 00 of us, 3 of the cokes is natures situated. Was created specifically to preserve the population of the european vice. And also the 1st one was course in the courses in 1856. 00, thats the thing handled, wasnt known facts. And so they took it to the st. Petersburg academy of sciences. The way it was double dont by this word means why some in translation, but could each kick off at last by some responses in the coax is a 1927. All those lights in 1976. The fuel blended european bison, nicknamed comcast was found in germany. Im return to rush out before that, but they wouldnt know female animals because so 9 female bison were taken from a nature reserve in ukraine to create to population here. What the patient about spread, especially is today we have 1200 european bystanders. So we managed to present this species. Eco tourism is becoming more and more popular here, with crowds of tourists heading into the reserve, which the start of the season. But how do you make sure everyones safe . How do you keep people from encroaching into the territories that are supposed to be home to some of the worlds of career suspicions, olga paid about is the Deputy Director of the congress is nature reserve. Shes with us today to provide some perspective. Olga hello. Hello. Thank you for meeting me out here to help us understand this beautiful place. Can animals and humans actually co exist or will humans always be a threat . Is there a way to strike a balance . I though its unfortunately one pro, thats a very complicated question because animals are always put under stress and the presence of humans that i mean troy. We seem to nature reserve that people dont know how to interact with wild animals as people are either very afraid of them or become aggressive. Or we see in local settlements that people pay little attention to their garbage, attracting wild animals, even though he bought this change is the animals behavior. And they become more aggressive. He does, assuming they dont behave like they would in the wild system. Some became the 1st question tourist ask when they come to the nature reserve is if we have bears. Here i was and we say yes, we do it over and they ask, and what should we do . Because we want to hike along this route and you have bears all around that, and we keep explaining to people that wild animals are normal and healthy. And if their habitats and behavior are not influenced by humans, i try, they will never attack a torres, a person who is just walking by the door. The scariest animals in the mountains are probably humans themselves because they dont know how to behave properly for only starting to develop eco tourism. Helping people learn more about nature and how to preserve it. Now nature reserves like this needs space and it seems to me that theres always going to be people building and infringing on that space. For example, hotels interest areas. Is that a problem and how do you combat that . That this chest company, it has become a problem because hotels and resorts have advanced practically up to the reserves boundaries. And i remember the Biggest Issue is that we dont have the opportunity to educate torres and is to make sure that they know theres a nature reserve nearby that they should and play loud music or leave garbage and tell them to only walk along the trails in certain areas we simply cant manage it. Theres a lot of people and the resorts dont adequately inform their guess about their surroundings to prevent, of course. So this impacts on the animals causing them to move deeper into the nature reserve. If i, if this continues to nature reserve will wind up being like an island dress and then the chance of preserving wild life here for another 100 or 200 years will be diminished in what sort. But also now our director and colleagues are saying that its important to create green core doors between nature reserves to leave space thats not occupied by people, roads, or resorts. So that animals can move freely and these different species cross path thats going to in the very, in google kind of an extreme answer. Is it possible just to lock the area off and keep people out completely . Uh, were in the fifties and sixties. And even when nature reserves were just being set up at the beginning of the previous centuries, there was the idea of turning them into sanctuaries, of so close off the area, prevent people from coming in to go stick to science and preserve the animals or its enough but it didnt stand up to criticism because when people dont know whats happening on a certain territory and they become hostile towards it, and so that henders preserving everything sides, weve opened to less than 3 percent of our territory to visitors. Thats almost 400 kilometers of trails that people can hike on board and they have the opportunity to see all the climatic zones. Look at the mountains. Forest is the highest points and the glaciers can. When people see the Alpine Meadows in bloom and of little colors changing every 2 weeks, they are inspired by this. They begin to love this and become our assistance in preserving nature. But if we lock off, yes, were going to lose these people here. So here, finding this balance is very important for you mentioned that there are different routes that tourists can take, but tourist and people in general can lets say be a