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Im action or can see and welcome back to going underground broadcasting over on the world from the u. A. In a week where both the usa and russian are conducted Nuclear War Drills in britain does have safety drilled. Perhaps one for british politicians in their bunkers, but as russian president vladimir persian 1071 major nations began war exercises, a northern scotland, presumably training against russia and china. Lets go straight to the us capital in, or were tied us marine cool. Connell and former pentagon official, hes now Senior Advisor Vans National Security Program at the us Weapons Company funded sense of a strategic and International Studies. Mackenzie. And thanks a lot and the show box. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And lets go straight. Actually to your latest piece, because uh, as the world or at least the United States reales to the news that youve deposed the speaker of the house of the people in the, in congress. Youve written a piece which i suppose it breaks, nations. People do joke about, but not so much on the bbc and cnn. Its called most a, the ukraine is spend to be invited states, a total shut down will be responsible. What do you mean . Most aid to ukraine is spent in the us national. What entity blinking says night play or people on the press department, podium or in the white house. They say this is for the people of you. Great. Well, the 2 are not exclusive. I wrote the piece to give a sense of the many different elements of what is referred to as a g o crane because a dual credit is really a misnomer. This is really aid as a result of the war and ukraine. Some of the aid goes ukraine, some of it helps ukraine. Some of it helps the United States and other allies. For example, a chunk of the package of a g o crane pays for us forces to deployed to eastern europe. United states begin those deployments right after the war began. As they were at about 20000. 00 troops, it down to about 10 there, there to reassure the europeans and improve a deterrence against the russians. But paying for that as part of this aid to ukraine. But that money, most of the most of it stays in the United States. Another example is weapons. When we send weapons with United States and weapons to ukraine, theres money to replace those weapons. That money goes mostly to us, arms manufacturers. So the weapons themselves go to ukraine, helps with the brand, and its a fight against russia, but the replacement uh goes to us manufacturers. So when you consider an agriculture you actually, i mean people can read it online, but you mentioned agriculture as well. Thats right. Uh, theres a piece of the humanitarian aid that helps countries who are as are suffering as a result of the disruption in the global of food trade, particularly a week coming out of ukraine and russia and the part of agriculture overseas programs in United States to help those countries with food, you see the, your in dangerous and the like julian hassan, she said its a laundromat and actually all these was the money, its recycled and actually comes back to the United States. Thats why your article may because of the shock, because its usually an argument made by the anti war left in the United States and the mag of republicans, of even they, some of them get donations like you have a situation where the Weapons Companies they want to keep this secret, i dont think so i, ive seen a number of commentators and even a members of Congress Making this argument. You know, theres nothing secret about it is, i know its just because the money is sent to me. I say it doesnt mean it doesnt help ukraine, for example, with the provision of weapons which you manage, cherry and assistance a, you know, the fact that it ends up in the United States, i think, should maybe make people little more comfortable with it. But in many as it doesnt mean that it helps you create any less, heres the interesting thing. Is the korean jump . Yeah, the white house spokesperson journalist was shouting out to him because biting it said the shut down of Us Government was over ukraine, and she refused to confirm that. That was true. Of course, lots of debates on circle Mainstream Media there about it, but your, your piece is very much trying to persuade people to continue support for zalinski on the basis that the shut down would be responsible. Is it your understanding that the bone of contention here is ukraine and the funding for ukraine . I mean, its hard to even quantify the the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been given to ukraine or given to the United States. 3 great. Or yeah. Um, your credit was one of the elements, the water element was about a Government Spending in general, the republic and right wanted to reduce all spending defense but also the spending and you know, the government as a whole, as a result of your the, you know, they were holding the, the government hostage of ukraine is a part of it. Its important to know to go that when the Community Resolution went to the floor of the house and passed. Overwhelmingly, if a bill supporting a g u crane went to the floor of the house, it would also be supported over one. When the, the problem is that there is a small group of conservative republicans who are determined to cut Government Spending and cut a jeep grand. And because of the narrow margin in the house, they have a lot of latitude. Were talking just you know, less than 2 ends worth of people in the house. Um, the short answer is yes, the vote was very marginal in florida against the speaker. I think there were 6 republicans who voted against the speaker with are the democrats now, if you put a of a bill on the floor about your premium for aid, they would probably get 80 to a 100 votes against it. But that means that there would still be 330. 00 ish votes for it. So it would pass overwhelmingly, except it is cnn poll, which is being running uh since february last year it shows a majority of americans in the United States oppose funding for the war by 55 percent. 