Transcripts For RT Interview 20240703

A similar to all the views of our 2 countries on the many issues of the bill. Bill agenda. Ah, there is a lot of things that we can do together. Our economy is our complementary. Uh, there is a very good attitude from indonesian people to russia as to what were doing also on the global arena. And of course, indonesia is the fantastic country and the so Many Russians go to bali. But there is so much more teen donasia than bali. And i hope that the russians will finally explore indonesia more and find out about indonesia more. You mentioned this already, of course indonesia and the soviet union had a history of very close cooperation in various theories to what extent to the more the indonesians remember appreciate the soviet assistance at what is being done to maintain this precious memory. Unfortunately, i would say that the young generation, the new need you are not aware that the people, the older generation, they know, and they still are very grateful. And they appreciated for all the systems of the soviet union render to indonesia. Most of the people know about our contribution to say regarding the territorial integrity of indonesian, the sixtys, the popcorn provinces. But sometimes ask young indonesians whether theyre where the the biggest statue in jakarta was billed by our country and they are not for of that one of the biggest hospitals in jakarta. The friendship hospital was also billed by country and for just actually means friendship between indonesia and the soviet union. Of course were trying, i mean then to see were trying to do a lot to revise this memories. For instance, in the near future, were planning and we are organizing a uh, soccer matches and deliverable car. And when we hold that, we can install it, come, im ready to black on this building so that people leaving the cart that would know that it was built by the soviet union. But its not enough. We can do much more. And of course, we need to make car people closer and our friendship stronger im, im absolutely confident that we can do that. You have been the russian investments, indonesia for more than 5 years in your opinion. What achievement, the 2 countries in terms of bilateral relations by electro cooperation should be specially prado, the oh, well, our relations have been on the rise, the for the less to 20 year, especially after president will be the media. I mean, go what just inquiring to who is the daughter of present, so comfortable visited moscow in 2003, and met with president clinton, us and then so we have since then we have been developing our corporation in different areas are uh, tre, turn over has been growing. Uh we have some doing projects again, its strong enough. Of course. If we can see there are doing population no more there 400000000. We can do much more, but unfortunately calls it put everything on stand by. So for 2 years it was a pause, i would say, but since then again, the pace has been growing. Weve been enjoying an active political dialogue between our 2 leaders. As you know, a person joke or we dont know visited moscow last year. Uh, our president has spoken on the phone several times or the minutes till 4 and the for years of rushes. 50 level visit visit jakarta, uh 4 times in the last 2 years. Uh, on bilateral visit. Also for International Meeting and for the the indonesia was hosting. We have very good cooperation in the international org. Is it any organization including your un . Because our views on what is happening in the world are quite similar or, or close. Uh, we have a, a uh, good uh, corporation in torres uh, weve seen an increase so especially off to qualities of course increase over towards to rivals to indonesia. From russia. We have cooperation indicate Educational Area right now. Around 800 indonesian students are studying in different uh, cities of, uh, russian. And they will all become were, are, uh boxes are oh, for russia to indonesia because uh, they all keep very good memories. So the times they spent in russian over there, russian friends, uh, somebody when have brought whites or uh, husbands. Um, thats also humanitarian context for you. So oh, nice nice. It was. And what about the business . What areas us specifically attractive for rushing indonesian interpreters actually uh, since the change of do a political situation, weve seen an increase of interest from russian businesses towards the indonesian and there are few Success Stories for as those uh, uh, one of the, of the biggest, uh, companies that provides uh, online tech c services. Uh, actually they are from russia. So yeah, looks in this younger. No. No, it stopped. Yeah, thats similar. Its maxime vaccine work seems so in 7 to see days in indonesia you can see that see maxine when maxime is the name of the founder its its a success story. But of course there are many areas i t. First of all, the Russian Companies working here uh, energy including nuclear image, course of emulation government has not taken yet the political decision to include Nuclear Facilities in their system. But its a matter of time because indonesia is developing the very speedy pace, more than 5 part percent growth o g d p per year. And of course that requires a lot of energy. So Nuclear Energy would be one of the options. And we hope that whenever indonesian government will be ready to go into the new care option, they will, uh, they will actually, uh, a deep as a childs to do about a little soft, amazing contact with the relevant indonesian or forward twos. Uh, especially uh, you know, the plans of indonesian government to transfer the capital to calling on them. And again, they will need a lot of energy there because they are also trying to plan it as the green seat is a smart city. So Nuclear Energy altis will be one on the option because in the sense its, its a green uh energy, especially calling on down being the only area in indonesia that theres not prone to us quakes, which is very important. Of course. Um your crowns building. Um infrastructure uh pharmaceuticals. So the, the, theres a lot of area and agriculture products next month. Were expecting and Business Mission from russia that will come with the not only with Food Products that we can explore to indonesia, but also