little bit stupid. Sometimes they try and go around the past and find their own ways. Um, are you finding yourself in the position to have to go and rescue these tours sometime tonight and grab . Were good. Yeah, sometimes we save these torres because most of the tragic or dramatic situations and the nature reserve occur when people leave the trails. Dont follow the rules, id say, well, we shouldnt have a 3rd, but thankfully, in the last few years, there have been few extreme situations and thought we generally manage to find people and have a talk with them for the i believe people arent stupid or intend to violate the rules for the main reason. This usually happens is because they dont know why they cant do certain things so that they would when you explain it, they are motivated not to do this anymore. So thats whats the price. You mentioned that people dont have the proper or not. They dont always have the proper information. Ive heard you wants to talk about the story of the bear coming into a tent because the bear one of the chocolate bar and the people didnt know to keep their food separate. So do you have any other stories like that die of i the we had the story repeat 2 years ago last year and there are several places in the nature reserve that are very popular with torres. And so i really need to, but these are also places where bears traditionally live and very young bears that arent as smart as the older ones. And they dont know, its not a good idea to approach people and like teenagers, theyre curious as not these bears come to tours camping spots and naturally are attracted to the smell of food. We inform torres that they need to store food away from where they sleep and were paying them on a tree or put them in some kind of close space at the camping site. If there is one step. But incidents still happened. One happened 2 years ago when a girl had 2 chocolate bars in her backpack and a young bear came and of course, she only took the backpack she carried it off. We found it not far from the camp site so that these things happen so that its not the very small know of the persian leverage of what, as long as this area sun showing human scale saved from the brink of extinction. The persian leopard is now slowly but steadily returning to the place. It is a rightful home. So there are only about a 1000 persian leopards left in the world. How many of them are here in this reserve . When was the last time a pleasure . The left side was spotted here. The wild was in 1984 and then after that they disappeared. Whats a good thats good up up into the house and i just lifted Reintroduction Program was launched in with be sure today we have, i mean 311. Its in the nature reserve or but what the main problem we have is that the elaborate steps stay here with the lead, the resumes boundaries and you, at the well as a lot of snow, had the lipids and not back doing a hunting big prey on my side, they moved to places inhabited by records, i saw jackals badges and small rodents, lot of the know, and thats what the monitor them using. Wont lice camera traverse. They will probably know way a shuttle to release the female liquid into the wall. And im going to say we decided to put her outside the rest of the 3 male and that, but its already live. It seems to me, its all about the balance. And what i mean is there was a time when the leopards were not in this region and re introducing them to the region is also kind of changing the way nature works. Is this an intrusion into nature as well . Or are you worried about that type of intrusion issue . Theyre splitting, i dont think its an intrusion. The below wind up with there is a very high density of animal populations here. So 30 and we have 1800 depth of 2000 says and 1300. Sure. Well, a number of places of shows and where we wouldnt disrupt the animal planet. Separate. But whats of size the rapids now live outside the nature is that it is, as i said, mainly feeding on small rodents. How does the process work when you reintroduce a leopard or any animal back into the wild . How do you know where to let them go . How do you know if theyre ready to be released . Thats interesting to me know and also comes little fishes. We have a scientific debate, nasa nature reserve Team Including 7 ph. D s into professors. And when we have a breeding station located in the saw the national box before the animals that kept an enclosure, i know about the bone and lives there for 2 years while we train them for the wild as if it were up to 2 years. They released into the nature is uh, what we chose, the best suited places for that. That of course, is a good areas with little snow and high animal density and stuff i did last time we released the language right in the center of the nature is of to be able to really see who weve changed our plan, the following recommendations from us science division, so we do, we keep monitoring the price. I sold it around and its a spattering Monitoring Missions every moment. They using camera trips to small places with more animals with what so they see it. We can to release the language outside. There is one of the most impressive programs here in the nature reserve, the introduction of the person leopard. And hopefully well get to meet some of your residents nickel. Im. Were on the head of the center as he will show us