55 percent of both majority claim to us has done enough. Majority of us have obviously said that a to it endangers us security. Its reflected in polls in europe as well, where its even bigger, 76 percent of both military financing, 74 percent of both financial support. I mean, theres a huge mismatches in there between the say that cnn poll and the congressman, the youre talking about who is old, as you say, will always guarantee more funding for the landscape. So there is a split between congress and i think the current pulling the support for the war has been quite strong up until recently. But i think that reflects maybe the broader view that congress has taken it. Its also not clear how deep that opposition is when you see it in congress, but again, its about 25 percent of the house. Okay, well ill get to the Nuclear Drills in a moment, but tell me about the significance of natos joint warrior exercise in this week of letting me a page and 71st, but they, they, theyre going on in the northern scotland. And obviously in the shadow as was of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians having been killed in the past 12 months or so. So i think its important. Keep in mind that nato has drills going on all the time. That, you know, its not that this one is particularly focused on the current conflict was probably planned initially years ago. But it is a symbol in an indication about natos continuing readiness. Continuing to focus on russia and, you know, may be somewhat on trying to also, nato is a military alliance. And this is a reminder that the tre eliza is conduct exercises in order to and the institutions and to be ready just complex to come. But why are they uh, losing, i mean, all these billions at all is where the weapons are being sent. And clearly, you know, no, no progress seems to be made in his calendar offensive. Obviously, has some feet. St. Brushes gain more ground, actually. And oh, its just being sent to you. Great. And to be destroyed by the russians. So what if they were always practicing war games . Why are they failing . And of course, i could say that in the context of the fact that the uh, the United States has been defeated in war after war. Of course, after vietnam. Way, i understand you still have i did desert storm. Also, id say the United States is quite successful and that i think that the conventional wisdom on the United States is that were very, very good and conventional conflicts. Lights doesnt storm. Were not very good at insurgencies, as we saw in the latter part of iraq. And afghanistan, but this is conventionally new drain. Is this uh no. Ukraine is a different situation because its the ukrainians who are fighting. You know, that they need an exercise and thats for nato troops and they keep nato ready. The ukraine, of course, is not a member of nato. We are supplying them with weapons and training. But you know, they have a long way to go and they have to be fair to them. Theyve greatly expanded their armed forces. Theyve taken a lot of casualties. But you know, the, they, you know, they need to have a continuous flow of weapons and training if theyre going to continue resistance. And thats true of every thats going to make a lot of money every. I mean, terry, do they even have an munition to practice with along this a nato exercise today . Because theres report, i mean, weve heard before, comments from people. We actually had trucks, many of them in, from a spinning report on their show telling us about, um, not only the ineffectiveness of some weapons but also the loss of ammunition. We know here from the war Source Security for room. The admiral role bower. Uh, and they told me that the Committee Says the bottom of the barrel is now visible. Basically, nature doesnt have any munition. How did we get to that situation . A, is it true . And uh, are they just practicing with the, whats a domain . I mean, issues on the nato exercise. Um, i wouldnt say that nato is, i would have the immunization that the Little Country still have some stuff. Thats nice. No, but this is the scene natos most senior military official. I have no real bo, and im sure you know of him. I use a same thing in the United States, but when, when they say were at the bottom a barrel, what, what they mean at least the United States is that we were at the bottom of what we can give to the ukrainians. To give you an example of, of general initials weve given above 40 percent of our javelin inventory to ukraine, the pentagon. So we looked at the given anymore because we would need to add 4 other possible conflicts, for example, in korea. So when you hear people say were out of javelin, were not out of javelins, were either java is that we can give to ukraine without accepting risk. That the pentagon believes is unacceptable. How would they help in korea javelin miss . I was given that i know from the trump, from him was why you rushed if young and i or these to meet with kim jong, who in so quickly was when he heard the, as every president has do that, the north koreans can destroy los angeles. In 33 minutes, im showing javelin miss as a kind of useless and so on. The, on the north koreans have a very large military, very large of ground for us. And if there were a, an extended conflict on the peninsula, javelins would be very helpful, but the creeds also have a lot of change. Now the very old thing, when they just hit the United States, see it is essential if the and the us con, protect themselves from the, you know, the United States has a Missile Defense system that is, in fact designed to shoot down north korean missiles. You know, its never been tested against a real missile, but there are defense as their, their ability to strike the continental United States is still extremely limited. And if they did that, of course the United States has overwhelming fire power it could bring to bear, which ive done a lot of stop you the more from the Senior Advisor of the international Security Program, with you as honest Company Funded sense of a strategic and International Studies after the spring, the the the the welcome back to going on the ground. Im still here it was were tied kind of all of my accounts in Senior Advisor, the international Security Program at the center for strategic and International Studies. Kind of, we were just talking about actually north, north korea. You know, theres a lot of control over the, over those, the Defense Systems that you have in the United States. Theyre infamous the secret and by and they can only shoot down at most 3. Isnt it . 