technologies. And the indonesians side is very interested in technologies of course. So thats what we can provide. Thats what we can share, and we hope there will be even more interaction and coming back to human ties. Indonesia is predominant today in wisdom country. And there is a significant Muslim Community in russia as well. How close a do the followers of islam in indonesia and russia interact with each other, doesnt they . They always interaction between um, uh, eastland communities in russia and indonesia, indonesian a person is a member of the uh, group, uh uh, east lum rush, a substitute division, and he attends regularly the meetings of this group. He is one of the prominent members of the biggest, one of the biggest muslim organizations in indonesia and for us as he attended. Because on form last year and the celebrations of the new vers through 101100 anniversary of the issue. Im coming to a russia last year. We also had the visit by one of the move to some move to come done. Uh who is uh, the leader of one of the biggest um, some organizations in russia. So uh, this connection has been established and i can tell you people in indonesia follow closely what is happening uh, in russia. Uh, there is a big interest. How um, the slum, uh, and the muslims leaf. Uh, i think here we, we share a similar to familiarity with the indonesia because both washing donasia have this tradition of, uh, harmonically existence of people from different religions. Uh so uh, also one of the places that the indonesian tourists like to visit is the best of course. Uh, it ive, ive also had, ive heard news that even there was uh, some couples that i wanted to get married there. So um, yes, do. There is this, the connection and you know, people know for is those then when present twitching was integrating the cathedral most can moscow. He said that russia, in this sense, is a Muslim Country and this is very well known and indonesia, nice. A doing baset that you just mentioned is specific to political situation that we have right now in the world due to russia, ukraine conflict. And there was a server recently conducted by an analyst from a local indonesian company. And they found out that many indonesians expressed their support actually for russias special news, reparation in ukraine, and at the same time, site and negative approach to nato. And in general, to the west of narrative and western approach and understanding of the conflict. Did these discoveries surprise you . Well that is to uh uh, in the sense yes, when the conflicts start to, when are a special mil to approach has taught to. Of course, we were wondering how people react when you about the official reaction or the jakarta, which was not very pro russian to put it mildly. They call support cos sponsored the General Assembly a resolution which was very uh, the custom to come them. The russians in question and so that the reaction of the people was quite different. Uh, there is a trend which continues up to now in the social media when people say, or are in the support of russia. They say what i put in or just what i owe when even when they see the car of the messenger with the russian slides a quite what i in the streets. And the, the reason for that, i think there, uh several, several reasons for that. Uh, 1st of all, as we mentioned, the traditions of corporation and friendship that exist between our 2 countries, the memories of how our country supported indonesia. And its quite to gays, to colonialism and how we help to ensure their territorial integrity. Thats one thing. No. The other thing that is personal popularity or present for to strong liter, very popular. Uh then you saw mc factor. When people here i was, i mentioned that they follow what, what is happening, how much students leave in russia when they see on social media, the muslims in russia support the policy of president 14 its, its very important for them. Uh uh, another reason of course, is the, the end to american. And im to colonial feelings that people have here. Im still strong. Uh, they are still existent, i will say, because theres 2 people, a live who with those with their own eyes. What happened here . Forrest is 9045. 1949. When the dutch i try to get a new media back and when they killed hundreds of 1000 people here. Uh, also the policies n t a mostly man is lemme Public Policies of the United States. Thats also that, that gives this negative feeling to indonesian people. So this, this combination of a reset, well, and of course the work of them but so we know, i know im not claiming the best estimate reasons, but you do it well. I can tell you that since the beginning of the special mil to oppression i gave 100. 00 into use because there is a demand here to know our, our position. And what i say its, its, its broadcast. Its, its, its not, uh, you know, hidden somewhere or forbidden or, or whatever. So, um and, and p and, and we, we noticed the people are listening to the other were watching at you and, you know, sometimes industry, they say, oh investor, weve seen your on home t and were like what your say. And that is very important because the why those big boss, so unfortunately the housing commissioner, indonesia language, but still the message gets to because people are willing to listen. What do they like, particularly from the well, the, probably the explanation, you know, what was the cause of the conflict about it felt about the crane. Basically, ukraine is the victim and the situation and not the victim whole prussian aggression, the victim of western policies that use ukraine is an instrumental against, against russia. So uh and it, it rings a bell, you know, its, uh, this and 2 colonial uh, feelings that people, indonesia is to have. They make them understand, show it because of russia, ukraine conflict. Unfortunately, you said that you were as far but still we see attends in europe to cancel the russian culture. By banning works of arts and demolishing monuments. Have you ever had a chance to speak to your indonesian colleagues about that . What is the situation with the russian culture here . Do they condemn these actions back in europe or they are not to worry about them . Theyre not, theyre much aware of uh, uh, an example that is closer to to