around. Nikolai, thanks for giving us the opportunity to come here to your office and experience this leopard firsthand. Um, everyone in the entire world is looking at this a specific reserve and what youre doing here. What makes your program so unique when, regardless price, because it protects a photo store, what makes all products you unique is that no one else has been able to make as much progress in ring for inducing lodge privatized into their natural habitat. So whats the new, what theyre actually able to have been some attempts, tories told the population of lines in africa. And the problem was that those lines, once they were re introduced into the wild wood, usually died, was kind of whats next. And probably what bring it by we, on the other hand, have been able to breed new, let pause from adult wild animals and all center will change. But then were raise them in a way to make them prepare to some volume out in the wild on their own. But its just an affinity. We released almost as generation of that pausing 2016 and they have been able to survive on the and the same thing that was best one kid shipment is that they avoid meeting people, blah, blah. And despite the fact that the call cause is densely populated, which and seeing all that pause do not come to households to prey on domesticated animals. Finding anybody who might have condemned, instead full, they hunt into the wild video. And that even though it gets really hard in winter when snow can be up to one me to think. And instead of being on the less, the still capable of adapting. And thats a very important component of the survival in the wild. Ha. Where do i have to me . It seems to me that it takes a lot of area to be able to do what you do. Can you give me an idea of the, the size of this place to scope at the family globally of a process . Thats actually the most important question. As our boss here is to say the most important thing, you know, walk is infrastructure and what is without it, we wont be able to prepare the animals effectively for survival in the wild here. And those are in our 3rd tree is currently we have 12 hectares now and we have a number of sectors dedicated to different functions such as we have a headquarters and then that way we can control all the processes remotely, you know, and that from, from those as you can see, all animals sectors are equipped with the video cameras and we can remotely do things like open the gates for the pods to go through a dump and also remotely, with accumulated enough experience to be able to control them Hunting Lodge hoof dynamos remotely. By the recorded image discount, we have hunting sect testing, but at the same with what am i sure with the web s of everything by surveillance cameras if legit and make adjustments whenever necessary and the Training Program for each individual the pod. If i may ask, where do your leopards come from at the border . Fortunately, this is another very important issue. Thats good. Thats actually one of the key things because you know, the to phone when you population in the wild. Hopefully we need to release specimens. Im with different genetic background, so essentially synchronizing. So one important thing we do here is try to obtain as many new mothers or heres news. But on, despite the fact that some of the parents turning most off from sues, the baby lab thoughts have all the necessary instincts for survival in the wild look. And our job here is to help them develop those instincts. The excuse the nice thing with thats the main job here at this center, we still unofficially stimulate Natural Instincts fairly soon. We are not inventing anything new here. We simply create conditions for these products has to be able to follow the instincts and succeed, took care of food. And now the animals that come from the zoo parks the zoos themselves. They cant be released into the wild. Can they . Because theyre already spoiled for that kind of life. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Youre absolutely wrong. We had a case when the pug, to feeling problems donated as a young let part of the 2 years old. And they said that it had been kept separately and had no contact with people whatsoever. Anyone im, so presumably it was wild, i would, we had our doubts about it and ran a series of tests here to see how it would behave as many bucks. And we found out that the animal wasnt able to hunt, wasnt afraid of people, and couldnt interact with all the lat punch on the best we spent a year training. Hammonds for that build up soon as you finally started hunting and realize piece of that know the human. Then youll be able to start a mocking territory scratching, rubbing urinating, but we seem to have trouble getting him to avoid people consistently point oh, strongly up every now and then he would start showing interest in humans trying to approach as much as before. He leaves the animals into the wild. Were run a series of very demanding tests and, and when we tested him for human interaction, thats one way i act as a group of taurus approach in the lab pod area. But that subject lab got excited that it came out to interact and she was like, oh, finally news. There are some funds people in bright clothes. It could help those mean people in cream uniform. So he failed the task because in any my like this and the