3 words in the north koreans can shoot for, i dont know. Why is it though, that the United States is holding a imagine c drill. Thats a nuclear drill. This week just now is off to russia. Hell, theyre a nationwide drill. That means in your country and re phone every television set, every radio image feel um, uh uh, in this case uh that its a rehearsal sort of thing is not uncommon in the United States. They test the nuclear broadcast system. They have done that dramatically over many, many years. Sounds like the 1950s. Okay. And ill show you whens the last time for uh, for the uh, broadcast system and i designate test it every year. Its tested, you know, quite frequently United States takes these precautions seriously. Of the importance of being able to communicate and disaster. I think i read also points out that these capabilities are not limited to nuclear wars and nuclear incidents. You know, they can be used in natural disasters also. Yeah. They famously didnt work. And now we of course, were given the fact then the, the munition is running low on the bottom of the barrel, according to nato. What happens if um, what happens if the, the stop to ukraine . Does that mean . There really will be a negotiating table a time, and people can actually start to negotiate some kind of piece, rather than fueling the conflict a lot depends on how much a gets to ukraine of the United States. Cut off all a, do you create in all of the elements of that aid . It would be hard for ukraine to continue, is resistance. The europeans in Global Community contributed a lot. Its probably a not enough to keep the cranium armed forces in the field. They would be forced to negotiate some sort of in place ceasefire, and that would give, put me at least a partial victory controls about 18 percent of ukraine. And the settlement will allow him to keep that so. So its good if they run out of weapons because they will be peace dogs and theyll be a season and people, few people who can be killed. Ill get my hand and then put in will have a partial victor in, you know, if youre comfortable with keeping food and power with a partial victory, then i think thats a when. If youre on comfortable with that, then thats the lose. So you, you said put it in in power. I do that is what about keeping page in in bowers . Its all to do is resumed change in rush, or is this cool . Well, if pulling wins the war, if theres a negotiated a cease fire on the current live, put, and well claim that thats a victory, and that will ensure that he stays in power movies, particularly very, very popular anyways, me, but i mean, i, thats certainly not one of the names, but funnily enough, this week, also the state Department Released their integrated country strategy. I think police, it goes and it was leaked wrongly, but actually it was up there on the website. Uh, what about the fact that the most of the state Department Paper is talking about the importance of us . I mean visit to take one line. They basically say the whole of ukraine is corrupt, so i dont know where all the money is ending up. It seems to be the implication and the management objective of the usa department, recruit, retain, drain and integrate a premier team to advance u. S. Policy goals. So, they issue a paper which basically says the ukraine must be, is completely corrupt. It needs to be reformed urgently, because the political control is wielded by only galks and theres a whole system of corruption, an empty democratic a, its an anti democracy there. So thats the, thats from the state department. Is this really about um, democracy at all . I mean, i know you mentioned regime change in russia. Is this really a war from start to finish about, about russia . Nothing to do with ukraine . Oh, truly about both of russia had not invaded ukraine would not be having these discussions in russia and they did ukraine uninvited. It was a to aggression on their part and just say on provoked on us media, do you agree with that . It was unprovoked, or there was something about the rush or argues that the existence of ukraine as an independent country is a provocation, though it never, you know, that youre not sure the means good cards ratified of the un security council. And its the violation of that, that russia claims is. That is the reason for it. You said in 2019 nato expansion weakens nato. Quite a, quite a statement. What, what did you mean by that . And is nato today at its weakest in the history . Argue that nato is that its, we just, but i, i do a worry that expanding nato further east towards adding countries that are not fully stable would undermine natos confusion. Anyone listening to you when you wrote that piece . Because clearly the people in the state department, the policy thing, thanks winning for your thank day. Did anyone listen to you when you said that . Because ive never seen a to expansion like it in terms of new members recently. And the 1st thing in the hi. So it goes about the fact that some of our guys now led by someone who clearly does not agree with the of our tony blinking goals. Well, i wish i could say the people that listen to me, but they clearly have not you know, were talking about bringing in the, you know, a variety of countries. You know, we brought in a number of bulk and countries. Um, you know, i, i dont think that stream wise, you know, do you think they listen to you as you, theres tremendous momentum to expand nato. You know, many countries regard nato as, as something you know, like the e u. I mean, a good thing to belong to and, you know, has some benefits and dont regard it as a security alliance. You know, you know, the down play that part, play up the political part. So unfortunately, i think that theyre just a lot of political momentum towards expansion. You see that in the discussions about ukraine also, of course that to apply them. We have food and has been saying since 2014 and the my then to arguably other people. What listing do what you were saying because all the leading president ial contenders for next years election appear to understand that there are dangers with this unalloyed expansion . Well, what do you