indonesian realities. You know, when the alterations taught to the european investors here or the, they started to ignore me, complete a making, you know, pretending they dont know me the, or even walking out of the room where i had. And actually its such, it was such a show of disrespect not to me, but to indonesian f plus for us. So there is an event organized by indonesians, a cultural event. And the messrs are invited, of course, they come and then, like, people are running called from the room and the indonesian friends are saying, what, whats that . And when im explaining why it happens, the one theyre in boxes theres, theres supposed to be diplomatic. Truth is a book, a police talk the so the, the reaction, no flow of you or its, its the, its, its, this is the, you know, nation is a totally different story. People here of one to have a chance to the get samples of russian culture. Unfortunately, uh, 1st because of coffee now, because of other problems, we dont have much possibilities to uh, organize concerts or tours, but still we have movies that we can show with the embassy. Were also trying to organize concert, so cetera, cetera. So uh, i love to have for is russian valley here because so many indonesians told me that they would love to see russian valley. I can tell you that here they are a couple or even more, a very, very good and very professional orchestra. They play russian news, they play to cost to they play it off money in of, of so the russian culture is not council to the here. Its appreciated. And 2 years ago for us, those we know youre a to the, the monument for you to go got in. And one of the Public Parking lot indonesia. Nice. And what was the indonesian reaction to this behavior of the european investors . And they were amazed, big older than outraged was because of course they could understand, you know, indonesians are people who are very polite and very nice. So this kind of on diplomatic behavior for them its, its something that shouldnt happen this. Yeah, its actually rude. Absolutely. Well, yeah, and i know its a, in some countries they were cases all the western and bassett is going to Foreign Ministry of the country. They were in and convincing them to cut the relations with the rush of to all or to problems we condemn them. Or if there is a visit, all russians integration not to take picture with them. Was there anything like this happened here or so, of course, especially when in the news you was sharing things you 20 all of what you mention happened here, but uh, indonesian partners didnt give in and we really appreciate their position that just went to shouldnt be a place to have this political bottles, its a place to resolve a well the economic financial problems that are numerous and they didnt give into this pressure and they managed to come out with the joint declaration and its in the big extend, thanks to indonesian diplomacy, our, our president has sent to control congratulate to a message to president of jacoby, due to the success of the indonesian presidency in g 20. And also the chairman ship of indonesian us young uh was quite successful. But so we see there are many attempts from the so called collective west to put many countries included in the news to include in india that were just saying, i do 20 that was held in new delhi. Those countries up with, between a rock and a hard place. I mean, what do you think about it and what your indonesian colleagues think about it . I mean, they matched, they just like resisted but it takes so much time and effort and energy. I mean, and you said they were not, they were not happy with the situation of course, and they opened the state of the, there was a lot of pressure from uh, western countries on, on many issues. And uh, yes, they were uh uh, visits to the minister of Foreign Affairs and 2 other uh, indonesian officials to prevent any contacts with the russian delegations. No photo who with the russian delegations, not, no photo. Would me also hold on during the events. Uh and of course, the indonesian partners are not happy with this situation, but they are trying to do a balance balancing act, of course, is quite understandable because of the trade to an over or investment from United States or European Union is, is quite considerable. So for uh, economy and economy, its quite important to keep uh, working relations with the, with this countries. But we feel that there, uh the, the stronger indonesia gets, the more irritated indonesians are barred. Bisnel colonial pressure, for instance. Now the European Union is putting pressure in indonesia to export pearl, nicole, which they, they demand the exports overall nickel because what they want to do, they want to process it here in the new nation and then sell a more expensive the process product to other countries theres so much pressure in indonesia not to do so just to export cheap, ro nicole and of course its, its, its a now clause elizabeth. And now they are saying it openly that they are games, bisnel, colonial practices. Both russia and indonesia have a long history of flights and terrorists. And what is the level of engine terrys cooperation between moscow in jakarta . Does this is one of the areas of cooperation that we havent. We have contacts between no or, or relevant agency. We also have this mechanism, old regular consultations between our Security Council and the coordinating ministry for political and Security Affairs of indonesia. On the regular basis of general popular should meet with the minister of my food in they discuss all the issues pertaining to security including terrorism, of course. So that is one know the important um forms to discuss this issues. Also we share a similar views on the International Organizations on the terrorism and we support each other so. So yes, there was interaction going on between like 2 con, its very important, of course because tourism cannot be eliminate to just to buy it for so one country its, its joint effort. Then bass of the i guess that in current turbulence do political situation. The role of brushing them. This is everywhere in the world, including indonesia, in building bridges or keeping bridges between the sides is crucial. 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