wild can only trade with the conflict, and we decided to keep him for breeding or phone human might come here. But if were expecting to couple to have new cups very soon, a of the processes that are taking place at our facility from the moment to comfortable until they are released. How do i include in training, procedures, stimulation of social activities, etc. Data all happens under video cameras, surveillance. We see that behavioral corrections are required at a certain stage as to when we see that. And then im always afraid of humans. What we, what the, if its shy of physically weak maple just slowing, prefers to wait till and then they move from another little hands down to davy. Theres that scratch when we give an Animal Special hunting training sessions, training in a little to hon. Down the kinds of pray that easy to track down it and get close to that, which is that hard to wrestle down. Youve got to for example, they wont boys a powerful animal. Yes, los long with short legs and a short neck and well, wrestling donated data, for example. It takes a lot upon about 2 minutes only getting down and both can take up to 30 or 40 minutes late fee. And its the kind of thing is the tons, 2 year old tubs, into real beasts, vehicle ready to take home any mountain into call courses. So nikolai, we know that the leopards are safe here in this environment, but, but does this kind of give them a safe sense of security because when theyre released into the wild, will they be safe out there of this Large Company . Much. So its important to realize that the main danger to that pause into was, comes from us humans in any event. Its a fact that is not related to natural processes, but fucked up, for example, in the wild. And its perfectly normal that a predator can dive in another lounge while im even in its out the looking for something to novel, orange goes down, the animal dont always look like its normal and it can happen to any being with it. Let me know if i get what you meant. Related factors, however cool, are regulated, and our job here is on efforts aimed and developing the reflex we act of avoiding humans. Nicolais been incredibly fascinating in to learn what you do, but also to watch what these leopards do. Thank you very much. 6th period. The julia, thank you for bringing me here to this control center where you can really see all of the leopards out in the reserve. As ive heard these leopards take exams. So what kind of exams do they take . How can a leopard take a test . All the animals set from wild release are supposed to pass at has that allows us to be sure that the animal can live in the wilds. What at that exam is the attitude towards humans and to any lives logs that can be sorted by humans is more than this will be 2nd test is funds. Can we set up several funds and see how the lepers attached or pray god, a 100 down. So whether they are capable of hunting a while, that all get there and how feasible it is for them in the wild. So what happens if a leopard fails and exam as it ever been the case where you havent been able to send them out into the wilds that can use not, of course, we will not release an animal that can survive in a while. Such animals stay in our center forever and are used for reading in most cases. Yeah. For example, i have a guy here failed her test like because she was too curious for a few minutes to work with. So she stays here with us and one i understand the, this is i may ask, sitting here and looking at the different leopards. It seems to me that youll develop a relationship with them. So what are your emotions when you see them sent into the wild as are you sad . Are you happy . Is it a mix of both . I used to have to can. Yes. And then of course you yes, you know like family to us. We know them. Oh, we know theyre peculiarities, like for example, in the fish and they hate certain food. So we give him only done the food they like we do, we vaccinate them, room them, and look after their house. So theres, theyre like little kids to us going. They are released in the wild. Its always an intense moment with loss of emotions. The key 1st leave, theres a joy for having a cheap the result. There is a Major Program that greatly benefits the future of our countrys environment. The besides that we become so attached to the animals that its sad to realize that we wont be seeing them again soon. But if ever quarterly there whats been the reason you go to the julia, thank you very much for taking the time to show us. This is kind of cool that we get to hang out with leopards here in this environment. So appreciate that. Thanks for the you can argue preserving the bio diversity of our plan. It should be among our Top Priorities globally. And it is reassuring to know that the certificates this stunning scenery are Beautiful People doing this important work. It is a difficult task, but a rewarding one. All leading up to priceless and emotional moments like this one is returning to a proper home to the congress as mountains. The that plans are so important, thats what i says is im talking about the panel. No longer live the so im not fixing that amount of money was avoid the mistake dental to share was ive already if you need another, she had no, but i wanted to duplicate the apollo career center. 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