think of the fact that the leading opposition figure in your country, donald trump . Once immediate negotiations because r f k junior much more popular than bite and hes running cornell west. They all want the war to end the aid to ukraine, to stop and reevaluation of uh, the United States as role in nato. And i was more full was about the American People who suffer so much of it since the economic crisis of 20 o 8. I think that there are also a number of candidates who strongly support the war. You can see nikki haley give a hand you know the falls about nikki haley. And ill be here just then probably number 2. After donald trump, Donald Trumps all over the place. You know, when hes out of power, he says that he, a lender to lend a war in a day. You know, for donald trump, its all about donald trump. To now, i mean, given that you observe these issues and as i say, said there with dangers with nato expansion. Why do you think russia has not level key of, i mean the russian, the think tanks and analysts will say that the initial stages on february 22nd last year with me in the a response to the increased shelling of dont bass and east and ukraine. You clearly understand that the russians have the power to level and give in an hour. Why do they not do this . And why do american them . Lets continue just say, well, were going to pull more weapons and we can win this war and so on. When, as we know, the more the, the United States in western europe or in the more of the russians will just use to destroy all that Machinery Equipment in personnel and, and, and sons and brothers and fathers of the ukraine. And knowing that they can always with, i mean, you dont seriously think about youre going to lose. Oh gosh it. And certainly those have based as well. You can see that they are being badly traded on the battlefield. Theyre taking casualties. Probably 2. 00 to 1. 00 compared to the ukranian, 2. 00 to 1. 00. Where is this figure coming from . I mean, you said theyre running out of ammunition unless theyre desperately in need of ammunition. I mean what . I, i dont understand when you are minute treatment and youre a pentagon official, youre comfortable, you know, the rest of it could just, if they decided to just go for it rather than this slow. So it means of course, people like that get to started this house, speakership or destruction in this week, said d. Dollarization was the fear he was concerned with when he put the motion in the house to one seat. The speaker does no one in the us security firmament, understand that the United States dollar is under attack and the United States has to do something to defend it. And the animal is arguments for ukraine. They are destroying the use of the Federal Reserve and the dollar around the world as a come back to the dollar in a minute. But through the answer this question about being able to level cheve in an hour. The only way they could do that is with nuclear weapons. And of course, that would be an escalation that would have doesnt have to be new theory can be a, a safe and conventional weapons. As you know. Now the, these, the russians have run out of conventional weapons theyve, theyve tried to level chief, what youve seen is the maximum they can do. Their aerial attacks have become further and further apart. They become weaker and weaker because they just dont have that many areas. This intelligence information coming from that youre getting because everywhere in the global south, theyre getting different types of information clearly engaging. Theyre getting really very different information and they certainly must have watch for his extra saving retents. And this week saying that ukraine is really about the one china, where are you getting this information . They run out of conventional weapons that losing it to, to one of their with some excellent works by c s i s, but also some other think tanks, for example, received in the u. K. Has done some great analysis on the Cruise Missiles and the Cruise Missile inventories that the, the russians have. And these are people who track the missiles, want you know, individually and keep the account up. So i think that their analysis is pretty dependable way way. Well, what about the motive . What about the motive of ruthie . I like to in my 6 in england and your center for strategic and International Studies. With your, your finance by arms companies. Its in the interest of your institute and a ruthie both institutes. But of course got us into so many wars in libby air and iraq and afghanistan and syria lost by the United States. Argued weight is in the interest to prolong the conflict and send more more weapons to be destroyed because it makes more money for those ins. For the donors who then supply your salary, or you need to look at the data that they provide the data for any other organizations that make an argument, this space. I think lucy has shown that their data is objective as has c s i s, and i would recommend that people look at that data and make their judgments about whether its reliable, retired kind of. Thank you so much. Happy to join you. And thats it for the show. It will be back on monday with one of the candidates running against joe. By the next is us elections and a battalion bodies, jacob horn burger, who like all the candidates are f k, junior and cornell. West would end on shipments to the landscape until then keep in touch, my role i social media is nonsense is in your country and had to a channel going underground tv on ramble. Dont com to what you handled episodes of going undergrad. See monday the are breaking news this our the Palestinian Health ministry at night says 198000 are killed. More than 1600 injured during is really our rates on the region of israels targets come to patients. Benjamin netanyahu declares israel is in a state of war after him. Us earlier released the major attack on that you a state according to the countries helped ministry at least 40 is released from being killed this summer. That International Reactions to the events very greatly with moscow. Advocating for a diplomatic resolution, while middle eastern and western views diverge wildly, well be going into some of those. And in other news today, nate, so hows it side sets on what it referred